Thaksin Says He Can Push Thai Politics Back On Course

[sevenhills]

A great reply, A pity some of the one eyed yellow supporters did not do their homework and just listen to this illegitimate government.

Like it or not, this government is not illegitimate. One-eyed red supporters should do their homework and pay less attention to anti-government propoganda.

Well, this is where we differ in opinion. I believe the opposite, and my reason for this is plainly obvious in any supposed democracy. (Thaksin was democratically elected by the people and ousted in a military coup whilst abroad)...by what standard of democracy is that? a pretty low act if you ask me.

The present "Government" and their Yellow shirt backers are quick to label the red shirts leaders and their supporters as Terrorists and hold them in Prison. Well what about the Yellow Terrorists that held the Country to ransom and did untold damage to the economy when they took the Airports hostage??? Why are these leaders not in prison??? Please explain the difference as I fail to understand this in a so called "Democratic" country. mmmmmm.

Edited September 4, 2010 by sevenhills

[rubl]

A great reply, A pity some of the one eyed yellow supporters did not do their homework and just listen to this illegitimate government.

Like it or not, this government is not illegitimate. One-eyed red supporters should do their homework and pay less attention to anti-government propoganda.

Well, this is where we differ in opinion. I believe the opposite, and my reason for this is plainly obvious in any supposed democracy. (Thaksin was democratically elected by the people and ousted in a military coup whilst abroad)...by what standard of democracy is that? a pretty low act if you ask me.

The present "Government" and their Yellow shirt backers are quick to label the red shirts leaders and their supporters as Terrorists and hold them in Prison. Well what about the Yellow Terrorists that held the Country to ransom and did untold damage to the economy when they took the Airports hostage??? Why are these leaders not in prison??? Please explain the difference as I fail to understand this in a so called "Democratic" country. mmmmmm.

You say you differ in opinion. It's not clear to me on what part as you do not say, you just start asking other questions.

As for this current government, it's legal ! All MP's in parliament were elected. MP's follow certain rules/regulations/constitution to form a government. This should be plainly obvious in any case.

[scorecard]

I thought Thaksin has said multiple times that he's retired from politics and just wants to return and live out his life in peace. But now he seems to be saying otherwise. If he wants to be a leader again, he needs to be more decisive.

Yes true, in fact just 2 days ago he was saying that he's decided to keep a very low profile. Mother of all flip flops.

[yoshiwara]

A great reply, A pity some of the one eyed yellow supporters did not do their homework and just listen to this illegitimate government.

Like it or not, this government is not illegitimate. One-eyed red supporters should do their homework and pay less attention to anti-government propoganda.

Well, this is where we differ in opinion. I believe the opposite, and my reason for this is plainly obvious in any supposed democracy. (Thaksin was democratically elected by the people and ousted in a military coup whilst abroad)...by what standard of democracy is that? a pretty low act if you ask me.

The present "Government" and their Yellow shirt backers are quick to label the red shirts leaders and their supporters as Terrorists and hold them in Prison. Well what about the Yellow Terrorists that held the Country to ransom and did untold damage to the economy when they took the Airports hostage??? Why are these leaders not in prison??? Please explain the difference as I fail to understand this in a so called "Democratic" country. mmmmmm.

The most important factor about Thaksin wanting to get the country back 'on course' is that he has lost the initiative.

That his thugs have been cleared from the streets of Bangkok is something to be cheered.

Unfortunately what the red apologists dream of is a return to the streets and resumption of the activities they had previously undertaken.

ie holding the country to ransom and forcing the government out of office by force.

The above poster is pushing yet again the untruth that Thaksin was elected at the time of the coup. He wasn't.

He was a caretaker and, this is the important point, using his position (though office had expired) to take control of the army leadership.

...he tried that again this May.

Under the current government the economy is growing.

Thaksin is bad for business. Not that our red friends care. Thaksin's handouts is what they get in line for.

[elliss]

I wonder if he really believes what he's saying?

yes ,

probably paranoid with power .

walk on water ,, etc.

there.s only one thing , can stop him .

a loud bang .

[scorecard]

A great reply, A pity some of the one eyed yellow supporters did not do their homework and just listen to this illegitimate government.

