We Wil Help Red-Shirt Detainees To Get Bail: PM Abhisit

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We wil help red-shirt detainees to get bail : PM

By Avudh Panananda

The Nation

Justice Ministry asked to assist 50 without lawyers, Abhisit says

Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva has pledged to continue filing bail applications for some 40 to 50 individuals unwittingly involved in the red-shirt riots following his intervention to secure the temporary release of three such individuals last week.

“Although everyone is equal under the law, some underprivileged people could not get legal representation,” he said, in his weekly address yesterday.

Abhisit said a National Human Rights Commission report had informed him that some 50 individuals out of about 180 people detained after the unruly protests had no legal counsel or assistance.

He said he instructed the Justice Ministry to make legal assistance available to these individuals.

He highlighted his intervention as part of the reconciliation process. He urged those freed from remand to strictly observe their bail conditions, reminding them that their good behaviour would pave the way for the release of those still held in detention.

Pheu Thai spokesman Prompong Nopparit said the main opposition party doubted the government was sincere in regard to efforts to bring about reconciliation.

Six months had passed but there was no progress on the investigation into the crackdown which caused 91 deaths, he said, adding that the murder of Khattiya “Seh Daeng” Sawasdipol remained unsolved.

He called on the PM to prod the Department of Special Investigation to try and shed light on the bloodshed instead of “buying time”.

In a related development, fugitive ex-prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra issued a statement calling on the government to release “political prisoners” likening the jailing of red-shirts in Thailand to the situation in Burma, where pro-democracy leader Aung San Suu Yi was freed on Saturday. Thaksin’s statement was released by his legal adviser Noppadon Patama.

Thaksin’s remarks drew a rebuke from Democrat MP Thepthai Senpong, who said he admired Suu Kyi because she always fought for democracy through peaceful means.

“Thaksin should look to Suu Kyi as a role model because unlike someone, she tried to bring about peaceful change without burning down her own country,” he said.

-- The Nation 2010-11-15

[cougar52]

Well, I applaud the PM in his efforts to be fair and get some representation to the unfortunate Red Shirts that believed, ( their leaders, Pheu Thai Party, and even Thaksin. )

Where is the help from all these people. All the Pheu Thai people especially Jutaporn. All these people can do is cause turmoil and do nothing to help the people and the Country.

"Pheu Thai spokesman Prompong Nopparit said the main opposition party doubted the government was sincere in regard to efforts to bring about reconciliation."

At least the PM is putting forth an effort, what has your Party done other than run your mouths like a whippoorwill ass in berry time.

[Buchholz]

fugitive ex-prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra issued a statement calling on the government to release “political prisoners” likening the jailing of red-shirts in Thailand to the situation in Burma, where pro-democracy leader Aung San Suu Yi

Thaksin likening his Red terrorist suspects to Nobel Prize winner Aung San Suu Kyi is the height of absurdity, even by Thaksin's own ridiculous standards. The only commonality they share is that they both have had books written about them:

Punching Above My Weight: Nattawut Saikua Tells his Story

Perfect Hostage: A Life of Aung San Suu Kyi

but then again, so has Thaksin:

Where Are You?

Here I Am !

Edited November 15, 2010 by Buchholz

[Robby nz]

Liked the response from the Dem MP:

Thaksin’s remarks drew a rebuke from Democrat MP Thepthai Senpong, who said he admired Suu Kyi because she always fought for democracy through peaceful means.

“Thaksin should look to Suu Kyi as a role model because unlike someone, she tried to bring about peaceful change without burning down her own country,” he said.

The PTP and reds still dont seem to see that they are only kicking themselves in the guts by not helping those they call "political prisoners"

But what will those released or bailed out by the Govt say whan they get home?

Will they be so indoctoranated by red BS that all they can think is 'the Govt locked me up'?

Or will they realise they were abandoned by those they fought for and got arrested on behalf of and that the Govt had to come to their aid?

[bushwacker]

The never ending story.

