L&J Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 (edited) The Bangkok Post website has a photograph of a 38 year old teacher shot by separatists in the South. The poor man is lying dead under his motorbike in a pool of his blood. Its an image that should sicken anyone who sees it but I can't imagine how his family, friends and students would feel in seeing it. I've seen many like examples of this attitude in the Thai media but this one just defies any sense of decency IMHO. Edited January 16, 2011 by metisdead Link removed as per forum rule 31. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uptheos Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 I guess people will run to his aid after they have taken their pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangkokcitylimits Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 What else do you expect in this part of the world ? For peace of mind stop comparing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjay0 Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 A different culture than what you are used to. That is a large part of the reason I am here. Granted there are parts of it I don't like just as there were parts I didn't like back in Canada. And I am quite sure any place I would go that would hold true. Actually if Thailand could learn to driver on the right side of the road in one lane it would be much better. Thai's seem able to take things in stride far more than westerners. :jap: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjay0 Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 What else do you expect in this part of the world ? For peace of mind stop comparing. Good Advice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uptheos Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 A different culture than what you are used to. That is a large part of the reason I am here. Granted there are parts of it I don't like just as there were parts I didn't like back in Canada. And I am quite sure any place I would go that would hold true. Actually if Thailand could learn to driver on the right side of the road in one lane it would be much better. Thai's seem able to take things in stride far more than westerners. :jap: They do drive on the right side of the road in one lane, much of the time!..........and on the left.........and in the middle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2oDunc Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 The Thais look upon death in a totally different way to Western people / Farangs. There is no disrespect as you call it. They are in no way trying to demean the person or sensationalise it as the papers back home tend to do. It is just their way of dealing with it and the sooner you get used to it the easier it will be for you to accept this. I have just watched the same thing on TV whilst getting the missus her morning somtam. I find the fact that they are shooting innocent teachers and chopping the heads off rubber workers over having a different religion more distasteful than showing the pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uptheos Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Is he in fact dead at the time this picture was taken or are the photographer's assuming he's dead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ta22 Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Death can be a totally new experience for people . especially for people who had not seen it up front and real . and for someone who is working . i believe the photo is taken by a police or maybe a reporter or even the body bag crew . but in my years in thailand . photo like this very much common . is good and bad depending on how you look at it . i don't see much disrespect . in fatc it act as a good reminder that life is short and you should do what you can . the thai grow up very nice see such photo with a mild censor on the blood so i am assuming is no big deal if you go get a local paper chances is the front page will have some dead guy on it . the only disrespect i see is if we instead of seeing the truth and why he got killed . and go around spinning a Tale of how he is disrespected by a photo . think of when he is alive , what had he done . why is he killed and how we can prevent such death for others . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverdie Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Is he in fact dead at the time this picture was taken or are the photographer's assuming he's dead? You nailed that right on its head. There was a youtube video of an accident scene in Pattaya where a young girl had been thrown out of a songthaew & was lying on the roadway gulping for air, im not sure what the exact deal was but everyone around her was too busy staring, taking pictures and video's & not one person tried to assist the girl who ended up having the last moments of her life right there. Perhaps if someone has administered first aid she may have lived, I dunno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mamborobert Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Pictures can be very graphic on some of the Thai websites and print media publications. What I always find amusing (and not wishing to diminish the death of this individual in any way) is that with motor cycle accidents and the like where alcohol was a visible factor, there will be graphic pictures of the injury and bood flow, but pixelated alcohol bottles (or cigarettes). Everybody knows what they are. Its not like its good brand advertising. Off topic it may be but I do wish that Thais (and the media) would link alcohol and motor accidents far better. Sure the individual dies and comes back in another life...does not make it any easier for the family they leave behind, or any innocents they take with them. This South thing is getting out of hand though, seems to me that there are more and more dealy contacts. would not want to be a head man, teacher, or police officer/volunteer there. But then again that is the purpose of these terrible events. If the government does not do something to stop or severly limit