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When you see evil, have the guts to call it by it's real name: EVIL   :D

What is it with liberals and their need to deny the existence of evil?

Must be some kind of feel-good addiction that I don't understand. Look at me, I'm stepping over mangled, murdered innocents to reach out to the "downtrodden :o

"Liberals" *sigh* What are you, another american with the thinnest dictionary you can find at hand?

Do you even know what the word means? (Hint: It's not 'bleeding communist'.)

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I realize Mr T is as crooked as my path walking down Soi Cowboy,

  But Islam is the problem here....

  Read the Quran and you will see.

Don't be so freaking ingorant.

Have YOU ever read the Quran?

Before you ask: yes, I have read it, back to back, several times. Infact I have written a thiessis (*sp*) on it which recieved highest grade some years back.

I have also read the Bible back to back a number of times.

Do you really want to take an argument of which religion that has most blood on its hands?

I believe that most wars in history started out from religious beginnings.

for all the good that is supposely written in the "books" connected with all the different religions, they don't mean jack to me.

..because to me, people who practice religion are some of the biggest hypocrites in the world.

people who believe in religion get so caught up with which religion is the best that they are willing to inflict physical harm to others who argue with them on which religion is the best.

talk about crazy.

so, curious.... do you think saloman rushie should be murdered because of his translation of the koran?

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I realize Mr T is as crooked as my path walking down Soi Cowboy,

  But Islam is the problem here....

  Read the Quran and you will see.

Don't be so freaking ingorant.

Have YOU ever read the Quran?

Before you ask: yes, I have read it, back to back, several times. Infact I have written a thiessis (*sp*) on it which recieved highest grade some years back.

I have also read the Bible back to back a number of times.

Do you really want to take an argument of which religion that has most blood on its hands?

do you believe that a person who has read the koran is better than a person who hasn't?

just curious...

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so, curious....  do you think saloman rushie should be murdered because of his translation of the koran?

Who is your question directed too?

AFAIK Salman Rishdie didn't translate the Quran (...), he wrote about it and the priests like he saw it.

And no, no-one ever deserves to die from whatever they write. Just common sence.

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do you believe that a person who has read the koran is better than a person who hasn't?

just curious...

Jez...

Common sence would dictate that a person that have read it might know about its content then a person that haven't.

Do you understand that or should I take it slower?

The person above said the 'answers' to this problem was to be found in the Quran, wich ofcourse is false. Something he would have known if he would have read it or even talked to someone that have.

If blaim has to be passed, blame the priest that pevert it to their own agenda.

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so, curious....  do you think saloman rushie should be murdered because of his translation of the koran?

Who is your question directed too?

AFAIK Salman Rishdie didn't translate the Quran (...), he wrote about it and the priests like he saw it.

And no, no-one ever deserves to die from whatever they write. Just common sence.

I can't believe we agree on something.

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do you believe that a person who has read the koran is better than a person who hasn't?

just curious...

Jez...

Common sence would dictate that a person that have read it might know about its content then a person that haven't.

Do you understand that or should I take it slower?

The person above said the 'answers' to this problem was to be found in the Quran, wich ofcourse is false. Something he would have known if he would have read it or even talked to someone that have.

If blaim has to be passed, blame the priest that pevert it to their own agenda.

I agree with that.

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JemJem,  are you a liberal by any strange chance?

thx

nam

Ok...I shall go off the topic to answer your question....there could be several words/terms to describe my outlook but for the sake of convenience, I shall say that I am anti-nationalist, anti-racist (anti-bigotry) and humanist with an 'internationalist' outlook. Call it 'liberal' if you really want.

I know that there are other bigots amongst the forum members but you are the one CONTINUOUSLY expressing your anti-Muslim feelings and not differentiating between violence-loving fascist Islamists (most probably, they make less than 5 percent of the total no of Muslims) and anti-violence Muslims.

Enough said.

Jem

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Quran Surah 2: The Cow

Don't bother to warn the disbelievers. Allah has blinded them. Theirs will be an awful doom. 6

Allah has sickened their hearts. A painful doom is theirs because they lie. 10

A fire has been prepared for the disbelievers, whose fuel is men and stones. 24

Disbelievers will be burned with fire. 39, 90

For disbelievers is a painful doom. 104

For unbelievers: ignominy in this world, an awful doom in the next. 114

Allah will leave the disbelievers alone for a while, but then he will compel them to the doom of Fire. 126

The doom of the disbelievers will not be lightened. 162

They will not emerge from the Fire. 167

Those who hide the Scripture will have their bellies eaten with fire. Theirs will be a painful doom. 174

How constant are they in their strife to reach the Fire! 175

Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kil them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. 191

War is ordained by Allah. 216

Those who die in their disbelief will burn forever in the Fire. 217

Disbelievers worship false gods. They will burn forever in the Fire. 257

Allah does not guide disbelievers. 264

"Give us victory over the disbelieving folk." 286

Quran Surah 3: The Family Of 'Imran

Those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah, theirs will be a heavy doom. 4

Those who disbelieve will be fuel for the Fire. 10

Those who disbelieve shall be overcome and gathered unto ######. 12

Those who disbelieve, promise them a painful doom. 21

Theirs will be a painful doom. 77

All non-Muslims will be rejected by Allah after they die. 85

Disbelievers will have a painful doom. And they will have no helpers. 91

Disbelievers will have their faces blackened on the last day. They will face an awful doom. 105-6

Those who disbelieve will be burnt in the Fire. 116

The Fire is prepared for disbelievers. 131

We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Their habitation is the Fire 151

Theirs will be an awful doom. 176

Disbelievers do not harm Allah, but will have a painful doom. 177

Disbelievers will have a shamful doom. 178

Disbelievers will go to ######. 196

Quran Surah 4: Women

Those who disobey Allah and his messenger will be burnt with fire and suffer a painful doom. 14

For the disbelievers, We have prepared a painful doom. 18

For disbelievers, We prepare a shameful doom. 37

###### is sufficient for their burning. 55

Unbelievers will be tormented forever with fire. When their skin is burned off, a fresh skin will be provided. 56

Allah will bestow a vast reward on those who fight in religious wars. 74

Believers fight for Allah; disbelievers fight for the devil. So fight the minions of the devil. 76

Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 89

If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant. 91 ( Offering peace in Islam means surrendering. All 67 out of 68 wars of Muhammad were offensive. They are called qazwah (raid, ambush, sudden attack). That is how Muhammad waged his wars. He raided, massacred and looted civilians with no warning. The one defensive war, 'ditch' was not fought. That is why the Islamic terrorism 'jihad' will continue until the West "offers peace". This was made clear by Bin Laden.)

Those who oppose the messenger and become unbelievers will go to ######. 115

Those who believe, then disbelieve, then believe and disbelieve again will never be forgiven by Allah. 137

For the hypocrites there will be a painful doom. 138

Allah will gather hypocrites and disbelievers into ######. 140

The hypocrites will be in the lowest part of ###### and no one will help them there. 145

You must believe everything Allah and his messengers tell you. Those who don't are disbelievers and will face a painful doom. 150-151

For the disbelievers, Allah has prepared a painful doom. 161

God will guide disbelievers down a road that leads to everlasting ######. 168-169

Quran Surah 5: The Table Spread

Those who deny Islam will be losers in the Hereafter. 5

Disbelievers are the rightful owners of ######. 10

Those who make war with Allah and his messenger will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. That is how they will be treated in this world, and in the next they will have an awful doom. 33 (Anyone who resist Islam is deemed to be making war with Allah)

Disbelievers will have a painful doom. 36

Disbelievers will want to come out of the Fire, but will not. Their will be a lasting doom. 37

Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear, and tooth for tooth. Non-muslims are wrong doers. 45

Christians will be burned in the Fire. 72

Christians are wrong about the Trinity. For that they will have a painful doom. 73

Disbelievers will be owners of ######-fire. 86

Quran Surah 6: The Cattle

Many generations have been destroyed by Allah. 6

Allah will torment those who deny his revelations. 49

Those who disbelieve will be forced to drink boiling water, and will face a painful doom. 70

When nonbelievers die, the angels will deliver to them doom and degradation. 93

Allah chooses to lead some astray, and he lays ignominy on those who disbelieve. 125

Allah will send everyone the Fire, except those he chooses to deliver. 128

Quran Surah 7: The Heights

How many a township have We destroyed! As a raid by night, or while they slept at noon, Our terror came unto them. 4-5

Allah has made devils the protecting friends of disbeliveers. 27

Disbelievers choose devils as protecting friends and believe they are rightly guided. 30

Only believers go to heaven. 32

Disbelievers are the rightful owners of the Fire. 36

Entire nations have entered the Fire. Some get a double torment. 38

Disbelievers will be excluded from heaven. Theirs will be a bed of ######. 40-41

Those in the Fire will cry out to those in heaven, saying: "Pour water on us." But Allah has forbidden that to disbelievers. 50

Those who deny Muhammad's revelation are evil. 177

Quran Surah 8: The Spoils of War

Allah will throw fear into the hearts of the disbelievers, and smite their necks and fingers. 12

Disbelievers will be tormented in the Fire. 14

When you fight with disbelievers, do not retreat. Those who do will go to ######. 15-16

Taste of the doom because ye disbelieve. 35

Those who disbelieve will be gathered into ######. 36

The angels smite the face and backs of disbelievers, saying: "Taste the punishment of burning!" 50

The worst beasts in Allah's sight are the disbelievers. 55

Exhort the believers to fight. They will win easily, because disbelievers are without intelligence. 65

A prophet may not take captives until he has made a slaughter in the land. 67

Surah 9: Repentance

Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to those who disbelieve. 3

Slay the idolaters wherever you find them. 5

Don't let idolaters tend the sanctuaries. Their works are in vain and they will be burned in the Fire. 17

Give tiding of a painful doom to Christians and Jews. 34

If you refuse to fight, Allah will afflict you with a painful doom. 39

Disbelievers go to ######. 49

Those who vex the Prophet, for them there is a painful doom. 60

Those who oppose Allah and His messenger will burn in the fire of ######. 63

Allah promises hypocrites and disbelievers the fire of ######. Allah curses them. They will have a lasting torment. 68

Fight the disbelievers and hypocrites. Be harsh with them. They are all going to ###### anyway. 73

Allah will afflict disbelievers with a painful doom in this world and the Hereafter. 74

For disbelievers there will be a painful doom. 90

Don't pray for idolaters (not even for your family) after it is clear they are people of ######-fire. 113

Fight disbelievers who are near you, and let them see the harshness in you. 123

Quran Surah 10: Jonah

Disbelievers will have a boiling drink and a painful doom. 4

Those who neglect Allah's revelations will make their home in the Fire. 7-8

Allah has destoyed entire generations. 13

Those who disbelieved will face a dreadful doom. 70

Allah drowned those who disbelieved his revelations. 73

Moses asked Allah to harden the hearts of the Egyptians so that they would not believe until they saw the painful doom. 88

Quran Surah 11: Hud

Disbelievers wil1 end up in the Fire. 17

Those who oppose Islam and disbelieve in the Hereafter are guilty of the greatest wrong. 18-19

Those in the Fire will suffer as long as the heavens and earth endure. 106-7

Allah will fill ###### with humans and jinn. 119

Quran Surah 13: The Thunder

Disbelievers are the rightful owners of the Fire 5

Allah does not hear the prayer of disbelievers. 14

Those who do not answer Allah's call will go to ######. 18

Disbelievers will be tormented in this life, and suffer even more pain in the Hereafter. 33-34

The reward for disbelievers is the Fire. 35

Quran Surah 14: Abraham

Woe unto the disbelievers. Theirs will be an awful doom. 2

Allah sends some people astray. 4

Those who are in ###### will be forced to drink festering water which they can hardly swallow. They will want to die, but they will not be able to. Theirs is a harsh doom. 16-17

Allah sends wrong-doers astray. He does whatever he likes. 27

Those in ###### will be chained together. Their clothing will be made of pitch and fire will cover their faces. 49-50

Quran Surah 15: The Rock

Let the disbelievers enjoy life and let false hope beguile them. They will come to know! 2-3

Iblis will lead humans astray. Only perfect Muslims will be safe from him. The rest will go to ######. 39-43

Allah's doom is a dolorous doom. 50

Quran Surah 16: The Bee

Allah could have led everyone to the truth, but he chose not to. 9

Those who don't believe in the Hearafter are proud. 22

Disbelievers are evil and will dwell in ###### forever. 27-29

Disbelievers are liars. 39

Allah will add doom to doom for those who disbelieve. 88

Those who oppose Islam will face an awful doom. 94

Quran Surah 17: The Children of Israel

Allah made ###### to be a dungeon for disbelievers. 8

Allah has prepared a painful doom for those who disbelieve in the Hereafter. 10

Allah destroyed entire towns. 16

How many generations Allah has destroyed since Noah! 17

Allah intends to burn people in ######. 18

Allah makes it so that unbelievers cannot understand. 45-46

Allah will destroy every town before the Day of Resurrection. 58

Allah will send disbelievers astray. Then he'll burn them in ######, increasing the flames from time to time. 97-98

Quran Surah 18: The Cave

Allah has prepared a Fire for the disbelievers. When they want a shower, Allah will give them a shower of molten lead to burn their faces. 29

Those who are condemned to the Fire know they will have no way to escape. 53

The worst wrong is to forget Allah's revelations. Allah covers their hearts and makes them deaf so that they will never believe the truth. 57