Like it or not, this government is not illegitimate. One-eyed red supporters should do their homework and pay less attention to anti-government propoganda.

Well, this is where we differ in opinion. I believe the opposite, and my reason for this is plainly obvious in any supposed democracy. (Thaksin was democratically elected by the people and ousted in a military coup whilst abroad)...by what standard of democracy is that? a pretty low act if you ask me.

The present "Government" and their Yellow shirt backers are quick to label the red shirts leaders and their supporters as Terrorists and hold them in Prison. Well what about the Yellow Terrorists that held the Country to ransom and did untold damage to the economy when they took the Airports hostage??? Why are these leaders not in prison??? Please explain the difference as I fail to understand this in a so called "Democratic" country. mmmmmm.

You say you differ in opinion. It's not clear to me on what part as you do not say, you just start asking other questions.

As for this current government, it's legal ! All MP's in parliament were elected. MP's follow certain rules/regulations/constitution to form a government. This should be plainly obvious in any case.

Plus sevenhills, you might like to note:

- Thaksin now says politicians are not following democratic principles. However thaksin himself setout quite deliberately and very openly to deeply destroy the bastions of democracy: massive vote buying, buy and indimidate the judiciary, intimidate the press, intimidate and buy the electoral commission (they went to jail), change laws outside of the processes of parliament purely for his own massive gain, decide who didn't need to pay taxes, and intimidate the taxation officials, move numerous family members into high ranking positions (one relative was jumped 5 ranks), act as a vigilante in supervising the deaths of over 3,000 Thai people using methodologies which are crimes against humanity, and he bought numerous people to make up the ranks of his scaly PPP party.

- And now the man has the gall to say that all of Thailands problems are because politicians are not following democratic principles!

[sevenhills]

A great reply, A pity some of the one eyed yellow supporters did not do their homework and just listen to this illegitimate government.

Like it or not, this government is not illegitimate. One-eyed red supporters should do their homework and pay less attention to anti-government propoganda.

Well, this is where we differ in opinion. I believe the opposite, and my reason for this is plainly obvious in any supposed democracy. (Thaksin was democratically elected by the people and ousted in a military coup whilst abroad)...by what standard of democracy is that? a pretty low act if you ask me.

The present "Government" and their Yellow shirt backers are quick to label the red shirts leaders and their supporters as Terrorists and hold them in Prison. Well what about the Yellow Terrorists that held the Country to ransom and did untold damage to the economy when they took the Airports hostage??? Why are these leaders not in prison??? Please explain the difference as I fail to understand this in a so called "Democratic" country. mmmmmm.

You say you differ in opinion. It's not clear to me on what part as you do not say, you just start asking other questions.

As for this current government, it's legal ! All MP's in parliament were elected. MP's follow certain rules/regulations/constitution to form a government. This should be plainly obvious in any case.

Propaganda and Legitimacy I discussed in a previous post. Plainly obvious it's not.

But please answer my previous questions if you will? as die hard yellow supporters don't, cannot, or will not answer this? strange.... It is a relevant question as it all comes back to Thaksin's (the elected Prime minister) Illegitimate removal.

[ballpoint]

A great reply, A pity some of the one eyed yellow supporters did not do their homework and just listen to this illegitimate government.

Like it or not, this government is not illegitimate. One-eyed red supporters should do their homework and pay less attention to anti-government propoganda.

Well, this is where we differ in opinion. I believe the opposite, and my reason for this is plainly obvious in any supposed democracy. (Thaksin was democratically elected by the people and ousted in a military coup whilst abroad)...by what standard of democracy is that? a pretty low act if you ask me.

The present "Government" and their Yellow shirt backers are quick to label the red shirts leaders and their supporters as Terrorists and hold them in Prison. Well what about the Yellow Terrorists that held the Country to ransom and did untold damage to the economy when they took the Airports hostage??? Why are these leaders not in prison??? Please explain the difference as I fail to understand this in a so called "Democratic" country. mmmmmm.

