Thai Govt Crackdown On Street People Planned

[samjaidee]

You don't happen to have "Mental Health" figures for the UK do you?

Thank you, in anticipation.

I'm just pulling the numbers out of my handy dandy atlas. Depending upon the year, the numbers can be up or down a bit in the UK. Retirements, redundancies and all that stuff.

In Total

UK: 58 beds per 100,000 population 11 psychiatrists per 100,000 population, 58 social workers per 100,000 , 9 psychologists per 100,000 population

Thailand: 14 beds per 100,000 population, 0.66 psychiatrists per 100,000 population, 0.74 social workers per 100,000 population, 0.26 psychologists per 100,000 population;

Clarification: The UK also has a number of other specialists involved which accounts for the apparent lower numbers in some areas compared to other countries. For example, there are 104 psychiatric nurses per 100,000 population. I know people slam the UK alot, but the number of social workers and nurses available for mental health speak to the team approach that the UK has. It's not perfect, but I think it's the right way to do it. There just isn't a pool of psychiatric nurses in Thailand to pick up the slack. Sort of like how there is a real shortage of geriatric care nursing staff in the west.

Thank you very much for the info. and your clarification.

[TAWP]

Rubbish! - you talk like a labourer

Was that supposed to be an insult?

[Randee]

<"The initial symptoms include speaking to oneself, laughing alone">

I have been talking to myself for 30 years and often laugh alone. It really is the only time that I can have an intelligent conversation and enjoy remarkable humour!

Talking to yourself's not so bad, it can just be thinking out loud.

But when you start replying to yourself or having an arguement with yourself that's when it's time to worry lol

They say the 2nd sign of madness is having black hairs on the palms of your hands ...

The first sign is looking for them

[Randee]

Rubbish! - you talk like a labourer

Was that supposed to be an insult?

LOL! I'm an ex labourer. I made a sh*t load of money and retired in my 30s

Labourers and labouring rocks and rules!!

I'm a lazy so and so now though. Why? - because I can!! - Thanks labouring :jap:

[peacefulwarrior]

quote:

"I want to know if that is correct. I want to know police need to wait for one of them to kill ten people before taking action. Who knows when such an attack will happen next?" he asked.

What kind of pretense you need you blurb it out right away. It's the same as with the terror fear mongering and making the public estranged amongst themselves. This is your classic Stalin, Hitler type action against dissidents, homosexuals and of course the mentally ill. Well if they want to catch mentally ill and retarded, dangerous people, I would start in parliament. And Department of Social Development and Welfare could be well out of Orwell's 1984. Do people still wonder about the political correctness initiatives and creation of factions to fear of? First the red-shirts, then terrorists, then the mentally ill (look in your history books!!! PolPot, Hitler, Stalin, they all did the SAME) and tomorrow it is your guy from next door, a student or one of those dangerous ANTI-government dissidents, err, critics, err, terrorists. Don't you see what is going under here? Rights of free speech, the "Security Act" is a very dark joke, everywhere there could be unrest and the government needs to be REaDy to deal with the problems. I saw the sound cannons they have waiting for the next big boom in BKK and elsewhere, I see the daily take away of human rights and freedom of speech on TV, Radio and #1 the Internet. Why are tens of thousands of pages not available in Thailand? Because it is a China with better make-up. But it's hot and the kajal is running as the tears come.

I truly love this country, but it's fascist government is no different from your Burma, China or Vietnam. Communitarian-ism is coming big time after the 'cleansings' are complete. You watch your neighbor being taken away, your part of the evil!

[Tanlic]

According to DR.Duangta Kraiphasphong, a surge in blood sugar sometimes causes "diabetics to go on rampages and attack others in the public" . I was curious, having never heard of this phenonemon before, so I googled the words 'aggressive diabetic'......not one single search result.!!....No wonder the 'doctors' in this country don't want the medical malpractice bill to go through if a deputy director (DR Duangta) of an institute can't even get the symptoms for diabetes right. I feel so sorry for the Thai public.

That's because it's called Diabertic Agression and you need to be intellegent to find it like me

[elshaheen]

What a crock of sh*t. These people will end up handcuffed in local jails like the recent case of the Briton in Pattaya.