There is an appointed time in which the doomed will find no escape. 58

Allah has destroyed many towns. 59

On a certain day, Allah will present ######, in plain view, to the disbelievers. 100

Allah will welcome the disbelievers into ######. 102

###### is the reward for disbelievers because they made a jest of Allah's revelations and messengers. 106

Quran Surah 19: Mary

Allah will pluck out from every sect those who should burn in ######. 69-70

Allah will record what disbelievers say and then prolong their torment. 77-79

Allah has sent the devils on the disbelievers to confuse them. 83

Allah has destroyed many generations. 98

Quran Surah 20: Ta Ha

Those who do not believe Allah's revelations will face doom in the Hereafter. 127

Allah has destroyed many generations. 128

Quran Surah 21: The Prophets

Allah destroyed entire towns, yet the people still disbelieved. 6

The people cried out for mercy, but Allah killed them anyway. 15

Disbelievers will not be able to put out the fire on their faces and backs. They will be stupefied and no one will help them. 39-40

Allah gave judgment and knowledge to Lot . He was a righteous man. (Genesis 19:7-38) 75

Every person alive at the time of the flood was evil. So Allah drowned them all. 77

The disbelievers will stare in terror at what Allah has in store for them. 97-99

Surah 22: The Pilgrimage

The devil will guide some to the punishment of the Flame. 3-4

Those who turn from the way of Allah will face ignominy in this world and burning in the next. 9

Whoever thinks that Allah will not give Muhammad victory should go hang himself. 15

Disbelievers will wear garments of fire, boiling fluid will be poured on their heads, their bellies and skin will be melted, they will be tormented with iron hooks, and when they try to escape they will be driven back with the taunt: Taste the doom of burning. 19-22

Allah will provide the disbelievers with a painful doom. 25

How many towns Allah has destroyed! 45

Those who disregard Allah's revelations are the owners of the Fire. 51

Those who disbelieve Allah's revelations will have a shameful doom. 57

Those who disbelieve Allah's revelations will burn in the Fire. 72

Quran Surah 23: The Believers

Allah told Noah not to bother pleading for the people he was about to drown. 27

Those who don't believe in the Hereafter will receive extreme punishment from Allah. 74-77

When fire burns their faces, they will be glum. 104

Disbelievers will not be successful. 117

Surah 24: The Light

Scourge adulterers and adulteresses with 100 stripes. Do not show them any pity. Have a party of believers watch the punishment. 2

Only adulterers can marry adulteresses. Believers are not to marry them. 3

Vile women are for vile men, and vile men for vile women. 26

Believing women must lower their gaze and be modest, cover themselves with veils, and not reveal themselves except to their husbands, relatives, children, and slaves. 31

Disbelievers are miscreants. 55

Disbelievers will never escape the Fire that will be their home. 57

It's okay for believers to own slaves. 58

The only true believers are those who believe in Allah and his messenger. 62

Quran Surah 25: The Criterion

Those who deny the coming of the Hour will be chained together and burned with fire. They will pray for their own destruction. 11-13

Allah will force the evil-doers to taste great torment. 19

It will be a hard day for disbelievers and wrong-doers. They will gnaw on their hands and wish they had chosen Islam. 26-27

Those who deny Muhammad's revelations will be destroyed. 36

Allah drowned everyone in the flood of Noah, and has prepared a painful doom for evil-doers. 37

Quran Surah 26: The Poets

Allah destroyed the people in Lot 's town with a dreadful rain. 172-3

Many will not believe until they see the painful doom. 201

Those who believe in another god are doomed. 213

Quran Surah 27: The Ant

Allah leads those who do not believe in the Hereafter astray by making things work out OK in this life, so that he can torment them forever in the next. They will get the worst punishment and will be the greatest losers. 4-5

"Allah destroyed them and their people, every one." 51

But he "saved those who believed." 53

Allah sent a dreadful rain on "those who stayed behind." 58

Whoever does something wrong will be thrown into the Fire. 90

Quran Surah 28: The Narrative

Allah has completely destroyed many communities. 58

Allah will taunt Christians on the day of their doom, saying: Where are My partners whom ye imagined? 62-64

Allah caused the earth to swallow Korah. 79-81

Never help disbelievers. 86 (Can Muslims in countries ruled in by non-Muslims be loyal to their country?)

Quran Surah 29: The Spider

Those who disbelieve in the revelations of Allah have no hope of mercy. For such there is a painful doom. 23

Only wrong-doers deny the revelations of Allah. 49

Those who disbelieve in the revelations of Allah are the losers. 52

The doom of ###### will come upon disbelievers suddenly, when they least expect it. 53-55

Quran Surah 30: The Romans

Allah will tear Christians apart for ascribing partners to him. 13-14

Disbelievers will be brought to doom. 16

It's OK to own slaves. 28

Allah does not love disbelievers. 45

Allah seals the heart of disbelievers. (And then he burns them in the Fire.) 59

Quran Surah 31: Luqman

Those who mislead others from Allah's way and mock Islam will have a painful doom. 6-7

Allah will give disbelievers a little comfort for a little while, and then he'll torment them forever with a heavy doom. 23-24

Quran Surah 32: The Prostration

Allah will fill ###### with the jinn and mankind together. 13

Allah: Taste the doom of immortality because of what ye used to do. 14

Those who used to deny the Fire will be tormented in it forever. 20

The worst thing you can do is to deny the revelations of Allah. 22

Quran Surah 33: The Clans

Don't obey disbelievers. 1 (Can Muslims in countries ruled in by non-Muslims be loyal to their country?)

Allah makes the deeds of unbelievers fruitless. 19

Allah cast panic into the hearts of the disbelievers. He killed some, and enslaved others. 25-26

Allah gave Zeyd’s wife, his own daughter in law to Muhammad in marriage. This was so that all Muslims would know that it's OK to marry your adopted son's ex-wife. 37

Ignore disbelievers and their poisonous talk. 48

It's OK to own slaves. 50

Allah says it is lawful for Muhammad to marry any women he wants. 50-51

It's OK to own slaves. 55

Those who malign Allah, Muhammad, and Muslims will be cursed by Allah in this life and with doom in the Hereafter. 57

Those who oppose Islam will be slain with a fierce slaughter. 60-61

Allah has cursed the disbelievers, and has prepared for them a flaming fire, wherein they will abide forever. 64-65

The disbelievers will be burned in the Fire with a double torment. 66-68

Quran Surah 34: Saba

Those who challenge the revelations of Muhammad will have a painful doom. 5

Those who disbelieve in the Hereafter will be tormented. 8

But some of the jinn Allah burned with flaming Fire. 12

Those who strive against Allah's revelations will be brought to the doom. 38

Those who worshipped the jinn will taste the doom of the Fire. 41

Allah hates those who ignore his messengers. 45

Those who are cast into ###### be terrified when they see that they have no escape. Then they will believe. But it will be too late. 51-52

Quran Surah 35: The Angels

Those who disbelieve will have an awful doom. 7

Allah sends whoever he wants astray. 8

Allah hates disbelievers. 26

Disbelievers will burn forever in the fire of ######. Allah will keep them alive so that he can torture them forever. When they repent and ask for mercy, he will ignore them. 36-7

He who disbelieves, his disbelief will be on his own head. 39

Allah has blinded the disbelievers so that they cannot see the truth. So it don't bother warning them.

Quran Surah 36: Ya Sin

They will go to ###### anyway. 8-10

Allah has destroyed many entire generations. 31

If Allah feels like it, he will drown everyone. 43

Allah will burn the disbelievers in ######. 63-4

Quran Surah 37: Those Who Set The Ranks

Those who refuse to believe in Muhammad's revelations will face a painful doom. 31-38

Those in ###### must eat from a tree with the heads of devils, and then drink boiling water. After that they return to ######. 62-68

Allah drowned everyone except Noah and his family in the flood. 82

Allah tells Abraham in a dream to sacrifice his son. (But is the son Ishmael or Isaac?) 102

Allah killed everyone in Sodom except for Lot and his family. 136

No one is against Allah, except those who burn in ######. 162-3

Quran Surah 38: Sad

Allah has destroyed many generations. 3

Those who doubt will soon taste Allah's doom. 8

Those who deny the messengers deserve doom. 14

Those who wander from the way of Allah will have an awful doom. 26

Those who disbelieve will burn in the Fire. 27

The transgressors will roast in the Fire and be forced to drink boiling liquids followed by ice cold drinks. 55-9

Iblis asks Allah to let him hang around and mislead humans. Allah allows him to do so, and Iblis leads all humans to ###### except for the single-minded slaves. Allah agrees, and plans to fill ###### with Iblis and his followers. 79-85

Quran Surah 39: The Troops

Tell the disbelievers to enjoy themselves now, because later they will be owners of the Fire. 8

The losers will be those who lose themselves and their families on the Day of Resurrection. They will be surrounded by fire. 15-16

No one will be able to help those that Allah torments in the Fire. 19

Woe unto those who forget Allah. They are in plain error. 22

Allah sends some people astray. For them there is no guide. 23

The worst thing you can do is tell a lie against Allah. The home of disbelievers is ######. 32

Allah sends some people astray. For them there is no guide. 36

Surrender to Allah before he sends the doom upon you suddenly. 54-55

Those who lie about Allah will be sent to ###### and will have their faces blackened. 60

Losers are those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah. 63

Those ascribe a partner to Allah (like the Christians) will be among the losers. 65

Those who disbelieve will be driven into ######. 71-72

Quran Surah 40: The Believer

Allah sent an awful punishment at the time of Noah. 5

Those who disbelieve are the owners of the Fire. 6

Allah greatly abhors those who disbelieve. 10

When the doom comes, the hearts of the doomed will choke in their throats, and no one will help them. 18

Those who ignore Allah's "clear proofs" will be seized and punished severely. 22

Those that Allah sends astray will have no helper or guide. 33

Allah deceives those who doubt. 34

The prodigals will be owners of the Fire. 43

The doomed will be exposed to the Fire morning and evening. 46

Those in ###### will beg to be relieved from the Fire's torment for just a day. But the prayer of a disbeliever is in vain. 49-50

Those who bicker about Allah's revelations are filled with pride. 56

Those who scorn Allah will go to ######. 60

Those who deny the revelations of Allah are perverted. 63

Those who deny the Scripture and Allah's messengers will be dragged through boiling water and thrust into the Fire. 70-72

Allah will taunt the Christians in ######, saying: Where are all my partners that you used to believe in? 73

Thus does Allah send astray the disbelievers (in his guidance). 74

Those who scorn will go to ######. 76

When they see Allah's doom they will believe in Allah. But their faith will not save them. The disbelievers will be ruined. 84-85

Quran Surah 41: Fusilat

Woe unto the idolaters who disbelieve in the Hereafter. 6

Allah will make life miserable for those who deny his revelations and then he will torment them forever in the Hereafter. And they will not be helped. 15-16

The enemies of Allah will be gathered into the Fire where their skin, ears, and eyes will testify against them. 19-20

Allah will make those who disbelieve taste an awful doom. Their immortal home will be the Fire, since they denied Allah's revelations. 27-28

Those who disbelieve will taste hard punishment. 50

Quran Surah 42: The Counsel

While some lounge in the Garden, others will roast in the Flame. 7

Those who argue about Allah will have his wrath upon them. Theirs will be an awful doom. 16

Allah sometimes kills people for misbehaving. 34

Allah sends some people astray and then punishes them for it by burning them in the Fire. 44-46

Allah makes some people barren. (Whenever he feels like it.) 50

Quran Surah 43: Ornaments of God

When the Egyptians angered Allah, he drowned them all. 55

Those who argue and do wrong will have a painful doom that will come upon them suddenly. 65-66

The guilty are tormented forever in ######. Allah will not relax their punishment. 74-75

Quran Surah 44: Smoke

Those in torment will claim to believe and ask Allah for relief. But he will refuse since they will return to their disbelief. 11-16

Those in ###### must eat from a tree like molten brass that burns their bellies. Then boiling water will be poured on their heads. 43-48

Quran Surah 45: Crouching

Those who hear and reject Allah's revelations are sinful liars. Give them tidings of a painful doom. 7-8

Those who joke about Allah's revelations will go to ######. Theirs will be an awful doom. 9-10

Those who disbelieve in Allah's revelations will have a painful doom of wrath. 11

Allah sends some people astray, making it impossible for them to hear or see. 23

Those who disbelieve are guilty folk. 31

Quran Surah 46: The Wind-Curved Sandals

Disbelievers will be rewarded with the ignominious doom of the Fire. 20

The guilty will face a wind with a painful torment. 25

Allah has destroyed entire towns. 27

Allah will taunt the disbelievers that he torments in the fire, saying: "Taste the doom for that ye disbelieved." 34

Quran Surah 47: Muhammad

Allah makes the works of disbelievers vain. 1

Those who disbelieve follow falsehood. 3

Smite the necks of the disbelievers whenever you fight against them. Those who die fighting for Allah will be rewarded. 4

Allah will ###### the disbelievers and make all their actions fruitless. 8-9

Disbelievers may eat and be happy now, but the Fire will be their final home. 12

Those in the Garden will drink delicious wine, while those in the Fire will drink boiling water that will tear apart their intestines. 15

Allah curses people by making them deaf and blind. 23

Angels will gather them together and smite their faces and backs. 27

Allah will make the actions those who disbelieve fruitless. 32

Those who disbelieve will never be pardoned by Allah. 34-35

Quran Surah 48: Victory

Those who think an evil thought concerning Allah will be cursed and sent to ###### by him. 6

