Addicted?

[MrRichard2009]

Internet addiction disorder (IAD), or, more broadly, Internet overuse, problematic computer use or pathological computer use, is excessive computer use that interferes with daily life.^[1] These terms avoid the distracting and divisive term addiction and are not limited to any single cause.

IAD was originally proposed as a disorder in a satirical hoax by Ivan Goldberg, M.D., in 1995.^[2] He took pathological gambling as diagnosed by the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV) as his model for the description^[3] of IAD. It is not however included in the current DSM as of 2009. IAD receives coverage in the press, and possible future classification as a psychological disorder continues to be debated and researched.

Online activities which, if done in person, would normally be considered troublesome, such as compulsive gambling or shopping, are sometimes called net compulsions.^[4] Others, such as reading or playing computer games, are troubling only to the extent that these activities interfere with normal life. Supporters of disorder classification often divide IAD into subtypes by activity, such as excessive, overwhelming, or inappropriate pornography use,^[5] gaming,^[6] online social networking, blogging,^[7] email^[8], or Internet shopping.^[9] Opponents note that compulsive behaviors may not themselves be addictive.^[10]

[473geo]

google

"addiction to internet forums"

About 1,490,000 results (0.21 seconds)

[Jingthing]

Help!

[mrtoad]

Sorry I don't use Wiki - generally DSM-IV TR and ICD 10 are generally what I would consider worth reading for classification. As for DSM V which should be out in 2013, IAD is unlikely to be a classification, and it is not currently in the ICD 10 either.

[jdinasia]

Internet addiction disorder (IAD), or, more broadly, Internet overuse, problematic computer use or pathological computer use, is excessive computer use that interferes with daily life.^[1] These terms avoid the distracting and divisive term addiction and are not limited to any single cause.

IAD was originally proposed as a disorder in a satirical hoax by Ivan Goldberg, M.D., in 1995.^[2] He took pathological gambling as diagnosed by the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV) as his model for the description^[3] of IAD. It is not however included in the current DSM as of 2009. IAD receives coverage in the press, and possible future classification as a psychological disorder continues to be debated and researched.

Online activities which, if done in person, would normally be considered troublesome, such as compulsive gambling or shopping, are sometimes called net compulsions.^[4] Others, such as reading or playing computer games, are troubling only to the extent that these activities interfere with normal life. Supporters of disorder classification often divide IAD into subtypes by activity, such as excessive, overwhelming, or inappropriate pornography use,^[5] gaming,^[6] online social networking, blogging,^[7] email^[8], or Internet shopping.^[9] Opponents note that compulsive behaviors may not themselves be addictive.^[10]

hmmmm Now we have Wiki as his source? and still no "studies" from any credible sources ....---- Note even WIKI says that IAD was proposed as a "satirical hoax" and that is it not listed in the DSMIV

I wonder if this "research" has arisen due to the negative rating that other users seem to give MrRichard? I would think that spending over a month researching something that even his source material suggests isn't real ........ might be indicative of 'other issues'? :-)

[MrRichard2009]

Bitter! Table for one! Your table by yourself is right over there in the corner

Please tell us all about these "studies' that you state exist and where we can all read yp on them

I think so yes, but it's not just Thai related, many people in the world have this internet problem. Most of the time it's because of a social disorder, they have trouble in social situations, making friends, keeping friends, thinking people are out to get them so they can't get the interactions all humans need. So they find a captive group like the internet where even the most extreme person can have a friend to get the social interactions they need. Interestingly negative responses feed the same need, so often times those kinds of people become pestering or harassing and say people are picking on them. They often create controversy so it can be all about them. What happens in the end studies show is that other like minded people come along and some chat room becomes dominated by these types of people in the end and those who speak out against them get run off or banned.

I am not sure if it is good or bad .... I am glad these people have" places to go " but studies show that the behavior and the disorder actually becomes worse, in real life people would walk away or maybe punch someone, so the person would have to change his personality disorder, on the internet they end up actually taking a large amount of control of the situation and that feeds and increases the ego and disorder making the people falsely believe it's everyone else who is "crazy". They may dominate a chat room and make numerous complaints over the years about numerous things and people and rather than being made to know that they are the root of all these problems and the cause they mistakenly feel like the chat room hero and the problem worsens.

It is very rare for this type of person without actually getting medical help to be able to overcome this. Over time it gets worse and worse and harder and harder to cure, the patent will without proper help almost never be able to reenter a world of human interaction with ease. This is because people face to face don't have moderators and you can't ban john from the local coffee shop because he used a racial slur in the grocery store, and people face to face don't tolerate sarcasm or or other rude behaviors that they are in the habit of doing, just because it falls within the chat room rules.

