Emergency 'Stopping' Pheu Thai From Helping Reds In Jail

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Emergency 'stopping' Pheu Thai from helping reds in jail

By Chularat Saengpassa

The Nation

Pheu Thai Party spokesman Prompong Nopparit said yesterday that the emergency decree was hindering the party's efforts to help detained red shirts. At present, more than 100 red shirts are in jail.

"The state of emergency makes it hard for us to contact those who need help," he said.

Prompong was speaking after the National Human Rights Commission (NHRC) disclosed that many red shirts still remained behind bars because they could not find lawyers or enough money for bail.

"The Corrections Department has not restricted any access to legal services, but these red shirts don't know how to find a lawyer for themselves, and no redshirt lawyer has shown up to help them either," NHRC commissioner Niran Pitakwatchara said.

According to documents on the AprilMay crackdowns handed out by the People's Information Centre in midJuly, 45 red shirts are locked up in Ubon Ratchathani, 10 in Khon Kaen, 12 in Maha Sarakham, 23 in Mukdahan and 54 in Udon Thani for their alleged role in the redshirt rallies.

Apart from those listed in the documents, there are many red shirts under detention in other provinces.

So far, the court has only approved bail requests for those charged with taking part in illegal gatherings. Those accused of arson or terrorism are not eligible for temporary release.

However, Niran said he believes most of the red shirts in jail were not involved in arson or any attack, and were only arrested because they were present at the scene.

"They are just poor people fighting for others like them and their ideology," he said.

Niran is planning to consult legal agencies on how best to help the red shirts in detention. "We hope to help them secure bail, because they don't intend to flee anyway," he said, adding that his team was also in contact with the parents of a 16yearold who was arrested for unfurling a banner.

"The parents don't want to see their son undergoing a mental rehabilitation programme. They are afraid it will make their son's record look bad. We will see how we can help," Niran said.

The youngster has been ordered to attend a rehabilitation programme on August 16 and 17. However, the boy insists he has no mental problems.

"There's no need for me to undergo the programme because I am neither crazed nor insane. I am willing to cooperate if that's the normal procedure, but I'm worried the records will make me look bad," the boy said.

When asked about what is being done about the detainees, Prompong said his party had every intention to help.

"Contact us so we can start the bail process," he said, adding that all Pheu Thai MPs had already been told to reach out to the red shirts in detention.

Prompong said he expected those out on bail to keep in touch with his party. "There's no need to go into hiding or anything," he said.

-- The Nation 2010-08-06

[siampolee]

Of course if we cast our minds back we can recall how benevolent and compassionate Thaksin was with his opponents and detractors .

Indeed a model of a compassionate caring politician as Tak Bai , the war on Drugs, missing Muslim Lawyers so vividly demonstrated that care and compassion and sympathetic frame of mind so beloved by Thaksin and his cronies.

Thaksins supporters parking gas tankers near residential buildings in an earlier protest, the arson attacks the murder by the Red Shirts of an old man in Chang Mai who disagreed with Thaksins agenda,the incitement to riot, loot, kill by the red Shirts was indeed a benevolent utterance. The multitude of caring loving actions and the accompanying rhetoric is indeed worthy of a chapter in Thai history as a lesson to us all concerning Thaksin and his acolytes.

Ah, indeed the flow of the milk of human kindness and compassion that comes from the udders of the Thaksin and his Red Shirt supporter is indeed a heady brew.

[march]

many red shirts still remained behind bars because they could not find lawyers or enough money for bail.

You wouldn't think that was possible what with:

Thaksin Shinawatra has some 300 to 400 billion baht worth of assets.

He is believed to be generating 4 to 5 billion baht in profits a year, and has in total 400 billion baht worth of total wealth.

(Exchange rate of 32.415 on June 30, 2010)

Thaksin Shinawatra - US$12.4 Billion

Richer than Thailand's Top 3 Richest COMBINED

Forbes.com

Special Report - Thailand's Richest

09.23.2009, 07:00 PM EDT

1 Chaleo Yoovidhya - US$4.0 Billion

2 Dhanin Chearavanont - US$3.0 Billion

3 Chirathivat family - US$2.9 Billion

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2009/85/thailands-richest-09_Thailands-Richest_Rank.html

But at least they know where they stand with the "Great Liberator of the Poor", the "Man of the People", the "Defender of the Downtrodden" etc, etc...