Allah has prepared a flame for the disbelievers. 13

If you refuse to fight for Allah, he will punish you with a painful doom. 16-17

But if you're willing to fight for Allah, he will provide you with lots of booty. 19-20

Allah punished those who disbelieved with a painful punishment. 25

Those with Muhammad are ruthless toward disbelievers and merciful toward themselves. 29

Quran Surah 49: The Private Apartments

Do not lift your voice when in Muhammad's presence. Those who subdue their voices are righteous and will receive an immense reward from Allah. 1-3

Quran Surah 50: Oaf

Allah has destroyed many entire generations. 36

Quran Surah 51: The Winnowing Winds

Accursed are the conjecturers who ask: When is the Day of Judgment? It is the day they will be tormented by the Fire. 10-14

Woe to the disbelievers. 60

Quran Surah 52: The Mount

Those who deny the existence of ###### will be thrust into its Fire. 11-16

Those who disbelieve are trapped. 42

Quran Surah 54: The Moon

Allah sent a storm of stones on Lot's folk, killing all but Lot 's family. 34

The suffering in ###### will be more wretched and bitter than anything experienced on earth. 46-48

Allah destroyed many people, but does anyone remember anymore? 51

Quran Surah 55: The Beneficent

The guilty deny ######. But after they die they go circling between it and fierce, boiling water. 43-44

Quran Surah 56: The Event

But those on his left hand will face scorching wind, scalding water, and black smoke. 42-43

Those who deny Allah and the Hereafter will eat from the Zaqqum tree and drink boiling water. 51-54

Allah will welcome the rejecters and erring with boiling water and a roasting in the ###### fire. 92-94

Quran Surah 57: Iron

The home of disbelievers is the Fire, a hapless journey's end. 15

Those who disbelieve and deny Allah's revelations are the owners of the fire. 19

Quran Surah 58: She That Disputeth

For disbelievers is a painful doom. 4

For disbelievers is a shameful doom. 5

Don't make friends with Allah's enemies. For those who do so, Allah has prepared a dreadful doom. 14-15

Those who turn others away from the way of Allah will have a shameful doom. They are rightful owners of the Fire. 16-17

Those who oppose Allah and His Messenger will be among the lowest. 20

On the Last Day good Muslims will not love their non-Muslim friends and family members, not even their fathers, sons, or brothers (or their mothers, daughters, or sisters). 22

Quran Surah 59: Exile

Allah cast fear into the hearts of the disbelieving People of the Scripture. Their home in the Hereafter will be the Fire. 2-3

The disbelieving people of the Scripture are liars. 11

The devil and disbelievers will be in the Fire. 16-17

The owners of the Garden and the owners of the Fire are not equal. 20

Quran Surah 60: She That is to be Examined

Don't be friends with disbelievers. They are your (and Allah's) enemy. 1

Don't be friends with those who have warred against you because of religion. Whoever makes friends with them is a wrong-doer. 9

Don't be friends with those who disbelieve in the Hereafter. They are Allah's enemies. 13

Quran Surah 61: The Ranks

Allah loves those who fight for him. 4

Allah leads some people astray. 5

The worst thing you can do is tell a lie about Allah. 7

Quran Surah 62: The Congregation

A hypocritical Jew looks like an ass carrying books. Those who deny the revelations of Allah are ugly. 5

Quran Surah 63: The Hypocrites

Allah seals the hearts of those who believe and then disbelieve so that they can understand nothing. 3

Disbelievers are perverted. They are the enemy, confounded by Allah. 4

Don't bother to ask Allah to forgive the disbelievers. He will never forgive them. 6

Quran Surah 64: Mutual Disillusion

Those who disbelieve will have a painful doom. 5

Those who disbelieve are the owners of the Fire. 10

Quran Surah 66: Banning

Muhammad's wives need to be careful. If they criticize their husband, Allah will replace them with better ones. 5

The fuel of the Fire is men and stones. 6

Be stern with disbelievers. They are going to ###### anyway. 9

The wives of Noah and Lot (who were both righteous) betrayed their husbands and are now in the Fire. 10

Quran Surah67: The Sovereignty

Disbelievers will go to ###### where they will hear its roaring and boiling. 6-7

Who will protect the disbelievers from a painful doom? (Nobody) 28

Quran Surah 69: The Reality

Those who do not believe in Allah will be chained up and cast into ######-fire where they will eat filth. 30-35

Quran Surah 71: Noah

Those that Allah drowned in Noah's flood were then tortured forever in the Fire. 25

Noah asked Allah to drown all the disbelievers. 26

Quran Surah 72: The Jinn

The fires of ###### will be fueled with the bodies of idolators and unbelievers. They will experience an ever-greater torment. 15-17

Those who disobey Allah and his messenger will dwell forever in the fire of ######. 23

Quran Surah 73: The Enshrouded One

Allah will take care of the deniers. He will tie them up, burn them in a raging fire, and feed them food that chokes them. 11-13

Quran Surah 74: The Cloaked One

The last day will be a day of anguish for disbelievers. 9-10

Those who are stubborn to Allah's revelations will face a fearful doom. 16-17

The fire of ###### shrivels humans and spares nothing. 27-29

Allah has appointed angels to tend the Fire and has prepared stumbling blocks for those who disbelieve. He sends some people (whoever he wants) astray. 31

Allah is the font of fear. 56

Quran Surah 76: "Time" or "Man"

Allah has prepared chains, manacles, and a raging fire for the disbelievers. 4

Don't obey disbelievers. 24

Quran Surah 77: The Emissaries

Allah destroyed "the former folk." 16

Woe unto the repudiators on that day! 19, 24, 28, 34, 40, 45, 49

Quran Surah 79: "Those Who Drag Forth"

Those who rebel will go to ######. 37-39

Quran Surah 80: "He Frowned"

Disbelievers are wicked people. On the last day they will be in darkness and have dust on their faces. 40-42

Quran Surah 82: The Cleaving

The wicked will burn in ###### forever. 82

Quran Surah 84: The Sundering

Some folks will be thrown into a scorching fire. 11-12

Disbelievers will be given a painful doom. 22-24

Quran Surah 87: The Most High

Those who are flung into the great Fire will neither live nor die. 12-13

Quran Surah 88: The Overwhelming

On that day many will be sad and weary. Scorched by the fire, drinking boiling water, with only bitter thorn-fruit to eat. 2-7

Allah will punish disbelievers with the direst punishment. 23-24

Quran Surah 89: The Dawn

Allah poured on them the disaster of His punishment. 13

Quran Surah 90: The City

Those who disbelieve Allah's revelations will have the Fire placed over them like an awning. 19-20

Quran Surah92: The Night

Those who deny Allah's revelations must endure the flaming fire. 14-16

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Cutting misleading qoutes from a google-search doesn't count as 'reading'.

Btw, here is a hint: The ordering of the suras isn't cronological, it's per size. So when you cut one row of an sura in the high numbers it only shows how much other rows you left out.

Should be start posting qoutes manufactured like this from other sources now, or can we get back to the topic?

Edit: The numbering are of, but it might be 'cause it is in english...

But here is the complete Sura 2 for example.

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Surah 2. The Cow

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1. A.L.M.

2. This is the Book; in it is guidance sure, without doubt, to those who fear Allah.

3. Who believe in the Unseen, are steadfast in prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them;

4. And who believe in the Revelation sent to thee, and sent before thy time, and (in their hearts) have the assurance of the Hereafter.

5. They are on (true) guidance, from their Lord, and it is these who will prosper.

6. As to those who reject Faith, it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe.

7. Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur).

8. Of the people there are some who say: "We believe in Allah and the Last Day;" but they do not (really) believe.

9. Fain would they deceive Allah and those who believe, but they only deceive themselves, and realise (it) not!

10. In their hearts is a disease; and Allah has increased their disease: And grievous is the penalty they (incur), because they are false (to themselves).

11. When it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "Why, we only Want to make peace!"

12. Of a surety, they are the ones who make mischief, but they realise (it) not.

13. When it is said to them: "Believe as the others believe:" They say: "Shall we believe as the fools believe?" Nay, of a surety they are the fools, but they do not know.

14. When they meet those who believe, they say: "We believe;" but when they are alone with their evil ones, they say: "We are really with you: We (were) only jesting."

15. Allah will throw back their mockery on them, and give them rope in their trespasses; so they will wander like blind ones (To and fro).

16. These are they who have bartered Guidance for error: But their traffic is profitless, and they have lost true direction,

17. Their similitude is that of a man who kindled a fire; when it lighted all around him, Allah took away their light and left them in utter darkness. So they could not see.

18. Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path).

19. Or (another similitude) is that of a rain-laden cloud from the sky: In it are zones of darkness, and thunder and lightning: They press their fingers in their ears to keep out the stunning thunder-clap, the while they are in terror of death. But Allah is ever round the rejecters of Faith!

20. The lightning all but snatches away their sight; every time the light (Helps) them, they walk therein, and when the darkness grows on them, they stand still. And if Allah willed, He could take away their faculty of hearing and seeing; for Allah hath power over all things.

21. O ye people! Adore your Guardian-Lord, who created you and those who came before you, that ye may have the chance to learn righteousness;

22. Who has made the earth your couch, and the heavens your canopy; and sent down rain from the heavens; and brought forth therewith Fruits for your sustenance; then set not up rivals unto Allah when ye know (the truth).

23. And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant, then produce a Sura like thereunto; and call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides Allah, if your (doubts) are true.

24. But if ye cannot- and of a surety ye cannot- then fear the Fire whose fuel is men and stones,- which is prepared for those who reject Faith.

25. But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever).

26. Allah disdains not to use the similitude of things, lowest as well as highest. Those who believe know that it is truth from their Lord; but those who reject Faith say: "What means Allah by this similitude?" By it He causes many to stray, and many He leads into the right path; but He causes not to stray, except those who forsake (the path),-

27. Those who break Allah.s Covenant after it is ratified, and who sunder what Allah Has ordered to be joined, and do mischief on earth: These cause loss (only) to themselves.

28. How can ye reject the faith in Allah.- seeing that ye were without life, and He gave you life; then will He cause you to die, and will again bring you to life; and again to Him will ye return.

29. It is He Who hath created for you all things that are on earth; Moreover His design comprehended the heavens, for He gave order and perfection to the seven firmaments; and of all things He hath perfect knowledge.

30. Behold, thy Lord said to the angels: "I will create a vicegerent on earth." They said: "Wilt Thou place therein one who will make mischief therein and shed blood?- whilst we do celebrate Thy praises and glorify Thy holy (name)?" He said: "I know what ye know not."

31. And He taught Adam the nature of all things; then He placed them before the angels, and said: "Tell me the nature of these if ye are right."

32. They said: "Glory to Thee, of knowledge We have none, save what Thou Hast taught us: In truth it is Thou Who art perfect in knowledge and wisdom."

33. He said: "O Adam! Tell them their natures." When he had told them, Allah said: "Did I not tell you that I know the secrets of heaven and earth, and I know what ye reveal and what ye conceal?"

34. And behold, We said to the angels: "Bow down to Adam" and they bowed down. Not so Iblis: he refused and was haughty: He was of those who reject Faith.

35. We said: "O Adam! dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden; and eat of the bountiful things therein as (where and when) ye will; but approach not this tree, or ye run into harm and transgression."

36. Then did Satan make them slip from the (garden), and get them out of the state (of felicity) in which they had been. We said: "Get ye down, all (ye people), with enmity between yourselves. On earth will be your dwelling-place and your means of livelihood - for a time."

37. Then learnt Adam from his Lord words of inspiration, and his Lord Turned towards him; for He is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful.

38. We said: "Get ye down all from here; and if, as is sure, there comes to you Guidance from me, whosoever follows My guidance, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

39. "But those who reject Faith and belie Our Signs, they shall be companions of the Fire; they shall abide therein."

40. O Children of Israel! call to mind the (special) favour which I bestowed upon you, and fulfil your covenant with Me as I fulfil My Covenant with you, and fear none but Me.

41. And believe in what I reveal, confirming the revelation which is with you, and be not the first to reject Faith therein, nor sell My Signs for a small price; and fear Me, and Me alone.

42. And cover not Truth with falsehood, nor conceal the Truth when ye know (what it is).

43. And be steadfast in prayer; practise regular charity; and bow down your heads with those who bow down (in worship).

44. Do ye enjoin right conduct on the people, and forget (To practise it) yourselves, and yet ye study the Scripture? Will ye not understand?

45. Nay, seek ((Allah)'s) help with patient perseverance and prayer: It is indeed hard, except to those who bring a lowly spirit,-

46. Who bear in mind the certainty that they are to meet their Lord, and that they are to return to Him.

47. Children of Israel! call to mind the (special) favour which I bestowed upon you, and that I preferred you to all other (for My Message).

48. Then guard yourselves against a day when one soul shall not avail another nor shall intercession be accepted for her, nor shall compensation be taken from her, nor shall anyone be helped (from outside).

49. And remember, We delivered you from the people of Pharaoh: They set you hard tasks and punishments, slaughtered your sons and let your women-folk live; therein was a tremendous trial from your Lord.

50. And remember We divided the sea for you and saved you and drowned Pharaoh's people within your very sight.

51. And remember We appointed forty nights for Moses, and in his absence ye took the calf (for worship), and ye did grievous wrong.

52. Even then We did forgive you; there was a chance for you to be grateful.

53. And remember We gave Moses the Scripture and the Criterion (Between right and wrong): There was a chance for you to be guided aright.

