WIKILEAKS FOUNDER JULIAN ASSANGE FREED ON BAIL

[Ulysses G.]

The Internet poll has little to nothing to do with the Time winner and never has, but Assange has to be congratulated for edging out Lady Gaga and Glenn Beck!

Edited December 16, 2010 by Ulysses G.

[hammered]

The Internet poll has little to nothing to do with the Time winner and never has, but Assange has to be congratulated for edging out Lady Gaga and Glenn Beck!

Lady Gaga is likely more know than any of the others by a long long way. Probably than anyone alive right now.

[hammered]

Pretty embarrassing for the UK government prosecution service to be caught having let everyone think it was the Swedes who were opposing bail when actually the Swedes didnt care and it was the crown prosecutors. Poor old Swedes had to point it out themselves to the newspapers

[Ulysses G.]

Pretty embarrassing for the UK government prosecution service to be caught having let everyone think it was the Swedes who were opposing bail when actually the Swedes didnt care and it was the crown prosecutors. Poor old Swedes had to point it out themselves to the newspapers

"In extradition cases, decisions on bail issues are always taken by the domestic prosecuting authority. It would not be practical for prosecutors in a foreign jurisdiction to make such decisions."

Edited December 16, 2010 by Ulysses G.

[koheesti]

Oh, the irony...

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WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange tried to hide his bail address from the public in an astonishing move for the man responsible for leaking thousands of diplomatic secrets.

Assange's lawyers argued that the location - a 10-bedroom stately home - should not be disclosed on grounds of privacy during yesterday's hearing at City of Westminster Magistrates' Court.

But the move was dismissed by District Judge Howard Riddle, who ruled not to reveal the address would conflict with Assange's commitment to open justice. The judge insisted the address - Captain Vaughan Smith's Ellingham Hall on the Norfolk/Suffolk border - was read out in open court as usual.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1338832/WikiLeaks-Julian-Assange-asked-judge-bail-address-secret.html#ixzz18D1nzpnb

Which rather brings into question the Judges statement that he was in danger from unstable people at the first hearing.

Do I understand that you are implying that the information (Assange's address) shouldn't have been made public because it might have put someone (Assange) at risk? Isn't that what has made this man famous?

btw - How many "journalists" on bail get to stay in a 10-BEDROOM mansion?

[hammered]

Oh, the irony...

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WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange tried to hide his bail address from the public in an astonishing move for the man responsible for leaking thousands of diplomatic secrets.

Assange's lawyers argued that the location - a 10-bedroom stately home - should not be disclosed on grounds of privacy during yesterday's hearing at City of Westminster Magistrates' Court.

But the move was dismissed by District Judge Howard Riddle, who ruled not to reveal the address would conflict with Assange's commitment to open justice. The judge insisted the address - Captain Vaughan Smith's Ellingham Hall on the Norfolk/Suffolk border - was read out in open court as usual.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1338832/WikiLeaks-Julian-Assange-asked-judge-bail-address-secret.html#ixzz18D1nzpnb

Which rather brings into question the Judges statement that he was in danger from unstable people at the first hearing.

Do I understand that you are implying that the information (Assange's address) shouldn't have been made public because it might have put someone (Assange) at risk? Isn't that what has made this man famous?

btw - How many "journalists" on bail get to stay in a 10-BEDROOM mansion?

Yep should be made public. The UK authorities should also provide protection as they have in the past to notables who may be under threat and in this case the judge made a comment relating to threat existing.

Im not too bothered where people get to stay

[hammered]

Pretty embarrassing for the UK government prosecution service to be caught having let everyone think it was the Swedes who were opposing bail when actually the Swedes didnt care and it was the crown prosecutors. Poor old Swedes had to point it out themselves to the newspapers

"In extradition cases, decisions on bail issues are always taken by the domestic prosecuting authority. It would not be practical for prosecutors in a foreign jurisdiction to make such decisions."