He really does carry a grudge against those that failed to return him to his exalted former position.

Hopefully, this action might open their eyes.

Edited August 6, 2010 by march

[SamritT]

Leave them in jail. No help must be provided to terrorists.

[Bagwan]

Very eloquently laid out by member March, but one of the problems is that the rank and file have difficulty imagining that there could ever be that amount of money. I had problems explaining to friends in my village that Thaksin had collected 73 billion from the sale of AIS and that investing at 10% p.a. generated an income of 20 million per day - more than they would earn in their lifetimes, even if they lived to be 100. 

BTW if the rate of return on capital is a little more than 1% p.a. then Thaksin needs to change his financial advisors. I herewith offer my services - for a generous considertion of course.

[animatic]

Oh boo hoo hooo ooo PT got them into this mess,

and now PT whines loudly when they can't get them out as fast as they got them in.

"The parents don't want to see their son undergoing a mental rehabilitation programme. They are afraid it will make their son's record look bad. We will see how we can help," Niran said.

The youngster has been ordered to attend a rehabilitation programme on August 16 and 17. However, the boy insists he has no mental problems.

"There's no need for me to undergo the programme because I am neither crazed nor insane. I am willing to cooperate if that's the normal procedure, but I'm worried the records will make me look bad," the boy said.

Righty O won't look as bad as being arrested and charged

for arson or rioting or terrorism with his Red Buddies.

What an amazing priority list this family has.

Rehabilitation from red brainwashing, is worse than

crimes committed against the whole country, like helping burn Bangkok.

Edited August 6, 2010 by animatic

[mazeltov]

Oh boo hoo hooo ooo PT got them into this mess,

and now PT whines loudly when they can't get them out as fast as they got them in.

"The parents don't want to see their son undergoing a mental rehabilitation programme. They are afraid it will make their son's record look bad. We will see how we can help," Niran said.

The youngster has been ordered to attend a rehabilitation programme on August 16 and 17. However, the boy insists he has no mental problems.

"There's no need for me to undergo the programme because I am neither crazed nor insane. I am willing to cooperate if that's the normal procedure, but I'm worried the records will make me look bad," the boy said.

Righty O won't look as bad as being arrested and charged

for arson or rioting or terrorism with his Red Buddies.

What an amazing priority list this family has.

Rehabilitation from red brainwashing, is worse than

crimes committed against the whole country, like helping burn Bangkok.

That is very probably the boy in Chiang Rai holding up a banner saying " I saw dead people at Ratchaprasong"

I don't think that he needs a 'mental rehabilitation programme'.

And such a programme is questionable. only hard core right wing extremist, wannabe thought-policemen and dictatorship lover boys, anti democratic hillbilly redneck nazis and other authoritarian enemies of an open society would think of such programme as useful.

[jayjay0]

Just another reason to keep the emergency going.

Maybe spread it to other provinces.

I can't believe I am going to say this.

BUT here goes. I am sure that there are a lot of red shirt supporters who would like to see these terrorists tried convicted and sentenced. I believe that many of them have seen the ere of there ways and want nothing to do with violence and civil disobedience.

Look at the numbers close to 100,000 to protest. Less than 5,000 for violence and civil disobedience. That alone should tell the red shirt leader something.

I was going to edit it and say leaders not leader B)but then I realized that would be a misleading statement.

[jayjay0]

Oh boo hoo hooo ooo PT got them into this mess,

and now PT whines loudly when they can't get them out as fast as they got them in.

"The parents don't want to see their son undergoing a mental rehabilitation programme. They are afraid it will make their son's record look bad. We will see how we can help," Niran said.

The youngster has been ordered to attend a rehabilitation programme on August 16 and 17. However, the boy insists he has no mental problems.

"There's no need for me to undergo the programme because I am neither crazed nor insane. I am willing to cooperate if that's the normal procedure, but I'm worried the records will make me look bad," the boy said.

Righty O won't look as bad as being arrested and charged

for arson or rioting or terrorism with his Red Buddies.

What an amazing priority list this family has.

Rehabilitation from red brainwashing, is worse than

crimes committed against the whole country, like helping burn Bangkok.

That is very probably the boy in Chiang Rai holding up a banner saying " I saw dead people at Ratchaprasong"

I don't think that he needs a 'mental rehabilitation programme'.

