Thai Catholic School Teacher Caught Caning Students

[Piengrudee]

I videotaped one Thai teacher canning tens of Mathayom students. He came into my classroom and demanded that I delete it. I "deleted" it. One day, I will publish it. The teachers at my school are brutal.

. How can you publish it, when you have already "deleted" it?

[starcatcher]

I'm wondering that there not happens more.

To be honest, I never would be a teacher here in Thailand for teaching this (mostly) spoiled little monsters.

I like kids. And I hate any violence. But how many children here get treated and spoiled (like little kings) is also not normal. And not only this. Many of the children here are also already ice-cold liars when 6 or 7 years old.

Just sit for one hour in front of a 7/11 and you will see, how most children force their parents to buy something. And later, when they are teenagers and have problems - what's the value of a life when having an argue?

[kokesaat]

I'm with the others for a return to segregated schools, slavery, death by hanging, prohibition, teeth pulling without Novocain, mustard gas, along with a few more A-bombs for countries that don't toe the line. After all, it was done before, so it must be okay to do now. I'll bet you wouldn't say that if that was your child in the video. Sick sick sick! but according to my neighborhood pharmacist whose mother is a primary school teacher, not as uncommon as you'd like to think.

[marquess]

Big deal we were canned at school when we did something wrong and we all had the utmost respect for the Brothers who ran the school and most teachers. Though there were one or two who abused it, on the whole it did a lot of people good! Look at all the "Child Centred" education in the UK now, teachers being beaten up by pupils and parents doing the same. This could never have happened when I was at school.

[rich54321]

Cane him in front of the school and the district - then jail him for assault on the kids

[def2708]

it s a thai family who s got 4 kids

dad and mum think what s going to be their job later in life

1 st one very smart: oh,he should be a doctor

2 nd is normal smart: she should be a nurse

3rd a bit less smart :he should be police man

the last one is really stupid: oh he WILL be a teacher....

the worst thing: it s true.....

[Buchholz]

What's the problem? They each got just one stroke of the cane.

Actually, what you saw was 54 seconds of an ordeal that likely was much lengthier in time:

Art teacher Somchai Limthanmaporn was fired after he was exposed hitting at least 40 students

Nine News article

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/7953466/phone-exposes-teacher-who-beat-students

Additionally, the other photo posted would indicate that the cycle of students was repeated. Either that of perhaps the multiple bruising was a result of:

a cane wrapped with electrical wire

same article link as above

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btw, a different 25-second snippet of the ordeal showing different students than the OP video is available on the link provided above.

The cane will often bounce off & whip back in experienced hands, causing 2-3 bruises per stroke.

That's one heck of a ricochet or "bounce":

Thai Rath newspaper (article in Thai)

http://www.thairath.co.th/content/region/107369

[Roachiebkk]

We had a Vice Principal who used to broadcast the beating over the school PA and if he really felt it necessary would leap from his chair in his swing of the strap down on the boy's hand or hands, sometimes he wouldn't stop until all the boys being punished were in tears and sobbing over the PA, not everybody cried though and this made him even more upset. A novel method the sheetmetal teacher had was to get the boy to bend from the hips so they unkowingly had the back of their head just under the rim of the bench, the teacher would then slap the cane down on the bench instead of the kids arse making him panic, bring up his head and whack it on the bench. The teacher never wanted to be known as someone who would actually hit a boy. Pretty horrible stuff even in those days, no effect on me (except for the leather underwear and whips in the closet)

[geovalin]

Mobile phone = the end of abuse

[sausageandmash]

Oh, come on. One belt with a cane for each student hardly constitutes abuse.

I went to St Christopher's school in Hove, England between 1978 and 1982. My brother and I were always sent to the headmaster's study for a caning. We got three whacks with the cane. I clearly remember my brother, after receiving a caning, walking back down the stairs shouting "it didn't hurt". He did this 3 or times in a row before going back to his class.

But there was a teacher there called Peter Ezra, who definately DID abuse some of the boys there. Here is what I witnessed:

1) Knocking a boy's head against a wall repeatedly

2) Bringing a heavy desk lid down on a boy's arm, breaking it (the arm, not the desklid).

3) He made me stand on a stool to write something on the blackboard. He then smacked me very hard across the face, sending me flying off the stool.

4) I also saw him get a boy to kneel down on the floor, but balancing on his kneecaps - which is very hard to do without your hands on the floor to balance yourself.

There are kids, especially in Thailand, who need a slap now and again. However, it has to be adminstered in private, not with other teachers or students looking on.