54. And remember Moses said to his people: "O my people! Ye have indeed wronged yourselves by your worship of the calf: So turn (in repentance) to your Maker, and slay yourselves (the wrong-doers); that will be better for you in the sight of your Maker." Then He turned towards you (in forgiveness): For He is Oft- Returning, Most Merciful.

55. And remember ye said: "O Moses! We shall never believe in thee until we see Allah manifestly," but ye were dazed with thunder and lighting even as ye looked on.

56. Then We raised you up after your death: Ye had the chance to be grateful.

57. And We gave you the shade of clouds and sent down to you Manna and quails, saying: "Eat of the good things We have provided for you:" (But they rebelled); to us they did no harm, but they harmed their own souls.

58. And remember We said: "Enter this town, and eat of the plenty therein as ye wish; but enter the gate with humility, in posture and in words, and We shall forgive you your faults and increase (the portion of) those who do good."

59. But the transgressors changed the word from that which had been given them; so We sent on the transgressors a plague from heaven, for that they infringed (Our command) repeatedly.

60. And remember Moses prayed for water for his people; We said: "Strike the rock with thy staff." Then gushed forth therefrom twelve springs. Each group knew its own place for water. So eat and drink of the sustenance provided by Allah, and do no evil nor mischief on the (face of the) earth.

61. And remember ye said: "O Moses! we cannot endure one kind of food (always); so beseech thy Lord for us to produce for us of what the earth groweth, -its pot-herbs, and cucumbers, Its garlic, lentils, and onions." He said: "Will ye exchange the better for the worse? Go ye down to any town, and ye shall find what ye want!" They were covered with humiliation and misery; they drew on themselves the wrath of Allah. This because they went on rejecting the Signs of Allah and slaying His Messengers without just cause. This because they rebelled and went on transgressing.

62. Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

63. And remember We took your covenant and We raised above you (The towering height) of Mount (Sinai) : (Saying): "Hold firmly to what We have given you and bring (ever) to remembrance what is therein: Perchance ye may fear Allah."

64. But ye turned back thereafter: Had it not been for the Grace and Mercy of Allah to you, ye had surely been among the lost.

65. And well ye knew those amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath: We said to them: "Be ye apes, despised and rejected."

66. So We made it an example to their own time and to their posterity, and a lesson to those who fear Allah.

67. And remember Moses said to his people: "(Allah) commands that ye sacrifice a heifer." They said: "Makest thou a laughing-stock of us?" He said: "(Allah) save me from being an ignorant (fool)!"

68. They said: "Beseech on our behalf Thy Lord to make plain to us what (heifer) it is!" He said; "He says: The heifer should be neither too old nor too young, but of middling age. Now do what ye are commanded!"

69. They said: "Beseech on our behalf Thy Lord to make plain to us Her colour." He said: "He says: A fawn-coloured heifer, pure and rich in tone, the admiration of beholders!"

70. They said: "Beseech on our behalf Thy Lord to make plain to us what she is: To us are all heifers alike: We wish indeed for guidance, if Allah wills."

71. He said: "He says: A heifer not trained to till the soil or water the fields; sound and without blemish." They said: "Now hast thou brought the truth." Then they offered her in sacrifice, but not with good-will.

72. Remember ye slew a man and fell into a dispute among yourselves as to the crime: But Allah was to bring forth what ye did hide.

73. So We said: "Strike the (body) with a piece of the (heifer)." Thus Allah bringeth the dead to life and showeth you His Signs: Perchance ye may understand.

74. Thenceforth were your hearts hardened: They became like a rock and even worse in hardness. For among rocks there are some from which rivers gush forth; others there are which when split asunder send forth water; and others which sink for fear of Allah. And Allah is not unmindful of what ye do.

75. Can ye (o ye men of Faith) entertain the hope that they will believe in you?- Seeing that a party of them heard the Word of Allah, and perverted it knowingly after they understood it.

76. Behold! when they meet the men of Faith, they say: "We believe": But when they meet each other in private, they say: "Shall you tell them what Allah hath revealed to you, that they may engage you in argument about it before your Lord?"- Do ye not understand (their aim)?

77. Know they not that Allah knoweth what they conceal and what they reveal?

78. And there are among them illiterates, who know not the Book, but (see therein their own) desires, and they do nothing but conjecture.

79. Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from Allah," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby.

80. And they say: "The Fire shall not touch us but for a few numbered days:" Say: "Have ye taken a promise from Allah, for He never breaks His promise? or is it that ye say of Allah what ye do not know?"

81. Nay, those who seek gain in evil, and are girt round by their sins,- they are companions of the Fire: Therein shall they abide (For ever).

82. But those who have faith and work righteousness, they are companions of the Garden: Therein shall they abide (For ever).

83. And remember We took a covenant from the Children of Israel (to this effect): Worship none but Allah. treat with kindness your parents and kindred, and orphans and those in need; speak fair to the people; be steadfast in prayer; and practise regular charity. Then did ye turn back, except a few among you, and ye backslide (even now).

84. And remember We took your covenant (to this effect): Shed no blood amongst you, nor turn out your own people from your homes: and this ye solemnly ratified, and to this ye can bear witness.

85. After this it is ye, the same people, who slay among yourselves, and banish a party of you from their homes; assist (Their enemies) against them, in guilt and rancour; and if they come to you as captives, ye ransom them, though it was not lawful for you to banish them. Then is it only a part of the Book that ye believe in, and do ye reject the rest? but what is the reward for those among you who behave like this but disgrace in this life?- and on the Day of Judgment they shall be consigned to the most grievous penalty. For Allah is not unmindful of what ye do.

86. These are the people who buy the life of this world at the price of the Hereafter: their penalty shall not be lightened nor shall they be helped.

87. We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of apostles; We gave Jesus the son of Mary Clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the holy spirit. Is it that whenever there comes to you an apostle with what ye yourselves desire not, ye are puffed up with pride?- Some ye called impostors, and others ye slay!

88. They say, "Our hearts are the wrappings (which preserve Allah.s Word: we need no more)." Nay, Allah.s curse is on them for their blasphemy: Little is it they believe.

89. And when there comes to them a Book from Allah, confirming what is with them,- although from of old they had prayed for victory against those without Faith,- when there comes to them that which they (should) have recognised, they refuse to believe in it but the curse of Allah is on those without Faith.

90. Miserable is the price for which they have sold their souls, in that they deny (the revelation) which Allah has sent down, in insolent envy that Allah of His Grace should send it to any of His servants He pleases: Thus have they drawn on themselves Wrath upon Wrath. And humiliating is the punishment of those who reject Faith.

91. When it is said to them, "Believe in what Allah Hath sent down, "they say, "We believe in what was sent down to us:" yet they reject all besides, even if it be Truth confirming what is with them. Say: "Why then have ye slain the prophets of Allah in times gone by, if ye did indeed believe?"

92. There came to you Moses with clear (Signs); yet ye worshipped the calf (Even) after that, and ye did behave wrongfully.

93. And remember We took your covenant and We raised above you (the towering height) of Mount (Sinai): (Saying): "Hold firmly to what We have given you, and hearken (to the Law)": They said:" We hear, and we disobey:" And they had to drink into their hearts (of the taint) of the calf because of their Faithlessness. Say: "Vile indeed are the behests of your Faith if ye have any faith!"

94. Say: "If the last Home, with Allah, be for you specially, and not for anyone else, then seek ye for death, if ye are sincere."

95. But they will never seek for death, on account of the (sins) which their hands have sent on before them. and Allah is well-acquainted with the wrong-doers.

96. Thou wilt indeed find them, of all people, most greedy of life,-even more than the idolaters: Each one of them wishes He could be given a life of a thousand years: But the grant of such life will not save him from (due) punishment. For Allah sees well all that they do.

97. Say: Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel-for he brings down the (revelation) to thy heart by Allah.s will, a confirmation of what went before, and guidance and glad tidings for those who believe,-

98. Whoever is an enemy to Allah and His angels and apostles, to Gabriel and Michael,- Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith.

99. We have sent down to thee Manifest Signs (ayat); and none reject them but those who are perverse.

100. Is it not (the case) that every time they make a covenant, some party among them throw it aside?- Nay, Most of them are faithless.

101. And when there came to them an apostle from Allah, confirming what was with them, a party of the people of the Book threw away the Book of Allah behind their backs, as if (it had been something) they did not know!

102. They followed what the evil ones gave out (falsely) against the power of Solomon: the blasphemers Were, not Solomon, but the evil ones, teaching men Magic, and such things as came down at babylon to the angels Harut and Marut. But neither of these taught anyone (Such things) without saying: "We are only for trial; so do not blaspheme." They learned from them the means to sow discord between man and wife. But they could not thus harm anyone except by Allah.s permission. And they learned what harmed them, not what profited them. And they knew that the buyers of (magic) would have no share in the happiness of the Hereafter. And vile was the price for which they did sell their souls, if they but knew!

103. If they had kept their Faith and guarded themselves from evil, far better had been the reward from their Lord, if they but knew!

104. O ye of Faith! Say not (to the Messenger. words of ambiguous import, but words of respect; and hearken (to him): To those without Faith is a grievous punishment.

105. It is never the wish of those without Faith among the People of the Book, nor of the Pagans, that anything good should come down to you from your Lord. But Allah will choose for His special Mercy whom He will - for Allah is Lord of grace abounding.

106. None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?

107. Knowest thou not that to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth? And besides Him ye have neither patron nor helper.

108. Would ye question your Messenger as Moses was questioned of old? but whoever changeth from Faith to Unbelief, Hath strayed without doubt from the even way.

109. Quite a number of the People of the Book wish they could Turn you (people) back to infidelity after ye have believed, from selfish envy, after the Truth hath become Manifest unto them: But forgive and overlook, Till Allah accomplish His purpose; for Allah Hath power over all things.

110. And be steadfast in prayer and regular in charity: And whatever good ye send forth for your souls before you, ye shall find it with Allah. for Allah sees Well all that ye do.

111. And they say: "None shall enter Paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian." Those are their (vain) desires. Say: "Produce your proof if ye are truthful."

112. Nay,-whoever submits His whole self to Allah and is a doer of good,- He will get his reward with his Lord; on such shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

113. The Jews say: "The Christians have naught (to stand) upon; and the Christians say: "The Jews have naught (To stand) upon." Yet they (Profess to) study the (same) Book. Like unto their word is what those say who know not; but Allah will judge between them in their quarrel on the Day of Judgment.

114. And who is more unjust than he who forbids that in places for the worship of Allah, Allah.s name should be celebrated?-whose zeal is (in fact) to ruin them? It was not fitting that such should themselves enter them except in fear. For them there is nothing but disgrace in this world, and in the world to come, an exceeding torment.

115. To Allah belong the east and the West: Whithersoever ye turn, there is the presence of Allah. For Allah is all-Pervading, all-Knowing.

116. They say: "(Allah) hath begotten a son" :Glory be to Him.-Nay, to Him belongs all that is in the heavens and on earth: everything renders worship to Him.

117. To Him is due the primal origin of the heavens and the earth: When He decreeth a matter, He saith to it: "Be," and it is.

118. Say those without knowledge: "Why speaketh not Allah unto us? or why cometh not unto us a Sign?" So said the people before them words of similar import. Their hearts are alike. We have indeed made clear the Signs unto any people who hold firmly to Faith (in their hearts).

119. Verily We have sent thee in truth as a bearer of glad tidings and a warner: But of thee no question shall be asked of the Companions of the Blazing Fire.

120. Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion. Say: "The Guidance of Allah,-that is the (only) Guidance." Wert thou to follow their desires after the knowledge which hath reached thee, then wouldst thou find neither Protector nor helper against Allah.

121. Those to whom We have sent the Book study it as it should be studied: They are the ones that believe therein: Those who reject faith therein,- the loss is their own.

122. O Children of Israel! call to mind the special favour which I bestowed upon you, and that I preferred you to all others (for My Message).

123. Then guard yourselves against a-Day when one soul shall not avail another, nor shall compensation be accepted from her nor shall intercession profit her nor shall anyone be helped (from outside).

124. And remember that Abraham was tried by his Lord with certain commands, which he fulfilled: He said: "I will make thee an Imam to the Nations." He pleaded: "And also (Imams) from my offspring!" He answered: "But My Promise is not within the reach of evil-doers."

125. Remember We made the House a place of assembly for men and a place of safety; and take ye the station of Abraham as a place of prayer; and We covenanted with Abraham and Isma'il, that they should sanctify My House for those who compass it round, or use it as a retreat, or bow, or prostrate themselves (therein in prayer).

126. And remember Abraham said: "My Lord, make this a City of Peace, and feed its people with fruits,-such of them as believe in Allah and the Last Day." He said: "(Yea), and such as reject Faith,-for a while will I grant them their pleasure, but will soon drive them to the torment of Fire,- an evil destination (indeed)!"

127. And remember Abraham and Isma'il raised the foundations of the House (With this prayer): "Our Lord! Accept (this service) from us: For Thou art the All-Hearing, the All-knowing.

128. "Our Lord! make of us Muslims, bowing to Thy (Will), and of our progeny a people Muslim, bowing to Thy (will); and show us our place for the celebration of (due) rites; and turn unto us (in Mercy); for Thou art the Oft-Returning, Most Merciful.

129. "Our Lord! send amongst them an Messenger of their own, who shall rehearse Thy Signs to them and instruct them in scripture and wisdom, and sanctify them: For Thou art the Exalted in Might, the Wise."