We could argue for years over why Thaksin was elected, and whether he could have ever become PM in any supposed democracy (the vote buying, asset hiding, bird flu cover up, war on drugs, stealing from the Thai people, nepotism...), but let's cut to the chase. At the time of the coup he had called an election, had no opponents, cheated, and still lost. He then visited HM the King and lied to him about resigning before making the same lie public. He was not the democratically elected PM at the time of the coup, he was a caretaker PM with no mandate to rule. A caretaker who was rapidly installing family members as head of the military and civil authorities, while authoring phoney bomb plots against himself in order to have an excuse to tighten his illegal authority. What standard of democracy is that? A pretty low act if you ask anyone not wearing the red tinted spectacles.

[sevenhills]

Scorecard.

And I guess vote buying, corruption, rank jumping etc does not exist anymore?? Please

As Ballpoint said, we could argue this for years and get no where.

Cheers guys and have a great night. Time for a beer.

[Bagwan]

The Defence Minister in the UK is an elected MP not an army general........Can you imagine an army general in a true democracy making such a statement?

Antony Henry Head, 1st Viscount Head GCMG, CBE, MC, PC (19 December 1906 – 29 March 1983) was a British soldier, Conservative politician and diplomat.

Head was a career soldier, joining the 15th/19th The King's Royal Hussars and later the Life Guards, serving through the Second World War and achieving the rank of Brigadier General.

Head was elected Conservative MP for Carshalton in 1945. He served as Secretary of State for War from 1951 to 1956 and as Minister of Defence (with a seat in the cabinet) from 1956 to 1957, in the administrations of Winston Churchill and Anthony Eden. He was sworn of the Privy Council in 1951 and in 1960 he was raised to the peerage as Viscount Head, of Throope in the County of Wiltshire.

Head was an Army general AND an elected Member of Parliament.

[Maestro]

I have deleted some nonsensical posts and the replies to them.

[brahmburgers]

Thaksin said he believed Thailand could become a truly democratic country under two conditions:

1. The charges against him be dropped

2. The people elect him as Prime Minister for life

plus. . . . .

3. He gets his complete pile of money back, including the cash mixed with the jelly donuts he had delivered to bribe the judge, which mistakenly got opened by a curious aide to the judge. She, in a style uncharacteristic for a Thai, then spilled the beans (or spilled the jelly donuts, as it were). Maybe she was hungry for a 'kanom wan' (pastry), and slipped her pretty hand in, and out came a thick wad of 1,000 baht bills dripping with fruit jelly.

Back on Course??? When was it on course?

Good One. Reminds me of Zap Comic books (by the genius known as Art Crumb, who I've met), who had Mr. Natural walking around an inner city, saying out loud; ".....and this is a system?"

Edited September 4, 2010 by brahmburgers

[animatic]

sevenhills' timestamp='1283576705'

A great reply, A pity some of the one eyed yellow supporters did not do their homework and just listen to this illegitimate government.

Like it or not, this government is not illegitimate. One-eyed red supporters should do their homework and pay less attention to anti-government propoganda.

Well, this is where we differ in opinion. I believe the opposite, and my reason for this is plainly obvious in any supposed democracy. (Thaksin was democratically elected by the people and ousted in a military coup whilst abroad)...by what standard of democracy is that? a pretty low act if you ask me.

The present "Government" and their Yellow shirt backers are quick to label the red shirts leaders and their supporters as Terrorists and hold them in Prison. Well what about the Yellow Terrorists that held the Country to ransom and did untold damage to the economy when they took the Airports hostage??? Why are these leaders not in prison??? Please explain the difference as I fail to understand this in a so called "Democratic" country. mmmmmm.

You say you differ in opinion. It's not clear to me on what part as you do not say, you just start asking other questions.

As for this current government, it's legal ! All MP's in parliament were elected. MP's follow certain rules/regulations/constitution to form a government. This should be plainly obvious in any case.

Propaganda and Legitimacy I discussed in a previous post. Plainly obvious it's not.

But please answer my previous questions if you will? as die hard yellow supporters don't, cannot, or will not answer this? strange.... It is a relevant question as it all comes back to Thaksin's (the elected Prime minister) Illegitimate removal.

