Criminal Court Issues Warrant For Jatuporn's Arrest

[whybother]

Arrest warrant for missing the hearing???

ohh these lovely defamation lawsuits. The PM can be proud how he turns the law into a useful tool to deal with his enemies.

Which one of the many defamation lawsuits Abhisit filed against Jatuporn was it exactly?

Amazing really amazing..not a single yellow shirt protester being issued a arrest warrant....some are the very same ministers in the democrat government.

Actually, there have been plenty of arrest warrants issued for yellow shirts. But they have all been given bail, and haven't missed other hearings or broken other laws to have their bail revoked.

Edited December 9, 2010 by whybother

[SergeiY]

Arrest warrant for missing the hearing???

ohh these lovely defamation lawsuits. The PM can be proud how he turns the law into a useful tool to deal with his enemies.

Which one of the many defamation lawsuits Abhisit filed against Jatuporn was it exactly?

Your point is?

Is OK to skip hearings because you don't like the judges. I really don't know a lot about the judges but I take it that these judges are not in the pay of Thaksin.

Does it really mater which one it is still breaking the law. Jatuprn is not above the law he is on Thaksins pay roll. His boss is the one who thinks he is above the law. He should be found guilty on all charges against him and given the strictest penalties. That might be hard on him but it would send the message that Thaksin can not protect you. And as has been shown will not.

Do you disagree with that message?

My point is that The PM can be so proud of doing a good and proper job with filling all these defamation lawsuits.

The opponent just missed an hearing and hehehe, arrest warrant and jail for him. Isn't that fantastic?

I said nothing about Thaksin, please stop trolling.

btw. to object certain judges is also a legal right and according to the law. I see you really don't know much about it.

[jdinasia]

Arrest warrant for missing the hearing???

ohh these lovely defamation lawsuits. The PM can be proud how he turns the law into a useful tool to deal with his enemies.

Which one of the many defamation lawsuits Abhisit filed against Jatuporn was it exactly?

Your point is?

Is OK to skip hearings because you don't like the judges. I really don't know a lot about the judges but I take it that these judges are not in the pay of Thaksin.

Does it really mater which one it is still breaking the law. Jatuprn is not above the law he is on Thaksins pay roll. His boss is the one who thinks he is above the law. He should be found guilty on all charges against him and given the strictest penalties. That might be hard on him but it would send the message that Thaksin can not protect you. And as has been shown will not.

Do you disagree with that message?

My point is that The PM can be so proud of doing a good and proper job with filling all these defamation lawsuits.

The opponent just missed an hearing and hehehe, arrest warrant and jail for him. Isn't that fantastic?

I said nothing about Thaksin, please stop trolling.

btw. to object certain judges is also a legal right and according to the law. I see you really don't know much about it.

Jatuporn and PTP and Thaksin are inextricably linked. It isn't trolling to point that out.

You have not suggested an alternative to following due process and letting the LAW sort out criminally slanderous/libelous remarks meant to inflame violence. That Abhisit isn't crying to the press and is instead going about these cases (not as many as Thaksin and certainly not against the press and seeking $$$ damages) through legal channels should be applauded.

[SergeiY]

Arrest warrant for missing the hearing???

ohh these lovely defamation lawsuits. The PM can be proud how he turns the law into a useful tool to deal with his enemies.

Which one of the many defamation lawsuits Abhisit filed against Jatuporn was it exactly?

No. Just his bail revoked for missing the hearing.

Well, all the news report using the words "arrest warrant". Guess they failed to hire you as the editor who can put the records straight.

An arrest warrant wasn't issued for missing the hearing. His bail was revoked for missing the hearing.

Given that his bail has been revoked, he needs to be arrested again.

Or do you think they revoke his bail and he's allowed to stay free?

yawn.

make a screenshot of your posting and send it to the different news agencies that all using the term 'arrest warrant' maybe they hire you for the job to do a proper job. Don't argue with me about it.

[whybother]

An arrest warrant wasn't issued for missing the hearing. His bail was revoked for missing the hearing.

Given that his bail has been revoked, he needs to be arrested again.

Or do you think they revoke his bail and he's allowed to stay free?

yawn.

make a screenshot of your posting and send it to the different news agencies that all using the term 'arrest warrant' maybe they hire you for the job to do a proper job. Don't argue with me about it.

You have trouble reading, don't you. It must be because you're so tired ... yawning all the time.

I am not saying that an arrest warrant wasn't issued. You said it was issued for him missing a hearing, which isn't actually true. His bail was revoked for missing the hearing. An arrest warrant was issued because his bail was revoked.