130. And who turns away from the religion of Abraham but such as debase their souls with folly? Him We chose and rendered pure in this world: And he will be in the Hereafter in the ranks of the Righteous.

131. Behold! his Lord said to him: "Bow (thy will to Me):" He said: "I bow (my will) to the Lord and Cherisher of the Universe."

132. And this was the legacy that Abraham left to his sons, and so did Jacob; "Oh my sons! Allah hath chosen the Faith for you; then die not except in the Faith of Islam."

133. Were ye witnesses when death appeared before Jacob? Behold, he said to his sons: "What will ye worship after me?" They said: "We shall worship Thy Allah and the Allah of thy fathers, of Abraham, Isma'il and Isaac,- the one (True) Allah. To Him we bow (in Islam)."

134. That was a people that hath passed away. They shall reap the fruit of what they did, and ye of what ye do! Of their merits there is no question in your case!

135. They say: "Become Jews or Christians if ye would be guided (To salvation)." Say thou: "Nay! (I would rather) the Religion of Abraham the True, and he joined not gods with Allah."

136. Say ye: "We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we bow to Allah (in Islam)."

137. So if they believe as ye believe, they are indeed on the right path; but if they turn back, it is they who are in schism; but Allah will suffice thee as against them, and He is the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing.

138. (Our religion is) the Baptism of Allah. And who can baptize better than Allah. And it is He Whom we worship.

139. Say: Will ye dispute with us about Allah, seeing that He is our Lord and your Lord; that we are responsible for our doings and ye for yours; and that We are sincere (in our faith) in Him?

140. Or do ye say that Abraham, Isma'il Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes were Jews or Christians? Say: Do ye know better than Allah. Ah! who is more unjust than those who conceal the testimony they have from Allah. but Allah is not unmindful of what ye do!

141. That was a people that hath passed away. They shall reap the fruit of what they did, and ye of what ye do! Of their merits there is no question in your case:

142. The fools among the people will say: "What hath turned them from the Qibla to which they were used?" Say: To Allah belong both east and West: He guideth whom He will to a Way that is straight.

143. Thus, have We made of you an Ummat justly balanced, that ye might be witnesses over the nations, and the Messenger a witness over yourselves; and We appointed the Qibla to which thou wast used, only to test those who followed the Messenger from those who would turn on their heels (From the Faith). Indeed it was (A change) momentous, except to those guided by Allah. And never would Allah Make your faith of no effect. For Allah is to all people Most surely full of kindness, Most Merciful.

144. We see the turning of thy face (for guidance to the heavens: now Shall We turn thee to a Qibla that shall please thee. Turn then Thy face in the direction of the sacred Mosque: Wherever ye are, turn your faces in that direction. The people of the Book know well that that is the truth from their Lord. Nor is Allah unmindful of what they do.

145. Even if thou wert to bring to the people of the Book all the Signs (together), they would not follow Thy Qibla; nor art thou going to follow their Qibla; nor indeed will they follow each other's Qibla. If thou after the knowledge hath reached thee, Wert to follow their (vain) desires,-then wert thou Indeed (clearly) in the wrong.

146. The people of the Book know this as they know their own sons; but some of them conceal the truth which they themselves know.

147. The Truth is from thy Lord; so be not at all in doubt.

148. To each is a goal to which Allah turns him; then strive together (as in a race) Towards all that is good. Wheresoever ye are, Allah will bring you Together. For Allah Hath power over all things.

149. From whencesoever Thou startest forth, turn Thy face in the direction of the sacred Mosque; that is indeed the truth from the Lord. And Allah is not unmindful of what ye do.

150. So from whencesoever Thou startest forth, turn Thy face in the direction of the sacred Mosque; and wheresoever ye are, Turn your face thither: that there be no ground of dispute against you among the people, except those of them that are bent on wickedness; so fear them not, but fear Me; and that I may complete My favours on you, and ye May (consent to) be guided;

151. A similar (favour have ye already received) in that We have sent among you an Messenger of your own, rehearsing to you Our Signs, and sanctifying you, and instructing you in Scripture and Wisdom, and in new knowledge.

152. Then do ye remember Me; I will remember you. Be grateful to Me, and reject not Faith.

153. O ye who believe! seek help with patient perseverance and prayer; for Allah is with those who patiently persevere.

154. And say not of those who are slain in the way of Allah. "They are dead." Nay, they are living, though ye perceive (it) not.

155. Be sure we shall test you with something of fear and hunger, some loss in goods or lives or the fruits (of your toil), but give glad tidings to those who patiently persevere,

156. Who say, when afflicted with calamity: "To Allah We belong, and to Him is our return":-

157. They are those on whom (Descend) blessings from Allah, and Mercy, and they are the ones that receive guidance.

158. Behold! Safa and Marwa are among the Symbols of Allah. So if those who visit the House in the Season or at other times, should compass them round, it is no sin in them. And if any one obeyeth his own impulse to good,- be sure that Allah is He Who recogniseth and knoweth.

159. Those who conceal the clear (Signs) We have sent down, and the Guidance, after We have made it clear for the people in the Book,-on them shall be Allah.s curse, and the curse of those entitled to curse,-

160. Except those who repent and make amends and openly declare (the Truth): To them I turn; for I am Oft-returning, Most Merciful.

161. Those who reject Faith, and die rejecting,- on them is Allah.s curse, and the curse of angels, and of all mankind;

162. They will abide therein: Their penalty will not be lightened, nor will respite be their (lot).

163. And your Allah is One Allah. There is no god but He, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

164. Behold! in the creation of the heavens and the earth; in the alternation of the night and the day; in the sailing of the ships through the ocean for the profit of mankind; in the rain which Allah Sends down from the skies, and the life which He gives therewith to an earth that is dead; in the beasts of all kinds that He scatters through the earth; in the change of the winds, and the clouds which they Trail like their slaves between the sky and the earth;- (Here) indeed are Signs for a people that are wise.

165. Yet there are men who take (for worship) others besides Allah, as equal (with Allah.: They love them as they should love Allah. But those of Faith are overflowing in their love for Allah. If only the unrighteous could see, behold, they would see the penalty: that to Allah belongs all power, and Allah will strongly enforce the penalty.

166. Then would those who are followed clear themselves of those who follow (them) : They would see the penalty, and all relations between them would be cut off.

167. And those who followed would say: "If only We had one more chance, We would clear ourselves of them, as they have cleared themselves of us." Thus will Allah show them (The fruits of) their deeds as (nothing but) regrets. Nor will there be a way for them out of the Fire.

168. O ye people! Eat of what is on earth, Lawful and good; and do not follow the footsteps of the evil one, for he is to you an avowed enemy.

169. For he commands you what is evil and shameful, and that ye should say of Allah that of which ye have no knowledge.

170. When it is said to them: "Follow what Allah hath revealed:" They say: "Nay! we shall follow the ways of our fathers." What! even though their fathers Were void of wisdom and guidance?

171. The parable of those who reject Faith is as if one were to shout Like a goat-herd, to things that listen to nothing but calls and cries: Deaf, dumb, and blind, they are void of wisdom.

172. O ye who believe! Eat of the good things that We have provided for you, and be grateful to Allah, if it is Him ye worship.

173. He hath only forbidden you dead meat, and blood, and the flesh of swine, and that on which any other name hath been invoked besides that of Allah. But if one is forced by necessity, without wilful disobedience, nor transgressing due limits,- then is he guiltless. For Allah is Oft-forgiving Most Merciful.

174. Those who conceal Allah.s revelations in the Book, and purchase for them a miserable profit,- they swallow into themselves naught but Fire; Allah will not address them on the Day of Resurrection. Nor purify them: Grievous will be their penalty.

175. They are the ones who buy Error in place of Guidance and Torment in place of Forgiveness. Ah! what boldness (They show) for the Fire!

176. (Their doom is) because Allah sent down the Book in truth but those who seek causes of dispute in the Book are in a schism Far (from the purpose).

177. It is not righteousness that ye turn your faces Towards east or West; but it is righteousness- to believe in Allah and the Last Day, and the Angels, and the Book, and the Messengers; to spend of your substance, out of love for Him, for your kin, for orphans, for the needy, for the wayfarer, for those who ask, and for the ransom of slaves; to be steadfast in prayer, and practice regular charity; to fulfil the contracts which ye have made; and to be firm and patient, in pain (or suffering) and adversity, and throughout all periods of panic. Such are the people of truth, the Allah.fearing.

178. O ye who believe! the law of equality is prescribed to you in cases of murder: the free for the free, the slave for the slave, the woman for the woman. But if any remission is made by the brother of the slain, then grant any reasonable demand, and compensate him with handsome gratitude, this is a concession and a Mercy from your Lord. After this whoever exceeds the limits shall be in grave penalty.

179. In the Law of Equality there is (saving of) Life to you, o ye men of understanding; that ye may restrain yourselves.

180. It is prescribed, when death approaches any of you, if he leave any goods that he make a bequest to parents and next of kin, according to reasonable usage; this is due from the Allah.fearing.

181. If anyone changes the bequest after hearing it, the guilt shall be on those who make the change. For Allah hears and knows (All things).

182. But if anyone fears partiality or wrong-doing on the part of the testator, and makes peace between (The parties concerned), there is no wrong in him: For Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

183. O ye who believe! Fasting is prescribed to you as it was prescribed to those before you, that ye may (learn) self-restraint,-

184. (Fasting) for a fixed number of days; but if any of you is ill, or on a journey, the prescribed number (Should be made up) from days later. For those who can do it (With hardship), is a ransom, the feeding of one that is indigent. But he that will give more, of his own free will,- it is better for him. And it is better for you that ye fast, if ye only knew.

185. Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qur'an, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and judgment (Between right and wrong). So every one of you who is present (at his home) during that month should spend it in fasting, but if any one is ill, or on a journey, the prescribed period (Should be made up) by days later. Allah intends every facility for you; He does not want to put to difficulties. (He wants you) to complete the prescribed period, and to glorify Him in that He has guided you; and perchance ye shall be grateful.

186. When My servants ask thee concerning Me, I am indeed close (to them): I listen to the prayer of every suppliant when he calleth on Me: Let them also, with a will, Listen to My call, and believe in Me: That they may walk in the right way.

187. Permitted to you, on the night of the fasts, is the approach to your wives. They are your garments and ye are their garments. Allah knoweth what ye used to do secretly among yourselves; but He turned to you and forgave you; so now associate with them, and seek what Allah Hath ordained for you, and eat and drink, until the white thread of dawn appear to you distinct from its black thread; then complete your fast Till the night appears; but do not associate with your wives while ye are in retreat in the mosques. Those are Limits (set by) Allah. Approach not nigh thereto. Thus doth Allah make clear His Signs to men: that they may learn self-restraint.

188. And do not eat up your property among yourselves for vanities, nor use it as bait for the judges, with intent that ye may eat up wrongfully and knowingly a little of (other) people's property.

189. They ask thee concerning the New Moons. Say: They are but signs to mark fixed periods of time in (the affairs of) men, and for Pilgrimage. It is no virtue if ye enter your houses from the back: It is virtue if ye fear Allah. Enter houses through the proper doors: And fear Allah. That ye may prosper.

190. Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.

191. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.

192. But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

193. And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah. but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.

194. The prohibited month for the prohibited month,- and so for all things prohibited,- there is the law of equality. If then any one transgresses the prohibition against you, Transgress ye likewise against him. But fear Allah, and know that Allah is with those who restrain themselves.

195. And spend of your substance in the cause of Allah, and make not your own hands contribute to (your) destruction; but do good; for Allah loveth those who do good.

196. And complete the Hajj or 'umra in the service of Allah. But if ye are prevented (From completing it), send an offering for sacrifice, such as ye may find, and do not shave your heads until the offering reaches the place of sacrifice. And if any of you is ill, or has an ailment in his scalp, (Necessitating shaving), (He should) in compensation either fast, or feed the poor, or offer sacrifice; and when ye are in peaceful conditions (again), if any one wishes to continue the 'umra on to the hajj, He must make an offering, such as he can afford, but if he cannot afford it, He should fast three days during the hajj and seven days on his return, Making ten days in all. This is for those whose household is not in (the precincts of) the Sacred Mosque. And fear Allah, and know that Allah Is strict in punishment.

197. For Hajj are the months well known. If any one undertakes that duty therein, Let there be no obscenity, nor wickedness, nor wrangling in the Hajj. And whatever good ye do, (be sure) Allah knoweth it. And take a provision (With you) for the journey, but the best of provisions is right conduct. So fear Me, o ye that are wise.

198. It is no crime in you if ye seek of the bounty of your Lord (during pilgrimage). Then when ye pour down from (Mount) Arafat, celebrate the praises of Allah at the Sacred Monument, and celebrate His praises as He has directed you, even though, before this, ye went astray.

199. Then pass on at a quick pace from the place whence it is usual for the multitude so to do, and ask for Allah.s forgiveness. For Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

200. So when ye have accomplished your holy rites, celebrate the praises of Allah, as ye used to celebrate the praises of your fathers,- yea, with far more Heart and soul. There are men who say: "Our Lord! Give us (Thy bounties) in this world!" but they will have no portion in the Hereafter.

201. And there are men who say: "Our Lord! Give us good in this world and good in the Hereafter, and defend us from the torment of the Fire!"

202. To these will be allotted what they have earned; and Allah is quick in account.

203. Celebrate the praises of Allah during the Appointed Days. But if any one hastens to leave in two days, there is no blame on him, and if any one stays on, there is no blame on him, if his aim is to do right. Then fear Allah, and know that ye will surely be gathered unto Him.