FACT:

Thaksin was not the elected Prime Minister of Thailand at the time of the Coup in 2006

FACT:

He was expired, and resigned, Care Taker Prime Minister, at the time of the coup in 2006

FACT:

He has not run, nor won, office since then.

FACT:

All the MP's in the lower house were duly elected by the ENTIRE voting populace of Thailand

FACT:

The power WITHIN the lower house shifted in not untypical Thai fashion 2+ years AFTER the 2006 coup.

FACT:

The current government was elected in the lower house by publicly elected Ministers Of Parliament.

As is their constitutional prerogative.

FACT:

HRM signed the installation of this House Elected Government,

and thus by the Thai constitution it is 100% legitimate.

Any other claim is spurious and untrue, and clearly built on misinformation or blinding bias.

Edited September 4, 2010 by animatic

[Tony Clifton]

If Thaksin keeps poking at Thai politics and intruding like this I think we will finally see his arrest abroad, an itch he just can't help scratching some more.

He has been warned before but defiantly makes a remote comeback as the coward he always was.

[Siam Simon]

A great reply, A pity some of the one eyed yellow supporters did not do their homework and just listen to this illegitimate government.

Like it or not, this government is not illegitimate. One-eyed red supporters should do their homework and pay less attention to anti-government propoganda.

Oh gawd! Here we go again with the euphemisms. The present government was formed after several factions of the previous government were ordered by the army to attend a meeting at which they were 'given' a 'proposal' by Gen Anupong and his cronies to form a coalition with the Dems. They were then locked in hotel rooms sans cell phones and room phones and left to stew overnight. When they emerged the following day to join the Dem coalition, at least two MPs were quoted in the Thai English press as stating that they had no choice.

Do you Democrat apologists think that this style of government-forming is normal and goes on all the time in mature democracies? Would this sort of carry-on be legal in a western democracy?

[Siam Simon]

I thought Thaksin has said multiple times that he's retired from politics and just wants to return and live out his life in peace. But now he seems to be saying otherwise. If he wants to be a leader again, he needs to be more decisive.

And Anupong keeps saying that the army never get involved in politics. I could go on and on and on. Lying by high profile figures is quite normal. Get used to it.

[hungryhippo]

I really don't understand this clown and his devout followers. He's been recorded saying that he is finished with politics many times however he is constantly involving himself. He's always talking about how corrupt everyone is when he refuses to come back to Thailand to stand trial against his own corruption charges. He talks about how current politics is being reduced to a dictatorship conveniently forgetting that he was overthrown for constantly holding off re-elections and staying on as "acting prime minister".

Is this really the kind of person Thai people want as leader of their country? Are these traits that you look at and say "this is a good example for all Thai people to follow".

[warfie]

what a ferking clown....

[ianf]

Come back Thaksin, we await your return, then things may start to prosper again in Thailand.

Suddenly I feel very sick ...............................

[rixalex]

A great reply, A pity some of the one eyed yellow supporters did not do their homework and just listen to this illegitimate government.

Like it or not, this government is not illegitimate. One-eyed red supporters should do their homework and pay less attention to anti-government propoganda.

Oh gawd! Here we go again with the euphemisms. The present government was formed after several factions of the previous government were ordered by the army to attend a meeting at which they were 'given' a 'proposal' by Gen Anupong and his cronies to form a coalition with the Dems. They were then locked in hotel rooms sans cell phones and room phones and left to stew overnight. When they emerged the following day to join the Dem coalition, at least two MPs were quoted in the Thai English press as stating that they had no choice.

Do you Democrat apologists think that this style of government-forming is normal and goes on all the time in mature democracies? Would this sort of carry-on be legal in a western democracy?

Horse trading in the process of forming a coalition government is very normal practice and has been going on since year dot. The business makes me very uncomfortable and i wish it didn't go on but the fact is, it does - even in the maturest of democracies.

If your story about politicians being intimidated into switching sides is true then that is very worrying. Knowing your background however, my feeling is this could well be more red propoganda. Let's face it, most Thai politicians are not the sort of people who would stand up straight for their supposed principles in a light breeze. Potential for greater power and increased wealth is all it usually takes to win their favour, and my guess it was this weapon that won the day for the Democrats, far more than being caged in some five-star hotel. No different from what happened after the 2007 election when MPs who had campaigned on the promise of not getting into bed with the PPP, went and did exactly that.

