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The Thin Veneer Of Civilization

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When you thought it couldn't get any worse...

New Orleans Mayor Issues 'Desperate SOS'

Sep 01 3:23 PM US/Eastern

By ADAM NOSSITER

Associated Press Writer

NEW ORLEANS

Fights and fires broke out, corpses lay out in the open, and rescue helicopters and law enforcement officers were shot at as flood- stricken New Orleans slipped toward anarchy Thursday. "This is a desperate SOS," the mayor said...

...you get the drift :o

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Duplicate post due to flood control. (that's what they needed in N.O.) :o

Duplicate post due to flood control.  (that's what they needed in N.O.) :o

would sixty seconds flood control have been enough.. ?

totster :D

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Duplicate post due to flood control.  (that's what they needed in N.O.) :D

would sixty seconds flood control have been enough.. ?

totster :D

100's of comedians out of work in Vegas & we got Totster! :o

Just for interest, here's some pictures of the Mars offshore oil platform before and after Katrina.

Taoism: shit happens

Buddhism: if shit happens, it isn't really shit

Islam: if shit happens, it is the will of Allah

Catholicism: if shit happens, you deserve it

Judaism: why does this shit always happen to us?

Atheism: I don't believe this shit

I bought some of those videos of Mardi Gras when I was in New York.

The New Orleans gals go....'gimme some beads'

and you say, 'if you show me your tits'

and they go 'woooooooo'.

....does anyone know what i'm talking about?! Great place. Many bared breasts.

Mardi Gras in New Orleans sucks.

You want a real Carnival - Rio or Bahia (Brazil).

It doesn't get any better - jing, jing, mai go hok maak...

Went to Mardi Gras for the first and last time in New Orleans after college back in '92, I had a great time there. Didn't see that many bared Tits though.... :D

( I agree, Carnivale in Rio blows Mardi Gras in New Orleans off the map. In Brazil, the ladies don't just flash their boob, they go practically naked down the street all in that colored sparkly body paint...Among other things... :D )

Never went to the Levees when I was down there, but was told about how the city was below sea level... I did imagine what the place would look like if it got flooded, but never in a million years would I think that it would come actaully come true.....

Had a chance to also see Anne Rice's Greek Revival Mansion in the old garden District back then, being a big fan of her books ( I always wondered why Anne Rice sold her house and Condo last April to move back to San Diego..... I guess she had inside information..... :o:D )

Anyway...to Paraphrase that old Louis Armstrong song, I'm really going to miss New Orleans......

It's not going to be the same if and when things return to Normal... :D

I bought some of those videos of Mardi Gras when I was in New York.

The New Orleans gals go....'gimme some beads'

and you say, 'if you show me your tits'

and they go 'woooooooo'.

....does anyone know what i'm talking about?! Great place. Many bared breasts.

Yeah, I know what you are talking about. I got the whole series from the Internet. Pretty Amazing :D

and it's not only tits !!!

Did you get that part when one of the guys give give her the "beads" to eat out her pussy ? :D and she does it ? with everybody sheering around him ? :D and 2 or 3 guys take turn ? :D

Looked like Bangkok in the good old days :o

According to the White House, about 90,000 sq miles (234,000 sq km) has been affected by the hurricane - an area roughly the size of the UK.

It's animals in there shooting at helicopters.  Looks like Mogodishu all over again. :D

That's a racist statement, If ever I saw one...

I'd thought I'd never in a million years would agree with Tornado on one thing about you , Boon Mee, but... :o

Those "Animals" as you call them are people. And the "shots" at the helicopters has been overblown pretty much..

If Harry Connock Jr. can walk around down there and not be attacked, then I don't see what your point of race baiting is....These people down there are desperate. It's not a riot zone, Boon Mee.

And in the end, it does boil down to race in America.

Would there be more symapthy and far more help for the people down there if they where white faces?

If reporters can get to those people easily, why can't relief trucks?

I don't have to answer that question.... :D

In my New Orleans Mardi Gras videos, the women showing their gozabas in return for strings of beads are always white women.

In my New Orleans Mardi Gras videos, the women showing their gozabas in return for strings of beads are always white women.

And your point being?

:o

In my New Orleans Mardi Gras videos, the women showing their gozabas in return for strings of beads are always white women.