[geriatrickid]

Some people have convenient memories. The government froze bank accounts so money couldn't be accessed for the bail.

I don't know why Thaksin is getting blamed (once again). The government has forbidden the transfer of any funds from Mr. Thaksin into Thailand. Would those condemning Mr. Thaksin prefer that he circumvented the legal restrictions and face new criminal charges? What part of a seizure order do you not understand? Bail in Thailand is neither raised, nor posted in the same manner as in the USA.

The government made sure that enough redtape was put in the way to interfere with the raising of the bail. Get real.

[Robby nz]

Some people have convenient memories. The government froze bank accounts so money couldn't be accessed for the bail.

I don't know why Thaksin is getting blamed (once again). The government has forbidden the transfer of any funds from Mr. Thaksin into Thailand. Would those condemning Mr. Thaksin prefer that he circumvented the legal restrictions and face new criminal charges? What part of a seizure order do you not understand? Bail in Thailand is neither raised, nor posted in the same manner as in the USA.

The government made sure that enough redtape was put in the way to interfere with the raising of the bail. Get real.

Another very bad red inspired excuse.

There was plenty of money to offer multi milliom Baht bail to the leaders and as it was not accepted and the leaders are still locked up then that money is still available to use for the much smaller bail amounts of the expendable little fish.

There is also the money for the uncountable law actions by Jataporn and others, Lawyers dont come cheap.

Also plenty of funds for the leaders to go visit their big boss in other parts of the world.

The continuing rallys wont come cheap either.

And how much has been spent on producing and editing videos and other attempts to tear the Govt and now the Judges down.

Not to mention the ancient sport of bomb making.

Nope there is plenty of money there all that is (was) lacking is (was) will and forethought, or possibly that should be brains.

Sorry very bad attempt Kid.

[cougar52]

Some people have convenient memories. The government froze bank accounts so money couldn't be accessed for the bail.

I don't know why Thaksin is getting blamed (once again). The government has forbidden the transfer of any funds from Mr. Thaksin into Thailand. Would those condemning Mr. Thaksin prefer that he circumvented the legal restrictions and face new criminal charges? What part of a seizure order do you not understand? Bail in Thailand is neither raised, nor posted in the same manner as in the USA.

The government made sure that enough redtape was put in the way to interfere with the raising of the bail. Get real.

Well, Veera, Jatuporn, had some help, but then they were leaders, the PTP and rich Reds didn't give a <deleted> of the low level worker bees

[Siripon]

fugitive ex-prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra issued a statement calling on the government to release “political prisoners” likening the jailing of red-shirts in Thailand to the situation in Burma, where pro-democracy leader Aung San Suu Yi

Thaksin likening his Red terrorist suspects to Nobel Prize winner Aung San Suu Kyi is the height of absurdity, even by Thaksin's own ridiculous standards. The only commonality they share is that they both have had books written about them:

I remember when Thaksin came back from a business trip to Burma when he was PM and he said he well understood why the junta kept Aung San Suu Yi in jail.

And now he tries to use her release for personal benefit.

What a truly vile human being he is.

[AleG]

Some people have convenient memories. The government froze bank accounts so money couldn't be accessed for the bail.

I don't know why Thaksin is getting blamed (once again). The government has forbidden the transfer of any funds from Mr. Thaksin into Thailand. Would those condemning Mr. Thaksin prefer that he circumvented the legal restrictions and face new criminal charges? What part of a seizure order do you not understand? Bail in Thailand is neither raised, nor posted in the same manner as in the USA.

The government made sure that enough redtape was put in the way to interfere with the raising of the bail. Get real.

This is an early entry for Most Ridiculous Spin of the Week, isn't it?

You may want to think it over 15 or 20 minutes more and see if you can come up with something better.

[Buchholz]

Well, I applaud the PM in his efforts to be fair and get some representation to the unfortunate Red Shirts that believed, ( their leaders, Pheu Thai Party, and even Thaksin. )

Where is the help from all these people. All the Pheu Thai people especially Jutaporn. All these people can do is cause turmoil and do nothing to help the people and the Country.