these events then they will simply escalate to Bangkok where the offenders will think there message will get some result. Bangkok and Thailand has enough problems...I wish this one would go away or reduce...its a beautiful part of the country and a tragedy for the locals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjay0 Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 The Thais look upon death in a totally different way to Western people / Farangs. There is no disrespect as you call it. They are in no way trying to demean the person or sensationalise it as the papers back home tend to do. It is just their way of dealing with it and the sooner you get used to it the easier it will be for you to accept this. I have just watched the same thing on TV whilst getting the missus her morning somtam. I find the fact that they are shooting innocent teachers and chopping the heads off rubber workers over having a different religion more distasteful than showing the pictures. Well spoken People in the west are so isolated from death as a reality they come to think of it as a bad thing. I have been in several hospitals in the west where they have wards for the terminally ill. Not pretty sights. People sitting in there wheel chairs all around the hall not comunacating with each other just staring into nonethingness. Saw one strapped to the potty chair all day. Some just laying in bed unable to get out. I would rather see a picture than reality I have seen reality and it can be pretty upsetting. The west way write a little article in the obituaries and let it go don't show any of the darker side just pretend like it isn't there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckamuck Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 For most Thais, first aid constitutes standing around the victim and talking about the accident. Taking videos and photos is a modern addition to this aspect of culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waza Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 For most Thais, first aid constitutes standing around the victim and talking about the accident. Taking videos and photos is a modern addition to this aspect of culture. In reality what would you like an untrained bystander to do at an accident scene? The only thing I would want them to do is provide comfort until the proffessionals arrive then get out the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a99az Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 It was the same in Spain when I first went there in 1988 you would see news with dead people and blood all over the news stands and TV (even porn). Not much better now ether (ok they have taken the hard core porn off the bottom shelves so the kids cant see it, but it is still much the same. At least they tried to pixel out the head face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uptheos Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 For most Thais, first aid constitutes standing around the victim and talking about the accident. Taking videos and photos is a modern addition to this aspect of culture. In reality what would you like an untrained bystander to do at an accident scene? The only thing I would want them to do is provide comfort until the proffessionals arrive then get out the way. Erm, what exactly will 'the professionals' do when they arrive - throw him on the back of a pick up? Even an untrained bystander can put something under the head, apply pressure to bleeding....anything is better than gawping and just taking photos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJW Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 The Thais look upon death in a totally different way to Western people / Farangs. There is no disrespect as you call it. They are in no way trying to demean the person or sensationalise it as the papers back home tend to do. It is just their way of dealing with it and the sooner you get used to it the easier it will be for you to accept this. I have just watched the same thing on TV whilst getting the missus her morning somtam. I find the fact that they are shooting innocent teachers and chopping the heads off rubber workers over having a different religion more distasteful than showing the pictures. Who are they? You never know whether it's government folks or others. A huge game of politics, in my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonrakers Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 If I have a serious accident the only person I want touching me is a paramedic or a surgeon/doctor. I've even seen untrained people remove helmets of people in an accident, it's a stupid thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thongkorn Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 (edited) A different culture than what you are used to. That is a large part of the reason I am here. Granted there are parts of it I don't like just as there were parts I didn't like back in Canada. And I am quite sure any place I would go that would hold true. Actually if Thailand could learn to driver on the right side of the road in one lane it would be much better. Thia's seem able to take things in stride far more than westerners. :jap: They do drive on the right side of the road in one lane, much of the time!..........and on the left.........and in the middle You must have touched a nerve with the Thai ministry of Transport ,I have just read that thery are to change driving on the left hand side of the Road, to the right hand side, next Month. Cars and motor cycles On the 1st of the Month, Wagons and busses one week later Edited January 16, 2011 by Thongkorn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckamuck Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 For most Thais, first aid constitutes standing around the victim and talking about the accident. Taking videos and photos is a modern addition to this aspect of culture. In reality what would you like an untrained bystander to do at an accident scene? The only thing I would want them to do is provide comfort until the proffessionals arrive then get out the way. In