As of 2006, the most recent WHO report shows that;

- There are only 17 mental hospitals in Thailand providing 13.8 beds per 100,000 population. In the last five years the number of mental hospital beds has decreased by 7% (There has not been any significant increase in funding since the report was issued in 2006.)

- There is no provision for routine follow-up community care.

- No facility has mental heath mobile clinic teams.

- In terms of treatment, a few patients last year received one or more psychosocial interventions.

- There are no mental health day treatment facilities in Thailand, except the ones specifically for children with mental retardation or for people with substance abuse.

- There are 25 community-based psychiatric inpatient units in regional hospitals with 0.4 beds per 100,000 general population.

- Community residential facilities for patients being discharged from the hospitals do not exist.

Who will take care of these mentally ill people?

- 419 psychiatrists (0.66 per 100,000 population)

- 110 other medical doctors (not specialized in psychiatry but associated with mental health care); 0.17 per 100,000 population);

- 2406 nurses (3.81 per 100,000 population);

- 163 psychologists (0.26 per 100,000 population);

- 465 social workers (0.74 per 100,000 population) (Other reports cite 0.56)

- 125 occupational therapists (0.20 per 100,000 population

The numbers speak for themselves. The mentally ill will not be treated.

There will be no occupational therapy and the problem will continue.

That is the reality. Welcome to Thailand where people that should know better call the mentally ill nutcases.

Oh, great. Another bright idea from our most honor and estemed Thai Government up on high (I really mean high as a kite, smokin some good stuff). So, after they clean up all the "Street people," that would be about 95.99% Thai's off the street.

[moetownblues]

Thailand is not a rich western country and it does a lot more for its mentally ill than a lot of other countries. India for example. The country just has not got enough funds to do everything that should be done. They need to widen tax collection to a lot more people including all the farangs who live here and pay no taxes.

I think we have found the first nutcase to put in a newly built ward...

I am a Farang who lives here and I don't pay taxes and why should I? I don't work but still contribute to the economy through my overseas savings and investments. What do you want the thai government to do introduce a farang tax? Maybe I shouldn't have mentioned that someone from the thai tax office may see it and think that is a great idea. :licklips: :licklips:

And how do your overseas investments contribute to Thai society and your overseas savings. Do you think the money you spend on booze and prostitutes is a tax contribution?

It sounds like you are saying that farangs do nothing but drink and gutter crawl for hookers. That may your path in life but it is certainly is not what we all do. I have never been with a prostitute and I drink occassionally. I also live of my overseas savings and would estimate that I have put at least 5 or 6 million bht into the economy ie house, furniture, car, child education etc. I paid tax on that money once. I do not see why a farang would be required to pay tax on it again to Thai, what would I get in return if I dropped a few screws would the thai health system look after me as a farang? I think not. I will just continue to spend my money

[atyclb]

I am a type 2 diabetic, on a good day I can summon up the energy to go shopping, getting physically aggressive is just not on

Standard psychiatric treatment in Thailand is drugs, zombies cause no problems.

Are you suggesting they medicate 95% of the population??

[mythBuster]

The families of Prem, Abhisit. Suthep and those of many army generals are preparing to pack the pampers and sent them to the new centers. After all when leaked documents show who killed so many people and you still deny it, you must have lost it completely. I bet that the entire elite will be locked up soon.....

[Randee]

Rubbish! - you talk like a labourer

Was that supposed to be an insult?

LOL! I'm an ex labourer. I made a sh*t load of money and retired in my 30s

Labourers and labouring rocks and rules!!

I'm a lazy so and so now though. Why? - because I can!! - Thanks labouring :jap:

Who did you rob. We won't tell, honest.

Thats something I've never done or needed to do

[Deeral]

are there similar WHO figures for general healthcare in Thailand?

I suspect that the situation is more or less mirrored in all fields?

There are but they need to be put in context (no it's not a cop out, honest ) I could dump all sorts of stats, but I think the real issue is that there is an absence of a national policy and a national strategy. It's wonderful to toss money at a problem, but without a plan, the money is wasted. The UK's NHS gets blasted, but despite its failings it still does the job, because it has a plan. When is the last time anyone saw or heard about of a needs analysis before a new hospital or clinic was opened in Thailand?