And such a programme is questionable. only hard core right wing extremist, wannabe thought-policemen and dictatorship lover boys, anti democratic hillbilly redneck nazis and other authoritarian enemies of an open society would think of such programme as useful.

What are you smoking a two day program such as this would not even be considered a fair start for the people you mentioned much less useful they need a lot more time. They are certainly long term cases. We live in a fortunate time in Thai hystory. We have Abhist in control can you imagine what would happen if Thaksin and his red shirt following were in control. Bang Bang no more problem

For the boy it is adequate.

[mazeltov]

What are you smoking a two day program such as this would not even be considered a fair start for the people you mentioned much less useful they need a lot more time. They are certainly long term cases. We live in a fortunate time in Thai hystory. We have Abhist in control can you imagine what would happen if Thaksin and his red shirt following were in control. Bang Bang no more problem

For the boy it is adequate.

of course such 'treatments' would not 'heal' the people i mentioned. but what i said was that these idiots, when in charge and power, are thinking such programmes were good and adequate to deal with the others.

How it would have been under Thaksin ... well, he didn't had a problem with calling new elections when the street protest by the PAD started in Bangkok. There is the main difference to Abhisit. To stay in power Abhisit don't use elections but emergency decree and special laws to suppress and crack down the opposition and dissidents.

Edited August 6, 2010 by mazeltov

[landofthefree]

Of course if we cast our minds back we can recall how benevolent and compassionate Thaksin was with his opponents and detractors .

Indeed a model of a compassionate caring politician as Tak Bai , the war on Drugs, missing Muslim Lawyers so vividly demonstrated that care and compassion and sympathetic frame of mind so beloved by Thaksin and his cronies.

Thaksins supporters parking gas tankers near residential buildings in an earlier protest, the arson attacks the murder by the Red Shirts of an old man in Chang Mai who disagreed with Thaksins agenda,the incitement to riot, loot, kill by the red Shirts was indeed a benevolent utterance. The multitude of caring loving actions and the accompanying rhetoric is indeed worthy of a chapter in Thai history as a lesson to us all concerning Thaksin and his acolytes.

Ah, indeed the flow of the milk of human kindness and compassion that comes from the udders of the Thaksin and his Red Shirt supporter is indeed a heady brew.

When I read something like this I cannot see any balance in it why don't you also talk about all the lives he has saved by getting rid of drug dealers. Heroin was readily available in Thailand before Thaksins war on drugs now its almost non existant. Free hospitals didn't exist before Thaksin how many lives has his 30baht treatment scheme saved.? I am not a supporter of Thaksin but I hate reading biased propoganda as it smaks of unintelligence.

[rubl]

What are you smoking a two day program such as this would not even be considered a fair start for the people you mentioned much less useful they need a lot more time. They are certainly long term cases. We live in a fortunate time in Thai hystory. We have Abhist in control can you imagine what would happen if Thaksin and his red shirt following were in control. Bang Bang no more problem

For the boy it is adequate.

of course such 'treatments' would not 'heal' the people i mentioned. but what i said was that these idiots, when in charge and power, are thinking such programmes were good and adequate to deal with the others.

How it would have been under Thaksin ... well, he didn't had a problem with calling new elections when the street protest by the PAD started in Bangkok. There is the main difference to Abhisit. To stay in power Abhisit don't use elections but emergency decree and special laws to suppress and crack down the opposition and dissidents.

Rehabilitation programs are used in many countries. Mostly tuned to specific aspects. Both your and Jayjay0's comments are too vague to have much meaning.

As for your last sentence on PM Abhisit, that's your personal opinion which I do not share.

[TAWP]

What are you smoking a two day program such as this would not even be considered a fair start for the people you mentioned much less useful they need a lot more time. They are certainly long term cases. We live in a fortunate time in Thai hystory. We have Abhist in control can you imagine what would happen if Thaksin and his red shirt following were in control. Bang Bang no more problem

For the boy it is adequate.

of course such 'treatments' would not 'heal' the people i mentioned. but what i said was that these idiots, when in charge and power, are thinking such programmes were good and adequate to deal with the others.