"Pheu Thai spokesman Prompong Nopparit said the main opposition party doubted the government was sincere in regard to efforts to bring about reconciliation."

At least the PM is putting forth an effort, what has your Party done other than run your mouths like a whippoorwill ass in berry time.

A lot of people are asking those sort of questions, including Red donors

Donors unhappy about money not reaching victims

The red-shirt leaders are back in the spotlight after donors have stepped up to ask why their contributions have failed to reach victims of the April and May crackdown and their surviving relatives.

About 10 of the donors had asked reporters at the Pheu Thai Party exhibition to voice the complaints on their behalf.

Even though a large number of visitors at the exhibition were red shirts, there were also leaflets attacking Pheu Thai candidate Worawut Wichaidit for the Surat Thani by-election and many people told reporters about the financing of the red-shirt movement.

Speaking on condition of anonymity, a woman from Chiang Rai said she and her fellow red-shirt supporters had donated about Bt2 million during the red-shirt rally in Bangkok, which began on March 12.

"Later, I discovered that the funds never reached the survivors of those killed in the crackdown as pledged by the rally organisers," she said, adding she kept making contributions because of her devotion to the movement before eventually losing trust in the red-shirt leaders.

As evidence to back up her story, she showed bank records of her contributions.

[geriatrickid]

Robby nz, do you know something the courts did not know? Let's del with your statements and we'll stick only to the facts, ok?

You state;

There was plenty of money to offer multi milliom Baht bail to the leaders and as it was not accepted and the leaders are still locked up then that money is still available to use for the much smaller bail amounts of the expendable little fish.

What were these multi million baht offers you reference? Would you be kind enough to direct me to a listing of what the bail amounts were? My understanding is that bail was not even offered. The decision in June was to hold the accused leaders as "terrorists" and bail was not even a consideration. The court ruled that there would be no bail. Therefore, I do not know why you would even say that there was an offer for multimillion dollar bail amounts. It was a no go from day one. The bail for jataporn was only 1million baht.

Then you state;

There is also the money for the uncountable law actions by Jataporn and others, Lawyers dont come cheap.

You have just answered your own question as to why bail cannot be raised for some. The cost of the legal defense is such that people have to choose. The Redshirts are not awash in money. Maybe you think they have tens of millions of baht, but they do not. The cost of legal defense is burning away the little money left.

Also plenty of funds for the leaders to go visit their big boss in other parts of the world.

How many of the leaders have traveled abroad? 100? 50? 10? less than 5? I think that the number is quite small, unless you wish to provide a specific head count instead of innuendo.

The continuing rallys wont come cheap either.

Rallies do cost money. However, would you rather the angry people did not have an outlet to vent? It's either that or a rampage. I think you will agree that a peaceful rally is in everyone's best interests.

And how much has been spent on producing and editing videos and other attempts to tear the Govt and now the Judges down.

Oh, and so no the money has been diverted to a plot. I think most kids today can do a youtube video for under 1000baht. The EC court issue is not really related to the Reds. I think those are the Dems doing that.

Not to mention the ancient sport of bomb making.

Now you are making an accusation of criminal acts. Basically you are saying the money is used to finance violent attacks. Prove it. Bring your proof to the government authorities so that they can stop these people. Can you prove your allegation? No I didn't think so.

Nope there is plenty of money there all that is (was) lacking is (was) will and forethought, or possibly that should be brains.

Wrong. There is no money. The redshirts have been running on vapors for the past 6 months. The government successfully seized the funds under the anti terror law and has frozen any support transfers. To deny this is tantamount to saying that PM Abhisit is a liar. On this aspect, PM Abhisit and his finance minister Korn moved faced and effectively.

Sorry very bad attempt Kid.