Indeed true and no problem with that. Maybe it could have been stated clearly in the first place by the crown prosecution service to avoid the swedish prosecutors being blamed.

[koheesti]

Yep should be made public. The UK authorities should also provide protection as they have in the past to notables who may be under threat and in this case the judge made a comment relating to threat existing.

Im not too bothered where people get to stay

Staying in a very large mansion undermines his image as the little guy versus big government & evil multi-national corporations. THAT is the reason he wanted it kept secret. Assange has clearly been playing his "supporters" like a flute and getting rich off their donations. In that way I support the guy - for proving that the old saying still holds true - "a fool and his money are soon parted".

Edited December 16, 2010 by koheesti

[hammered]

Yep should be made public. The UK authorities should also provide protection as they have in the past to notables who may be under threat and in this case the judge made a comment relating to threat existing.

Im not too bothered where people get to stay

Staying in a very large mansion undermines his image as the little guy versus big government & evil multi-national corporations. THAT is the reason he wanted it kept secret. Assange has clearly been playing his "supporters" like a flute and getting rich off their donations. In that way I support the guy - for proving that the old saying still holds true - "a fool and his money are soon parted".

Who knows what his motivation was. It was wrong whatever. That still doesnt detract from the campaign of wikileaks and he is still a flawed human being as part of it. Even if he were to stay in Buck House he would have a long way to go to be on the same level as the governments and corporations that the organization he is part of is against.

The real story is the excesses he has been revealing. Even if Assange is guilty of something and is jailed or even if he is revealed as an aristocrat or blood sucking zombie that doesnt devalue the real story of what is in the leaks. That is just an attempt at distraction and one which nearly all analysts are agreed is the aim of the US government.

[softgeorge]

Yep should be made public. The UK authorities should also provide protection as they have in the past to notables who may be under threat and in this case the judge made a comment relating to threat existing.

Im not too bothered where people get to stay

Staying in a very large mansion undermines his image as the little guy versus big government & evil multi-national corporations. THAT is the reason he wanted it kept secret. Assange has clearly been playing his "supporters" like a flute and getting rich off their donations. In that way I support the guy - for proving that the old saying still holds true - "a fool and his money are soon parted".

Who knows what his motivation was. It was wrong whatever. That still doesnt detract from the campaign of wikileaks and he is still a flawed human being as part of it. Even if he were to stay in Buck House he would have a long way to go to be on the same level as the governments and corporations that the organization he is part of is against.

The real story is the excesses he has been revealing. Even if Assange is guilty of something and is jailed or even if he is revealed as an aristocrat or blood sucking zombie that doesnt devalue the real story of what is in the leaks. That is just an attempt at distraction and one which nearly all analysts are agreed is the aim of the US government.

The man is the greatest person to ever walk the earth. A bloody true blue hero.

[softgeorge]

Oh, the irony...

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WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange tried to hide his bail address from the public in an astonishing move for the man responsible for leaking thousands of diplomatic secrets.

Assange's lawyers argued that the location - a 10-bedroom stately home - should not be disclosed on grounds of privacy during yesterday's hearing at City of Westminster Magistrates' Court.

But the move was dismissed by District Judge Howard Riddle, who ruled not to reveal the address would conflict with Assange's commitment to open justice. The judge insisted the address - Captain Vaughan Smith's Ellingham Hall on the Norfolk/Suffolk border - was read out in open court as usual.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1338832/WikiLeaks-Julian-Assange-asked-judge-bail-address-secret.html#ixzz18D1nzpnb

Which rather brings into question the Judges statement that he was in danger from unstable people at the first hearing.

Do I understand that you are implying that the information (Assange's address) shouldn't have been made public because it might have put someone (Assange) at risk? Isn't that what has made this man famous?

btw - How many "journalists" on bail get to stay in a 10-BEDROOM mansion?

Yep should be made public. The UK authorities should also provide protection as they have in the past to notables who may be under threat and in this case the judge made a comment relating to threat existing.