Thailand has the same medical staffing problem that one sees in Australia, Canada and elsewhere. The contrast in finding solutions speaks volumes. There's little if any public discussion in Thailand. One can't create doctors and nurses overnight, it takes time. Canada's provinces pumped alot of money into medical schools several years ago and now it is beginning to see increases in the number of medical school graduates that is bumping up the per 100K pop ratios. Australia and Canada were aggressive in seeking out foreign trained nurses to fill the gap while they trained new nurses. One can see it in the Philippino faces in hospitals now. And then there is Thailand. Where's the planning, the strategy? It's not there. That's why the GP ratio keeps falling. The Thai medical schools are not part of the national strategy. There are ways to get doctors to practice in rural areas and to consider understaffed specialties. Canada and Australia did it with financial incentives. The incentives aren't there in Thailand. The powers that be in Thailand won't do it. I suppose when one has a an interest in a hospital or an HMO it causes a bit of a conflict. Politicians in Sweden are treated at a public hospital just like politicians in Canada and Australia. That's why they are somewhat more aware of the problems and possible solutions. Politicians in Thailand usually go to exclusive private or military hospitals.

And now we have this silliness with some guy saying he's going to clear the mentally ill off the streets. It's a great idea. Unfortunately, there's nowhere to put these people and there's no one available to treat them.

I'm with you 100% here.

I've been looking at medical tourism and th Thai health system, and I find it very disconcerting on several levels. THe national healthcare as you say doesn't seem to have any concerted planning and I compare the treatment you get to a lottery.

I also think that the obsession with getting cash in from Medical Tourism is affecting the care available to th rank and file - there don't seem to be any serious attempts to keep Doctors working for the gvt hospitals (2 years?)

Quality of care and training seem to have no universal benchmarks or even verification.

Given that mental health is always the Cinderella then it doesn't lee much hope for those unfortunates who have mental health problems and no money.

[Deeral]

Rubbish! - you talk like a labourer

Was that supposed to be an insult?

LOL! I'm an ex labourer. I made a sh*t load of money and retired in my 30s

Labourers and labouring rocks and rules!!

I'm a lazy so and so now though. Why? - because I can!! - Thanks labouring :jap:

Classic! all that money and absolutely no critical thinking ability whatsoever,why not spend some of that money getting an education - it's never too late.When I say education I mean didactic or pedagogic - University of life is NOT an education - it's experience

[Deeral]

According to DR.Duangta Kraiphasphong, a surge in blood sugar sometimes causes "diabetics to go on rampages and attack others in the public" . I was curious, having never heard of this phenonemon before, so I googled the words 'aggressive diabetic'......not one single search result.!!....No wonder the 'doctors' in this country don't want the medical malpractice bill to go through if a deputy director (DR Duangta) of an institute can't even get the symptoms for diabetes right. I feel so sorry for the Thai public.

That's because it's called Diabertic Agression and you need to be intellegent to find it like me

No matter what it's called - the Doctor and his cronies are trying to tell us that this is a common cause of behavioural problems of ALL the street people - which of course is still utter nonsense.

[cdnvic]

One inflammatory post and reply removed. Either quote sources properly or we assume it's your own words. "Some people say" is a cop out.

[atyclb]

According to DR.Duangta Kraiphasphong, a surge in blood sugar sometimes causes "diabetics to go on rampages and attack others in the public" . I was curious, having never heard of this phenonemon before, so I googled the words 'aggressive diabetic'......not one single search result.!!....No wonder the 'doctors' in this country don't want the medical malpractice bill to go through if a deputy director (DR Duangta) of an institute can't even get the symptoms for diabetes right. I feel so sorry for the Thai public.

That's because it's called Diabertic Agression and you need to be intellegent to find it like me

No matter what it's called - the Doctor and his cronies are trying to tell us that this is a common cause of behavioural problems of ALL the street people - which of course is still utter nonsense.

According to DR.Duangta Kraiphasphong, a surge in blood sugar sometimes causes "diabetics to go on rampages and attack others in the public"

"Sometimes causes diabetic" to go on rampages to me would mean out of all the street people, some of those who are diabetic may experience this symptom.