How it would have been under Thaksin ... well, he didn't had a problem with calling new elections when the street protest by the PAD started in Bangkok. There is the main difference to Abhisit. To stay in power Abhisit don't use elections but emergency decree and special laws to suppress and crack down the opposition and dissidents.

Thaksin didn't call elections due to PADs protest per se but to make sure disgruntled (bought) MPs within his party didn't defect and create a new party, as the 90 day rule and calling an election just 60 days into the future made it impossible for any defectors to stand for election if they choose that route...

Edited August 6, 2010 by TAWP

[mazeltov]

@rubl

you mean countries like north korea?

many countries, at least the ones that are called democracies, are not using emergency laws nor send their youth, when dissent to the doctrine of the ruling party, to a 'mental rehabilitation programme'.

Edited August 6, 2010 by mazeltov

[stevenl]

I don't see any connection between the emergency decree and not being able to help people. Also in the article there is no connection at all visible, except for the claim by Prompong Nopparit.

[march]

Heroin was readily available in Thailand before Thaksins war on drugs now its almost non existant.

Your assessment on heroin availability is based on what?

[rubl]

@rubl

you mean countries like north korea?

many countries, at least the ones that are called democracies, are not using emergency laws nor send their youth, when dissent to the doctrine of the ruling party, to a 'mental rehabilitation programme'.

The parents of the 16yr old boy mentioned 'mental rehab. prog.' others just 'rehab prog.' If you can provide details on the specific two-day program the boy has to go, I may withdraw my remark.

[mazeltov]

I don't see any connection between the emergency decree and not being able to help people. Also in the article there is no connection at all visible, except for the claim by Prompong Nopparit.

the emergency decree makes arbitrary detention possible. without these emergency laws many of these people would not be in jail and could not kept in jail.

[rubl]

I don't see any connection between the emergency decree and not being able to help people. Also in the article there is no connection at all visible, except for the claim by Prompong Nopparit.

the emergency decree makes arbitrary detention possible. without these emergency laws many of these people would not be in jail and could not kept in jail.

You answer a question not asked, IMHO.

[rubl]

Heroin was readily available in Thailand before Thaksins war on drugs now its almost non existant.

Your assessment on heroin availability is based on what?

Interesting. Since my (only) vice is BEER, I never encounter drugs in any form. From that point of view drugs have never existed in this land of smiles.

[mazeltov]

@rubl

you mean countries like north korea?

many countries, at least the ones that are called democracies, are not using emergency laws nor send their youth, when dissent to the doctrine of the ruling party, to a 'mental rehabilitation programme'.

The parents of the 16yr old boy mentioned 'mental rehab. prog.' others just 'rehab prog.' If you can provide details on the specific two-day program the boy has to go, I may withdraw my remark.

If someone holding up a banner with the words 'I saw dead people' he shouldn't be subjected to any treatment or measures of the authorities at all.

It is his civil right to do so.

[rubl]

@rubl

you mean countries like north korea?

many countries, at least the ones that are called democracies, are not using emergency laws nor send their youth, when dissent to the doctrine of the ruling party, to a 'mental rehabilitation programme'.

The parents of the 16yr old boy mentioned 'mental rehab. prog.' others just 'rehab prog.' If you can provide details on the specific two-day program the boy has to go, I may withdraw my remark.

If someone holding up a banner with the words 'I saw dead people' he shouldn't be subjected to any treatment or measures of the authorities at all.

It is his civil right to do so.

Under an E.D. civil rights are close to suspended, although anything happening will be recorded. I don't know the precise circumstances under which the boy was apprehended, neither do you, methinks. Anyway, no answer on what program, my remark still stands.

[mazeltov]

^^

nazis suspend civil rights. democrats don't.

my remark is still valid too, defend that violation of basic civil rights and you are nothing more than some right winger, anti-democrat, authoritarian dictatorship lover and an enemy of an open society.

[march]

Heroin was readily available in Thailand before Thaksins war on drugs now its almost non existant.

Your assessment on heroin availability is based on what?

Interesting. Since my (only) vice is BEER, I never encounter drugs in any form. From that point of view drugs have never existed in this land of smiles.

I don't know either, but there never seems to be a shortage of experience that posters here have and are willing to share with others.

Edited August 6, 2010 by march

[TAWP]

^^

nazis suspend civil rights. democrats don't.

my remark is still valid too, defend that violation of basic civil rights and you are nothing more than some right winger, anti-democrat, authoritarian dictatorship lover and an enemy of an open society.

