More Thai Women In Swedish Sex Trade

[dinbangkok]

The reporter is probably a feminist who is unable to distinguish between being forced into prostitution and engaging in it intentionally.

Errr right, so you are better qualified than a Swedish journalist to judge whether some women in Sweden were trafficked or not? Sorry, where did you say you live right now?

However, let's give the benefit of the doubt and say these women were trafficked. What did they expect? Sweden in 1999 criminalized prostitution and began a policy of arresting customers rather than providers.

So, it's the fault of the women being trafficked is it? Oh I guess that must serve them right then. Sex trafficking never happens in countries where prostitution is legal of course. Sex trafficking happens everywhere full stop. Women, children, you name it. Anyone vulnerable and they're yours.

Predictably, when you push a business underground, the underworld takes it over. As the BBC noted at the time, the legislation was a failure.

I quite agree with you that pushing a business underground often has devastating social consequences. Legalising prostitution would certainly have a very positive impact on those who choose to enter the profession voluntarily (just like the legalising of drugs would help too). But it still doesn't alter the fact that sex trafficking happens irrespective of whether prostitution is legal or not.

[SiriusBlack1]

I quite agree with you that pushing a business underground often has devastating social consequences. Legalising prostitution would certainly have a very positive impact on those who choose to enter the profession voluntarily (just like the legalising of drugs would help too). But it still doesn't alter the fact that sex trafficking happens irrespective of whether prostitution is legal or not.

Human trafficking happens more if you push prostitution underground. Legalizing prostitution won't eliminate human trafficking but it focuses scarce police resources on the real problem. Slavery is a problem; consenting adults doing the nasty, with or without money changing hands, is not a problem.

The United States and Japan have had excellent results against organized crime by outlawing and targeting patterns of racketeering and violent business practices. Sweden and other countries should combine this approach with the decriminalization, or better yet legalization, of prostitution.

Edited September 23, 2010 by SiriusBlack1

[truthfulfox]

girls are the oil of thailand

[mark45y]

Ah, Miss Tinnaporn we have a job for you.

Goody goody.

We have one opening for an executive secretary for a large multinational telecommunications firm in Sweden.

Goody goody

Just a few questions about your qualifications.

Goody goody.

Do you speak Swedish?

No.

No problem.

Do you speak English?

No.

No problem.

Do you speak Russian, German or Polish?

No.

No problem.

Do you speak Lao?

Yes.

That’s great everyone in Sweden speaks Lao.

Do you type?

No.

No problem

Did you graduate high school?

No, 6th grade only.

No problem.

Would you fly half way around the world with a strange man you have never seen before?

Sure, I like that.

Great, you have the job.

Goody goody.

Hey mom I got a new job in Sweden.

Wonderful, do you know the man or company you will be working for?

No.

Does he have a good heart?

Yes, of course, he very nice man.

OK no problem you go.

[swerver]

NOT ALL THAI PROSTITUTES WORKING IN SWEDEN ARE VICTIMS.

of course you are correct.

anyone who knows thailand knows prostitutes are as common as mosquitos in the rainy season. the notion that somehow a plane ticket to sweden qualifies them for victimhood exists only in the mind of the left wing euroignoramous who sees the world thru his cracked spectacles. the real exploitation of the mentally retarded is one thing, but a thai bar beer girl, be she in pattaya or sweden, is quite another.

if thailand exports rice and prostitutes its because thailand has a comparative economic advantage in rice and prostitutes. articles like the above are little more than attempts to create non tariff barriers to this trade.

thailand should retaliate by banning volvos.

Banning Volvos - Too Late

Volvo has not been a Swedish company.

Ford bought it several years ago and of late for Ford to have money to build a new factory in Detroit of the East Ford sold Volvo to a Chinese car manufacturing company. Such is live in this 21st century Globalization World.

[swerver]

Ah, Miss Tinnaporn we have a job for you.

Goody goody.

We have one opening for an executive secretary for a large multinational telecommunications firm in Sweden.

Goody goody

Just a few questions about your qualifications.

Goody goody.

Do you speak Swedish?

No.

No problem.

Do you speak English?

No.

No problem.

Do you speak Russian, German or Polish?

No.

No problem.

Do you speak Lao?

Yes.

That's great everyone in Sweden speaks Lao.

Do you type?

No.

No problem

Did you graduate high school?

No, 6th grade only.

No problem.

Would you fly half way around the world with a strange man you have never seen before?

Sure, I like that.

Great, you have the job.

Goody goody.

Hey mom I got a new job in Sweden.

Wonderful, do you know the man or company you will be working for?

No.

Does he have a good heart?

Yes, of course, he very nice man.

OK no problem you go.