And your point being?

:o

If the journalist's were promising strings of beads we may see some more white women there.... getting their gozabas out... :D

totster :D

It's animals in there shooting at helicopters.  Looks like Mogodishu all over again. :D

That's a racist statement, If ever I saw one...

I'd thought I'd never in a million years would agree with Tornado on one thing about you , Boon Mee, but... :o

Those "Animals" as you call them are people. And the "shots" at the helicopters has been overblown pretty much..

If Harry Connock Jr. can walk around down there and not be attacked, then I don't see what your point of race baiting is....These people down there are desperate. It's not a riot zone, Boon Mee.

And in the end, it does boil down to race in America.

Would there be more symapthy and far more help for the people down there if they where white faces?

If reporters can get to those people easily, why can't relief trucks?

I don't have to answer that question.... :D

I don't know if the statement is racist or not, but if CNN is anything to go by, i'd say the statement was correct.

It's animals in there shooting at helicopters.  Looks like Mogodishu all over again. :D

That's a racist statement, If ever I saw one...

I'd thought I'd never in a million years would agree with Tornado on one thing about you , Boon Mee, but... :o

Those "Animals" as you call them are people. And the "shots" at the helicopters has been overblown pretty much..

If Harry Connock Jr. can walk around down there and not be attacked, then I don't see what your point of race baiting is....These people down there are desperate. It's not a riot zone, Boon Mee.

And in the end, it does boil down to race in America.

Would there be more symapthy and far more help for the people down there if they where white faces?

If reporters can get to those people easily, why can't relief trucks?

I don't have to answer that question.... :D

I don't know if the statement is racist or not, but if CNN is anything to go by, i'd say the statement was correct.

Don't believe everything you see on CNN, if you are forming your opinons of this disaster from there...

I'm quite sure that you would think otherwise if you were actually in the middle of this tragedy....

It's animals in there shooting at helicopters.  Looks like Mogodishu all over again. :D

That's a racist statement, If ever I saw one...

I'd thought I'd never in a million years would agree with Tornado on one thing about you , Boon Mee, but... :o

Those "Animals" as you call them are people. And the "shots" at the helicopters has been overblown pretty much..

If Harry Connock Jr. can walk around down there and not be attacked, then I don't see what your point of race baiting is....These people down there are desperate. It's not a riot zone, Boon Mee.

And in the end, it does boil down to race in America.

Would there be more symapthy and far more help for the people down there if they where white faces?

If reporters can get to those people easily, why can't relief trucks?

I don't have to answer that question.... :D

I don't know if the statement is racist or not, but if CNN is anything to go by, i'd say the statement was correct.

I guess the truth hurts - watching news can give you a dose of reality if one acts like an animal one is treated as such. Rapes/Murders/Assaults/theft aren't acceptable even if one is desperate. :D (theft clothing, food, meds is acceptable from stores - anything else is not)

Gov. Kathleen Blanco called the looters "hoodlums" and issued a warning to lawbreakers: Hundreds of National Guardsmen hardened on the battlefield in Iraq have landed in New Orleans.

"They have M-16s and they're locked and loaded," she said. "These troops know how to shoot and kill, and they are more than willing to do so, and I expect they will."

It's animals in there shooting at helicopters.  Looks like Mogodishu all over again. :D

That's a racist statement, If ever I saw one...

I'd thought I'd never in a million years would agree with Tornado on one thing about you , Boon Mee, but... :o

Those "Animals" as you call them are people. And the "shots" at the helicopters has been overblown pretty much..

If Harry Connock Jr. can walk around down there and not be attacked, then I don't see what your point of race baiting is....These people down there are desperate. It's not a riot zone, Boon Mee.

And in the end, it does boil down to race in America.

Would there be more symapthy and far more help for the people down there if they where white faces?

If reporters can get to those people easily, why can't relief trucks?

I don't have to answer that question.... :D

I don't know if the statement is racist or not, but if CNN is anything to go by, i'd say the statement was correct.

Don't believe everything you see on CNN, if you are forming your opinons of this disaster from there...

I'm quite sure that you would think otherwise if you were actually in the middle of this tragedy....