204. There is the type of man whose speech about this world's life May dazzle thee, and he calls Allah to witness about what is in his heart; yet is he the most contentious of enemies.

205. When he turns his back, His aim everywhere is to spread mischief through the earth and destroy crops and cattle. But Allah loveth not mischief.

206. When it is said to him, "Fear Allah., He is led by arrogance to (more) crime. Enough for him is ######;-An evil bed indeed (To lie on)!

207. And there is the type of man who gives his life to earn the pleasure of Allah. And Allah is full of kindness to (His) devotees.

208. O ye who believe! Enter into Islam whole-heartedly; and follow not the footsteps of the evil one; for he is to you an avowed enemy.

209. If ye backslide after the clear (Signs) have come to you, then know that Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.

210. Will they wait until Allah comes to them in canopies of clouds, with angels (in His train) and the question is (thus) settled? but to Allah do all questions go back (for decision).

211. Ask the Children of Israel how many clear (Signs) We have sent them. But if any one, after Allah.s favour has come to him, substitutes (something else), Allah is strict in punishment.

212. The life of this world is alluring to those who reject faith, and they scoff at those who believe. But the righteous will be above them on the Day of Resurrection; for Allah bestows His abundance without measure on whom He will.

213. Mankind was one single nation, and Allah sent Messengers with glad tidings and warnings; and with them He sent the Book in truth, to judge between people in matters wherein they differed; but the People of the Book, after the clear Signs came to them, did not differ among themselves, except through selfish contumacy. Allah by His Grace Guided the believers to the Truth, concerning that wherein they differed. For Allah guided whom He will to a path that is straight.

214. Or do ye think that ye shall enter the Garden (of bliss) without such (trials) as came to those who passed away before you? they encountered suffering and adversity, and were so shaken in spirit that even the Messenger and those of faith who were with him cried: "When (will come) the help of Allah." Ah! Verily, the help of Allah is (always) near!

215. They ask thee what they should spend (In charity). Say: Whatever ye spend that is good, is for parents and kindred and orphans and those in want and for wayfarers. And whatever ye do that is good, -(Allah) knoweth it well.

216. Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.

217. They ask thee concerning fighting in the Prohibited Month. Say: "Fighting therein is a grave (offence); but graver is it in the sight of Allah to prevent access to the path of Allah, to deny Him, to prevent access to the Sacred Mosque, and drive out its members." Tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter. Nor will they cease fighting you until they turn you back from your faith if they can. And if any of you Turn back from their faith and die in unbelief, their works will bear no fruit in this life and in the Hereafter; they will be companions of the Fire and will abide therein.

218. Those who believed and those who suffered exile and fought (and strove and struggled) in the path of Allah,- they have the hope of the Mercy of Allah. And Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

219. They ask thee concerning wine and gambling. Say: "In them is great sin, and some profit, for men; but the sin is greater than the profit." They ask thee how much they are to spend; Say: "What is beyond your needs." Thus doth Allah Make clear to you His Signs: In order that ye may consider-

220. (Their bearings) on this life and the Hereafter. They ask thee concerning orphans. Say: "The best thing to do is what is for their good; if ye mix their affairs with yours, they are your brethren; but Allah knows the man who means mischief from the man who means good. And if Allah had wished, He could have put you into difficulties: He is indeed Exalted in Power, Wise."

221. Do not marry unbelieving women (idolaters), until they believe: A slave woman who believes is better than an unbelieving woman, even though she allures you. Nor marry (your girls) to unbelievers until they believe: A man slave who believes is better than an unbeliever, even though he allures you. Unbelievers do (but) beckon you to the Fire. But Allah beckons by His Grace to the Garden (of bliss) and forgiveness, and makes His Signs clear to mankind: That they may celebrate His praise.

222. They ask thee concerning women's courses. Say: They are a hurt and a pollution: So keep away from women in their courses, and do not approach them until they are clean. But when they have purified themselves, ye may approach them in any manner, time, or place ordained for you by Allah. For Allah loves those who turn to Him constantly and He loves those who keep themselves pure and clean.

223. Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will; but do some good act for your souls beforehand; and fear Allah. And know that ye are to meet Him (in the Hereafter), and give (these) good tidings to those who believe.

224. And make not Allah.s (name) an excuse in your oaths against doing good, or acting rightly, or making peace between persons; for Allah is One Who heareth and knoweth all things.

225. Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts; and He is Oft-forgiving, Most Forbearing.

226. For those who take an oath for abstention from their wives, a waiting for four months is ordained; if then they return, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

227. But if their intention is firm for divorce, Allah heareth and knoweth all things.

228. Divorced women shall wait concerning themselves for three monthly periods. Nor is it lawful for them to hide what Allah Hath created in their wombs, if they have faith in Allah and the Last Day. And their husbands have the better right to take them back in that period, if they wish for reconciliation. And women shall have rights similar to the rights against them, according to what is equitable; but men have a degree (of advantage) over them. And Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.

229. A divorce is only permissible twice: after that, the parties should either hold Together on equitable terms, or separate with kindness. It is not lawful for you, (Men), to take back any of your gifts (from your wives), except when both parties fear that they would be unable to keep the limits ordained by Allah. If ye (judges) do indeed fear that they would be unable to keep the limits ordained by Allah, there is no blame on either of them if she give something for her freedom. These are the limits ordained by Allah. so do not transgress them if any do transgress the limits ordained by Allah, such persons wrong (Themselves as well as others).

230. So if a husband divorces his wife (irrevocably), He cannot, after that, re-marry her until after she has married another husband and He has divorced her. In that case there is no blame on either of them if they re-unite, provided they feel that they can keep the limits ordained by Allah. Such are the limits ordained by Allah, which He makes plain to those who understand.

231. When ye divorce women, and they fulfil the term of their ('Iddat), either take them back on equitable terms or set them free on equitable terms; but do not take them back to injure them, (or) to take undue advantage; if any one does that; He wrongs his own soul. Do not treat Allah.s Signs as a jest, but solemnly rehearse Allah.s favours on you, and the fact that He sent down to you the Book and Wisdom, for your instruction. And fear Allah, and know that Allah is well acquainted with all things.

232. When ye divorce women, and they fulfil the term of their ('Iddat), do not prevent them from marrying their (former) husbands, if they mutually agree on equitable terms. This instruction is for all amongst you, who believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is (the course Making for) most virtue and purity amongst you and Allah knows, and ye know not.

233. The mothers shall give such to their offspring for two whole years, if the father desires to complete the term. But he shall bear the cost of their food and clothing on equitable terms. No soul shall have a burden laid on it greater than it can bear. No mother shall be Treated unfairly on account of her child. Nor father on account of his child, an heir shall be chargeable in the same way. If they both decide on weaning, by mutual consent, and after due consultation, there is no blame on them. If ye decide on a foster-mother for your offspring, there is no blame on you, provided ye pay (the mother) what ye offered, on equitable terms. But fear Allah and know that Allah sees well what ye do.

234. If any of you die and leave widows behind, they shall wait concerning themselves four months and ten days: When they have fulfilled their term, there is no blame on you if they dispose of themselves in a just and reasonable manner. And Allah is well acquainted with what ye do.

235. There is no blame on you if ye make an offer of betrothal or hold it in your hearts. Allah knows that ye cherish them in your hearts: But do not make a secret contract with them except in terms Honourable, nor resolve on the tie of marriage till the term prescribed is fulfilled. And know that Allah Knoweth what is in your hearts, and take heed of Him; and know that Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Forbearing.

236. There is no blame on you if ye divorce women before consummation or the fixation of their dower; but bestow on them (A suitable gift), the wealthy according to his means, and the poor according to his means;- A gift of a reasonable amount is due from those who wish to do the right thing.

237. And if ye divorce them before consummation, but after the fixation of a dower for them, then the half of the dower (Is due to them), unless they remit it or (the man's half) is remitted by him in whose hands is the marriage tie; and the remission (of the man's half) is the nearest to righteousness. And do not forget Liberality between yourselves. For Allah sees well all that ye do.

238. Guard strictly your (habit of) prayers, especially the Middle Prayer; and stand before Allah in a devout (frame of mind).

239. If ye fear (an enemy), pray on foot, or riding, (as may be most convenient), but when ye are in security, celebrate Allah.s praises in the manner He has taught you, which ye knew not (before).

240. Those of you who die and leave widows should bequeath for their widows a year's maintenance and residence; but if they leave (The residence), there is no blame on you for what they do with themselves, provided it is reasonable. And Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.

241. For divorced women Maintenance (should be provided) on a reasonable (scale). This is a duty on the righteous.

242. Thus doth Allah Make clear His Signs to you: In order that ye may understand.

243. Didst thou not Turn by vision to those who abandoned their homes, though they were thousands (In number), for fear of death? Allah said to them: "Die": Then He restored them to life. For Allah is full of bounty to mankind, but Most of them are ungrateful.

244. Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things.

245. Who is he that will loan to Allah a beautiful loan, which Allah will double unto his credit and multiply many times? It is Allah that giveth (you) Want or plenty, and to Him shall be your return.

246. Hast thou not Turned thy vision to the Chiefs of the Children of Israel after (the time of) Moses? they said to a prophet (That was) among them: "Appoint for us a king, that we May fight in the cause of Allah." He said: "Is it not possible, if ye were commanded to fight, that that ye will not fight?" They said: "How could we refuse to fight in the cause of Allah, seeing that we were turned out of our homes and our families?" but when they were commanded to fight, they turned back, except a small band among them. But Allah Has full knowledge of those who do wrong.

247. Their Prophet said to them: "(Allah) hath appointed Talut as king over you." They said: "How can he exercise authority over us when we are better fitted than he to exercise authority, and he is not even gifted, with wealth in abundance?" He said: "(Allah) hath Chosen him above you, and hath gifted him abundantly with knowledge and bodily prowess: Allah Granteth His authority to whom He pleaseth. Allah careth for all, and He knoweth all things."

248. And (further) their Prophet said to them: "A Sign of his authority is that there shall come to you the Ark of the covenant, with (an assurance) therein of security from your Lord, and the relics left by the family of Moses and the family of Aaron, carried by angels. In this is a symbol for you if ye indeed have faith."

249. When Talut set forth with the armies, he said: "(Allah) will test you at the stream: if any drinks of its water, He goes not with my army: Only those who taste not of it go with me: A mere sip out of the hand is excused." but they all drank of it, except a few. When they crossed the river,- He and the faithful ones with him,- they said: "This day We cannot cope with Goliath and his forces." but those who were convinced that they must meet Allah, said: "How oft, by Allah.s will, Hath a small force vanquished a big one? Allah is with those who steadfastly persevere."

250. When they advanced to meet Goliath and his forces, they prayed: "Our Lord! Pour out constancy on us and make our steps firm: Help us against those that reject faith."

251. By Allah.s will they routed them; and David slew Goliath; and Allah gave him power and wisdom and taught him whatever (else) He willed. And did not Allah Check one set of people by means of another, the earth would indeed be full of mischief: But Allah is full of bounty to all the worlds.

252. These are the Signs of Allah. we rehearse them to thee in truth: verily Thou art one of the apostles.

253. Those apostles We endowed with gifts, some above others: To one of them Allah spoke; others He raised to degrees (of honour); to Jesus the son of Mary We gave clear (Signs), and strengthened him with the holy spirit. If Allah had so willed, succeeding generations would not have fought among each other, after clear (Signs) had come to them, but they (chose) to wrangle, some believing and others rejecting. If Allah had so willed, they would not have fought each other; but Allah Fulfilleth His plan.

254. O ye who believe! Spend out of (the bounties) We have provided for you, before the Day comes when no bargaining (Will avail), nor friendship nor intercession. Those who reject Faith they are the wrong-doers.

255. Allah. There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him nor sleep. His are all things in the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitteth? He knoweth what (appeareth to His creatures as) before or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of His knowledge except as He willeth. His Throne doth extend over the heavens and the earth, and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving them for He is the Most High, the Supreme (in glory).

256. Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.

257. Allah is the Protector of those who have faith: from the depths of darkness He will lead them forth into light. Of those who reject faith the patrons are the evil ones: from light they will lead them forth into the depths of darkness. They will be companions of the fire, to dwell therein (For ever).

258. Hast thou not Turned thy vision to one who disputed with Abraham About his Lord, because Allah had granted him power? Abraham said: "My Lord is He Who Giveth life and death." He said: "I give life and death". Said Abraham: "But it is Allah that causeth the sun to rise from the east: Do thou then cause him to rise from the West." Thus was he confounded who (in arrogance) rejected faith. Nor doth Allah Give guidance to a people unjust.

259. Or (take) the similitude of one who passed by a hamlet, all in ruins to its roofs. He said: "Oh! how shall Allah bring it (ever) to life, after (this) its death?" but Allah caused him to die for a hundred years, then raised him up (again). He said: "How long didst thou tarry (thus)?" He said: (Perhaps) a day or part of a day." He said: "Nay, thou hast tarried thus a hundred years; but look at thy food and thy drink; they show no signs of age; and look at thy donkey: And that We may make of thee a sign unto the people, Look further at the bones, how We bring them together and clothe them with flesh." When this was shown clearly to him, he said: "I know that Allah hath power over all things."

260. Behold! Abraham said: "My Lord! Show me how Thou givest life to the dead." He said: "Dost thou not then believe?" He said: "Yea! but to satisfy My own undertaking." He said: "Take four birds; Tame them to turn to thee; put a portion of them on every hill and call to them: They will come to thee (Flying) with speed. Then know that Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise."

