Britain to compensate Guantanamo detainees

[mark45y]

Does it matter what they were doing? They are suing because the UK government was complicit in their torture.

Perhaps you have information that we don't have. Could you share it?

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/world/uk-to-compensate-ex-gitmo-detainees/story-e6freoox-1225954718639

"Bisher al Rawi, Jamil el Banna, Richard Belmar, Omar Deghayes, Binyam Mohamed and Martin Mubanga accused Britain's intelligence services of having been complicit in their torture while abroad. The men are among those expected to receive payments.

Most are British citizens or British residents, but some are said to be asylum seekers.

Their allegations include claims that the UK government knew they were being illegally transferred to Guantanamo Bay but failed to prevent their transfer."

Unless I am reading this wrong it says allegations. It says nowhere that the British government was complicit in anything.

[powderpuff]

Because they are British and the British government owed them a duty of care.

Should have been executed on the battlefield. You pick up arms against your country you suffer the consequences.

Most of you are about as hard as a jelly donut.

[Renbe]

British former inmates of Guantanamo Bay are to set to receive large payments from the Government to drop claims that British secret agents knew they were being tortured.

Court papers revealed last year how Mr Mohamed's genitals were sliced with a scalpel and other torture methods employed were so extreme that, according to one court official, waterboarding was "very far down the list of things they did"

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/guantanamo-inmates-set-to-receive-payouts-of-up-to-1631m-2135132.html

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It makes my stomach turn to see human beings being subjected to these kind of practices by countries who consider themselves an example for the rest of the world..

[Ulysses G.]

But not so outraged when it comes to the barbaric practices of Islamic terrorists.

[Renbe]

But not so outraged when it comes to the barbaric practices of Islamic terrorists.

That's why they are barbaric terrorists. When the "Free Democratic World" resorts to the same alleged practices as those terrorists are "we" than any better than "them"

Where is the so called "High Moral Ground" when the West uses torture like :

"Court papers revealed last year how Mr Mohamed's genitals were sliced with a scalpel and other torture methods employed were so extreme that, according to one court official, waterboarding was "very far down the list of things they did"."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/guantanamo-inmates-set-to-receive-payouts-of-up-to-1631m-2135132.html

[koheesti]

"Busher AL Rawi, Jamil el Banna, Richard Belmar, Omar Deghayes, Binyam Mohamed and Martin Mubanga accused Britain's intelligence services of having been complicit in their torture while abroad. The men are among those expected to receive payments.

Most are British citizens or British residents, but some are said to be asylum seekers.

Asylum seekers suing the country where they are seeking asylum? Why not sue their own country that they have to seek asylum from? This just keeps getting more ludicrous all the time.

[mark45y]

British former inmates of Guantanamo Bay are to set to receive large payments from the Government to drop claims that British secret agents knew they were being tortured.

Court papers revealed last year how Mr Mohamed's genitals were sliced with a scalpel and other torture methods employed were so extreme that, according to one court official, waterboarding was "very far down the list of things they did"

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/guantanamo-inmates-set-to-receive-payouts-of-up-to-1631m-2135132.html

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It makes my stomach turn to see human beings being subjected to these kind of practices by countries who consider themselves an example for the rest of the world..

It would seem to me if those practices were going on at Gitmo that is slicing genitals and worse that the world should be made aware of it. If the payments are a cover-up for that then it is too bad.

If however those things are false accusations and the payments are simply a means not to discuss and find the truth then that is spineless.

[Renbe]

"Busher AL Rawi, Jamil el Banna, Richard Belmar, Omar Deghayes, Binyam Mohamed and Martin Mubanga accused Britain's intelligence services of having been complicit in their torture while abroad. The men are among those expected to receive payments.

Most are British citizens or British residents, but some are said to be asylum seekers.

Asylum seekers suing the country where they are seeking asylum? Why not sue their own country that they have to seek asylum from? This just keeps getting more ludicrous all the time.

Could it be because "Britain's intelligence services were complicit in their torture while abroad. " ???

[koheesti]

"Busher AL Rawi, Jamil el Banna, Richard Belmar, Omar Deghayes, Binyam Mohamed and Martin Mubanga accused Britain's intelligence services of having been complicit in their torture while abroad. The men are among those expected to receive payments.

Most are British citizens or British residents, but some are said to be asylum seekers.