Well, i'd trust CNN more than FOX.I have no reason not to believe the jurno that was interviewed saying that suv's full of men were patrolling the streats armed with automatic weapons.He said the he saw with his own eyes a guys body with his head blown off...I tend to belive it.BTW, the reporter was not white either.

The BBC has just run a special from the USA disaster area using the same journalists who covered the Tsunami.

It was a chilling indictment of the lack of response from the responsible authorities.

The political and social consequences alone of these terrible scenes are going to enormous.

It is enough that black citizens have been forgotten and deserted by a government whose lack of concern is tantamount to gross negligence, and other disadvantaged are forgotten: hospital patients evacuated into the he££ of sports domes and left to die; prisoners locked in jails that are flooded; predominantly white police forces more concerned with their own safety unable to perceive the plight of the citizens they should "serve and protect".

However this storm has reduced all to the same level. Before being rich really meant something in the USA - the best services and facilities available only to those who had money - but now, with no electricity, no water, no gas, and no access to those large bank accounts or productive share portfolios - the rich are suffering too.

And amongst the rich are the articulate who can see all this and will express their unbelief that a nation so rich and powerful as the USA is unable to react in time with the most elemental disaster relief to an event taking place deep within its own heartland.

Each death through negligence and incompetence should hammer a nail in Bush's presidency deeper than any Watergate, Monica Lewinsky or the losing of the war in Iraq.

To be honest, from the richest,most powerful nation in the world...it's a real shocker.The Pres and his boys have been farting around like old chooks.

The BBC has just run a special from the USA disaster area using the same journalists who covered the Tsunami.

It was a chilling indictment of the lack of response from the responsible authorities.

The political and social consequences alone of these terrible scenes are going to enormous.

It is enough that black citizens have been forgotten and deserted by a government whose lack of concern is tantamount to gross negligence, and other disadvantaged are forgotten: hospital patients evacuated into the he££ of sports domes and left to die; prisoners locked in jails that are flooded; predominantly white police forces more concerned with their own safety unable to perceive the plight of the citizens they should "serve and protect".

However this storm has reduced all to the same level. Before being rich really meant something in the USA - the best services and facilities available only to those who had money - but now, with no electricity, no water, no gas, and no access to those large bank accounts or productive share portfolios - the rich are suffering too.

And amongst the rich are the articulate who can see all this and will express their unbelief that a nation so rich and powerful as the USA is unable to react in time with the most elemental disaster relief to an event taking place deep within its own heartland.

Each death through negligence and incompetence should hammer a nail in Bush's presidency deeper than any Watergate, Monica Lewinsky or the losing of the war in Iraq.

Naive matey!!! :o

The BBC has just run a special from the USA disaster area using the same journalists who covered the Tsunami.

It was a chilling indictment of the lack of response from the responsible authorities.

The political and social consequences alone of these terrible scenes are going to enormous.

It is enough that black citizens have been forgotten and deserted by a government whose lack of concern is tantamount to gross negligence, and other disadvantaged are forgotten: hospital patients evacuated into the he££ of sports domes and left to die; prisoners locked in jails that are flooded; predominantly white police forces more concerned with their own safety unable to perceive the plight of the citizens they should "serve and protect".

However this storm has reduced all to the same level. Before being rich really meant something in the USA - the best services and facilities available only to those who had money - but now, with no electricity, no water, no gas, and no access to those large bank accounts or productive share portfolios - the rich are suffering too.

And amongst the rich are the articulate who can see all this and will express their unbelief that a nation so rich and powerful as the USA is unable to react in time with the most elemental disaster relief to an event taking place deep within its own heartland.

Each death through negligence and incompetence should hammer a nail in Bush's presidency deeper than any Watergate, Monica Lewinsky or the losing of the war in Iraq.

Naive matey!!! :o

Got any arguments to back up your expletive, or was it as read, signifying nothing.

Well, at least this administration is consistent with disasters. It is failing to restore orders no matter where the troops are.

Questions grow over rescue chaos

In New Orleans, state officials have described the chaotic aftermath of Hurricane Katrina as a national disgrace.

And increasingly across the country, questions are being asked: "How could this happen?" "Why is help taking so long?" and "How can thousands of Americans be stranded?".

President George Bush was visiting some of the devastated areas of the south on Friday amid growing anger over the federal response to the disaster.

