Thai Catholic School Teacher Caught Caning Students

[Deeral]

sadly those that suffered and subsequently support violence towards children don't realise ho they have been detrimentally affected themselves.

They are also often the fist to say"I blame the parents" and criticize the teachers and urge inordinate violence against child abusers - the whole thing comes as a package.....

If you are obsessive compulsive on top - I suggest you get some therapy.

BTW - t parents and teachers who blame the kids - has it ever occurred to you that you may be contributing to their behaviour?

[TAWP]

This happens, to various degrees, all the time at the school where I work. I have a policy of barring assisting Thai teachers from my classroom if they insist on using corporal punishment.

One particular incident I remember was early morning during assembly a teacher hit two students with his open hand to the face. It was hard enough for the students to stumble and almost fall. I was the only person to do anything about this. I approached this teacher and told him he shouldn't hit students. He didn't really like being told he shouldn't hit people.

After this I got in trouble and had to apologize to this teacher and nothing happened to him.

TIT

Yes, you had the nerve to tell a Thai teacher that he should follow the law. They don't take that kindly here.

But this being the 21-century I would set up a website listing teachers pictures next to imagery of physical evidence (pictures, videos) as a way to even the score...eventually the schools would have to take action as their names would be dragged in the mud.

[Hakuchi]

Disgusting . If I caught a guy like him, doing what he did to my children - he would suffer for the rest of his life. Sadistic creature. Might cost me a few years beyond bars, but still worh it.

Would you let your children watch when you pay your revenge?

[kunash]

this article is about to appear on sky news ( UK )

[csolgosz]

I thought it is common practice to cane children in Thailand?

It should only be a last resort.

Spare the rod and spoil the child, was the maxim in my day.

Yeah, that is only when teachers don't know how to teach, or the school has no decent behaviour management policy. I am proud to say that I never have to even think about such a response because students are engaged by my lessons. My old students from my country are on my Facebook now - evidence that I succeeded a little in influencing them positively somewhat. My dad never spared the rod either and I will possibly never speak to him again because he disowned me. I am happy to say that I can spend my life showing more grace and love than he ever learnt to.

Nothing at all wrong with the (scriptural) maxim, just in the application, and the ABUSE of it by bullying teachers and parents.

Try constructivism...

Edited August 31, 2010 by csolgosz

[csolgosz]

Barbaric, and never mind that caning etc used to be accepted in UK schools, control by fear is not how I would want my child dealt with.

There are other ways of dealing with wayward or naughty children that are far more effective,without the use of corporal punishment.

Can u expand on that?

I am open to ideas.

See my last post.

I asked one of my difficult students why I succeeded in winning them over, and he said, "We knew you liked us." I like kids, and I like teaching them because I never forgot what it was like to be a kid myself.

[animatic]

So what's the problem?

1) Your knowledge of the law in the country you live

2) Your ability to feel empathy

Anyone else want to add more?

That sadists should be excluded from teaching school.

This guy is clearly a head case, and should NOT be

allowed in a position of authority, let alone over impressionable minds.

[bagheera]

I find this kind of punishment in the 21st century absolutely outrageous, it could almost have been a scene from Dickens ' Bleak House '. Now, if you really want to put the fear of God into the little monkeys.......... show them the taser !!!

[Seanextra]

Yep i got mine at school and helped no end i even got some at home and love my father for doing it ! Seriously we need this but not the performance as shown in my day "Australian way" the deputy principle or principle handed i out, in the confines of the sacred office !!!! Down south Queensland it was a wopping big 1 meter long really thick wood black board ruler "touch your toes and wham" up north in Rockhampton it was 6 of the best open hand smashed down on the finger tips ! worked well bring it back stop all this rubbish it works we are animals that learn from lessons not time out !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[IvanDobsky]

Disgusting . If I caught a guy like him, doing what he did to my children - he would suffer for the rest of his life. Sadistic creature. Might cost me a few years beyond bars, but still worh it.