Edited December 9, 2010 by whybother

[SergeiY]

You have trouble reading, don't you. It must be because you're so tired ... yawning all the time.

I am not saying that an arrest warrant wasn't issued. You said it was issued for him missing a hearing, which isn't actually true. His bail was revoked for missing the hearing. An arrest warrant was issued because his bail was revoked.

Arrest Warrant Issued for Jatuporn Prompan

The Criminal Court has issued an arrest warrant for red shirt leader Jatuporn Prompan. Jatuporn failed to make an appearance at the court in a defamation suit against him with Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva as the plaintiff. Latest reports indicate that Jatuporn is on his way to the Criminal Court.

-- Tan Network 2010-12-09

Criminal Court revokes bail, issue arrest warrant for Red Shirt leader Jatuporn

Criminal Court revokes bail, issue arrest warrant for Red Shirt leader Jatuporn for failing to appear at court in defamation case filed by PM against him

-- TNA 2010-12-09

Urgent: Criminal Court issues warrant for Jatuporn's arrest

The Criminal Court Thursday issued an arrest warrant against Pheu Thai MP Jatuporn Promphan after he did not turn up for the first hearing in the trial of defamation lawsuit filed against him by Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva.

...

-- The Nation 2010-12-09

okay. you win. you are such good at arguments.

[whybother]

okay. you win. you are such good at arguments.

No I'm not. You just make it too easy.

[jdinasia]

It would appear that you are BOTH correct (look at the middle quote by Serge,

Criminal Court revokes bail, issue arrest warrant for Red Shirt leader Jatuporn

[whybother]

It would appear that you are BOTH correct (look at the middle quote by Serge,

Criminal Court revokes bail, issue arrest warrant for Red Shirt leader Jatuporn

It was question of WHY the arrest warrant was issued. It was issued because bail was revoked.

[SergeiY]

It would appear that you are BOTH correct (look at the middle quote by Serge,

Criminal Court revokes bail, issue arrest warrant for Red Shirt leader Jatuporn

It would appear that is totally trollish to start arguments about that.

[MunterHunter]

Sandpit must me closed today for cleaning, seems the children wanna fight here instead

[whybother]

It would appear that you are BOTH correct (look at the middle quote by Serge,

Criminal Court revokes bail, issue arrest warrant for Red Shirt leader Jatuporn

It would appear that is totally trollish to start arguments about that.

Maybe it was trollish to make incorrect statements in the first place.

[jdinasia]

It would appear that you are BOTH correct (look at the middle quote by Serge,

Criminal Court revokes bail, issue arrest warrant for Red Shirt leader Jatuporn

It would appear that is totally trollish to start arguments about that.

Pardon me? Should I have said you were both wrong? (equally a valid response) since the courts did BOTH ... according to your quote Serge. The Revoked Bail ... AND issued a warrant.

Again -- standard response for Failure to Appear.

(should I increase the font size where you quoted that both actions happened?)

Serge

You still have not answered the question I posed above regarding what Abhisit should do when faced by publicly broadcast lies meant to incite violence against the government.

so here it is again from earlier in this thread......

"You have not suggested an alternative to following due process and letting the LAW sort out criminally slanderous/libelous remarks meant to inflame violence. That Abhisit isn't crying to the press and is instead going about these cases (not as many as Thaksin and certainly not against the press and seeking $$$ damages) through legal channels should be applauded."

[cougar52]

And this is for naught, this from the other paper;

Mr Jatuporn remained free, even though he showed up later outside the court.

"I'm ready to be detained," he declared, "and I insist that I have no intention to evade the court's order, otherwise I would not be dressed up.

So I guess even the court's here have any authority

[cougar52]

And this is for naught, this from the other paper;

Mr Jatuporn remained free, even though he showed up later outside the court.

"I'm ready to be detained," he declared, "and I insist that I have no intention to evade the court's order, otherwise I would not be dressed up.

So I guess even the court's here have no authority

[webfact]

The Criminal Court has granted Jatuporn Prompan bail after he refused to appear in court this morning against defamation charges /TAN_Network

[webfact]

Jaturporn Has Been Granted Bail

Red shirt leader Jatuporn Prompan has been granted bail after an arrest warrant was issued for him this morning by the Criminal Court. He failed to make a court appearance in a defamation suit filed against him by Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva.

-- Tan Network 2010-12-09

[webfact]

Jatuporn released on bail again

The Criminal Court Thursday allowed Jatuporn to be released on bail again after revoking his bail briefly.