There has been a typically stupid knee-kerk reaction in the UK. Now teachers can do hardly anything to control badly behaved kids - it's definately gone the other way.

The bruises on the kids were horrendous This was not discipline, but serious abuse taking place.

[AleG]

Ah yes, teach children that violence is the way to solve conflicts, disputes and assert authority. I don't see how that could lead to any problems later on, no?

[lioness]

Barbaric, and never mind that caning etc used to be accepted in UK schools, control by fear is not how I would want my child dealt with.

There are other ways of dealing with wayward or naughty children that are far more effective,without the use of corporal punishment.

[joboss]

Barbaric, and never mind that caning etc used to be accepted in UK schools, control by fear is not how I would want my child dealt with.

There are other ways of dealing with wayward or naughty children that are far more effective,without the use of corporal punishment.

Can u expand on that?

I am open to ideas.

[Deeral]

"I was caned and it did me no harm"

(Apart from the fact I like beating children myself)

[newcanexpat41]

This guy is a retard and out of control. The problem with teachers administering corporal punishment is that the student already has you so aggrivated that you are unable to control yourself. You may not understand how hard you are actually hitting. Now in the case of small children you run the risk of hurting them pretty badly. I taught in a catholic school in thailand and I saw hitting with fists, and canes. And this school was a primary school. I often heard that dull "thud" of a hand being delivered to the middle of a students back. Thats a dangerous area when you consider its aprimary school student and a pissed off teacher. The teacher runs the risk of seriously hurting a small child.

Now I will be the first to admit that these kids are often out of control and could probably use a good one now and then. However, it is against the law.

I have found much better ways of dealing with matiyome students who want to challenge authority.....such as making them do push ups until they almost vomit! One or two of those sessions and they rarely challenge me again. Or standing on the tips of toes and not leting them rest their heels on the ground for about 2-3 minutes.....that will break the will of even the most rebellious fairly fast. No need for hitting or violence.

[toybits]

This teacher would have a very shortened lifespan in my hometown.....

[jesimps]

Good on that teacher, at last someone who knows how to keep todays kids in line. Why all the the outrage? It happened all the time when I was a kid, it was the only way the teachers could control us. Never did us any lasting damage, in fact we had a lot more respect for our elders then than the kids do now. Kids don't get much discipline at home (especially Thai luuk-chaai) they are treated like kings by their folks, the parents even standing on buses while the kids sit.

Do you politically correct types want schools in Thailand to end up like some schools in the US and UK where the teachers regularly get beaten up by their pupils? I'd rather see a few unruly pupils caned and the rule of discipline maintained. Give a kid an inch and he'll take a mile.

By the way, I have six kids and they didn't need to be caned at school, they were taught how to behave at home. They've all grown up to be model citizens.

[hyperdimension]

I know someone who badly "smashed" (possibly killed... I did not dare to ask) one of his former teachers in revenge for being mistreated. If that teacher is still alive then I think his quality of life from then on was permanently affected (i.e. permanently disabled in multiple ways).

Teachers who assault students better watch out. The violence may come back to them possibly in higher magnitude.

Edited August 31, 2010 by hyperdimension

[mickylonster]

I was schooled in a catholic institution in yorkshire way back in the 1960`s run by `Delaselle Brothers` who were sadistic in their use of the cane , we all got a danm good thrashing at one time or another, 40+ years later , that administration is under investigation in an on going case relating to sexual and physical abuse with 140 litigants . I was so appalled at the hypocrasy of those so called catholics that to this day I have never forgotten that time and have never been inside another catholic church or felt the need to belong to the catholic religion.

[Milo]

What's the problem? They each got just one stroke of the cane.

Actually, what you saw was 54 seconds of an ordeal that likely was much lengthier in time:

Art teacher Somchai Limthanmaporn was fired after he was exposed hitting at least 40 students

Nine News article

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/7953466/phone-exposes-teacher-who-beat-students

Additionally, the other photo posted would indicate that the cycle of students was repeated. Either that of perhaps the multiple bruising was a result of:

a cane wrapped with electrical wire

same article link as above

---------------------------------------------------------

btw, a different 25-second snippet of the ordeal showing different students than the OP video is available on the link provided above.

The cane will often bounce off & whip back in experienced hands, causing 2-3 bruises per stroke.

That's one heck of a ricochet or "bounce":

Thai Rath newspaper (article in Thai)

http://www.thairath.co.th/content/region/107369

That's only two hits, obviously. And certainly no wire around the cane!

[Tomissan]

Just another case of TIT. It is a very sick society here.

I think pretty much you would find this or similar activity going on in all the nooks & crannies around the world.