[gregb]

Well what about the Yellow Terrorists that held the Country to ransom and did untold damage to the economy when they took the Airports hostage??? Why are these leaders not in prison??? Please explain the difference as I fail to understand this in a so called "Democratic" country. mmmmmm.

Quite simple really. They were freedom fighters trying to restore truth, justice and integrity to a system that had been eviscerated and turned into a tyrannical dictatorship by the red shirted terrorist called Thaksin.

They shouldn't go to jail because they were honorable men.

See, gross exaggerations work both ways.

Thaksin has no redeeming qualities. He is a demagogue and a cretin who is in the same league as Hitler. The only place he could push Thailand is back into the sewer where it was when the military performed their selfless act of kicking his ass out.

[rubl]

Horse trading in the process of forming a coalition government is very normal practice and has been going on since year dot. The business makes me very uncomfortable and i wish it didn't go on but the fact is, it does - even in the maturest of democracies.

If your story about politicians being intimidated into switching sides is true then that is very worrying. Knowing your background however, my feeling is this could well be more red propoganda. Let's face it, most Thai politicians are not the sort of people who would stand up straight for their supposed principles in a light breeze. Potential for greater power and increased wealth is all it usually takes to win their favour, and my guess it was this weapon that won the day for the Democrats, far more than being caged in some five-star hotel. No different from what happened after the 2007 election when MPs who had campaigned on the promise of not getting into bed with the PPP, went and did exactly that.

When K. Thaksin won the elections on 2001 in a sweeping victory. Since he founded TRT in 1998 with some PDP members he bought MP's from various smaller parties in (mainly) North/North-East. Nice start for a popular PM who only just escaped justice (7 - 8 vote) in his 'honest mistake case' at that time. In the 2007 general elections a few parts of TRT/PPP/PTP stood as separate parties. Most of the current MP's were elected then.

[sevenhills]

Animatic

You need to get your facts straight on your first 2 points

He was elected 2 times in consecutive elections. (whether by vote buying which is irrelevant as all the parties are corrupt and open to bribes and vote payments).

He was the duly elected Prime minister at the time of the 2006 Coup (acting PM or not)

All your other facts are irrelevant.

HRM Has no option but to sign these types of documents when presented to him (Constitutional Monarch).

Edited September 5, 2010 by sevenhills

[sevenhills]

I thought Thaksin has said multiple times that he's retired from politics and just wants to return and live out his life in peace. But now he seems to be saying otherwise. If he wants to be a leader again, he needs to be more decisive.

And Anupong keeps saying that the army never get involved in politics. I could go on and on and on. Lying by high profile figures is quite normal. Get used to it.

The Army always gets involved in Politics. And lying is a pre-requisite to be in Politics, it's part of the culture.

[rubl]

Animatic

You need to get your facts straight on your first 2 points

He was elected 2 times in consecutive elections. (whether by vote buying which is irrelevant as all the parties are corrupt and open to bribes and vote payments).

He was the duly elected Prime minister at the time of the 2006 Coup

All your other facts are irrelevant.

HRM Has no option but to sign these types of documents when presented to him (Constitutional Monarch).

K. Thaksin had called snap elections in Feb'2006, elections to be held in April 2006, invalidated and new planned for end of the year. K. Thaksin was care-taker PM till the elections in April. No idea what legal status after, but certainly not PM. He stepped down voluntarily in February after only a bit more than a year. Tactics to confuse the raising voices against his dictatorial style.

[sevenhills]

Animatic

You need to get your facts straight on your first 2 points

He was elected 2 times in consecutive elections. (whether by vote buying which is irrelevant as all the parties are corrupt and open to bribes and vote payments).

He was the duly elected Prime minister at the time of the 2006 Coup

All your other facts are irrelevant.

HRM Has no option but to sign these types of documents when presented to him (Constitutional Monarch).