The court released Jatuporn temporarily at 3:30 pm after he used his MP position as a guarantee.

The court revoked his bail in the morning and issued an arrest warrant against him after he failed to turn up for the first hearing in the trial of defamation suit filed by Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva.

-- The Nation 2010-12-09

[whybother]

His bail is revoked because he didn't appear.

He turns up at court, but refuses to appear.

He is released on bail again.

[SergeiY]

It would appear that you are BOTH correct (look at the middle quote by Serge,

Criminal Court revokes bail, issue arrest warrant for Red Shirt leader Jatuporn

It would appear that is totally trollish to start arguments about that.

Pardon me? Should I have said you were both wrong? (equally a valid response) since the courts did BOTH ... according to your quote Serge. The Revoked Bail ... AND issued a warrant.

Again -- standard response for Failure to Appear.

(should I increase the font size where you quoted that both actions happened?)

Serge

You still have not answered the question I posed above regarding what Abhisit should do when faced by publicly broadcast lies meant to incite violence against the government.

so here it is again from earlier in this thread......

"You have not suggested an alternative to following due process and letting the LAW sort out criminally slanderous/libelous remarks meant to inflame violence. That Abhisit isn't crying to the press and is instead going about these cases (not as many as Thaksin and certainly not against the press and seeking $$$ damages) through legal channels should be applauded."

a) sometimes is no reason to start to argue about, except for some trollish bickering. (and i didn't mean you in my comment)

what the PM should do? I gave that answer in the other thread and waiting for some answers there too. Like the question how many lawsuits Abhisit has filed at all and how many of them he has won. You seems to know that otherwise you couldn't make the statement above.

Edited December 9, 2010 by SergeiY

[jdinasia]

It would appear that is totally trollish to start arguments about that.

Pardon me? Should I have said you were both wrong? (equally a valid response) since the courts did BOTH ... according to your quote Serge. The Revoked Bail ... AND issued a warrant.

Again -- standard response for Failure to Appear.

(should I increase the font size where you quoted that both actions happened?)

Serge

You still have not answered the question I posed above regarding what Abhisit should do when faced by publicly broadcast lies meant to incite violence against the government.

so here it is again from earlier in this thread......

"You have not suggested an alternative to following due process and letting the LAW sort out criminally slanderous/libelous remarks meant to inflame violence. That Abhisit isn't crying to the press and is instead going about these cases (not as many as Thaksin and certainly not against the press and seeking $ damages) through legal channels should be applauded."

a) sometimes is no reason to start to argue about, except for some trollish bickering. (and i didn't mean you in my comment)

what the PM should do? I gave that answer in the other thread and waiting for some answers there too. Like the question how many lawsuits Abhisit has filed at all and how many of them he has won. You seems to know that otherwise you couldn't make the statement above.

Actually, I do remember you stating that they were wasted effort and had no results (while it was you yourself that pointed out that at least one of the cases had been decided in Abhisit's favor.)

Again --- Abhisit is following due process of law and not seeking punitive damages (unlike Thaksin) and is not going after the press (unlike Thaksin). I will let you do the research on the numbers but Thaksin was WOTT in his suits and used them to stifle the press and threaten people's livlihoods. Abhisit appears to be only going after the malicious statements such as him ordering the deaths of civilians. (It is worth noting that Thaksin did NOT sue anyone over him being publicly accused of backing extra-judicial killings in the war on drugs --- why? Perhaps he didn't want THAT case argued in a court openly!)

Please feel free to post the link where you suggested what Abhisit should do. After all, he only has to appear to testify on a few occasions (only 2 that I know of) the rest can be dealt with directly by evidence against the accused.

This is Thailand, where if he does nothing he is assumed guilty. At least when he wins these legal battles, the Reds can't continue with the same lie. Thankfully he hasn't been pursuing vindictive prosecution for defamation. (IMHO)

[jayjay0]

Arrest warrant for missing the hearing???

ohh these lovely defamation lawsuits. The PM can be proud how he turns the law into a useful tool to deal with his enemies.

Which one of the many defamation lawsuits Abhisit filed against Jatuporn was it exactly?

Your point is?

Is OK to skip hearings because you don't like the judges. I really don't know a lot about the judges but I take it that these judges are not in the pay of Thaksin.

Does it really mater which one it is still breaking the law. Jatuprn is not above the law he is on Thaksins pay roll. His boss is the one who thinks he is above the law. He should be found guilty on all charges against him and given the strictest penalties. That might be hard on him but it would send the message that Thaksin can not protect you. And as has been shown will not.

Do you disagree with that message?