Asylum seekers suing the country where they are seeking asylum? Why not sue their own country that they have to seek asylum from? This just keeps getting more ludicrous all the time.

Could it be because "Britain's intelligence services were complicit in their torture while abroad. " ???

Then WHY IN THE WORLD would they want to seek asylum in the country that is (complicit) in torturing them? Why not bring a lawsuit against theirhome country which they are fleeing?

[Wallaby]

Because there are no accusations the country they were fleeing were complicit in the torture.

[Wallaby]

Does it matter what they were doing? They are suing because the UK government was complicit in their torture.

Perhaps you have information that we don't have. Could you share it?

http://www.courierma...x-1225954718639

"Bisher al Rawi, Jamil el Banna, Richard Belmar, Omar Deghayes, Binyam Mohamed and Martin Mubanga accused Britain's intelligence services of having been complicit in their torture while abroad. The men are among those expected to receive payments.

Most are British citizens or British residents, but some are said to be asylum seekers.

Their allegations include claims that the UK government knew they were being illegally transferred to Guantanamo Bay but failed to prevent their transfer."

Unless I am reading this wrong it says allegations. It says nowhere that the British government was complicit in anything.

Yes you are correct, they could be paying up just because they are nice, no truth in the accusations whatsoever. No prisoners were tortured, it's all a dream.

[Ulysses G.]

But not so outraged when it comes to the barbaric practices of Islamic terrorists.

That's why they are barbaric terrorists.

More justifications for terrorism - like a broken record.

[philw]

This is good news, even though no amount of money can compensate for the terrible injustice the so called "War on terror" has caused these people. Guantanamo Bay is an illegal concentration/torture camp, build outside the USA to circumvent USA and International law, to hold people prisoner without giving the right to defend themselves in a court of law.

Imagine a Muslim country building a similar facility to detain Western people who got kidnapped from all over the world, "extraordinary rendered" and then held for many years without any rights whatsoever and eventually released without any charges being made against them.

Exactly, well said

[Ulysses G.]

Imagine a Muslim country building a similar facility to detain Western people who got kidnapped from all over the world, "extraordinary rendered" and then held for many years without any rights whatsoever and eventually released without any charges being made against them.

The terrorist organizations already have them, but, after torturing them, they cut off the kidnapped individual's heads and post the video on You Tube, rather than release them and give them millions of dollars for being inconvenienced.

Edited November 17, 2010 by Ulysses G.

[onnut]

Imagine a Muslim country building a similar facility to detain Western people who got kidnapped from all over the world, "extraordinary rendered" and then held for many years without any rights whatsoever and eventually released without any charges being made against them.

The terrorist organizations already have them, but, after torturing them, they cut off the kidnapped individual's heads and post yhe video on You Tube, rather than release them.

Point Proven!

[endure]

They were held for years in Guantanomo Bay without any criminal charges being laid against them. They were released into the custody of the UK security services and were released a few days later without any criminal charges being laid against them. One would assume that those 2 beacons of justice and fair play (the UK and the US) wouldn't imprison without trial those who they had evidence of criminal behaviour against?

[koheesti]

Because there are no accusations the country they were fleeing were complicit in the torture.

But they are complicit in much worse because they are fleeing that country to the UK. It's all bullshit.

[koheesti]

British former inmates of Guantanamo Bay are to set to receive large payments from the Government to drop claims that British secret agents knew they were being tortured.

Court papers revealed last year how Mr Mohamed's genitals were sliced with a scalpel and other torture methods employed were so extreme that, according to one court official, waterboarding was "very far down the list of things they did"

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http://www.independe...1m-2135132.html

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It makes my stomach turn to see human beings being subjected to these kind of practices by countries who consider themselves an example for the rest of the world..

If that were true, I'd be all for investigations and people going to jail because that is REAL torture. However, sounds like a BS story to get people riled up about the Infidels and get money out of the gov't.

It's common practice for corporations to pay a settlement when they have done nothing wrong simply to avoid the bad publicity. I'm sure there are reasons - other than guilt - that the UK is paying them anything. Let us know when they actually get the money in hand.

[mark45y]

They were held for years in Guantanomo Bay without any criminal charges being laid against them. They were released into the custody of the UK security services and were released a few days later without any criminal charges being laid against them. One would assume that those 2 beacons of justice and fair play (the UK and the US) wouldn't imprison without trial those who they had evidence of criminal behaviour against?

