I'm sure it is a little more conservative over here then in the u.s

I agree with bonobo about the large number of non-bar gals working in Pattaya. I met many that would only go out with a farang if there was someone else along... even if it was just a friend. They don't want to be mistaken with the bar girls for hire. I met a very pretty, unmarried lady at the time share hotel I often stay at. She wouldn't go out with me unless we met at a separate location where friends or other staff wouldn't recognize her. With the number of hotels in Pattaya and other businesses working the large tourist trade, there are many reasonable paying jobs for women from other parts of Thailand. There is always staff needed for cafes and hotels. And, if the gals are educated they are in more demand.

Can yuo blame em, I would expect they would probably prefer an armed guard, a ninja, and a trained behavioral psychologist along just to be safe. We are talking Pattaya here.

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Too true, considering the diversity of men in Pattaya. There are too many men of too many cultures who have absolutely no idea how to treat women. Just because a bar girl might be for rent, doesn't mean she is not a human being deserving some respect.. Unfortunately, there are far too many men who treat the working girls like a piece of meat..

I think it boils down to 'easy come/easy go' with Thai women [and falang women as well].

"What doesn't make sense to me is that it seems like "butterfly" applies to anyone that doesn't marry the first person they date."

Sorry, I don't quite understand what you mean by "butterfly"?

"Butterfly" means someone who hops from flower to flower (girl to girl), a philanderer.

Before I met Mrs T, I briefly dated a Thai girl who would use this term way too much. So I convinced her that the correct term was in fact "flutter-by". I figured that as long as I had to listen to the word ten times a day, I might as well entertain myself with a little private joke.

I don't think any girls will like a butterfly guy; not just Thai girls. It only show that the boyfriend is not serious about a relationship, and perhaps will stick around until the girl give in to a sexual engagement. After that, then what? Suck the nectar dry and move on to the next flower? The last thing girls would want is too be dump?

Also, never kiss on the first date. This advise is from my mommy.

It comes down to sex. If ANY Thai girl gets upset and thinks you are a butterfly just explain you are not having sex with the women you date, they cant argue that. No sex and you are doing nothing wrong.

Not many are going to buy that scenario.

I have found Thais often discuss, weddings and children on a first or second date.

If the couple find each other suitable things move very fast.

A friend of mine (western) met a respectable lady (Thai), and she was devastated when after seeing each other for a week he didn't want to marry her.

? wow