au contraire sarahs bloke, i have no interest in you or anything you post until you step over the line & I need to moderate. stay within the rules & I will happily have nothing to do with you but please do take off the tin foil hat, I'm not out to get you.

gawd

Anything wrong with a man who makes babies with a woman he loves?

does the post you have quoted of mine have any relevance to your off topic question?

from the Bud Light 'Real Men of Genius' Radio spot series: Mr. Mail Order Bride Orderer

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=9v2QLIWA5g0

... 'cause we have a bunch of 'em.

Edited December 11, 201015 yr by jazzbo

Cutting off and eating my own head is massively preferable to reading an article in The Daily Hate about feminism.

The impression I got from the article was a guy who criticised others for not manning up, then goes on to try and show how he does. I wonder who he is trying to convince himself or others.

There can be various combinations in relationships, the important thing is that both partners are getting what they require out of the relationship.

The guy wishes to be percieved as a manly man by those outside his relationship..........but I think from the bravado.....the need to cheat ......this is maybe not the case.

Edited December 11, 201015 yr by 473geo

After finally getting to read the article (slow internet prevented reading it before) I came to the conclusion it's just another "shock Jock" comment written to incite others. It's a rather snide attempt at ridiculing certain men who don't fit into the writer's narrow framework of what makes a REAL man.

What i find interesting is that people will comment without actually reading the article, purely because they dislike the paper.

I have no idea about the Mail. I never read it. Even when i lived in the UK. The topic came up for discussion on a fitness forum, and one poster linked this article. I read the article without any preconceived notions about whether i deemed the newspaper high-brow enough for me even to even subject myself to reading it. Its not a monologue, and takes a matter of moments to read. To read or not to read, is completely each persons choice. But...to comment on something without actually reading it, doesnt quite make sense to me.

I knew it would bring up mixed opinions, but i had thought it be something interesting to discuss. For, i find it interesting to read peoples viewpoints, when they actually have a viewpoint to offer.

After finally getting to read the article (slow internet prevented reading it before) I came to the conclusion it's just another "shock Jock" comment written to incite others. It's a rather snide attempt at ridiculing certain men who don't fit into the writer's narrow framework of what makes a REAL man.

seems like Ian is agreeing with me!

this could be the first....does it mean there may be more to come?

does the post you have quoted of mine have any relevance to your off topic question?

You sound doubtful. I thought it was right on topic. Men and women have been making babies for years. Long before feminism came along. Let's hope it continues.

Equal pay, equal rights, equal opportunity, equal respect. But you can't fight the biological. Regards. chris

After finally getting to read the article (slow internet prevented reading it before) I came to the conclusion it's just another "shock Jock" comment written to incite others. It's a rather snide attempt at ridiculing certain men who don't fit into the writer's narrow framework of what makes a REAL man.

seems like Ian is agreeing with me!

this could be the first....does it mean there may be more to come?

It's not a first, Miggy. You just don't know me. I'm an analytical person and look at both sides of all discussions. That doesn' t mean the writer wasn't successful in his article and the response he wanted from it. There is "some" merit to what he said, but it was really a troll.

wimpy men allow themselves to be wimps but find it easier to blame feminism rather than acknoledge their own weakness.

There are plenty of men who aren't wimpy or weak but who are able to accept/not feel threatened by a women & who don't blame feminism/women for all of their issues in life.

This is true, but there are many reasons why it happened. And, it's very often it's caused by a mother being too over possessive of her son. From a boy's viewpoint it is very difficult to break away from that cycle. I knew several good looking men who were turned into wimps by their mothers. One eventually wound up murdering his wife and family. I knew the guy personally.

What i find interesting is that people will comment without actually reading the article, purely because they dislike the paper.

I have no idea about the Mail. I never read it. Even when i lived in the UK. The topic came up for discussion on a fitness forum, and one poster linked this article. I read the article without any preconceived notions about whether i deemed the newspaper high-brow enough for me even to even subject myself to reading it. Its not a monologue, and takes a matter of moments to read. To read or not to read, is completely each persons choice. But...to comment on something without actually reading it, doesnt quite make sense to me.

I knew it would bring up mixed opinions, but i had thought it be something interesting to discuss. For, i find it interesting to read peoples viewpoints, when they actually have a viewpoint to offer.

You're right

The Mail is beyond redemption - so biased that it is a joke - so I will abstain from commenting further.

I read it every day with my morning coffee!!

And then I watch the Jeremy Kyle Show....

There are plenty of men who aren't wimpy or weak but who are able to accept/not feel threatened by a women & who don't blame feminism/women for all of their issues in life.

I have never been threatened by women or feminism, but I am threatened by a legal system that allows women to take my property from me, and have me arrested at any time after women make false accusations against me without supporting evidence.