Where did the two beacons of justice and fair play catch these lovely fellows and what were the poor innocent boys doing?

[koheesti]

They were held for years in Guantanomo Bay without any criminal charges being laid against them. They were released into the custody of the UK security services and were released a few days later without any criminal charges being laid against them. One would assume that those 2 beacons of justice and fair play (the UK and the US) wouldn't imprison without trial those who they had evidence of criminal behaviour against?

Where did the two beacons of justice and fair play catch these lovely fellows and what were the poor innocent boys doing?

They flew all the way from the UK to visit their sick granny near Khandahar right in the middle of a war and whilst there went to the market to get some milk when they saw young girls carrying school books so they had to stop to throw acid in their faces and sadly, a US patrol was passing by and the surprise made them drop their Kalishnikovs which accidentally fired in the direction of the soldiers. All just a misunderstanding.

[monkfish]

IF these people were TORTURED and NOT even found GUILTY of any crime.

Then not only should they be compensated but more importantly those responsible charged with WAR crimes.

[mark45y]

IF these people were TORTURED and NOT even found GUILTY of any crime.

Then not only should they be compensated but more importantly those responsible charged with WAR crimes.

Where did they find these people and what were they doing when the military found them?

[koheesti]

IF these people were TORTURED and NOT even found GUILTY of any crime.

Then not only should they be compensated but more importantly those responsible charged with WAR crimes.

Where did they find these people and what were they doing when the military found them?

What were they doing? Most likely war crimes.

[cdnvic]

Removed....

Several posts of flames or quotes of them.

A bunch of posts with mangled, illegible quotes and a misunderstanding that ensued.

One poster who thought I would accept other members being called retarded. (He was wrong)

[Wallaby]

What does it matter what they were doing and where they were found? They were TORTURED.

I wouldn't care what they where doing, it doens't give a government the right to 'allegedly' be complicit on torture.

[mark45y]

What does it matter what they were doing and where they were found? They were TORTURED.

I wouldn't care what they where doing, it doens't give a government the right to 'allegedly' be complicit on torture.

I know it is a difficult issue for you to wrap your head around because you have never been a soldier.

I quoted a Kipling poem earlier but I guess no one got the meaning so I will give it to you in plain language.

I made up my mind not to be captured during war. Like the soldier in the Kipling poem I would have chosen death. I was fighting a ruthless foe who castrated people and cut off appendages and hung them in trees to die.

That is a personal decision. I wouldn't berate anyone for making a different decision. I certainly don't agree with any form of torture.

However having said that if you fight on the side of a force that takes videos of people being beheaded and shows them to their wives and family I think you may as well pack it in when requesting sympathy from me.

Next time there will be no Gitmo. Next time there will be no prisoners taken. Oh, sorry, I thought he was still shooting at me. Sorry about that.

Kipling again.

When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,

And the women come out to cut up what remains,

Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains

An' go to your Gawd like a soldier.

[koheesti]

Removed....

A bunch of posts with mangled, illegible quotes and a misunderstanding that ensued.

thanx.

[Ulysses G.]

What does it matter what they were doing and where they were found? They were TORTURED.

... if you fight on the side of a force that takes videos of people being beheaded and shows them to their wives and family I think you may as well pack it in when requesting sympathy from me.

The terrorist enabler types cry crocodile tears for the radical Muslim hate groups that they champion and none at all for their victims. I would not get too worried about what they claim to think.

[endure]

They were held for years in Guantanomo Bay without any criminal charges being laid against them. They were released into the custody of the UK security services and were released a few days later without any criminal charges being laid against them. One would assume that those 2 beacons of justice and fair play (the UK and the US) wouldn't imprison without trial those who they had evidence of criminal behaviour against?

Where did the two beacons of justice and fair play catch these lovely fellows and what were the poor innocent boys doing?

Apparently nothing that allowed the judicial systems of either the UK or the US to give them a fair trial so they just locked them up for a few years instead. I'm all for punishing the guilty but I'd prefer that they were actually found guilty in a properly constituted court of law first.

[Ulysses G.]

It certainly seems that the former Gitmo detainee that was just absolved of 200 + charges in a civilian court was guilty as sin. He admitted buying bomb making materials - but it could not be used - and he was not water-boarded.

This fellows should get a trial, but in a military court - without all the legal loopholes - where they belong.