Would you let your children watch when you pay your revenge?

precisely

punish corporal punishment by dealing out some sort of 'street justice'? That takes you down that guy's level. Public humiliation is the way to go, no need for violence.

We clearly fall into three camps:

1. corporal punishment is OK and it never did me any harm; kids in the US and UK could do with a bit of it!

2. It's wrong and we should give him a beating.

3. A good teacher never needs to resort to such a thing. Supported by the school, a good teacher has the ability to encourage and motivate students whether they are (so called) 'bad' students or not, whether they come from broken homes or not, whether they have academic skills or not. A good teacher never judges, just tries to inspire a student whether their talents lie in maths, languages, art or wherever else.

Sadly, number 3 is rare, but I have seen it with my own eyes. :jap:

[way2muchcoffee]

I find this kind of punishment in the 21st century absolutely outrageous, it could almost have been a scene from Dickens ' Bleak House '. Now, if you really want to put the fear of God into the little monkeys.......... show them the taser !!!

I'm not sure the tazer would faze them. I once walked into an M6 classroom after a break to find a group of boys taking turns tazering each other in the 'family jewels'. They seemed to be enjoying themselves as it was all smiles and laughter. Obviously I put a stop to it, but I couldn't help but chuckle. Boys will be boys.

[Seanextra]

This is now all over NineMSN News Classic !

[steady]

Good on that teacher, at last someone who knows how to keep todays kids in line. Why all the the outrage? It happened all the time when I was a kid, it was the only way the teachers could control us. Never did us any lasting damage, in fact we had a lot more respect for our elders then than the kids do now. Kids don't get much discipline at home (especially Thai luuk-chaai) they are treated like kings by their folks, the parents even standing on buses while the kids sit.

Do you politically correct types want schools in Thailand to end up like some schools in the US and UK where the teachers regularly get beaten up by their pupils? I'd rather see a few unruly pupils caned and the rule of discipline maintained. Give a kid an inch and he'll take a mile.

By the way, I have six kids and they didn't need to be caned at school, they were taught how to behave at home. They've all grown up to be model citizens.

If you saw the whole video on TV and really believe "good on the teacher" then you are a very sick man. Get help!

[Frezie]

the parents should track the sadistic bastard down and kick his arse in. Their are many forms of punishment that can be administered to unruly students but this A holes obvious pleasure in belting the kids in this manner does not belong in the classroom or any here near kids.If he did that to my kid I would ensure he paid the price.Not against a kid getting punished (by the parent) if their action is so severe it warrants it.

This is exactly the attitude that has led to the disastrous lack of discipline in schools today and even extending beyond school days. Like a number of other posters on this thread I had a grammar school education in the 50's when caning was the norm. It was controlled by the fact that only the headmaster was allowed to cane, in fact one master was sacked for caning a boy instead of referring him to the head. The result was that there was very little unruly behaviour in the school. Further than that, in those days there was no graffiti and very little gratuitous violence in the streets that we see today. It did in fact generate a healthy respect for law and order, carrying through after school years.

[truethailand]

By the look of his shirt and swagger in swing, it looks like the Red Shirt drill instructor. The kids were probably holding the M79 launchers the wrong way or not pulling the sling shots hard enough. In that case, they deserved it. I heard that the Thai Catholic Schools were the breeding grounds for extremists.

Either that or the guy's testing his new cane/bullet proof pants for children in his science room? For export to Singapore?

Are you pulling my chain. How can anybody relate abuse by a teacher to the red shirts. Its a toss up who needs the public flogging

[Buchholz]

Seeing that it is illegal to perform corporal punishment (or meant to be ) in Thailand what legal rights do the parents or the child have...can they lay a charge of assault

Yes, and they did.

Parents of the students at St Mary's have filed complaints with police

Nine News article:

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/7953466/phone-exposes-teacher-who-beat-students

also from above link:

Art teacher Somchai Limthanmaporn was fired after he was exposed hitting at least 40 students, according to Nongkran Prathumtri, an administrator at St Mary's School in the north-eastern province of Nakhon Ratchasima.