Put on your thinking cap. The inability of the Reds to bail all of their members says that the government did a good job in freezing and seizing assets. The government won the battle. Now Abhisit is going in for the kill, rubbing salt into the wound, and saying see your side cannot take care of you, but we will.

It will fool the simpleminded, but not those that understand how the government shut the Redshirts down. I do not like the current government, but they outmanouvered the Redshirts bigtime because they acted with calculated thought, not raw emotion.

Edited November 15, 2010 by geriatrickid

[Pi Sek]

Some people have convenient memories. The government froze bank accounts so money couldn't be accessed for the bail.

I don't know why Thaksin is getting blamed (once again). The government has forbidden the transfer of any funds from Mr. Thaksin into Thailand. Would those condemning Mr. Thaksin prefer that he circumvented the legal restrictions and face new criminal charges? What part of a seizure order do you not understand? Bail in Thailand is neither raised, nor posted in the same manner as in the USA.

The government made sure that enough redtape was put in the way to interfere with the raising of the bail. Get real.

I see this frankly ridiculous post has already been dissected and chastised by other posters.

"geriatrickid" has expressed a number of points of view in the past, and quite eloquently at times... but I'm afraid you're talking kaka here.

[Robby nz]

Well, I applaud the PM in his efforts to be fair and get some representation to the unfortunate Red Shirts that believed, ( their leaders, Pheu Thai Party, and even Thaksin. )

Where is the help from all these people. All the Pheu Thai people especially Jutaporn. All these people can do is cause turmoil and do nothing to help the people and the Country.

"Pheu Thai spokesman Prompong Nopparit said the main opposition party doubted the government was sincere in regard to efforts to bring about reconciliation."

At least the PM is putting forth an effort, what has your Party done other than run your mouths like a whippoorwill ass in berry time.

A lot of people are asking those sort of questions, including Red donors

Donors unhappy about money not reaching victims

The red-shirt leaders are back in the spotlight after donors have stepped up to ask why their contributions have failed to reach victims of the April and May crackdown and their surviving relatives.

About 10 of the donors had asked reporters at the Pheu Thai Party exhibition to voice the complaints on their behalf.

Even though a large number of visitors at the exhibition were red shirts, there were also leaflets attacking Pheu Thai candidate Worawut Wichaidit for the Surat Thani by-election and many people told reporters about the financing of the red-shirt movement.

Speaking on condition of anonymity, a woman from Chiang Rai said she and her fellow red-shirt supporters had donated about Bt2 million during the red-shirt rally in Bangkok, which began on March 12.

"Later, I discovered that the funds never reached the survivors of those killed in the crackdown as pledged by the rally organisers," she said, adding she kept making contributions because of her devotion to the movement before eventually losing trust in the red-shirt leaders.

As evidence to back up her story, she showed bank records of her contributions.

The consequence of it all must be the reds and PTP losing support because of the greed and thoughtless actions of the leaders.

It will be interesting to see the results of the by-elections coming up soon.

Also be interesting to see if the Dems are allowed to do any promotion in the north and east in the run up as the PTP did in Surat Thani or if red democracy will take over.

[Buchholz]

Some people have convenient memories. The government froze bank accounts so money couldn't be accessed for the bail.

I don't know why Thaksin is getting blamed (once again). The government has forbidden the transfer of any funds from Mr. Thaksin into Thailand. Would those condemning Mr. Thaksin prefer that he circumvented the legal restrictions and face new criminal charges? What part of a seizure order do you not understand? Bail in Thailand is neither raised, nor posted in the same manner as in the USA.

The government made sure that enough redtape was put in the way to interfere with the raising of the bail. Get real.

Those suspected Red Shirts funds were unfrozen since last August.

Additionally,

May 18, 2010

A UDD leader has admitted the red shirt rally has received financial support from ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra and Khunying Sudarat Keyuraphan, the former deputy leader of the dissolved Thai Rak Thai party . "I accept that Thaksin himself and some politicians, including Khunying Sudarat, have given us financial support, as have other donors, but I don't know how much they've donated," UDD co-leader Jaran Dithapichai said on the Ratchaprasong rally stage last night.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

August 16, 2010

A woman identified as Mrs Kor has been implicated by a key suspect of being a money courier for the red-shirted protests in May, authorities said yesterday.