A possibility among a sub-group of a group.

May I ask what is your cascade of reasoning/deduction that led to your statement "a common cause of behavioural problems of ALL the street people" ??

[cdnvic]

An off-topic argument has been removed. Put your handbags away ladies and return to the topic please.

[Randee]

An off-topic argument has been removed. Put your handbags away ladies and return to the topic please.

I'll never argue with you

[Deeral]

According to DR.Duangta Kraiphasphong, a surge in blood sugar sometimes causes "diabetics to go on rampages and attack others in the public" . I was curious, having never heard of this phenonemon before, so I googled the words 'aggressive diabetic'......not one single search result.!!....No wonder the 'doctors' in this country don't want the medical malpractice bill to go through if a deputy director (DR Duangta) of an institute can't even get the symptoms for diabetes right. I feel so sorry for the Thai public.

That's because it's called Diabertic Agression and you need to be intellegent to find it like me

No matter what it's called - the Doctor and his cronies are trying to tell us that this is a common cause of behavioural problems of ALL the street people - which of course is still utter nonsense.

Read again

According to DR.Duangta Kraiphasphong, a surge in blood sugar sometimes causes "diabetics to go on rampages and attack others in the public"

"Sometimes causes diabetic" to go on rampages to me would mean out of all the street people, some of those who are diabetic may experience this symptom.

A possibility among a sub-group of a group.

May I ask what is your cascade of reasoning/deduction that led to your statement "a common cause of behavioural problems of ALL the street people" ??

[atyclb]

Deeral

your Post # 146 in response to #143 is blank. You did not write anything. It is a cc of 143

[Deeral]

Deeral

your Post # 146 in response to #143 is blank. You did not write anything. It is a cc of 143

Read again

[warfie]

I saw the "crackdown" in the headline and assumed the police were going on a shooting spree....

[Balls]

What a crock of sh*t. These people will end up handcuffed in local jails like the recent case of the Briton in Pattaya.

As of 2006, the most recent WHO report shows that;

- There are only 17 mental hospitals in Thailand providing 13.8 beds per 100,000 population. In the last five years the number of mental hospital beds has decreased by 7% (There has not been any significant increase in funding since the report was issued in 2006.)

- There is no provision for routine follow-up community care.

- No facility has mental heath mobile clinic teams.

- In terms of treatment, a few patients last year received one or more psychosocial interventions.

- There are no mental health day treatment facilities in Thailand, except the ones specifically for children with mental retardation or for people with substance abuse.

- There are 25 community-based psychiatric inpatient units in regional hospitals with 0.4 beds per 100,000 general population.

- Community residential facilities for patients being discharged from the hospitals do not exist.

Who will take care of these mentally ill people?

- 419 psychiatrists (0.66 per 100,000 population)

- 110 other medical doctors (not specialized in psychiatry but associated with mental health care); 0.17 per 100,000 population);

- 2406 nurses (3.81 per 100,000 population);

- 163 psychologists (0.26 per 100,000 population);

- 465 social workers (0.74 per 100,000 population) (Other reports cite 0.56)

- 125 occupational therapists (0.20 per 100,000 population

The numbers speak for themselves. The mentally ill will not be treated.

There will be no occupational therapy and the problem will continue.

That is the reality. Welcome to Thailand where people that should know better call the mentally ill nutcases.

[Balls]

Excellent Information, Thank you.

Something else that I noticed...

There are now five Mitr Maitree Homes - in Bangkok, Chiang Mai, Nakhon Ratchasima, Nakhon Si Thammarat and Phuket.

Five others are to be built soon in Chon Buri, Phitsanulok, Songkhla, Khon Kaen and Ubon Ratchathani, to accommodate the government crackdown.

To be built After the crackdown? This is Thailand! A quote from an old Hollywood movie: "SHOW ME THE MONEY!"

I'm afraid that this will be similar to Thaskins War on Drugs - a lot of people will die unnecessarily.

[hgvneil]

What a crock of sh*t. These people will end up handcuffed in local jails like the recent case of the Briton in Pattaya.