She said the school would not defend him.

It's ok, Somchai, there's no shortage of your defenders here on the forum.

[steady]

In this situation I think that the magic word is "reasonable". It's all about reasonable punishment for the offence. I watched the video on television and the teacher was out of control. I would describe him as a maniac. No need for anyone to dissect the meaning of the word "maniac", I'm talking plain english. If most of us in our home countries had seen an adult inflict such an attack on another adult there would be outrage. Yet here in Thailand a fair percentage seem to think that the child deserves what he got. I would argue that no child deserves what that child got.

As for the people who come out with the "in my day we got......". Why don't we find some mines to send the children down. I realise that chimneys are hard to find in this part of the world!

[csolgosz]

Yep i got mine at school and helped no end i even got some at home and love my father for doing it ! Seriously we need this but not the performance as shown in my day "Australian way" the deputy principle or principle handed i out, in the confines of the sacred office !!!! Down south Queensland it was a wopping big 1 meter long really thick wood black board ruler "touch your toes and wham" up north in Rockhampton it was 6 of the best open hand smashed down on the finger tips ! worked well bring it back stop all this rubbish it works we are animals that learn from lessons not time out !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, noticeable by the way you learnt to spell and construct sentences. You really benefited from your schooling I am sure.

Great stuff, but don't try and call it the 'Australian way'... I have known students that have had to be helped psychologically to recover from the bullying received at the hands of their school masters back home in Aussie. Fortunately there were a few good Aussie masters, including my own grandfather who stepped into the breach and prevented them from being tortured, and helped them to become decent citizens in the process, despite the dreadful odds stacked against them... like having 'loving' fathers who were in jail for incest and the like... I am NOT making this stuff up either. Some of the worst daily torturers should be followed up and gaoled for child abuse.

[fiercesnake]

But the kids were caught colouring outside of the lines! They deserved to be beaten!

LOL!:cheesy:OK good one newbie! Just lucky the old priest wasn't nearby, sure he could have given them even a BETTER lesson:w00t:

[csolgosz]

Disgusting . If I caught a guy like him, doing what he did to my children - he would suffer for the rest of his life. Sadistic creature. Might cost me a few years beyond bars, but still worh it.

Would you let your children watch when you pay your revenge?

precisely

punish corporal punishment by dealing out some sort of 'street justice'? That takes you down that guy's level. Public humiliation is the way to go, no need for violence.

We clearly fall into three camps:

1. corporal punishment is OK and it never did me any harm; kids in the US and UK could do with a bit of it!

2. It's wrong and we should give him a beating.

3. A good teacher never needs to resort to such a thing. Supported by the school, a good teacher has the ability to encourage and motivate students whether they are (so called) 'bad' students or not, whether they come from broken homes or not, whether they have academic skills or not. A good teacher never judges, just tries to inspire a student whether their talents lie in maths, languages, art or wherever else.

Sadly, number 3 is rare, but I have seen it with my own eyes. :jap:

Wow, a rational man in this world still...! THANK YOU!

I agree with number 3 wholeheartedly, and if anyone learnt anything from school, they learnt that the teachers that really inspired them were of THAT calibre!

[mightyharriss]

If it was my daughter...simple, I'd well not be very nice to him

Edited August 31, 2010 by mightyharriss

[dick90]

Amazing world we live in...although it worked for me when I was young, I even listened sometimes after a good spank. Never bothered me though, I knew I deserved it ....till I was strong enough to spank back.

I quite agree .It did me no harm when I was a youngster and it did teach me respect.We have new generations of children today who think they can get away with anything because there is no deterant.It started after the sixties when teachers became to familiar with children.If I got caned at school I was afraid to tell my father because he would give me another smack.We had drug problems in those days but today it is completely out of hand.I would like some ideas as to what you can do with completely uncontrolable children.

[mightyharriss]

Amazing world we live in...although it worked for me when I was young, I even listened sometimes after a good spank. Never bothered me though, I knew I deserved it ....till I was strong enough to spank back.