I remember at five years old getting my first spanking & cold shower for getting sick from the food and throwing up on my bed. This was at military school...

Then again at eight years old being on the receiving end of the 'holy paddle', a 2"x6" oak paddle with several 1" holes. The young girl sitting next to me lied and told the teacher I pulled my willy out..when the truth was, I put a pencil next to my zipper.... they yanked my ass out of the classroom before you could say "<deleted>".

They took me to the vice principals office and paddled my ass with the traditional 'holy paddle' and if that wasn't enough to at least make me wonder about the sanity of the establishment, they expelled me from that school and within an hour I was getting my ass paddled again at the new school my mother brought me to. This was in the 5th grade (America, mixed reliions but mostly Christians, Jews, Catholics, Protestants, etc).

So I managaed to make it through the next several years getting the paddle more often for something or other, guilty or not.

In Jr.high it was the gym teachers who really enjoyed whacking kids asses with the 'holy paddle', and it didn't stop here.

The practice of hitting or spanking children is as old as history and not limited to one geographic location, religion or society and these days, it's not tolerated as much in most civilized countries.

[hjvdhoef]

Everybody is making a lot of noise now.One generation back it was normal that they did that on schools in several European countries,like Holland.

They caned me me and several friends many times and we never told that to our parents or they caned us as well.

We had a lot more respect for the teachers and police,then it's now with all these soft minded parents.

[TPI]

This guy is a retard and out of control. The problem with teachers administering corporal punishment is that the student already has you so aggrivated that you are unable to control yourself. You may not understand how hard you are actually hitting. Now in the case of small children you run the risk of hurting them pretty badly. I taught in a catholic school in thailand and I saw hitting with fists, and canes. And this school was a primary school. I often heard that dull "thud" of a hand being delivered to the middle of a students back. Thats a dangerous area when you consider its aprimary school student and a pissed off teacher. The teacher runs the risk of seriously hurting a small child.

Now I will be the first to admit that these kids are often out of control and could probably use a good one now and then. However, it is against the law.

I have found much better ways of dealing with matiyome students who want to challenge authority.....such as making them do push ups until they almost vomit! One or two of those sessions and they rarely challenge me again. Or standing on the tips of toes and not leting them rest their heels on the ground for about 2-3 minutes.....that will break the will of even the most rebellious fairly fast. No need for hitting or violence.

You got your training in the FBI school of torture, right?

Actually, I commiserate with the Thai teacher....after teaching at a secondary school in Bkk for a number of years I was so sick of the undisciplined and unteachable students at all levels, and after watching the various methods by which teachers try to generate even a little interest from most of the students, I gave it up as a bad joke and moved to private language schools, for the same money but a far greater satisfaction!

It is humiliating for the teacher to get a grown man or woman (17 - 18 years old) to hold a piece of paper against a wall with their chin in order for them to stop interfering with the rest of the class! You can't send them out of the class and if you send them to the Director or the teacher assigned for discipline they just don't go!

What to do?

Obviously, the "you mustn't strike my child" group will say that they have never used violence against their child.....ever! What about their playmates, they have absolutley no patience with idiots or anti-social snits and so, deal out swift justice to the offending child. You people need to take off your "rose coloured" glasses and see the world for the tough place it is!

[hjvdhoef]

Good on that teacher, at last someone who knows how to keep todays kids in line. Why all the the outrage? It happened all the time when I was a kid, it was the only way the teachers could control us. Never did us any lasting damage, in fact we had a lot more respect for our elders then than the kids do now. Kids don't get much discipline at home (especially Thai luuk-chaai) they are treated like kings by their folks, the parents even standing on buses while the kids sit.

Do you politically correct types want schools in Thailand to end up like some schools in the US and UK where the teachers regularly get beaten up by their pupils? I'd rather see a few unruly pupils caned and the rule of discipline maintained. Give a kid an inch and he'll take a mile.

By the way, I have six kids and they didn't need to be caned at school, they were taught how to behave at home. They've all grown up to be model citizens.

I'm 100 % agree with your opinion.Discipline is a dirty word now days.

[katana]

There was a case that hit the headlines in September 2009 last year when a Thai male teacher was secretly filmed on a mobile beating one of his students at a private Thai-Chinese bilingual secondary school in Bangkok. He also repeatedly banged the pupil's head against the blackboard. You can read the story and see the video here.

The teacher ended up getting the sack.