The real problem is that the reason people spend each and evey day in a chat room is because they were already a failure outside of it so going back when your habits, behaviors and expectations are now worsened is very hard. ..... Saying all that I think keeping people like that or at least giving them, an opportunity to have these "places to go" is better for everyone outside of the chat rooms so as to not have to deal with them. And since they will probably never be all that happy anyplace else I am glad they have somewhere to go.

The bottom line is the normal or non addicted person only comes and goes and can take it or leave it so it's no big thing to them ........Sso lets not belittle the disabled person who has very few other options barring medical help

Are you serious ? another poster just posted over a million web pages on this issue ....... after you get done reading those if you have questions just ask ! ROFL

[sbk]

Actually, feel free to post a few links backing your claims up, otherwise please don't bother responding to requests that you do so with a baiting attitude.

[mrtoad]

Are you serious ? another poster just posted over a million web pages on this issue ....... after you get done reading those if you have questions just ask ! ROFL

I could post a million web pages on porn, doesn't mean that it's credible.

[tombkk]

Internet addiction disorder (IAD), or, more broadly, Internet overuse, problematic computer use or pathological computer use, is excessive computer use that interferes with daily life.^[1] These terms avoid the distracting and divisive term addiction and are not limited to any single cause.

IAD was originally proposed as a disorder in a satirical hoax by Ivan Goldberg, M.D., in 1995.^[2] He took pathological gambling as diagnosed by the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV) as his model for the description^[3] of IAD. It is not however included in the current DSM as of 2009. IAD receives coverage in the press, and possible future classification as a psychological disorder continues to be debated and researched.

Online activities which, if done in person, would normally be considered troublesome, such as compulsive gambling or shopping, are sometimes called net compulsions.^[4] Others, such as reading or playing computer games, are troubling only to the extent that these activities interfere with normal life. Supporters of disorder classification often divide IAD into subtypes by activity, such as excessive, overwhelming, or inappropriate pornography use,^[5] gaming,^[6] online social networking, blogging,^[7] email^[8], or Internet shopping.^[9] Opponents note that compulsive behaviors may not themselves be addictive.^[10]

Well. "IAD was originally proposed as a disorder in a satirical hoax by Ivan Goldberg, M.D., in 1995". The many links lead to wikipedia, and the crucial one about Dr. Goldberg has been removed from that site.

It having been a "satirical hoax" (if it ever existed) does not answer my question: When would someone be considered to be 'addicted' to the internet, as opposed to using it extensively for information and entertainment?

[mojo80]

Actually, feel free to post a few links backing your claims up, otherwise please don't bother responding to requests that you do so with a baiting attitude.

YAWN

[mrtoad]

Actually, feel free to post a few links backing your claims up, otherwise please don't bother responding to requests that you do so with a baiting attitude.

Okay SBK, he has used Wiki - so I guess we should let him off.

[mrtoad]

Actually, feel free to post a few links backing your claims up, otherwise please don't bother responding to requests that you do so with a baiting attitude.

YAWN

Well, it's night time in Thailand.

[MrRichard2009]

ok ok I will post the beta blocking links tomorrow geeze ...its 1130 I am going to bed

[jdinasia]

You had me worried I only average 16 post per day.

I think I am down to about 5 ppd on average but if the political issues kick up again that number may certainly go up

[mrtoad]

You had me worried I only average 16 post per day.

I think I am down to about 5 ppd on average but if the political issues kick up again that number may certainly go up

[Thules]

Surely we can answer this issue amongst ourselves (?)... What we need is for the most prolific of posters to volunteer: to not post; not surf ,and not otherwise use the internet (except, for say, email) for a period of 5 days. And then kindly report back their positive/negative Internet related feelings within this period. Did you climb the wall, perhaps go fishing or what ?

(Oops, sorry George)

[moe666]

I come to this forum to be entertained as well as looking for that one snipet of info that will make my next stay in Thailnd more interesting and enjoyable. Addicted no.

[tombkk]

google

"addiction to internet forums"

About 1,490,000 results (0.21 seconds)

Not very helpfull, as you will surely admit. If not, kindly submit a one-page summary of these 1.49 million results.

[taninthai]

seems they prescribe drugs for everything these days

Internet addiction treatment

Getting Internet addiction help could include talk therapy or prescription medications. Dr Dannon recommends the same type of medications that help people stop kleptomania or a gambling addiction, such as serotonin blockers. An Internet addiction is a serious mental health condition, not simply a hobby or way to pass the lunch hour.

Read more at Suite101: Internet Addiction Treatment: Signs of Addiction and Treatment Advice for Internet Addicts

why are people pretending they dont know how to use google on this thread usually they are telling people to use google instead of asking stupid questions on the forum......

[473geo]

google

"addiction to internet forums"

About 1,490,000 results (0.21 seconds)

Not very helpfull, as you will surely admit. If not, kindly submit a one-page summary of these 1.49 million results.

Internet addiction: a new disorder enters the medical lexicon.