Im not too bothered where people get to stay

It is stupid to make it public. High profile Americans have put a huge target on him calling for his assasination and now here is is everyone start shooting

[chuckd]

The man is the greatest person to ever walk the earth. A bloody true blue hero.

You're putting him up there with some rather impressive individuals.

I seriously doubt if he will be remembered in quite the same way as Jesus Christ, Ghandi, Nelson Mandela, Martin Luther, Einstein, Ben Franklin, Winston Churchill, Louis Pasteur, etc, etc, etc.

You really need to get a grip on reality.

[koheesti]

ables who may be under threat and in this case the judge made a comment relating to threat existing.

It is stupid to make it public. High profile Americans have put a huge target on him calling for his assasination and now here is is everyone start shooting

No they haven't. That has already been disproven in the old thread that got closed.

[Wallaby]

No it wasn't dissproved that there has been no calls for his assassination.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40467957/ns/us_news-wikileaks_in_security/

I also note that Assanges Barrister, whilst applying for bail told the court that Assange had already been interviewed and gave a full account to Swedish authorities and the charges where then dropped.

Just seems 'odd' that he has been interviewed, leaves the country and then an arrest warrant is issued for his 'questioning' and he is then denied bail in the first instance. Denied bail for a warrant for questioning? He could easily have turned up and just said nothing, there is nothing they can do to make him say anything.

Just a strange set of circumstance he finds himself in.

[Wallaby]

I wouldn't mind knowing why the Swedish prosecutors don't question him now. I mean, they want him extradited for questioning, why does he have to be in Sweden to be questioned. He's in jail now, they are there now, go question him. He obviously has a right not to answer anything, why would that change just because he was in Sweden?

What is it about being in Sweden that would make the questioning more special.

If one was cynical would could think that a certain govt is putting pressure on the another govt to get him over there as extradition would be easier than it would be from the UK.

Just my thoughts on this mess.

[chuckd]

I wouldn't mind knowing why the Swedish prosecutors don't question him now. I mean, they want him extradited for questioning, why does he have to be in Sweden to be questioned. He's in jail now, they are there now, go question him. He obviously has a right not to answer anything, why would that change just because he was in Sweden?

What is it about being in Sweden that would make the questioning more special.

If one was cynical would could think that a certain govt is putting pressure on the another govt to get him over there as extradition would be easier than it would be from the UK.

Just my thoughts on this mess.

Sweden is where the alleged crimes were committed, not England.

He will go on trial in Sweden if the charges are found to be chargeable offenses.

He will spend time in Swedish jails if he is found guilty.

Where else should he go?

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If one was cynical would could think that a certain govt is putting pressure on the another govt to get him over there as extradition would be easier than it would be from the UK.

Doubt it, the UK has a very one-sided extradition treaty with the US (in their favour), doubt Sweden's is anywhere near as generous.

[koheesti]

No it wasn't dissproved that there has been no calls for his assassination.

Why did you leave off the "High profile Americans" part? I'll tell you why, because it isn't true.

For people who claim to be about the truth, Assange supporters sure seem to avoid it rather often.

[Ulysses G.]

Hear hear!

[JUDAS]

Stinks to high heaven. He's wanted for QUESTIONING on an allegation that he committed a sexual offense(s) in Sweden, offenses that as far as I know do not even exist in English law. Assangne is bailed on surety of 240k GBP. From what I've read the max penalty could be anything from a fine up to 4 years in prison, depending on various sources I've read. Let's put this specific case into context. If I walk into Tesco in the UK and get caught shoplifting, stealing, a Snickers bar I face a maximum sentence of 7 years imprisonment. Am I going to be held in prison pending my case? No. Will I be bailed after posting hundreds of thousand of GBP in bail? No. I could reasonably expect an official caution from the police and worst case scenario a small fine a court.