Attitude towards sexuality

With Thais have traditionally been relaxed. Starting centuries back Virginity was not prized as highly as in Buddha’s country of birth, like India and Nepal. Back in the 13^th century, visiting the Asia region the Armenian King, Hetum I, reported optimistically that “They consume spicy food and are temperate in their marriages. They take a wife at twenty, and up to thirty approach her three times a week, and up to forty three times a month, and up to fifty, three times a year; and when they passed fifty, they no longer go near her.” In the modern times of today, polygamy and polyandry have excited the interest of foreign tourists coming in droves to the country. Aided by cultural tolerance, sex has become gruesomely commercialized to the extend that it is the second highest foreign exchange earner, rice being the first.

Thailand’s informal approach came in part from Buddhism’s comparatively lenient strictures on sex outside marriage, and also from the cultural prominence of Thai women, who were not expected to cover their heads and be demure. A journalist who accompanied the British Army in the colonial era a couple centuries back worked himself into quite a lather on the subject, reporting that:

• The moral standard of the Thai is not high; licentiousness and indecency, far from being uncommon, are rather the rule than the exception. The women are especially erring; their extreme laxity of morals and their utter want of shame are not more remarkable than the entire absence of self-respect on the part of their husbands and relatives when there is gain of one sort or another to be had.

In the past, Thai monks often took the Clintonian position that non-penetrative sex did not count as sex. Monks partaking viewed these sexual practices as a matter of habit and convention, the socially accepted result of people exploiting loopholes in religious regulations.

[wotaplonker]

recently on Tv over here in the Uk has been a 3 part documentary on sex trafficking in England, it focused on an area in the south

west of the country and broadly all over the uk, traffickers had been using east european, thai and chinese women to make huge profits which were then sent back to the main bosses in China/Thailand. (it was suggested as Chinese mafia) the police

spent a fortune in manpower etc watching the parlors day and night, gathering intelligence and finally various people, 'madams' 'area manager' were tried and convicted. So far so good

But! the main boss only got 4 years so he will probably out with good behaviour in two years, other figures in the trade got 2 years or less, and the police/home office did not appear to by making any new effort to combat the trade (described by police as happening in every town and city in the Uk.) due to lack of resourses, and other reasons not mentioned.

so basically what sort of deterrant is there to the trade? the huge profits generated and salted away are doubtless worth the risk for what may be just a few months in jail.

Just as with drugs there needs to be a revolution in thought, make them both legal and let the trade be formally policed and legislated.

[Krap]

My first post here, hi!

I am a swede and in Sweden there is a law prohibiting paying for sexual services. Its been around for about 10-15 years and norway just got the same law. Maximum punishment is 6 months. Note that selling is legal.

Before the law came into place there were a street in stockholm where the prosititues walked every night. Now they have all disappeared and instead it have moved to apartments and hotel visits. What have also been more common is sex slaves. This is almost always eastern european women that are locked up in some appartment and its totally controlled by the mafia that also comes from eastern europe. The law created a new market for organized crime and all the suffering that follows with that.

I have no idea about these thai massage places with happy ending never seen one never heard of one but i guess the women that work there are not being forced but they just keep doing what they were doing in thailand.

There are alot of young thai women out partying in stockholm, malmö and göteborg most of these girls have been picked up by a swede in a bar in phuket, pattaya or any other tourist destination. Most of them want to have a job in sweden because its paying very well. They meet some other thai women and get a job offer in massage with happy ending they take the job and tell their husband/boyfriend its just ordinary massage. I doubt there are many swedish men that are trafficing thai women and forcing them to work as sex slaves.

True and well spoken. Sweden is also the most ultrafeministic country in the world, creating quite a few non logical situations like this one. Its called ideology. The effects of the law was well predicted buy simple economic theory about black markets but introduced never the less not considering the victims due to the strong feminism movement. Before the law the prostitutes where well known by the social workers and police and would get help and healthcare when needed. Now its all underground. Proudly though the statistics imply less prostitution.

[cup-O-coffee]

I couldn't read all the posts, but I believe I read enough to get the point.

The reporter decides what story is important and puts words in people's mouths and makes broad, unsubstantiated assumptions about categories of people and where they fit into the picture. It makes a nice, tidy story, but only an idiot will give it credence.

Yes; the police have known about this, but the reporter decides to make something normal (for a dysfunctional human race) an issue.

The girls? Well, I would lay odds that the girls mentioned fit the profile as:

-Having already been broken in by their family and relatives, and neighbors and wondering what all the fuss is about

-Having no clue whatsoever of what a healthy lifestyle is, and longing for "the good life" after they've been "rescued" by god's soldiers of righteousness.

-Seeing sex as an opportunity (to please / to obey / to manipulate/ to send money home to the family who sold her in the first place so she could send money)

-Abject acceptance of their role in this life, and to break this role would be to come back in the next life as a turtle or a rat.

-And so on until it makes one vomit

Additionally, let's not forget that Thailand is the number one source for human slavery (that's what we call it, and so does the little girl working the Bar-B-Q stand after school) in the world. This stupid story is yet another, more broad, attempt to lay the blame on the other countries and ignore the source (the leaky pipe). Lets buy some more mops and hire some more workers to mop up the consequences of the leaky pipe. This is typical bad government policy, and the typical incompetent reporting that aids and abets it.