[mrtoad]

google

"addiction to internet forums"

About 1,490,000 results (0.21 seconds)

Not very helpfull, as you will surely admit. If not, kindly submit a one-page summary of these 1.49 million results.

Internet addiction: a new disorder enters the medical lexicon.

But it hasn't has it? Has it been accepted into the forthcoming DSM V? Is it in the current DSM IV- TR or ICD 10?

[473geo]

google

"addiction to internet forums"

About 1,490,000 results (0.21 seconds)

Not very helpfull, as you will surely admit. If not, kindly submit a one-page summary of these 1.49 million results.

Internet addiction: a new disorder enters the medical lexicon.

But it hasn't has it? Has it been accepted into the forthcoming DSM V? Is it in the current DSM IV- TR or ICD 10?

You appear to have a problem finding at least one reference, when presented with one you query the validity......so if you really want to know go look.....if like me you accept that the 'addiction' is feasible, you do not need to look.......your decision. I'm comfortable, as are many others who have completed the poll, that there is an element of addiction in 'over posting'..........

You can convince yourself, validate your own concerns,or not, I just don't feel the need... .

[jdinasia]

being in the medical lexicon is meaningless .... Laetril (sp) is in the medical lexicon as well

The article quoted refers back to some guy making money from 'treating' people for a disease that so far has no definition that has been agreed upon enough to make it into a diagnostic manual Is it possible to be addicted to behaviours such as internet chat? That would certainly depend on your definition of "addiction". Since physical addiction is obviously not a possiblity then perhaps psychological addiction could be considered.

Noting the main proponent's bias --- and rants about others ... I would say that taking an internet chat forum too seriously could also be considered an issue.

I literally live at work right now, and have computers turned on on each floor of the business AND have my email sent to my Blackberry as well. My work requires this level of connection. My work pays for my food. If I don't eat I suffer physically. Hey! Maybe there CAN be a case made for real addiction.

[473geo]

I think there can be an issue with taking anything too seriously especially futile political discussion on the forums.......but some do.

Addicted to the internet, to topical discussion, to providing an alternative view....I think not......but I did know a guy well who was frequently returning home from work at 1am in the morning. Too much work....nope......another woman......nope.......computer games..... .....addiction?

[jdinasia]

I think there can be an issue with taking anything too seriously especially futile political discussion on the forums.......but some do.

Addicted to the internet, to topical discussion, to providing an alternative view....I think not......but I did know a guy well who was frequently returning home from work at 1am in the morning. Too much work....nope......another woman......nope.......computer games..... .....addiction?

Addiction? --- possibly,

other alternatives? Ugly vengeful wife ... and HALO was more rewarding ?

[473geo]

I think there can be an issue with taking anything too seriously especially futile political discussion on the forums.......but some do.

Addicted to the internet, to topical discussion, to providing an alternative view....I think not......but I did know a guy well who was frequently returning home from work at 1am in the morning. Too much work....nope......another woman......nope.......computer games..... .....addiction?

Addiction? --- possibly,

other alternatives? Ugly vengeful wife ... and HALO was more rewarding ?

Nope lovely wife, and his kids missed him too, fortunately that contract finished and he went on to make a good recovery and became a 'normal' husband and father again.

Although still slips away occasionally to his 'office' at home....but the kids are grown now.......yes this happened that long ago!!!.

I like happy endings.......but they do not serve to disguise the dangers.

[hanuman1]

I'd actually liken posting on TV to a drug for some people. The problem is, with the well-publicized 'drugs' you already know that their power lies in their addictive qualities before you'd ever entertain the possibility of having anything to do with them, whilst with something as initially insignificant as a website you think you're safe. There lies the particularly insidious nature of TV.

Just say 'No'? Maybe next time. *sniff*...I mean *post*

[mrtoad]

You appear to have a problem finding at least one reference, when presented with one you query the validity......so if you really want to know go look.....if like me you accept that the 'addiction' is feasible, you do not need to look.......your decision. I'm comfortable, as are many others who have completed the poll, that there is an element of addiction in 'over posting'..........

You can convince yourself, validate your own concerns,or not, I just don't feel the need... .

It's not about being able to find information on it, it's about finding information that is actually credible . I'm not dismissing it out of hand, some of us asked a straight question to one poster regarding some of the claims he made in a post. I'm still waiting, as it is an area that I am interested in.

[PattayaParent]

I used to think my average of 4 posts per day was excessive until I saw the 'Most Frequent Posters' list on the right of the page and saw how many Jinthing, Gotlost and Transam post each and every day!

[chiang mai]

I used to think my average of 4 posts per day was excessive until I saw the 'Most Frequent Posters' list on the right of the page and saw how many Jinthing, Gotlost and Transam post each and every day!

Which is exactly why I started the thread, I saw the same list and was amazed that people could spend so much time posting, it made me think that something's not right somewhere.