My point is that The PM can be so proud of doing a good and proper job with filling all these defamation lawsuits.

The opponent just missed an hearing and hehehe, arrest warrant and jail for him. Isn't that fantastic?

I said nothing about Thaksin, please stop trolling.

btw. to object certain judges is also a legal right and according to the law. I see you really don't know much about it.

I never said it was illegal to object to certain judges. I would like to point out to you what you already know but do not admit.

It is not OK to miss a hearing because you don't like the judges. Why do you try to deflect that statement into your never never land.

It is OK to have a opinion but when you try to attack facts with that opinion you are making a fool of your self.

I mentioned Thaksin because I believe there are a lot of judges on his pay roll and I do not believe these judges are.

It would naturaly fall that Jatuporn who is on it would want those judges. Nothing complicated about it.

[jayjay0]

Serge jdinasia said

You still have not answered the question I posed above regarding what Abhisit should do when faced by publicly broadcast lies meant to incite violence against the government.

so here it is again from earlier in this thread......

"You have not suggested an alternative to following due process and letting the LAW sort out criminally slanderous/libelous remarks meant to inflame violence. That Abhisit isn't crying to the press and is instead going about these cases (not as many as Thaksin and certainly not against the press and seeking $ damages) through legal channels should be applauded."

Your answer was

a) sometimes is no reason to start to argue about, except for some trollish bickering. (and i didn't mean you in my comment)

what the PM should do? I gave that answer in the other thread and waiting for some answers there too. Like the question how many lawsuits Abhisit has filed at all and how many of them he has won. You seems to know that otherwise you couldn't make the statement above.

Let me get this straight you gave the answers on another anonymous thread and you are now waiting for answers.

Two things

1 You are running off at the mouth on this thread try to stop dragging in irrelevant items. You are not very good at that but you keep trying.

2 If you gave the answers on this anonymous thread what answers are you waiting for. People generally get answers when they ask questions not when they give answers.

Edited December 9, 2010 by jayjay0

[gemini81]

Arrest warrant for missing the hearing???

ohh these lovely defamation lawsuits. The PM can be proud how he turns the law into a useful tool to deal with his enemies.

Which one of the many defamation lawsuits Abhisit filed against Jatuporn was it exactly?

Same as any other country, failure to appear, you oughta know that!

In addition to the many other things against him. He truly thinks he's above the law, and that having a temporary political position can give him amnesty or leverage to get out of wrong doings.

This has nothing to do with Abhisit, he's not a judge delivering bench warrants, my friend.

[asiawatcher]

Arrest warrant for missing the hearing???

ohh these lovely defamation lawsuits. The PM can be proud how he turns the law into a useful tool to deal with his enemies.

Which one of the many defamation lawsuits Abhisit filed against Jatuporn was it exactly?

Who cares? Just get the as*hole off the streets and stop him from twisting the law to his own nefarious activities!

[animatic]

Arrest warrant for missing the hearing???

ohh these lovely defamation lawsuits. The PM can be proud how he turns the law into a useful tool to deal with his enemies.

Which one of the many defamation lawsuits Abhisit filed against Jatuporn was it exactly?

Your point is?

Is OK to skip hearings because you don't like the judges. I really don't know a lot about the judges but I take it that these judges are not in the pay of Thaksin.

Does it really mater which one it is still breaking the law. Jatuprn is not above the law he is on Thaksins pay roll. His boss is the one who thinks he is above the law. He should be found guilty on all charges against him and given the strictest penalties. That might be hard on him but it would send the message that Thaksin can not protect you. And as has been shown will not.

Do you disagree with that message?

I think our friend Serge would like to see these battles never enter the legal realm (where the truth is the issue) and would prefer them to be fought on a public stage. Thankfully, rule of law is being reestablished in Thailand.

"Jatuprn is not above the law he is on Thaksins pay roll. ... who thinks he is above the law.

He should be found guilty on all charges against him and given the strictest penalties.

... it would send the message that Thaksin can not protect you."

Agreed 100%,

it is the Thaksin clique of the nouveu amartya that is Thailands present biggest problem.

[SergeiY]

Arrest warrant for missing the hearing???

ohh these lovely defamation lawsuits. The PM can be proud how he turns the law into a useful tool to deal with his enemies.

Which one of the many defamation lawsuits Abhisit filed against Jatuporn was it exactly?

Your point is?

Is OK to skip hearings because you don't like the judges. I really don't know a lot about the judges but I take it that these judges are not in the pay of Thaksin.