Edited December 11, 201015 yr by sarahsbloke

Oh dear, lets not start getting nasty, please do recall that we require civility in this forum and if you can't keep it that way then please stay out. cheers.

some of you should spend time reading through past thaivisa threads about situations some of the posters have been through in thai marriages/divorces/court battlse. If you think these things are a western issue then you are heading for a HUGE fall.

IME these claims of men losing houses/kids in western courts are only a single side of a story & it is highly improbable that a court would believe someone without evidence & proof to back them up. It is a misnomer that a woman can accuse a man of anything & be automatically believed. A work of fiction.

some of you should spend time reading through past thaivisa threads about situations some of the posters have been through in thai marriages/divorces/court battlse. If you think these things are a western issue then you are heading for a HUGE fall.

IME these claims of men losing houses/kids in western courts are only a single side of a story & it is highly improbable that a court would believe someone without evidence & proof to back them up. It is a misnomer that a woman can accuse a man of anything & be automatically believed. A work of fiction.

Boo I don't know about Thailand or other countries but I can assure you that in australia a woman can go to a police station and tell them that she is afraid of her husband, ex, boyfriend etc and wants an apprehended violence order taken out against him. She does not have to have ANY evidence, just a 'belief' that she is in danger. The police are obliged to take the matter to court. The judge does NOT need evidence, the woman can say what she likes, can even make up events with no substantiation. It is the guy that has to prove he is not a danger to her.

Only in very rare ocasion will a judge not grant the order. I suppose the judge would be crazy not to allow it because in the event anything DID happen then I'm sure the judge would not be very popular, especially if the judge is a male. I have not had one taken out on me but I have worked in the legal system for some years in this country and can assure you it s NOT a work of fiction.

As for the claim of a woman taking the house/car/children and things like that. Well I'm happy for others that have been though it to talk personal experience but I don't think it will look pretty.

sure we have similar things in UK but a man can also take one out against a woman. There is no gender bias when wanting to protecting yourself from harm but according this this link there does have to be some sort of evidence or proof before one will be issued.

evidence is heard and it is proved that the person in need of protection in fact fears violence or harassment or some other behaviour by the defendant that justifies an AVO being made. The magistrate also has to be satisfied that there are reasonable grounds for those fears.

I am mainly disagreeing with the claim that this only occurs in the west when one only has to read through the thaivisa archive to know it isn't true.

I am mainly disagreeing with the claim that this only occurs in the west when one only has to read through the thaivisa archive to know it isn't true.

Oh, totally agree with that.

On a side note I have a friend who just had an AVO brought out against him by his ex. One week later she called and wanted to meet up with him. We all told him not to do it because even though she is instigating the meeting he can still be arrested for breaching the AVO, regardless of who arranged it.

Of course he met up with her and they are now reconciling and metting regularly. The odd thing is that she hasn't lifted the AVO, says her solicitor advised her not to.

How odd, but each to their own.

Edited December 11, 201015 yr by Wallaby

anyway, to get back to the topic......

I think the guy in the article actually has some real issues. he seems to think that in order to be manly & a considered a worthwhile husband he only has to be able to shag his wife in a dominant manner. to me it seems he has no concept of the other dimensions that make a relationship. I feel sorry for his wife, not only does everyone now know he cheated on her but they also know her blokes a knob who thinks he's some sort of macho man should be fun at their next dinner party

my sister is in the Met police & says that she has lost count of the amount of couples who have done similar, a lot of them with proven & known track records of violence either one to the other or against each other. mind boggling

Boo, as you know i was a victim of domestic abuse-

It is very difficult to leave - so you stay. And inside you are fuming. So it all goes hunky dory until it happens again over a burnt frying pan or whatever.

That man who did that to me has no right to even speak to another woman.

Oh well he's been dead for 10 years. but still hurts me. So i get strong but i do not become a feminazi person. I like flowers and kittens and soft lovely cotton... teddy thingys.

But there are some times i get angry - with the way grown men and their thinkables of us western women.

We are not so bad.

I went through 10 years of hell with that monster then another 10 years when he died- that means i have lost more than a half of my life.

So you guys reading this - us women also go through crap.

Its all easy to say, if a guy hit me i will leave.

In my case i had no where to to go. We had a flat together etc,

I wish i could have lived my life better. And not have to have gone through that.

But. i am still good and stronger.

Edited December 11, 201015 yr by Patsycat

patsy we know you are a fluffy marshmallow with a little bit of a crunchy centre But mostly marshmallow.....

You may have wasted 20 years on him but you have the rest of your life to make sure you never make the same mistake again, the best revenge is happiness & living well so do your hardest & spit in his eye.