I quite agree .It did me no harm when I was a youngster and it did teach me respect.We have new generations of children today who think they can get away with anything because there is no deterant.It started after the sixties when teachers became to familiar with children.If I got caned at school I was afraid to tell my father because he would give me another smack.We had drug problems in those days but today it is completely out of hand.I would like some ideas as to what you can do with completely uncontrolable children.

Try Parenting

[HereIAm]

Ok, I am going to raise a lot of hackles now.

I am wondering -- just wondering -- if the apparent rise in crimes these days, and I am including every kind of crime, from the Aldhouse kind that we read about on another thread, to the Wall Street kind, to the jihadi kind, to the general mob violence kind, is a result of the ending of caning in schools.

Sure, the way this guy was caning, it seemed vicious. Probably he had lost his sense of proportion. Then again, he was reasonable enough to administer only one swish each.

My headmaster (4 decades back) had a stern technique. It was not anger that powered the cane but stern disapproval that communicated to the students that they had crossed the line. I am thinking that is what instilled this "guideline" in us. Sometimes I would go home and tell mom or dad that this friend of mine was caned today. And the resonse was a sublime and calm reminder to learn the lesson and not cross the limit.

Think about it. It's about 30 years at least now that caning has been stopped. Ask yourself, has lawlessness increased or declined ?

Are kids more receptive to parents and teachers today ? How good is the average student of today compared to the average student of yesteryears ?

How many of you are really satisfied with the level of intellect, dedication and discipline that you get these days ?

[wolf5370]

I can see the teacher's disipline methods are very dated, but I can't see why some call this indicative of "of the sick society here" - I am not that old, and I attended a Catholic School in the UK in the 80's. I was caned more than once - in truth we actually preferred a quick stroke of the cane to pages of lines or detention. Only the gymn master hit the backside though (with a cane or plimsole) - the other teachers aimed for the part of the palm at the base of the fingers. More than once I had fingers black and swollen from a slight miss stroke - hitting the inside of the knuckle. As with all things, a better way was sought and things changed - though suspentions and exclusions now (which does far more long term damage to the kid) has replaced corporal punishment.

Obviously any line can be crossed, and this was part of the reason for the end to such punishment - easy for the teacher to be accused of overstepping the mark and sliding in to abuse. We had one teacher, and Indian guy who taught lower school Geography - so 11-13 year olds - who use to jump from his chair as he brought the cane down (I never was caned by him personally). If you pulled your hand away, it was usually doubled. I once laughed (nervous I guess as my best friend was there waiting for his turn to be caned) after receiving a stroke from the head, and got poked with the cane and then whacked again on the other hand. The fear of caning was always worse than the actual punishment - especially amongst the kids that never rceived it.

Te problem with unqualified teachers is that they have never been taught how to teach and how to discipline (or before that command respect, attention and good behaviour). They will fall back on the way they were taught, which is out dated and not inkeeping with modern methodology. I believe that the school itself is at fault for taking the risk on the basis of cost with the wellbeing of their children (loco parentis). I believe, therefore, that parents should direct their ire and compensation suits squarely at the school's door.

[IvanDobsky]

Disgusting . If I caught a guy like him, doing what he did to my children - he would suffer for the rest of his life. Sadistic creature. Might cost me a few years beyond bars, but still worh it.

Would you let your children watch when you pay your revenge?

precisely

punish corporal punishment by dealing out some sort of 'street justice'? That takes you down that guy's level. Public humiliation is the way to go, no need for violence.

We clearly fall into three camps:

1. corporal punishment is OK and it never did me any harm; kids in the US and UK could do with a bit of it!

2. It's wrong and we should give him a beating.

3. A good teacher never needs to resort to such a thing. Supported by the school, a good teacher has the ability to encourage and motivate students whether they are (so called) 'bad' students or not, whether they come from broken homes or not, whether they have academic skills or not. A good teacher never judges, just tries to inspire a student whether their talents lie in maths, languages, art or wherever else.