"If he further incriminates the woman and the DSI can obtain more evidence against her, an arrest warrant will be sought for this [new] suspect," Tharit Phengdit, directorgeneral of the Department of Special Investigation, said yesterday.

Jakchalat Khongsuwan, a chauffeur and personal bodyguard for Army specialist Khattiya Sawasdipol, who was killed by a sniper in the protests, is still in military custody after his arrest last week, so has not been interrogated by the DSI, Tharit said.

[Pi Sek]

Robby nz, do you know something the courts did not know? Let's del with your statements and we'll stick only to the facts, ok?

You state;

There was plenty of money to offer multi milliom Baht bail to the leaders and as it was not accepted and the leaders are still locked up then that money is still available to use for the much smaller bail amounts of the expendable little fish.

What were these multi million baht offers you reference? Would you be kind enough to direct me to a listing of what the bail amounts were? My understanding is that bail was not even offered. The decision in June was to hold the accused leaders as "terrorists" and bail was not even a consideration. The court ruled that there would be no bail. Therefore, I do not know why you would even say that there was an offer for multimillion dollar bail amounts. It was a no go from day one. The bail for jataporn was only 1million baht.

Then you state;

There is also the money for the uncountable law actions by Jataporn and others, Lawyers dont come cheap.

You have just answered your own question as to why bail cannot be raised for some. The cost of the legal defense is such that people have to choose. The Redshirts are not awash in money. Maybe you think they have tens of millions of baht, but they do not. The cost of legal defense is burning away the little money left.

Also plenty of funds for the leaders to go visit their big boss in other parts of the world.

How many of the leaders have traveled abroad? 100? 50? 10? less than 5? I think that the number is quite small, unless you wish to provide a specific head count instead of innuendo.

The continuing rallys wont come cheap either.

Rallies do cost money. However, would you rather the angry people did not have an outlet to vent? It's either that or a rampage. I think you will agree that a peaceful rally is in everyone's best interests.

And how much has been spent on producing and editing videos and other attempts to tear the Govt and now the Judges down.

Oh, and so no the money has been diverted to a plot. I think most kids today can do a youtube video for under 1000baht. The EC court issue is not really related to the Reds. I think those are the Dems doing that.

Not to mention the ancient sport of bomb making.

Now you are making an accusation of criminal acts. Basically you are saying the money is used to finance violent attacks. Prove it. Bring your proof to the government authorities so that they can stop these people. Can you prove your allegation? No I didn't think so.

Nope there is plenty of money there all that is (was) lacking is (was) will and forethought, or possibly that should be brains.

Wrong. There is no money. The redshirts have been running on vapors for the past 6 months. The government successfully seized the funds under the anti terror law and has frozen any support transfers. To deny this is tantamount to saying that PM Abhisit is a liar. On this aspect, PM Abhisit and his finance minister Korn moved faced and effectively.

Sorry very bad attempt Kid.

Put on your thinking cap. The inability of the Reds to bail all of their members says that the government did a good job in freezing and seizing assets. The government won the battle. Now Abhisit is going in for the kill, rubbing salt into the wound, and saying see your side cannot take care of you, but we will.

It will fool the simpleminded, but not those that understand how the government shut the Redshirts down. I do not like the current government, but they outmanouvered the Redshirts bigtime because they acted with calculated thought, not raw emotion.

OK, here we go...

- Multi-millions offered to the red leaders, legal fees, etc. Are you saying they are self-funded? C'mon...!

- Small legal costs for Jatuporn, not for the supporters? According to Abhisit, bail in many cases is as much as 40-50,000 Baht. This is too much for the red shirts? A few trucks of tyres - or even a couple of return trips to Dubai - costs much more than that!