The Wikileaks situation supposedly should have no bearing whatsoever on how a court of law deals with this case but, it is blatantly obvious to me at least, that that is not the case. Those that feel Assange's actions regarding the leaks are a threat to legitimate government and by default, democracy, should perhaps be showing concern that the law is being perverted for political ends. Once the independence of the judiciary comes under the influence of those in power, we are all at risk.

[LaoPo]

No it wasn't dissproved that there has been no calls for his assassination.

Why did you leave off the "High profile Americans" part? I'll tell you why, because it isn't true.

For people who claim to be about the truth, Assange supporters sure seem to avoid it rather often.

It isn't true ?

I don't know if you consider Bob Beckel to be a High Profile American but surely 100+ Millions of Americans know who he is....

Bob Beckel Wants Julian Assange Assassinated!......"shoot the SOB...."

and, with him the whole bunch of "Gentlemen" at the desk agree with him to kill/murder/assassinate Assange, live on television.

Is that the way to raise, educate and bring up young Americans ?

How would parents answer, sitting at the dining table, if their kids ask, "Daddy/Mommy....is it allowed to shoot and kill people like that man says?"

What do you think?

Now, please, don't come up with the story that this Bob Beckel is a lunatic...because that's not the point. The point was that you and others said that it was untrue that these calls for murder/killing/assassination of Assange were aired.

THEY WERE....On National Television !

You think you and others are able to apologize? ..I'm curious.

LaoPo

Edited December 16, 2010 by LaoPo

[moetownblues]

REPORT: Julian Assange has emerged triumphant from custody in London, more than four hours after the British High Court upheld bail with tight conditions, including electronic tagging.

As he stepped through the doors of the British High Court on the dot of 6pm, London time, to thunderous cheers, he stopped on the steps, smiled and said it was “great to smell the fresh air of London again”.

Dressed in dark suit and collared white shirt, Assange looked pale but elated and defiant, immediately thanking his supporters worldwide, as well as his legal team, led by Australian QC Geoffrey Robertson.

It appears that the corrupt parties could not come up with a new argument or fresh charges to keep him locked up.

[cdnvic]

he stopped on the steps, smiled and said it was "great to smell the fresh air of London again"

Ok, now I know he's delusional

[Ulysses G.]

How would parents answer, sitting at the dining table, if their kids ask, "Daddy/Mommy....is it allowed to shoot and kill people like that man says?"

Something like, "Only if they are criminals who are disseminating stolen documents that are damaging national security, little Johnny."

[JUDAS]

Assange has neither been charged nor convicted of any crime, just a technicality though

[Carib]

How would parents answer, sitting at the dining table, if their kids ask, "Daddy/Mommy....is it allowed to shoot and kill people like that man says?"

Something like, "Only if they are criminals who are disseminating stolen documents that are damaging national security, little Johnny."

Well that explains it, you must have been raised that way. Thanks for the insight.

[Ulysses G.]

Assange has neither been charged nor convicted of any crime

He has gone on television and told the whole world what he is doing.

[moetownblues]

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<br />How would parents answer, sitting at the dining table, if their kids ask, <i>"Daddy/Mommy....is it allowed to shoot and kill people like that man says?"</i><br /><br />

<br /><br /><br />Something like, "Only if they are criminals who are disseminating stolen documents that are damaging national security, little Johnny." <img src='http://static.thaivisa.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/whistling.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /><br />

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Really you would say that to your child? You advocate the lynch mob mentality? Maybe I am from a different world but I would advocate to my children that people saying such things are bad people and it is wrong to go out kill someone for any reason.

[JUDAS]

Assange has neither been charged nor convicted of any crime

He has gone on television and told the whole world what he is doing.

With respect UH, so what? I fully understand anyone being angry and wanting retribution against someone they believe has/is causing serious damage to their nation but, if nothing illegal has been done then it's free reign to target anyone with differing views? Scares the hell out of me....

[Thaddeus]

It appears that the corrupt parties could not come up with a new argument or fresh charges to keep him locked up.

Or maybe they realised that cutting the head off this snake will not make the body die. It would actually make it much more dangerous.