Sadly, number 3 is rare, but I have seen it with my own eyes. :jap:

Wow, a rational man in this world still...! THANK YOU!

I agree with number 3 wholeheartedly, and if anyone learnt anything from school, they learnt that the teachers that really inspired them were of THAT calibre!

Thanks. Nobody is perfect but sometimes there is a better way that many of us can already see.

I can clearly remember three teachers who inspired me more than any other : teachers of history, English and chemistry

There was no question of this issue of violence happening in their classroom, despite me being raised in a poor neighbourhood in the UK.

[Will1]

Caning video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evkQWnS3XYk

IF I CAUGHT ANYONE DOING THAT TO MY SON, I WOULD SHOVE THAT CANE DOWN THERE THROAT AND OUT THOUGH THERE BACK SIDE!!!!

[IvanDobsky]

3. A good teacher never needs to resort to such a thing. Supported by the school, a good teacher has the ability to encourage and motivate students whether they are (so called) 'bad' students or not, whether they come from broken homes or not, whether they have academic skills or not. A good teacher never judges, just tries to inspire a student whether their talents lie in maths, languages, art or wherever else.

You seem to be watching too many American movies.

Now back in the real world...

I've taught for only eight years but I know I'm a pretty good teacher. Even if judged by the standards of those around me (no offence lol!) I've seen a lot of movies, both American and others. I've also seen a lot of teachers: good, bad and everywhere in between.

You've obviously seen movies but apparently no actual teaching. Some of those movies were pretty accurate by the way. The movie based on Ron Clark to name one. :jap:

Edited August 31, 2010 by IvanDobsky

[wolf5370]

Amazing world we live in...although it worked for me when I was young, I even listened sometimes after a good spank. Never bothered me though, I knew I deserved it ....till I was strong enough to spank back.

I quite agree .It did me no harm when I was a youngster and it did teach me respect.We have new generations of children today who think they can get away with anything because there is no deterant.It started after the sixties when teachers became to familiar with children.If I got caned at school I was afraid to tell my father because he would give me another smack.We had drug problems in those days but today it is completely out of hand.I would like some ideas as to what you can do with completely uncontrolable children.

Try Parenting

Quite. Now isn't that the problem. Yesteryear the school was part of the community, like the local bobby (policeman), the lollypop lady (traffic crossing warden), parents' friends and family and parents themselves. All had a hand in the children of the community - the local bobbly would give you a clip around the ear for swearing in the stret or writing on the phonebox - the neighbours and other's that knew your parents were even more frightening as being caught by them meant a call to dad and a wollop on your return. The school did more than bring education to us, it instilled disipline, respect, good attitude, hard work and team spirit (school pride and sports). Kids were still naughty, but they half expected to get caught and disciplined. Now all that is gone. Parent's are getting less and less support from the community and blamed for all the wrongs of their children whom they can no longer discipline. The schools, neighbours and police have abdicated responsibility and isolated themselves behind red tape and legislation than inturn brought the extra layer of fear - as the 'kids' learned that there was little that could be done against them. Some parents without their own family support, and lacking the traditional community support, simply give up. Their kids do not learn respect, discipline, community life skills and community spirit, and have nothing to pass down as they in turn become parents. Its all well and good to blame parents, but it is becoming so much harder to be a good parent in modern society especially for those younger families that never had the training from their own parents.

I worry about PC becoming embedded here as it is in the west (the UK especially) - while a little is fine, it has a tendendancy to become a self-perpetuating monster with reds-under-the-bed-McCarthyism like fear of standing in th way of 'progress' incase we are accused of being racist/ageist/sexist/brutish/violent/'insert adjective here'

[ajarnpot]

it's an elaborate set up , can't you tell, the laughs in the background it is part of the initiative of improving education,

I think this was set up by one of those reporters from the nation, don't hold me to that, this is just gossip

but now there will be people able to say, we should prevent this from happening, and everyone will be happy