[Buchholz]

Actually, what you saw was 54 seconds of an ordeal that likely was much lengthier in time:

Art teacher Somchai Limthanmaporn was fired after he was exposed hitting at least 40 students

Nine News article

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/7953466/phone-exposes-teacher-who-beat-students

Additionally, the other photo posted would indicate that the cycle of students was repeated. Either that of perhaps the multiple bruising was a result of:

a cane wrapped with electrical wire

same article link as above

---------------------------------------------------------

btw, a different 25-second snippet of the ordeal showing different students than the OP video is available on the link provided above.

The cane will often bounce off & whip back in experienced hands, causing 2-3 bruises per stroke.

That's one heck of a ricochet or "bounce":

Thai Rath newspaper (article in Thai)

http://www.thairath.co.th/content/region/107369

That's only two hits, obviously. And certainly no wire around the cane!

Thank you for at least now admitting that they were hit more than once.

Do you have photos of what a contusion from a wire-wrapped cane should look like?

Are you also disputing the situation (cane wrapped in electrical wire) from being as how the news article reported it to be? If so, based on what?

[NanaFoods]

Amazing world we live in...although it worked for me when I was young, I even listened sometimes after a good spank. Never bothered me though, I knew I deserved it ....till I was strong enough to spank back.

This is not so terribly shocking given the state of development in Thailand -- corporal punishment was commonplace in the US, and I believe much of the West in general up until 50 years ago or so. Even one of the nuns (teachers) at a Christian school I was forced to go to in grade-school occasionally used wooden rulers to smack the back of our knuckles if we were caught disturbing class or fooling around and not paying attention (and that was only about 35 years ago).

However, this Thai teacher appears to be enjoying it a bit too much - and using too much force.

[neverdie]

Without knowing the specific situation it is not easy to understand why this teacher was caning the students.

"punishment to students who failed to clean their living quarters".

Nine News article:

http://news.ninemsn....o-beat-students

Before comdemning it and beside comdemning it it would be interesting to know. What was his intention in doing so?

presumably to ensure having more tidy rooms in the school's dormitory.

I wonder what the learning results were of the students this teacher teached in his way.

Perhaps something like, "If I fail to wipe down the window sill in my room daily, I will be brutalized."

Khao Sod newspaper (article in Thai)

http://www.khaosod.c...HdPQzB6TVE9PQ==

I was caned as a child at a private school. I am a strong believer in discipline but the teachers conduct is NOT acceptable.

If a child of mine came home with bruises like that, especially for such a minor misdemeanour (dirty room) I am afraid the teacher would be meeting me personally, whether a foriegner to this country or not. I wonder if he is such a big man when it comes to dealing with someone his own size?

[taxin]

Have people forgotten that until 30 odd years ago caning was common place in English schools and was completely acceptable. In my view caning , properly carried out, never did anyone any harm. I was caned myself on several occasions and believe it taught me the right lesson. The threat of the cane often acted as a deterrent without it being needed to be carried out. Since corporal punishment was banned in English schools discipline has become a major problem as teachers have few ways to punish pupils and even have to ask parents permission before giving a detention.

Some of the yobs in our societies today would have benefited from a good caning in their youth!!!

I think a few people have missed the point on this story. It is not the actual canning that is at question, it is the severity in the way this sicko was carrying out the canning.

Look at the way he was lifting his shirt up before he hit them, the way he pulled his shorts up to get a good run up before striking. He was enjoying it !

These "boys" didnt look that young, they looked more like teenagers to me. What I cant understand is why all these students didnt gang up on the teacher, he was way outnumbered ! OK, im all for students respecting their elders, their master & teacher but I think these students should learn more about self defense.

When I was 12 my head teacher summoned me to his office for a bit of "punishment", when he lifted the cane up I gave him a punch on the nose before he could strike, I became the school hero ! The teachers called home to my mum & dad, my dad said down the phone "thats my boy !"

OK, I was suspended from school (almost expelled) but I would pass this advice on to my son any day. Respecting your teacher (or any elder) is important and will make you a better person, but learning to defend yourself will be just as important and more likely to be required upon as you get older. You let someone treat you like a pussy, you will end up being a pussy !

The best form of defense is attack, I would love to have seen all those students retaliate and beat the sh*t out of that teacher !!

[somchai69]

Ah yes, teach children that violence is the way to solve conflicts, disputes and assert authority.

I could not disagree more.

Children need to know there is a limit to bad behaviour, and that limit can be painful

The threat needs to be real, but not always acted upon.

Some 40 years ago when I taught, a child might be spent out of the class.

However they knew that if the head of house saw them in the corridor, they

would be taken off to her office for a possible caning.

Just the idea of that was a good deterent.