Does it really mater which one it is still breaking the law. Jatuprn is not above the law he is on Thaksins pay roll. His boss is the one who thinks he is above the law. He should be found guilty on all charges against him and given the strictest penalties. That might be hard on him but it would send the message that Thaksin can not protect you. And as has been shown will not.

Do you disagree with that message?

I think our friend Serge would like to see these battles never enter the legal realm (where the truth is the issue) and would prefer them to be fought on a public stage. Thankfully, rule of law is being reestablished in Thailand.

"Jatuprn is not above the law he is on Thaksins pay roll. ... who thinks he is above the law.

He should be found guilty on all charges against him and given the strictest penalties.

... it would send the message that Thaksin can not protect you."

Agreed 100%,

it is the Thaksin clique of the nouveu amartya that is Thailands present biggest problem.

Probably not statements you should make if you are a big fan and supporter of defamation lawsuits.

[SergeiY]

Arrest warrant for missing the hearing???

ohh these lovely defamation lawsuits. The PM can be proud how he turns the law into a useful tool to deal with his enemies.

Which one of the many defamation lawsuits Abhisit filed against Jatuporn was it exactly?

Same as any other country, failure to appear, you oughta know that!

In addition to the many other things against him. He truly thinks he's above the law, and that having a temporary political position can give him amnesty or leverage to get out of wrong doings.

This has nothing to do with Abhisit, he's not a judge delivering bench warrants, my friend.

The defamation lawsuit was filed by Abhisit. Don't tell me it has nothing to do with him. Don't steal his 'fame'.

Of course the judges make the decisions but its also a little PR work for Abhisit, these defamation lawsuits. It works for the image of Abhisit in the eyes of the public, otherwise the PM shouldn't be bothered to fill these defamation lawsuits at all if no-one take notice of them, right?

[jdinasia]

Arrest warrant for missing the hearing???

ohh these lovely defamation lawsuits. The PM can be proud how he turns the law into a useful tool to deal with his enemies.

Which one of the many defamation lawsuits Abhisit filed against Jatuporn was it exactly?

Same as any other country, failure to appear, you oughta know that!

In addition to the many other things against him. He truly thinks he's above the law, and that having a temporary political position can give him amnesty or leverage to get out of wrong doings.

This has nothing to do with Abhisit, he's not a judge delivering bench warrants, my friend.

The defamation lawsuit was filed by Abhisit. Don't tell me it has nothing to do with him. Don't steal his 'fame'.

Of course the judges make the decisions but its also a little PR work for Abhisit, these defamation lawsuits. It works for the image of Abhisit in the eyes of the public, otherwise the PM shouldn't be bothered to fill these defamation lawsuits at all if no-one take notice of them, right?

Serge is right,

If rule of law is important then Abhisit should do as he is doing. Use the courts to determine the TRUTH about the malicious lies told about him. Yes, it is about PR and "face". This is Thailand and to let people lie publicly unchallenged is almost an admission of guilt in some people's eyes. These are not the frivolous and punitive lawsuits carried out by Thaksin where threatening the press with multi million dollar lawsuits was an attempt to stop criticism. Instead these lawsuits are about criminally malicious lies that can be stopped by legal means without getting on stage and crying to the world making a public spectacle.

I am glad to see that Serge has come around to accepting this.

[gamini]

He, and the Reds, were offered a disolution of Parliment in November 2011 with new elections to be held. If the offer was legitimate, in writing, with a public signing of the agreement, I thought that would have been a fair deal at the time. Especially given the "Thai face" that was on show by both sides. The Prime Minister would have held power for another 6 months and Jutuporn would have acheived his goal by ousting the Government with new elections to be held, all be it, at a later date. In any case, it would have taken months, if not years, under military control, to organise another election. The irony is, he would probably be in power now, with some help from Mr. T who would have splashed some more cash around if he/they took the deal.

When the next election is eventually held, and Mr. T splashes his cash again, the Reds will have the numbers again and the country will go back to the Yellows protesting. This will continue until the real issues that divide this country are finally addressed.

You might want to go back to look at the 2007 election results, address the fact that Newin etc have dropped out of the PPP/PTP/TRT alliance etc. Then remember that after the arson etc that reds have lost some significant support from anyone that considers themselves moderates AND that their new "leader", Thida, Weng's wife isn't the most well liked woman due to her communist links.

The next elections look like something similar to what we have now. A Dem led coalition government.

I think you are right. I hope the Dems can work out a "no contest pact" and form a pre election alliance, then they can easily defeat the PPT in the same way France and Italy defeated the communists in Europe after the war in spite of the fact they were the largest parties.