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261. The parable of those who spend their substance in the way of Allah is that of a grain of corn: it groweth seven ears, and each ear Hath a hundred grains. Allah giveth manifold increase to whom He pleaseth: And Allah careth for all and He knoweth all things.

262. Those who spend their substance in the cause of Allah, and follow not up their gifts with reminders of their generosity or with injury,-for them their reward is with their Lord: on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

263. Kind words and the covering of faults are better than charity followed by injury. Allah is free of all wants, and He is Most-Forbearing.

264. O ye who believe! cancel not your charity by reminders of your generosity or by injury,- like those who spend their substance to be seen of men, but believe neither in Allah nor in the Last Day. They are in parable like a hard, barren rock, on which is a little soil: on it falls heavy rain, which leaves it (Just) a bare stone. They will be able to do nothing with aught they have earned. And Allah guideth not those who reject faith.

265. And the likeness of those who spend their substance, seeking to please Allah and to strengthen their souls, is as a garden, high and fertile: heavy rain falls on it but makes it yield a double increase of harvest, and if it receives not Heavy rain, light moisture sufficeth it. Allah seeth well whatever ye do.

266. Does any of you wish that he should have a garden with date-palms and vines and streams flowing underneath, and all kinds of fruit, while he is stricken with old age, and his children are not strong (enough to look after themselves)- that it should be caught in a whirlwind, with fire therein, and be burnt up? Thus doth Allah make clear to you (His) Signs; that ye may consider.

267. O ye who believe! Give of the good things which ye have (honourably) earned, and of the fruits of the earth which We have produced for you, and do not even aim at getting anything which is bad, in order that out of it ye may give away something, when ye yourselves would not receive it except with closed eyes. And know that Allah is Free of all wants, and worthy of all praise.

268. The Evil one threatens you with poverty and bids you to conduct unseemly. Allah promiseth you His forgiveness and bounties. And Allah careth for all and He knoweth all things.

269. He granteth wisdom to whom He pleaseth; and he to whom wisdom is granted receiveth indeed a benefit overflowing; but none will grasp the Message but men of understanding.

270. And whatever ye spend in charity or devotion, be sure Allah knows it all. But the wrong-doers have no helpers.

271. If ye disclose (acts of) charity, even so it is well, but if ye conceal them, and make them reach those (really) in need, that is best for you: It will remove from you some of your (stains of) evil. And Allah is well acquainted with what ye do.

272. It is not required of thee (O Messenger., to set them on the right path, but Allah sets on the right path whom He pleaseth. Whatever of good ye give benefits your own souls, and ye shall only do so seeking the "Face" of Allah. Whatever good ye give, shall be rendered back to you, and ye shall not Be dealt with unjustly.

273. (Charity is) for those in need, who, in Allah.s cause are restricted (from travel), and cannot move about in the land, seeking (For trade or work): the ignorant man thinks, because of their modesty, that they are free from want. Thou shalt know them by their (Unfailing) mark: They beg not importunately from all the sundry. And whatever of good ye give, be assured Allah knoweth it well.

274. Those who (in charity) spend of their goods by night and by day, in secret and in public, have their reward with their Lord: on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

275. Those who devour usury will not stand except as stand one whom the Evil one by his touch Hath driven to madness. That is because they say: "Trade is like usury," but Allah hath permitted trade and forbidden usury. Those who after receiving direction from their Lord, desist, shall be pardoned for the past; their case is for Allah (to judge); but those who repeat (The offence) are companions of the Fire: They will abide therein (for ever).

276. Allah will deprive usury of all blessing, but will give increase for deeds of charity: For He loveth not creatures ungrateful and wicked.

277. Those who believe, and do deeds of righteousness, and establish regular prayers and regular charity, will have their reward with their Lord: on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

278. O ye who believe! Fear Allah, and give up what remains of your demand for usury, if ye are indeed believers.

279. If ye do it not, Take notice of war from Allah and His Messenger. But if ye turn back, ye shall have your capital sums: Deal not unjustly, and ye shall not be dealt with unjustly.

280. If the debtor is in a difficulty, grant him time Till it is easy for him to repay. But if ye remit it by way of charity, that is best for you if ye only knew.

281. And fear the Day when ye shall be brought back to Allah. Then shall every soul be paid what it earned, and none shall be dealt with unjustly.

282. O ye who believe! When ye deal with each other, in transactions involving future obligations in a fixed period of time, reduce them to writing Let a scribe write down faithfully as between the parties: let not the scribe refuse to write: as Allah Has taught him, so let him write. Let him who incurs the liability dictate, but let him fear His Lord Allah, and not diminish aught of what he owes. If they party liable is mentally deficient, or weak, or unable Himself to dictate, Let his guardian dictate faithfully, and get two witnesses, out of your own men, and if there are not two men, then a man and two women, such as ye choose, for witnesses, so that if one of them errs, the other can remind her. The witnesses should not refuse when they are called on (For evidence). Disdain not to reduce to writing (your contract) for a future period, whether it be small or big: it is juster in the sight of Allah, More suitable as evidence, and more convenient to prevent doubts among yourselves but if it be a transaction which ye carry out on the spot among yourselves, there is no blame on you if ye reduce it not to writing. But take witness whenever ye make a commercial contract; and let neither scribe nor witness suffer harm. If ye do (such harm), it would be wickedness in you. So fear Allah. For it is Good that teaches you. And Allah is well acquainted with all things. If ye are on a journey, and cannot find a scribe, a pledge with possession (may serve the purpose). And if one of you deposits a thing on trust with another, let the trustee (faithfully) discharge his trust, and let him Fear his Lord conceal not evidence; for whoever conceals it, - his heart is tainted with sin. And Allah knoweth all that ye do.

283. If ye are on a journey, and cannot find a scribe, a pledge with possession (may serve the purpose). And if one of you deposits a thing on trust with another, Let the trustee (Faithfully) discharge His trust, and let him fear his Lord. Conceal not evidence; for whoever conceals it,- His heart is tainted with sin. And Allah Knoweth all that ye do.

284. To Allah belongeth all that is in the heavens and on earth. Whether ye show what is in your minds or conceal it, Allah Calleth you to account for it. He forgiveth whom He pleaseth, and punisheth whom He pleaseth, for Allah hath power over all things.

285. The Messenger believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one (of them) believeth in Allah, His angels, His books, and His apostles. "We make no distinction (they say) between one and another of His apostles." And they say: "We hear, and we obey: (We seek) Thy forgiveness, our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys."

286. On no soul doth Allah Place a burden greater than it can bear. It gets every good that it earns, and it suffers every ill that it earns. (Pray:) "Our Lord! Condemn us not if we forget or fall into error; our Lord! Lay not on us a burden Like that which Thou didst lay on those before us; Our Lord! Lay not on us a burden greater than we have strength to bear. Blot out our sins, and grant us forgiveness. Have mercy on us. Thou art our Protector; Help us against those who stand against faith."

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Yes, that was truly some powerfull 17 (!) rows you manage to dig up from Sura 2. Not forgetting that their meaning changes when we have context.

So, what color was jesus acording to your worldview? :o

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Anyone familiar with the Patriot Act in the US shouldn't be surprised by this move.  Remember, Thaksin went to Yale and was in the same class with Dubya and guess who is Thailand's #1 trading partner!

When there's an oil crisis, what's the best solution?  Distract, Distract, Distract!

:o

Orwell eat your heart out.

Thaksin went to Yale, don't make me laugh

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I personally would enjoy a theological discussion (I am agnostic, by the way) but this is not the place for it, guys; however, of course, knowledge is always good.

Nam Kao, you are yet to clarify why you don't differentiate between the fascist/racist Islamists who are pro-violence and the anti-violence Muslims (maybe about 95 percent of the total no of Muslims in the world). Until you do so, you will be seen as a bigot by me (and many others here, I am sure).

One important aspect.....how many Muslim people in those provinces see all this as a 'religious issue' ? I feel that only an insignificant number see it this way.

One useful step by the Thai government would be to encourage and facilitate the sending of Thai Muslim students (I mean those who want to go abroad and study religion/thelogy, etc) to 'secular states' such as Turkey and Bosnia, rather than, say, Saudi Arabia and Egypt.

Jem

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Emergency declared in Thailand

BANGKOK: --  Declaring "a time of national crisis" and appealing for unity, the Thai government took emergency action to cope with escalating violence in the mainly Muslim south after an assault by suspected insurgents on the provincial capital of Yala shocked authorities and residents alike.

The attack on Thursday night, in which two policemen were reported killed and 22 people injured, will revive critical scrutiny of Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra's handling of southern violence, which has claimed more than 800 lives since the start of 2004 and made Thailand a point of focus in the Muslim world.

As Thaksin and his ministers held an emergency cabinet meeting and the army commander flew south to the scene of the attack on Friday, another small bomb exploded near Yala's hospital, injuring four people, and two teachers were killed in neighboring Narathiwat Province.

"This is a time of national crisis. I would appeal to all Thai people to be united and to join hands to fight against the people who have bad intentions toward the country," Interior Minister Chidchai Wannasathit said Friday.

The government also adopted emergency powers Friday that allowed it to monitor telephones, halt distribution of newspapers or magazines considered threatening to national security and to detain suspects without charge. "The last straw that prompted us to impose this law was what happened at 7 p.m. in Yala," said Wissanu Krea-Ngam, the deputy prime minister.

In their attack Thursday, insurgents on motorcycles struck eight targets with bombs or Molotov cocktails. They started by knocking out a power station and plunging the city into darkness before using firebombs and shooting at targets, and scattering metal spikes behind them to slow security forces.

The targets included a hotel, two 7-Eleven convenience stores and locations close to a restaurant and a railway line, said the army commander in southern Thailand, Lieutenant General Kwanchart Kraham. These were usually crowded with civilians, "so we can say the troublemakers targeted innocent people," he said.

Several thousand students and residents marched through Yala on Friday in a protest reportedly organized by town authorities. Marchers carried placards condemning the violence and calling for peace.

"This is one of the worst attacks," said S.P. Harish at the Institute of Defense and Strategic Studies in Singapore. The careful planning and coordination behind the attack showed that "whoever did this knew exactly what they were doing and what they wanted to achieve."

The same cannot be said for the government, Harish added. "It's almost as if they have no clue as to what's happening," Harish said.

Thaksin has offered political and military initiatives in response to criticism at home and abroad that the harsh tactics he favored were only worsening the problem and threatening to turn a local conflict into an international problem.

The Yala attack, however, reinforced warnings from influential public figures that not enough was being done to contain or end the violence.

"If the government cannot halt daily atrocities in the region within a short time, it will be the government's failure," said Anand Panyarachun, a former prime minister appointed by Thaksin to lead a National Reconciliation Commission charged with formulating strategies for defusing the conflict.

--International Herald Tribune 2005-07-16

I wonder what would happen if Thaksin recieved, say, 30,000 letters from foreigners asking him to stop being such a Hitler and that everybody in the world sees him as a faschist dictator! would he react by changing his ways or would he send his "Ying Ting" (shoot and throw away) tactics on us as he did with 2,600 (3,500 really) of his own folk without fair trial and verdict!

when is everybody going to stop being afraid of this monster? and speak up..of course the main fault is that of the Thai people for wanting to be fed false beliefs (such as thailand being a democracy - Termination without trial is not democratic just like Thailand.)

I think the Rebels in the south are evil for killing innocents, but then again thaksin is in the same business, so he shouldn't be getting angry with them he killed 2,600 in three kmonths--the rebels only 800 in a year! Thaksin is still leading in the killing game!...sorry if this post is too critical but beating about the bush making jokes about folding paper might be more entertaining..but that will never change anything

Who Dares wins (or gets shot) is what i say.

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Let me see???? 60MM Thais, How many Muslems? 500MM, a Billion I'm not sure.

Seems like the old Thai Bully methods of picking on the little guy may have some problems.

When people are as angry as a group, as the Muslems seem to be, there may be some possible reasons the "other guys" should consider.

It sure is not the line of BS I keep hearing: "They hate our freedoms."

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Emergency declared in Thailand

BANGKOK: --  Declaring "a time of national crisis" and appealing for unity, the Thai government took emergency action to cope with escalating violence in the mainly Muslim south after an assault by suspected insurgents on the provincial capital of Yala shocked authorities and residents alike.

The attack on Thursday night, in which two policemen were reported killed and 22 people injured, will revive critical scrutiny of Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra's handling of southern violence, which has claimed more than 800 lives since the start of 2004 and made Thailand a point of focus in the Muslim world.

As Thaksin and his ministers held an emergency cabinet meeting and the army commander flew south to the scene of the attack on Friday, another small bomb exploded near Yala's hospital, injuring four people, and two teachers were killed in neighboring Narathiwat Province.

"This is a time of national crisis. I would appeal to all Thai people to be united and to join hands to fight against the people who have bad intentions toward the country," Interior Minister Chidchai Wannasathit said Friday.

The government also adopted emergency powers Friday that allowed it to monitor telephones, halt distribution of newspapers or magazines considered threatening to national security and to detain suspects without charge. "The last straw that prompted us to impose this law was what happened at 7 p.m. in Yala," said Wissanu Krea-Ngam, the deputy prime minister.

In their attack Thursday, insurgents on motorcycles struck eight targets with bombs or Molotov cocktails. They started by knocking out a power station and plunging the city into darkness before using firebombs and shooting at targets, and scattering metal spikes behind them to slow security forces.