K. Thaksin had called snap elections in Feb'2006, elections to be held in April 2006, invalidated and new planned for end of the year. K. Thaksin was care-taker PM till the elections in April. No idea what legal status after, but certainly not PM. He stepped down voluntarily in February after only a bit more than a year. Tactics to confuse the raising voices against his dictatorial style.

Then why have a coup??

[way2muchcoffee]

Animatic

You need to get your facts straight on your first 2 points

He was elected 2 times in consecutive elections. (whether by vote buying which is irrelevant as all the parties are corrupt and open to bribes and vote payments).

He was the duly elected Prime minister at the time of the 2006 Coup

All your other facts are irrelevant.

HRM Has no option but to sign these types of documents when presented to him (Constitutional Monarch).

K. Thaksin had called snap elections in Feb'2006, elections to be held in April 2006, invalidated and new planned for end of the year. K. Thaksin was care-taker PM till the elections in April. No idea what legal status after, but certainly not PM. He stepped down voluntarily in February after only a bit more than a year. Tactics to confuse the raising voices against his dictatorial style.

Then why have a coup??

Because a few days after stepping down he changed his mind. At this point he was a usurper because he had already resigned the position.

[rubl]

Animatic

You need to get your facts straight on your first 2 points

He was elected 2 times in consecutive elections. (whether by vote buying which is irrelevant as all the parties are corrupt and open to bribes and vote payments).

He was the duly elected Prime minister at the time of the 2006 Coup

All your other facts are irrelevant.

HRM Has no option but to sign these types of documents when presented to him (Constitutional Monarch).

K. Thaksin had called snap elections in Feb'2006, elections to be held in April 2006, invalidated and new planned for end of the year. K. Thaksin was care-taker PM till the elections in April. No idea what legal status after, but certainly not PM. He stepped down voluntarily in February after only a bit more than a year. Tactics to confuse the raising voices against his dictatorial style.

Then why have a coup??

Now you start to ask the right questions. The coup was probably a reaction on K. Thaksin remaining as non-elected PM, pushing his own people and family into positions trying to control important offices, signs of dictatorial behaviour, suing the press for 'unkind' articles, the tax-free sales of Shinawatra holdings, details on amply rich, etc., etc. Many other reasons, you may list a few as well

[whybother]

Animatic

You need to get your facts straight on your first 2 points

He was elected 2 times in consecutive elections. (whether by vote buying which is irrelevant as all the parties are corrupt and open to bribes and vote payments).

He was the duly elected Prime minister at the time of the 2006 Coup (acting PM or not)

All your other facts are irrelevant.

HRM Has no option but to sign these types of documents when presented to him (Constitutional Monarch).

You can't be "duly elected" to "Acting PM".

[Siam Simon]

Horse trading in the process of forming a coalition government is very normal practice and has been going on since year dot. The business makes me very uncomfortable and i wish it didn't go on but the fact is, it does - even in the maturest of democracies.

If your story about politicians being intimidated into switching sides is true then that is very worrying. Knowing your background however, my feeling is this could well be more red propoganda. Let's face it, most Thai politicians are not the sort of people who would stand up straight for their supposed principles in a light breeze. Potential for greater power and increased wealth is all it usually takes to win their favour, and my guess it was this weapon that won the day for the Democrats, far more than being caged in some five-star hotel. No different from what happened after the 2007 election when MPs who had campaigned on the promise of not getting into bed with the PPP, went and did exactly that.

Yet again, the 'turn a blind eye' syndrome is in operation by one of the pro-Demo propagandists. How the current coalition was formed was well-documented at the time. Your faux shock/horror at what you think may have taken place is just plain bloody funny. "Knowing your background..." Yes, I post honest, independant, educated opinions. I saw through Thaksin the same as I see through all of the other corrupt <deleted> at the forefront of power. Why suck up to the current bunch of gangsters like you and others do on TV just because they replaced the last bunch of gangsters? It's pathetic. If you feel the need to use your expat voice, be honest and criticise all of the political scumbags: It's the least you can do for the downtrodden masses if you must insist in voicing political opinions. Why do you think the rest of the world is less than enthusiastic toward the Dem coalition/army government, and has no interest in arresting and extraditing a known crook? Hint: They know that the current lot are just as bad as him.