- Denying that the video clips campaign to discredit the govt and courts has not been Red-Shirt-sponsored? Admittedly this is just speculation, but who else would it be? The Southern insurgency movement? The Cambodians? Israel? Nah, I'll stick with the obvious, although I'll admit this is just my point of view.

- No money? Ha! This is all done on credit? Please, stop, before you make it worse.

- Bomb making? Are you seriously STILL denying that bomb-making is not an action of some facets - bastardised or otherwise - of the "Red Shirt movement"?

Anyway, this is just another attempt to separate the UDD from Thaksin. Even the medium between the two, PTP, say this isn't true.

I don't want to sound harsh on you, but you really do deserve it in this case.

[Buchholz]

fugitive ex-prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra issued a statement calling on the government to release “political prisoners” likening the jailing of red-shirts in Thailand to the situation in Burma, where pro-democracy leader Aung San Suu Yi

Thaksin likening his Red terrorist suspects to Nobel Prize winner Aung San Suu Kyi is the height of absurdity, even by Thaksin's own ridiculous standards. The only commonality they share is that they both have had books written about them:

I remember when Thaksin came back from a business trip to Burma when he was PM and he said he well understood why the junta kept Aung San Suu Yi in jail.

And now he tries to use her release for personal benefit.

What a truly vile human being he is.

Thaksin Accepts Reasons for Detaining Suu Kyi

The Irrawaddy - December 13, 2004

Thai Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra says he understands why the Burmese government continues to hold opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi under house arrest.

Speaking in his weekly radio address, Thaksin said he found the reasons given by the Rangoon government for Suu Kyi’s continued detention “reasonable enough and convincing.”

Thaksin raised the issue of Suu Ky’s detention when he met the Burmese leader Sr-Gen Than Shwe during the Buddhist conference in Rangoon last week. He said Than Shwe had told him Suu Kyi remained under house arrest “because the last three times that (she) has been released it would always lead to difficulties.”

[Buchholz]

Robby nz, do you know something the courts did not know? Let's del with your statements and we'll stick only to the facts, ok?

You state;

There was plenty of money to offer multi milliom Baht bail to the leaders and as it was not accepted and the leaders are still locked up then that money is still available to use for the much smaller bail amounts of the expendable little fish.

What were these multi million baht offers you reference? Would you be kind enough to direct me to a listing of what the bail amounts were? My understanding is that bail was not even offered.

Red-shirt leaders' defence team will keep asking for bail

The Nation - August 18, 2010

The red-shirt leaders' defence team vowed yesterday to continue requesting bail despite its latest failure in securing temporary release of its seven clients under remand over terrorism charges.

The defence has apparently raised Bt17 million in bail money for the defendants but omitted to submit fresh arguments to overcome previous rejections of the release requests, the Criminal Court said in its bail review.

[Buchholz]

Therefore, I do not know why you would even say that there was an offer for multimillion dollar bail amounts. It was a no go from day one. The bail for jataporn was only 1million baht.

Court releases Veera on Bt6-million bail

The Nation - July 31, 2010

The Appeals Court yesterday allowed red-shirt leader Veera Musigapong temporary release under a Bt6-million bail guarantee pending indictment and trial on terrorism charges.

[Buchholz]

The Redshirts are not awash in money. Maybe you think they have tens of millions of baht, but they do not. The cost of legal defense is burning away the little money left.

Questions raised over TV hosts' assets

The Nation - August 15, 2008

Senator Ruangkrai Leekijwattana voiced suspicion yesterday over where the three hosts of "The Truth of Today" program got millions of baht to buy shares in a private company.

Ruangkrai questioned how Government Spokesman Nattawut Saikua, People Power Party MP Jatuporn Prompan, and Veera Musikapong had the money to buy shares in Puan Pong Nong Pi Co Ltd.

He said an official document listing the company shareholders dated April 2007 showed that Nattawut held 200,000 shares worth 20 Million Baht, Jatuporn held 100,000 shares worth 10 Million Baht, and Veera held 100,000 shares worth 10 Million Baht in the company.