many other countries there are quite a few civilians that have a basic first aid training. In accident scenes in the west it is not unusual to see people caring for the injured in a proper fashion until the pros arrived. I have done so myself in the past. The point is that here there is no attempt at educating people about very basic measures to do or not to do when you find yourself at an accident scene. Stop the bleeding, keep talking to them, keep them from getting up, don't move them unless their life is in danger from being where they are, try to clear the air way if there seems to be a blockage, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chunky1 Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 why do they show this stuff but censor alcohol bottles on TV when the character goes "Yummy, this alcohol is good" and you see glimpses of the bottle label in his hand as he moves it because the mosaic is lousy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante99 Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 If I have a serious accident the only person I want touching me is a paramedic or a surgeon/doctor. I've even seen untrained people remove helmets of people in an accident, it's a stupid thing to do. Good luck if you have an accident in Thailand. Few accident victims are touched only be paramedics and doctors and it would be difficult to arrange that unless you do something like tattoo instructions on your forehead and even that might not be enough. Those guys going about in pickup trucks picking up accident victims are not paramedics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard10365 Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Not sure why this was moved to the CM forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonrakers Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 If I have a serious accident the only person I want touching me is a paramedic or a surgeon/doctor. I've even seen untrained people remove helmets of people in an accident, it's a stupid thing to do. Good luck if you have an accident in Thailand. Few accident victims are touched only be paramedics and doctors and it would be difficult to arrange that unless you do something like tattoo instructions on your forehead and even that might not be enough. Those guys going about in pickup trucks picking up accident victims are not paramedics. I know, that's the worrying thing. Even people with even the most basic training know not to move a badly injured person but they seem clueless out here. They just pick somebody up and throw them in the back of a pick-up truck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travel2003 Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 If I have a serious accident the only person I want touching me is a paramedic or a surgeon/doctor. I've even seen untrained people remove helmets of people in an accident, it's a stupid thing to do. Good luck if you have an accident in Thailand. Few accident victims are touched only be paramedics and doctors and it would be difficult to arrange that unless you do something like tattoo instructions on your forehead and even that might not be enough. Those guys going about in pickup trucks picking up accident victims are not paramedics. You know, I have been thinking exactly about that myself. One of the very few worries I have in life is about that, or getting picked up by an Ambulance from my home, during rush hours (5-11 AM and 3-10 PM). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonrakers Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 I remember once when I badly sprained an ankle. The first reaction of those around me was to grab it to have a look, as if they would have any idea of how to fix it anyway. They gave me a puzzled look when I threw a lighter at them out of pain to get them to back of and leave it alone, as though they didn't understand it was extremely painful to me and that "stop" meant "stop". "Jip loooorrrrrr?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mca Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 If I have a serious accident the only person I want touching me is a paramedic or a surgeon/doctor. I've even seen untrained people remove helmets of people in an accident, it's a stupid thing to do. When I used to ride bikes back home me and my mates all had stickers on our helmets with " In the event of an accident DO NOT remove this helmet " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjay0 Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 If I have a serious accident the only person I want touching me is a paramedic or a surgeon/doctor. I've even seen untrained people remove helmets of people in an accident, it's a stupid thing to do. +For myself I am a untrained person If I was to come on the seceene I would take a look see what was being done and if nothing use my limited knowledge. Like I say I am untrained but I know enough to hold the head so they can not move. Also try to stop the bleeding and if it looked like it was going to be awhile before help arrived try to cover them up. But that is the Western part of me. In Thailand I do not know. Heard to many stories of foreigners being blamed for it and they arrived after the fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyrobert Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 If I have a serious accident the only person I want touching me is a paramedic or a surgeon/doctor. I've even seen untrained people remove helmets of people in an accident, it's a stupid thing to do. Believe it or not, that is exactly one of the reasons I do not wear one! I have seen it many, many times, twisting the neck back and forth.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJP Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Unpleasant as this may be, it's reality and reality needs to be faced. Anything else is, at best being economical with the truth. Would it be fair to say the sanitizing of similar events by the Western media is more distasteful? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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