Officials insist their response has been effective - rejecting widespread criticism that the administration was too slow to react to the crisis.

There has also been criticism from opposition politicians and members of the public that spending on the war on Iraq diverted money away from flood-control projects.

New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin has angrily accused Washington of not having a clue about what was going on.

On Thursday, he issued what he called a "desperate SOS" for help for up to 20,000 refugees stuck in a convention centre in New Orleans which he said was "unsanitary and unsafe" and running out of supplies.

On Friday, authorities in Louisiana were trying to crank up the rescue operation. Convoys of school buses were trying to ferry out the thousands of people sheltering in the convention centre and the nearby New Orleans Superdome amid the filth and the dead.

The questions being asked focus on why it has taken so long to get those buses on the road - and why thousands of people sheltering in the places where they were told to take refuge are now going hungry and thirsty.

Louisiana Governor Kathleen Blanco says she has asked for a "Berlin drop" of food and water.

In an interview with Good Morning America on Friday, she said that they were finally starting to see the response from the federal authorities.

Much of the frustration has been directed at the national authority, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (Fema).

The head of the New Orleans emergency operations, Terry Ebbert, has questioned when reinforcements will actually reach the increasingly lawless city.

"This is a national disgrace. Fema has been here three days, yet there is no command and control," Mr Ebbert said.

"We can send massive amounts of aid to tsunami victims, but we can't bail out the city of New Orleans."

One man, George Turner, who was still waiting to be evacuated, summed up much of the anger felt by the refugees.

"Why is it that the most powerful country on the face of the Earth takes so long to help so many sick and so many elderly people?" he asked.

Tens of thousands of people are still waiting to be evacuated

"Why? That's all I want to ask President Bush."

And John Rhinehart, the administrator of a New Orleans hospital without power and water, said: "I'm beginning to wonder if the government is more concerned about the looting than people who are dying in these hospitals."

There is widespread agreement among commentators that somewhere there has been a breakdown in the system.

The Biloxi Sun Herald in Mississippi asked: "Why hasn't every able-bodied member of the armed forces in south Mississippi been pressed into service?"

And on Friday the Washington Post wrote: "Though experts had long predicted that the city, which sits below sea level and is surrounded by water, would face unprecedented devastation after an immense hurricane, they said problems were worsened by a late evacuation order and insufficient emergency shelter for as many as 100,000 people."

Volunteer effort

The BBC's Jamie Coomarasamy in Baton Rouge says that on the ground in some areas, it is largely volunteers, including those from the Red Cross and other organisations, who are leading the relief efforts.

But he said these efforts were fairly haphazard, with local radio and television stations putting out requests for people to do what they could.

Fema head Michael D Brown has defended the federal response, saying that his agency had prepared for the storm, but that the widespread flooding had hampered the operation.

He said personnel, equipment, supplies, trucks and search-and-rescue teams were positioned in the region ahead of the hurricane, the Washington Post quoted him as saying.

"What the American people need to understand is that the full force of the federal government is bringing all of those supplies in, in an unprecedented effort that has not been seen even in the tsunami region," he said.

"I was in the tsunami region, and this response is incredibly more efficient, more effective and under the most difficult circumstances."

Jan Egeland, the UN emergency relief co-ordinator has written to US ambassador to the UN John Bolton offering help.

"I understand people's frustration, but I also know from bitter experience that this, the fifth and the sixth and the seventh days are always among the worst, because it is before you reach, really, the largest amount of people," he told the BBC.

"Could more have been done? I would say every society in the world is not preparing adequately for catastrophic events. Disaster prevention is something that we are campaigning for all over the world, and I would say no society is fully prepared for all eventualities."

From the BBC

Got any arguments to back up your expletive, or was it as read, signifying nothing.

TM - rich were gone days ago. From what I gather the poor/uneducated stuck around. Perhaps the city/state govt should have declared martial law and forced everyone to leave the area, but this is a logistical nightmare. (then and now)

Impact - like any disaster it will take years to sort New Orleans and other battered areas out. (huge expansive area)

Political impact - none. As long as the perception of smth is being done then little will change for the politicians.

Thomas - I don't like Bush much too, but there's nothing a President can do, he has no resources under his control that he can deploy. He signs Laws. He's not like Tony Blair who can make things happen.