The targets included a hotel, two 7-Eleven convenience stores and locations close to a restaurant and a railway line, said the army commander in southern Thailand, Lieutenant General Kwanchart Kraham. These were usually crowded with civilians, "so we can say the troublemakers targeted innocent people," he said.

Several thousand students and residents marched through Yala on Friday in a protest reportedly organized by town authorities. Marchers carried placards condemning the violence and calling for peace.

"This is one of the worst attacks," said S.P. Harish at the Institute of Defense and Strategic Studies in Singapore. The careful planning and coordination behind the attack showed that "whoever did this knew exactly what they were doing and what they wanted to achieve."

The same cannot be said for the government, Harish added. "It's almost as if they have no clue as to what's happening," Harish said.

Thaksin has offered political and military initiatives in response to criticism at home and abroad that the harsh tactics he favored were only worsening the problem and threatening to turn a local conflict into an international problem.

The Yala attack, however, reinforced warnings from influential public figures that not enough was being done to contain or end the violence.

"If the government cannot halt daily atrocities in the region within a short time, it will be the government's failure," said Anand Panyarachun, a former prime minister appointed by Thaksin to lead a National Reconciliation Commission charged with formulating strategies for defusing the conflict.

--International Herald Tribune 2005-07-16

I wonder what would happen if Thaksin recieved, say, 30,000 letters from foreigners asking him to stop being such a Hitler and that everybody in the world sees him as a faschist dictator! would he react by changing his ways or would he send his "Ying Ting" (shoot and throw away) tactics on us as he did with 2,600 (3,500 really) of his own folk without fair trial and verdict!

when is everybody going to stop being afraid of this monster? and speak up..of course the main fault is that of the Thai people for wanting to be fed false beliefs (such as thailand being a democracy - Termination without trial is not democratic just like Thailand.)

I think the Rebels in the south are evil for killing innocents, but then again thaksin is in the same business, so he shouldn't be getting angry with them he killed 2,600 in three kmonths--the rebels only 800 in a year! Thaksin is still leading in the killing game!...sorry if this post is too critical but beating about the bush making jokes about folding paper might be more entertaining..but that will never change anything

Who Dares wins (or gets shot) is what i say.

2,600? :o Did I miss something? Where do you hear that Thaksin is going on killing sprees?

I think we ALL have moved away from the original topic here, which had something to do with laws, right?

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Nam Kao and Zarkow, did you guys really have to post the whole book? I just NOW finished! All that crap does not (repeat) does not matter. People are useing faith, on both sides of this conflict, to justify violence. The real reasons for the violence are political, social, and economical at best. History between parties involed also plays a part in this war. To focus on faith as the reason, or the solution, is to blind yourself to any real soluntion. So, put the books down and look out the window at the real world to find reason.

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Emergency declared in Thailand

--International Herald Tribune 2005-07-16

I wonder what would happen if Thaksin recieved, say, 30,000 letters from foreigners asking him to stop being such a Hitler and that everybody in the world sees him as a faschist dictator! would he react by changing his ways or would he send his "Ying Ting" (shoot and throw away) tactics on us as he did with 2,600 (3,500 really) of his own folk without fair trial and verdict!

To answer your question I think he would kill you first -- and the remaining 29,999 foreigners would then scurry back to their coffeeshops and complain and moan and groan for at least 2 decades.

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Those who make comments like 'Crush those terrorists! Dirty Muslims' along these lines should take a stroll out of your world of CNN/BBC and Nescafe, you might learn something authentic. Before you get all emotional with your response, try reading and understanding Allegory of the Cave from Plato's republic first.

Ok, waiting for an intelligent/reflective post now... :D

Aha, its all them bloody Brits fault :o

- You're either with us or you're with the terrorists.

- Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

Greenwanderer, I hope you're patient. The intelligent/reflective people are quiet on this subject. :D

Yes, Master Mac, agree with you I do.

I never thought Star Wars could be used to argue something this serious. Cool, huh? :D

Greenwander, it's not an easy topic we are dealing with here. Many people get angry or scared and lash out at who they think is to blame. I don't think any of us here are experts on such things so, to ask what would you and be realistic is very hard. A lot of what some govs are doing is scary but I don't think even they know what to do. Another reason some of us lash out, frustration.

Padawan Greenwander, what suggestion make you.....mmmmm?

I already gave my suggestion in a previous post here:

What the early/pre Thai states used to do in time of conflict for the sake of Unity was send off their daughters or young sisters for marriage with the leader of the other state. This ultimately created family bonds / loyalty that are much harder to sabatage even between the lines of religion. This is highly effective for achieving peace if you ask me.

So what does that entail for the current situation???   Whoever get's Thaksin's daughter, particularly the one still in Uni is certainly a lucky man and ought to be commited to making offspring instead of bombs.

The older daughter not so bad either. How old is she now? Mid twenties??? Heck, even his younger sister, Yingluck, well, I'd do er (inferring a business transaction for you worried sensors  )

And what would Mr. T get in return aside from a peaceful tie? Well I'm sure they can send four wives for Mr. T's son, Ok Awk, whatever that boy's name is. That should settle the score.

This isn't exactly feasible I realize, however had the almighty PM been willing to make such sacrafice/trade, it certainly wouldn't escalate the situation. Sometimes the peaceful road is embodied by the non-pragmatic type of thinking/brainstorming.

It certainly worked (and many will argue is the true essence of the rise of any/all Thai states to any prestige they experienced in the region over the past 2000 years) in the past. Unity certainly the obvious solution. Achieving such is the matter at hand. While some try to fold paper birds and compose (in Thai) songs about being one Thai, it's obviously the wrong (ineffective) way to tackle such an issue.

Influence is the universal medium of power. I believe it is not in the name of Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity or any other organized religion will the world achieve any state resembling peace. Only in the name of a chainless education (what is it called in Education philosophical terms, doctrination/indoctrination something...can't recall) anyway the type of education and sociolization freeing the masses to place value in ideas by way of logic, reasoning, and thought.

On the note, while Buddhism preaches such values of not blindly accepting anything blindly, to follow the path with your own reasoning, etc., in practice a majority of the 90 percent of Thais quoted who hold this title of religion in this country don't live true to this essence. This is not a challenge for debate as it will deter from the topic at hand but if you can't agree to the point, please PM me and I'd be happy to elaborate and debate this if it is that what you wish to do.

So, as far as any feasible solutions to the situation. I agree, one must influence the current influences responsible for such unnecessary blood shed. But I warn and am afraid that 'weeding out' unidentifiable influences will prove to be ineffective. If ASEAN followed the trend of EURO and other United ideologies, erasing unnecessary borders, there could be no valid claims to independent statehood, or soveriegn control, and no one should then lose face over loyalties as the economical loyal factor would be more regional, less national. This is not a domestic Thai issue, and ASEAN should unite to tackle cross-border/national economical, and social issues.

BTW, Razino, that was a very articulated insightful overview of the political cross national situation regarding Islam and legitimaticy.

I agree with a lot of what you say. I can only really say that I have no clue as to how one could stop the violence but I know that once it has stopped economic growth is the only thing that needs to happen to the south of Thailand. People won't be so moved to such violence when they have something to lose. When I learn more I'll get back to you about what kind of growth and how to go about it. I know that every place needs different growth plans. Perhaps a thread on that would be interresting. What say you?

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It has been suggested that economic stimulus and employment are keys to combatting the problems in the South. while it is true that crime escalates during periods of high unemployment all over the world it is also true that insurgency and terrorism do not necesarilly diminish during times of prosperity and high employment.

The answer to the problem is, I dont have a clue and I dont envy the task of the Government in finding a remedy to the troubles.

Self determination for the Muslims in the three provinces would be like sitting on a time bomb, so the answer appears to be convincing them that peaceful co-existance is the way to go, but can that be done????????

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From today's edition of the Bangkok Post:

Bangkok people back emergency decree

Most people in Bangkok and in the insurgent hotbeds of Yala, Pattani and Narathiwat support passage of the executive decree to combat unrest in the South, according to an Abac Poll.

The poll showed 72.6% of Bangkokians and 86.3% of people in the three southern border provinces surveyed backed the decree which gives the prime minister sweeping emergency powers, including press censorship, to deal with the situation in the South.

Those who disagreed with the decree accounted for 21.3% of people in Bangkok and 10.4% in the three provinces

Seventy-seven per cent rated the southern security mayhem as intense to very intense while 15.2% viewed the situation as moderately violent.

The opinion survey found 57.3% blamed the violence on discord between officials and local residents, 54.9% on the conflict over underground interests between police and influential figures, 53.2% on the drugs, 50.6% on the weapons trade, 48.7% on misunderstandings from news reports, 46.6% on separatism and 42.9% on criminal activities. More than 70% insisted the need for security outweighed the issue of human rights while 22.1% thought otherwise. Altogether 1,463 people including 428 residents in Yala, Pattani and Narathiwat responded to the survey held on July 15-16.

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Nam Kao and Zarkow, did you guys really have to post the whole book? I just NOW finished! All that crap does not (repeat) does not matter. People are useing faith, on both sides of this conflict, to justify violence. The real reasons for the violence are political, social, and economical at best. History between parties involed also plays a part in this war. To focus on faith as the reason, or the solution, is to blind yourself to any real soluntion. So, put the books down and look out the window at the real world to find reason.

Ofcourse no-one have to post the whole book, but I have this strange personal trait that I cannot stand around quitly when people are full of shit or posting outright lies.

Btw, I'm not a follower of any religion, since I think that religion is a way to control peoples mind to ensure that they are good workers for the state. But that is besides the point.

The whole point, one that rascist and biggots won't understand, is that the conflict cannot be explained in simple terms like 'race' or 'religion'.

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The decree gives Mr. Thaksin absolute power to handle states of emergency.

It allows him to declare a state of emergency in any troubled southern border area, order detention of suspected insurgents without charges, censor news and intercept telephone conversations.

"The govenrment has to take away some certain rights from the people for the sake of their own safety and national peace", he explained.

The government is also considering to annul some obsolete laws which deprive rights of the Thai people, according to the Thai leader.

--TNA 2005-07-16

And Girly Men thought the Patriot Act was tough! :D

I hope Bush isn't watching Thai TV. :o

I hope he is, Go get em KhUn Thaksin.
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Nam Kao and Zarkow, did you guys really have to post the whole book? I just NOW finished! All that crap does not (repeat) does not matter. People are useing faith, on both sides of this conflict, to justify violence. The real reasons for the violence are political, social, and economical at best. History between parties involed also plays a part in this war. To focus on faith as the reason, or the solution, is to blind yourself to any real soluntion. So, put the books down and look out the window at the real world to find reason.

Ofcourse no-one have to post the whole book, but I have this strange personal trait that I cannot stand around quitly when people are full of shit or posting outright lies.

I sympathize with you there. I sometimes have to hold myself back.

Btw, I'm not a follower of any religion, since I think that religion is a way to control peoples mind to ensure that they are good workers for the state. But that is besides the point.

I agree with you there as well.

The whole point, one that rascist and biggots won't understand, is that the conflict cannot be explained in simple terms like 'race' or 'religion'.

Spot on there as well. I just really wanted everyone to get back to the topic. I have sometimes gotten mad and posted some stupid things that felt bad about later and just want to see everyone really think this through. These problems aren't going to go away in the next couple years. I think this kind violence is just going to become more common. Sad I know.

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I dont

I realize Mr T is as crooked as my path walking down Soi Cowboy,

  But Islam is the problem here....

  Read the Quran and you will see.

Don't be so freaking ingorant.

Have YOU ever read the Quran?

Before you ask: yes, I have read it, back to back, several times. Infact I have written a thiessis (*sp*) on it which recieved highest grade some years back.

I have also read the Bible back to back a number of times.

Do you really want to take an argument of which religion that has most blood on its hands?

Zarkow, I dont really think anybody gives two shakes of a lambs daggy tail about your choice of reading material or your self proclaimed knowledge of all things religious. If you are as clever as you profess to be, just give us your ideas on fixing the problem.In plain English for we uneducated types.

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As I had expected, there are a lot of messages from racist/right-winger types who say 'Let's destroy all these Muslims' and also from folks who like to attack Thaksin at every opportunity they find.

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Jem-Jem, Please point me to where somebody said "lets destroy all these Muslims" I must have missed that posting. Or do you mean that most realistic thinking people want to see the perpetrators of the murders bought to justice,which is how I read them.

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So much for peoples freedom....and a great excuse to bring in a law like this one.

What freedoms do Thai people have left, if the PM has control of mass media (not just his own newspapers now) and police can arrest anyone without charges.....

So long democracy....dictatorship, here we come.

Thai people still have plenty of freedom, one has to clamp down on Muslim insurgents and ban subversive magazines. Thailand took a long time to acknowledge the problem but the creeping death is there.

Look at the London bombings, was there any thought given to the innocent killed and maimed by Muslim radicals ? NO. UK police can also arrest without charges and look at the results they have acheived in 7 days.

Thailand has to try to clamp down on this "cancer" in the south or it will spread.

Dont let them beat you.

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Burning of the Reichstag Building, 1933

Tonkin Incident, 1964

Doesn't the fact that these southern "seperatists" never seem to take responsibility for the attacks, never come with any demands, etc strike anyone as a bit "odd"... :D

I believe I asked the question it in another thread, but I will risk repeating myself:

"Who is benefitting from the current status"....... :o

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