We are not talking about a teenage Thai girl that goes to Sweden to visit ancient ruins, gets kidnapped, and sold into slavery. I feel like guaranteeing that any high society Thai "princess" that got trapped in this trade would bring on numerous "crackdowns" and the Thai military would be deployed.

It does not matter where the Thai girl is - whether in a rat infested karaoke brothel servicing fattened Thai men, or servicing well groomed, high paying Swedish customers in a healthy and clean environment - the girls don't know, and won't know the difference, because they are born and bred for this.

This is about money, and a trillion dollar a year industry that involves everyone from the very bottom to heights that would compel someone to kill themselves if they told you.

Edited September 24, 2010 by cup-O-coffee

[tomyummer]

Gee, I think we're all missing the point here. From the woman's point of view maybe they're flocking to Sweden because the Swede's have the mystical,gargantuan, larger...

[Krap]

That said, a cup-O-coffee would be nice. Many times more enjoyable than a thai girl and much less troublesome.

[bikersiam]

The Thai women who come to Sweden and are exploited for sexual purposes , intersting quote do you know this to be a fact or is it really the other way around.

there are many men who never live to tell the tale of domestic violence

[bikersiam]

That said, a cup-O-coffee would be nice. Many times more enjoyable than a thai girl and much less troublesome.

VThe Thai women who come to Sweden and are exploited for sexual purposes , intersting quote do you know this to be a fact or is it really the other way around.

there are many men who never live to tell the tale of domestic violence

[bikersiam]

I couldn't read all the posts, but I believe I read enough to get the point.

The reporter decides what story is important and puts words in people's mouths and makes broad, unsubstantiated assumptions about categories of people and where they fit into the picture. It makes a nice, tidy story, but only an idiot will give it credence.

Yes; the police have known about this, but the reporter decides to make something normal (for a dysfunctional human race) an issue.

The girls? Well, I would lay odds that the girls mentioned fit the profile as:

-Having already been broken in by their family and relatives, and neighbors and wondering what all the fuss is about

-Having no clue whatsoever of what a healthy lifestyle is, and longing for "the good life" after they've been "rescued" by god's soldiers of righteousness.

-Seeing sex as an opportunity (to please / to obey / to manipulate/ to send money home to the family who sold her in the first place so she could send money)

-Abject acceptance of their role in this life, and to break this role would be to come back in the next life as a turtle or a rat.

-And so on until it makes one vomit

Additionally, let's not forget that Thailand is the number one source for human slavery (that's what we call it, and so does the little girl working the Bar-B-Q stand after school) in the world. This stupid story is yet another, more broad, attempt to lay the blame on the other countries and ignore the source (the leaky pipe). Lets buy some more mops and hire some more workers to mop up the consequences of the leaky pipe. This is typical bad government policy, and the typical incompetent reporting that aids and abets it.

We are not talking about a teenage Thai girl that goes to Sweden to visit ancient ruins, gets kidnapped, and sold into slavery. I feel like guaranteeing that any high society Thai "princess" that got trapped in this trade would bring on numerous "crackdowns" and the Thai military would be deployed.

It does not matter where the Thai girl is - whether in a rat infested karaoke brothel servicing fattened Thai men, or servicing well groomed, high paying Swedish customers in a healthy and clean environment - the girls don't know, and won't know the difference, because they are born and bred for this.

This is about money, and a trillion dollar a year industry that involves everyone from the very bottom to heights that would compel someone to kill themselves if they told you.

thank you for that very interesting quote you are very right . go to the front of the class

[bikersiam]

come to new zealand all girls who want to make money .. lots of it because it is all above the law here now ,

[Seismic]

I quite agree with you that pushing a business underground often has devastating social consequences. Legalising prostitution would certainly have a very positive impact on those who choose to enter the profession voluntarily (just like the legalising of drugs would help too). But it still doesn't alter the fact that sex trafficking happens irrespective of whether prostitution is legal or not.

Human trafficking happens more if you push prostitution underground. Legalizing prostitution won't eliminate human trafficking but it focuses scarce police resources on the real problem. Slavery is a problem; consenting adults doing the nasty, with or without money changing hands, is not a problem.

The United States and Japan have had excellent results against organized crime by outlawing and targeting patterns of racketeering and violent business practices. Sweden and other countries should combine this approach with the decriminalization, or better yet legalization, of prostitution.

On the other hand the US has had pretty much Zero results against pimps and prostitution because the Moralistic attitude their against prostitution has effectively negated the police. Banning prostitution has never worked in any country it has been applied, and YES, I do include countries like Saudi Arabia in this.

Seems to me that no one has talked about Singapore, the only SEA country where prostitution is legal, and controlled, they seem to have a relatively good record. In the end, it comes down to human nature, If the ladies/men want to sell it (and its theirs) then there will always be a market to buy it, and banning it will only hurt the weakest.