Governor of Louisiana is the one to make the request centrally, say for army deployment.

Boon Mee, is that correct?

Thomas - I don't like Bush much too, but there's nothing a President can do, he has no resources under his control that he can deploy. He signs Laws. He's not like Tony Blair who can make things happen.

Governor of Louisiana is the one to make the request centrally, say for army deployment.

Boon Mee, is that correct?

Is the President not Commander in Chief?

Got any arguments to back up your expletive, or was it as read, signifying nothing.

TM - rich were gone days ago. From what I gather the poor/uneducated stuck around. Perhaps the city/state govt should have declared martial law and forced everyone to leave the area, but this is a logistical nightmare. (then and now)

Impact - like any disaster it will take years to sort New Orleans and other battered areas out. (huge expansive area)

Political impact - none. As long as the perception of smth is being done then little will change for the politicians.

We'll see. This is all speculation.

But I have a feeling because this disaster is domestic and covers a far greater area both geographically and socially than 911, plus the fact there is no "enemy" to blame, the consequences must not be underestimated.

Thomas - I don't like Bush much too, but there's nothing a President can do, he has no resources under his control that he can deploy. He signs Laws. He's not like Tony Blair who can make things happen.

Actually he can, at the federal level

Apart from dosh, troops, relaxing laws not alot the President can do.

State of Lousiana clearly gets the blame on this one....their disaster plans were shi*e!!!!

Yes, he is <C in C> but i'm not sure he can legally just send in the US army into one of the States.

The American Constitution might make it difficult for him to just do that. It was written to prevent Washington from getting involved in people's lives in the Union.

In many ways the founding documents of the USA have their practical downsides as well as advantages.

Constitutional Experts?

The BBC has just run a special from the USA disaster area using the same journalists who covered the Tsunami.

It was a chilling indictment of the lack of response from the responsible authorities.

With all due respect, we live in the day and age of "if it bleeds, it leads." There is no benefit to the slimely news broadcasters, for producing stories of things going right (which I'm sure there are many).

The fact is that it "makes better news" to show the agony and the lawlessness.

And answer me this, why are most of the major news outlets focused on New Orleans, which is a small percentage of the overall affected area? I'll tell you. Because that is "where the action is!"

Forgive me, but this is closer to exploitation than to legitimate reporting.

Frankly, I stunned at the level of devastation. I cannot help but feel for the people who are suffering, and feel obligated to make some sort of donation. But most of the reporting and all the political cheap shots getting thrown around just make me sick.

Each death through negligence and incompetence should hammer a nail in Bush's presidency deeper than any Watergate, Monica Lewinsky or the losing of the war in Iraq.

Oh please!!!!

The President is responsible for everything that has gone bad or well here? Gimme a &lt;deleted&gt;' break!

As much as I don't really care for Clinton andhis legacy, even I wouldn't lay that kind of baggage on him, if this would have happened during his term. It is nonsensical and laughable.

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And while we're at it, let's remember a few things to keep the perspective:

- New Orleans is and has been a powderkeg for decades. It has long ranked at or near the top of all US cities, in murders and other forms of violent crime. It is a living crime spree just waiting for an excuse to cut loose.

- New Orleans has a lot of the social problems that is has because of the failed social policies of the 60's and 70's, which did little more than produce a virtual welfare state in this and other large cities.

- Most of the people who are suffering, are suffering because they didn't leave when authorities warned them to leave, or were offered a chance to leave. (Although it is fair to admit that many people couldn't afford to leave, or weren't provided with transportation to leave.)

- Everybody knows or should know the risks of living in those areas. I used to do a lot of work in the bayou area (Morgan City, 90 mi sw of NO), and I can guarantee you that big floods are a fact of life and most people do get out when big storms are forecasted.

- No one pitched a fit about the levee system for the last 30+ years, yet each and every politician, civic leader army engineer and knowledgeable citizen knew full well that the levee system had inherent design limitations. It is completely non-sensical to point the finger at one or more people after the fact.

IMHO, every politician and news reporter who is out there trying to extract personal and professional gain from this tragedy, ought to be publicly strung up by their privates until they beg for forgiveness and mercy.

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