He asked where the three got the money to own these shares.

He had found that in April and June, Nattawut sold 100,000 shares worth 10 Million Baht to former PM's Office Minister Jakrapob Penkair. But Jakrapob only declared assets totaling 9 Million Baht in his formal declaration, he said. Ruangkrai asked where the 10 Million Baht Jakrapob used to buy the shares came from.

[monkfish]

Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva has pledged to continue filing bail applications for some 40 to 50 individuals unwittingly involved in the red-shirt riots following his intervention to secure the temporary release of three such individuals last week.

The opening sentence.

What does it mean?

[Robby nz]

geriatrickid, on 2010-11-15 11:19, said:

Therefore, I do not know why you would even say that there was an offer for multimillion dollar bail amounts. It was a no go from day one. The bail for jataporn was only 1million baht.

Is Jataporn actually out on bail?

It is my understanding he has some sort of parliamentery immunity.

Which I would immagine would end as soon as the house is desolved prior to the next election.

If this is the case then it will be "do not pass go etc"

Or possible he will have to take an overseas holiday as soon as the disolution is announced only to return when (if) he is announced as a list MP again.

It would seem others have answered your points Kid, saves me the trouble.

[whybother]

Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva has pledged to continue filing bail applications for some 40 to 50 individuals unwittingly involved in the red-shirt riots following his intervention to secure the temporary release of three such individuals last week.

The opening sentence.

What does it mean?

To me it means that these people were where they shouldn't be when they shouldn't have been, but probably weren't doing something they shouldn't have.

edit: but it does appear that they are all recognised as red shirt members.

Edited November 15, 2010 by whybother

[webfact]

PM: Govt to Help Jailed Red-Shirts without an Attorney

The prime minister is asking that the two red shirt protesters who were released on bail maintain good behavior, while defending the government's sincerity in protecting the rights of detained red shirt members and promoting national reconciliation.

In his weekly television address, Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva clarified details of the release, on bail, of two red shirt protesters who were being held in custody for violating the emergency rule, saying that it is part of the government's effort to ensure that the basic rights of red shirt detainees are protected, as well as to foster national reconciliation.

He added that the National Human Rights Committee has found that at least 40 of the 180 detained red shirt members are without legal representation.

Abhisit said that they are entitled to assistance from the government.

Abhisit said that the Justice Ministry will consider granting bail to detained red shirt members who are being held for minor offenses and will provide financial assistance to those who cannot afford bail by lending them money from the ministry's fund.

He stressed that the freed red-shirt members should be on their best behavior and abide by bail conditions so as to help better facilitate the consideration of bail applications submitted by those who are still in prison.

-- Tan Network 2010-11-15

[Buchholz]

geriatrickid, on 2010-11-15 11:19, said:

Therefore, I do not know why you would even say that there was an offer for multimillion dollar bail amounts. It was a no go from day one. The bail for jataporn was only 1million baht.

Is Jataporn actually out on bail?

It is my understanding he has some sort of parliamentary immunity.

It would seem others have answered your points Kid, saves me the trouble.

His parliamentary immunity expired when the House ended its session last June. Subsequent to that,

Court grants bail to Jatuporn, Karun

The Nation - June 8, 2010

BANGKOK: -- The Criminal Court Tuesday granted bail to Pheu Thai MPs Jatuporn Promphan and Karun Hosakul after the two posted Bt1 million in cash as guarantee each.

The Department of Special Investigations asked the court to detain the two without bail, but the court disagreed.

The two were charged with instigating people to commit act of terrorism.

[rreddin]

Some people have convenient memories. The government froze bank accounts so money couldn't be accessed for the bail.

I don't know why Thaksin is getting blamed (once again). The government has forbidden the transfer of any funds from Mr. Thaksin into Thailand. Would those condemning Mr. Thaksin prefer that he circumvented the legal restrictions and face new criminal charges? What part of a seizure order do you not understand? Bail in Thailand is neither raised, nor posted in the same manner as in the USA.