As of 2006, the most recent WHO report shows that;

- There are only 17 mental hospitals in Thailand providing 13.8 beds per 100,000 population. In the last five years the number of mental hospital beds has decreased by 7% (There has not been any significant increase in funding since the report was issued in 2006.)

- There is no provision for routine follow-up community care.

- No facility has mental heath mobile clinic teams.

- In terms of treatment, a few patients last year received one or more psychosocial interventions.

- There are no mental health day treatment facilities in Thailand, except the ones specifically for children with mental retardation or for people with substance abuse.

- There are 25 community-based psychiatric inpatient units in regional hospitals with 0.4 beds per 100,000 general population.

- Community residential facilities for patients being discharged from the hospitals do not exist.

Who will take care of these mentally ill people?

- 419 psychiatrists (0.66 per 100,000 population)

- 110 other medical doctors (not specialized in psychiatry but associated with mental health care); 0.17 per 100,000 population);

- 2406 nurses (3.81 per 100,000 population);

- 163 psychologists (0.26 per 100,000 population);

- 465 social workers (0.74 per 100,000 population) (Other reports cite 0.56)

- 125 occupational therapists (0.20 per 100,000 population

The numbers speak for themselves. The mentally ill will not be treated.

There will be no occupational therapy and the problem will continue.

That is the reality. Welcome to Thailand where people that should know better call the mentally ill nutcases.

Another headline grabbing promise as elections are due - let's say this week we will fix the social issues, that should get some votes (not).

There's a large government run psychiatric hospital in my province just down the road from me which is pretty nice, set in huge 150 Rai landscaped gardens and the patients are treated well. Might not be enough of them but the psychiatric hospitals they do have aren't too bad.

This kind of comment astounds meFirstly it is just one hospital in a population of 60 million....are trying to say because you have seen a hospital that LOOKS nice then mental healthcare in Thailand is OK - otherwise what are you trying to imply?

Furthermore, how do you know it is any good? have you done a survey of healthcare in Thailand - or eve your province? - or are you just judging the place by its architecture?Who can get treatment? Nationwide?

it's just such a presumptuous thing to say and in truth has no bearing on the issues at all.

If you want to cite individual hospitals get some authoritative information to back it up - not just personal observation.

[SamritT]

Look at the Chinese success. It is a living proof that the Chinese system (permission is required to visit places outside one's Tambon) is working well. Without that, Chinese was in a backwater only decades ago.

[OZinBKK]

So will the government please send their officers into all the game shops in Pattaya and round up all the many street urchins who call the "game shop home"?

Lots of these kids are on yabba and usually have a gang leader who gets them to commit crime, push them into underage sex for money and whatever extortionist methods they can get away with.

I am serious about this and something "permanent" should be done about this huge (but mainly hidden) problem in Thailand.

i think to stop the bosses and urchins coming through you need to stop their source of income - if you arrest them others will pop up, the allure of money is to grand.

so maybe a crack down on the people who use these services - the buyers of underage girls, drugs and prostitutes in general.

Clamp down on the enablers (is that the right word?)

There is no point just "rounding up" street urchins, you can't just lock up anything that looks poor or plays video games or whatever profiling your suggesting, it's the money source that's the issue.

feel free to burn me

[OZinBKK]

Look at the Chinese success. It is a living proof that the Chinese system (permission is required to visit places outside one's Tambon) is working well. Without that, Chinese was in a backwater only decades ago.

Chinese success? Where in China have they succeeded in helping the poor off the streets? Where did you get this information?

I'm not saying your wrong but in my time in China I saw more beggars and prostitutes than in Thailand, but maybe that was just where I stayed or went or because of the larger population, I'm not sure but I still could not see the success.

Please don't take this offensively but feel free to let rip on me I would like to hear your thoughts!

[cdnvic]

One outrageous comment removed, as well as a reply that would be out of context after the first was deleted.

[Deeral]

Look at the Chinese success. It is a living proof that the Chinese system (permission is required to visit places outside one's Tambon) is working well. Without that, Chinese was in a backwater only decades ago.

Your ignorance of China surely just another facet of your ultra fascist views ? Based purely of prejudice and nape-of-the-neck assumptions.