And cause I know how muh you loves the youtoob....

[boo I don't know about Thailand or other countries but I can assure you that in australia a woman can go to a police station and tell them that she is afraid of her husband, ex, boyfriend etc and wants an apprehended violence order taken out against him. She does not have to have ANY evidence, just a 'belief' that she is in danger. The police are obliged to take the matter to court. The judge does NOT need evidence, the woman can say what she likes, can even make up events with no substantiation. It is the guy that has to prove he is not a danger to her.

According to the Devon and Cornwall Constabulary (UK), when a woman complains of violence or the fear of violence from a male partner, they will immediately arrest and detain that man. Evidence is not required for this action. I can assure you this is the situation in the UK. If a man makes a similar complaint against a female partner, the desk sergeant will often laugh at him and say not to waste their time. I found myself living in a country that effectively had different laws for different sexes. I have absolutely nothing against any woman in the world, including my former wife of 30 years who made false accusations against me, but choose not to live in a country where a woman can so easily oppress me.

Patsy, I am really sorry to hear about your past situation, no person in the world (male or female) should ever have to live with fear of violence from another person. But then again no person should have to live in fear of arrest and imprisonment because of false accusations.

Edited December 12, 201015 yr by sarahsbloke

Its all easy to say, if a guy hit me i will leave.

In my case i had no where to to go. We had a flat together etc,

I wish i could have lived my life better. And not have to have gone through that.

But. i am still good and stronger.

Patsy, my sympathies. I think most people would give the easy answer of "why don't you just leave him," but reality is much different. I've seen abusive relationships where the woman would still love the guy, no matter what he does to her. And then there's the abusive relationships which involve kids. No easy answers, except to say that men who abuse women are simply cowards who are losers in life and have to take it out on someone that's most vulnerable.

[boo I don't know about Thailand or other countries but I can assure you that in australia a woman can go to a police station and tell them that she is afraid of her husband, ex, boyfriend etc and wants an apprehended violence order taken out against him. She does not have to have ANY evidence, just a 'belief' that she is in danger. The police are obliged to take the matter to court. The judge does NOT need evidence, the woman can say what she likes, can even make up events with no substantiation. It is the guy that has to prove he is not a danger to her.

According to the Devon and Cornwall Constabulary (UK), when a woman complains of violence or the fear of violence from a male partner, they will immediately arrest and detain that man. Evidence is not required for this action. I can assure you this is the situation in the UK. If a man makes a similar complaint against a female partner, the desk sergeant will often laugh at him and say not to waste their time. I found myself living in a country that effectively had different laws for different sexes. I have absolutely nothing against any woman in the world, including my former wife of 30 years who made false accusations against me, but choose not to live in a country where a woman can so easily oppress me.

Patsy, I am really sorry to hear about your past situation, no person in the world (male or female) should ever have to live with fear of violence from another person. But then again no person should have to live in fear of arrest and imprisonment because of false accusations.

Obviously, I would be appalled that false accusations would be taken seriously in the UK and Australia, but is it really happening that frequently? I think in rare instances it may happen, but to suggest that it's epidemic is serious hyperbole. Women's rights in the US has come a long way, but it's not nearly as bad as you guys make it out to be. By and large, men are still in charge, afterall.

I find it strange that western men in Thailand complain about the Thai system all the time, that the police don't do enough in domestic disputes. Yet, they don't like the western system either where the perception is that the police do too much. Can any country get it right? Or do farangs just like to complain.

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Obviously, I would be appalled that false accusations would be taken seriously in the UK and Australia, but is it really happening that frequently? I think in rare instances it may happen, but to suggest that it's epidemic is serious hyperbole. Women's rights in the US has come a long way, but it's not nearly as bad as you guys make it out to be. By and large, men are still in charge, afterall.

I find it strange that western men in Thailand complain about the Thai system all the time, that the police don't do enough in domestic disputes. Yet, they don't like the western system either where the perception is that the police do too much. Can any country get it right? Or do farangs just like to complain.

I would say from personal experiences that for every real report of domestic violence in the UK, there is one (or two) false reports. I don't know how frequent such reports are, but 1 false report was enough for me.

(I had a false accusation made against me, my solicitors son was denied access to his children for 5 years through a series of false reports, my next UK gf was a previous victim of beatings, often beaten until she couldn't stand)

Edited December 12, 201015 yr by sarahsbloke

False complaints 'seem' to be more prevalent when a couple is going through a divorce and children are involved. It goes against the credibility of the the complaint is made (usually against the man).

Patsy, you have my honest sympathy. I understand it is difficult to just up and leave and am happy you no longer have to suffer such indignation and pain. Chin up girl, we aint all bad and I hope the future is rosy.