That is all you can bring to the thread, labels?

[rubl]

^^

nazis suspend civil rights. democrats don't.

my remark is still valid too, defend that violation of basic civil rights and you are nothing more than some right winger, anti-democrat, authoritarian dictatorship lover and an enemy of an open society.

Thank you for your well-phrased opinion. Your remark had less to do with my post. I said I don't know the specific circumstances and I don't think you do. nowhere in my post I defend violation of basic civil rights, that's your interpretation. In line with this I might call you a warmongerer for inciting people to stand up against verbal bullies like you.

End-of-discussion, we will not agree (again).

[landofthefree]

Heroin was readily available in Thailand before Thaksins war on drugs now its almost non existant.

Your assessment on heroin availability is based on what?

My assesment is based on what people that were once heroin users have told me which is that after the war on drugs they now would have to leave the country if they wanted to buy heroin. Indeed that has been their main reason for coming off heroin and using methodone (legally) as part of their rehab.

[march]

Heroin was readily available in Thailand before Thaksins war on drugs now its almost non existant.

Your assessment on heroin availability is based on what?

My assesment is based on what people that were once heroin users have told me which is that after the war on drugs they now would have to leave the country if they wanted to buy heroin. Indeed that has been their main reason for coming off heroin and using methodone (legally) as part of their rehab.

How many of your friends or associates are heroin users?

I'm just wondering because there are thousands spread out over the length and breadth of this country and wonder if their experiences reflect the actual level of availability on a national scale.

[indyuk]

Of course if we cast our minds back we can recall how benevolent and compassionate Thaksin was with his opponents and detractors .

Indeed a model of a compassionate caring politician as Tak Bai , the war on Drugs, missing Muslim Lawyers so vividly demonstrated that care and compassion and sympathetic frame of mind so beloved by Thaksin and his cronies.

Thaksin supporters parking gas tankers near residential buildings in an earlier protest, the arson attacks the murder by the Red Shirts of an old man in Chang Mai who disagreed with Thaksins agenda,the incitement to riot, loot, kill by the red Shirts was indeed a benevolent utterance. The multitude of caring loving actions and the accompanying rhetoric is indeed worthy of a chapter in Thai history as a lesson to us all concerning Thaksin and his acolytes.

Ah, indeed the flow of the milk of human kindness and compassion that comes from the udders of the Thaksin and his Red Shirt supporter is indeed a heady brew.

There you go again.Yellow shirt no doubt. It looks like you need the rehab program ourself.. You do not understand anything. The issue is has nothing to do with Thaksin. It has to do with the inhumanity of the so called yellow shirts and the elitists that they kiss up to.

These people (the detained Red Shirts) have not been formally charged of any crime. They therefore have not been tried for anything. Most did no more than give their names in exchange for a bus ride home after spending weeks sitting in protest in search of their rights. You guys just oppress them so that you can enjoy cheap food and cheap labor.

And in respect to the yellow shirt kind. They (the yellow shirts) accept no responsibility for their hooligan behavior and at times their murderous intent. (Taking Government House, Throwing grenades and occupying the airport). The yellow shirts never get detained and are seldom prosecuted. You call the Red Shirts Terrorists, what do you imagine taking over Thailand's most prestigious and economically important asset make you and yours.

Yellow and the Red Shirts are both anti establishment and destructive of the quality of life in Thailand. Quite simply put both side are a blight on Thai society. What the situation needs is and amnesty to which all leaders of both side sign up too in agreement to promising not to engage in anti social behavior and not to do anything to damage Thailand in the future.

A little education will help you to understand the privilege to which you were beneficially endowed by being born in Thailand.

[asiawatcher]

"Prompong was speaking after the National Human Rights Commission (NHRC) disclosed that many red shirts still remained behind bars because they could not find lawyers or enough money for bail."

"The Corrections Department has not restricted any access to legal services, but these red shirts don't know how to find a lawyer for themselves, and no redshirt lawyer has shown up to help them either," NHRC commissioner Niran Pitakwatchara said.

Where does Prompong get off working with the NHRC after the atrocities performed by his mob? Two faced opportunist!

And has already stated there is no limitation ot legal access - just go see the red mentor Thakky and he will pay up ...