The government made sure that enough redtape was put in the way to interfere with the raising of the bail. Get real.

Another very bad red inspired excuse.

There was plenty of money to offer multi milliom Baht bail to the leaders and as it was not accepted and the leaders are still locked up then that money is still available to use for the much smaller bail amounts of the expendable little fish.

There is also the money for the uncountable law actions by Jataporn and others, Lawyers dont come cheap.

Also plenty of funds for the leaders to go visit their big boss in other parts of the world.

The continuing rallys wont come cheap either.

And how much has been spent on producing and editing videos and other attempts to tear the Govt and now the Judges down.

Not to mention the ancient sport of bomb making.

Nope there is plenty of money there all that is (was) lacking is (was) will and forethought, or possibly that should be brains.

Sorry very bad attempt Kid.

Abhisit is not doing this for altruistic reasons.

[rubl]

Some people have convenient memories. The government froze bank accounts so money couldn't be accessed for the bail.

I don't know why Thaksin is getting blamed (once again). The government has forbidden the transfer of any funds from Mr. Thaksin into Thailand. Would those condemning Mr. Thaksin prefer that he circumvented the legal restrictions and face new criminal charges? What part of a seizure order do you not understand? Bail in Thailand is neither raised, nor posted in the same manner as in the USA.

The government made sure that enough redtape was put in the way to interfere with the raising of the bail. Get real.

Another very bad red inspired excuse.

There was plenty of money to offer multi milliom Baht bail to the leaders and as it was not accepted and the leaders are still locked up then that money is still available to use for the much smaller bail amounts of the expendable little fish.

There is also the money for the uncountable law actions by Jataporn and others, Lawyers dont come cheap.

Also plenty of funds for the leaders to go visit their big boss in other parts of the world.

The continuing rallys wont come cheap either.

And how much has been spent on producing and editing videos and other attempts to tear the Govt and now the Judges down.

Not to mention the ancient sport of bomb making.

Nope there is plenty of money there all that is (was) lacking is (was) will and forethought, or possibly that should be brains.

Sorry very bad attempt Kid.

Abhisit is not doing this for altruistic reasons.

Maybe yes, maybe no. So what? If he does nothing I'm sure you can give another fine description for his reasons.

Next.

[asiawatcher]

Therefore, I do not know why you would even say that there was an offer for multimillion dollar bail amounts. It was a no go from day one. The bail for jataporn was only 1million baht.

Court releases Veera on Bt6-million bail

The Nation - July 31, 2010

The Appeals Court yesterday allowed red-shirt leader Veera Musigapong temporary release under a Bt6-million bail guarantee pending indictment and trial on terrorism charges.

Why would anyone grant bail to a suspected terrorist? That is like George Bush granting bail to Bin Laden! <deleted>' stupid move Thailand.....

[Buchholz]

Therefore, I do not know why you would even say that there was an offer for multimillion dollar bail amounts. It was a no go from day one. The bail for jataporn was only 1million baht.

Court releases Veera on Bt6-million bail

The Nation - July 31, 2010

The Appeals Court yesterday allowed red-shirt leader Veera Musigapong temporary release under a Bt6-million bail guarantee pending indictment and trial on terrorism charges.

Why would anyone grant bail to a suspected terrorist?

Nevermind "suspected", The Godfather, Somchai Kunplome, was granted bail AFTER he was convicted of first degree murder AND sentenced to 25 years in prison for that offense.

http://www.nationmul...al_20001524.php

[asiawatcher]

"... Pheu Thai spokesman Prompong Nopparit said the main opposition party doubted the government was sincere in regard to efforts to bring about reconciliation."

So what's new? PT are not serious anyway and have regularly demonstrated they want complete control, not reconcilliation. They don't have the capital or the expertise and by their actions they have left their followers to hang out to dry! Nice. That will entice more members.