Bombs Discovered In Bangkok Ahead Of PAD Rally

[Robby nz]

:ph34r:What a lot of propaganda and shit the military’s puppet government spins to us Red Shirts Yellow shirts both used as part of the propaganda machine of Thailand.

I see Mr Amsterdam has a new employee.

Looks like they are all gathering now.

Lets hope there are no other ex reds or ex yellows for that matter who want to start a fight.

The first who was caught, I see his nickname in Dum which seems appropriate, and ratted on his mates might just be the one to come out and name the paymaster, with a bit of luck and maybe a little explaining why he should.

[Just1Voice]

War Weapons planning to be fired at the PAD. Thaksin never gives up does he...

Would you mind sharing with the rest of us your verifiable source of information that Thaksin is behind this? Or are you merely stating a biased and prejudicial opinion which has no basis in reality?

[bangon04]

one thing that always amazes me is how the thai police, that normally have trouble finding their own <deleted> with both hands, manage to foil these plots, it was the same when the army were planting bombs round the city before xmas (or if you buy the government propaganda, the red shirts), ip stepped the police to find these devices straight away as though someone has told them exactly where to find them and how to publicize it.

As I read it, the TPN guards caught the first man and handed him over to the police, then subsequently the information was beaten out of him (aka interrogated).

Hardly CSI Miami, is it....

[Buchholz]

the police, then subsequently the information was beaten out of him (aka interrogated).

Thawatchai doesn't look very beat up...

[animatic]

the police, then subsequently the information was beaten out of him (aka interrogated).

Thawatchai doesn't look very beat up...

QUite correct.

He looks pissed off and resentful, and not all the bright a bulb..

[meelousee]

Man in a plaid red and yellow checker suit carrying a Cambodian flag. Was found drunk and disorderly at a bar in Soi Cowboy, he was carrying a Tunisia African passport.

Well it is a better story and it is as phony as the one above

[yoshiwara]

Thaksin will be very unhappy that the silly PADS are attempting to seize the political initiative and publicity away from the red push to up the demonstration muscle as we head into election season soon. An attempt at intimidation to dissuade the nationalists from getting in the red's way has been inept but that's how the red fools operate, not very cleverly. Thaksin knows that the reds no longer control the streets, so the current campaign is being conducted in a slow ratchet upwards. The real face, the violent face just happens to pop out when a competitor gets in the way. Jatuporn will attempt to lead. We know his form. The forum red cheerleaders as per usual deny until they can't and then retreat to pop out later when the going looks clear.

[Just1Voice]

I'm neither defending or accusing anyone. I just find it amusing that people are so quick to jump to the conclusion that one group, or especially one person, is responsible, without having a clue as to the actual facts. Before rushing to judgment, and making accusations which may be totally wrong, why not wait for the fact to come out. Oh,wait, that would spoil all the fun of the "I know who did it!" bashers, wouldn't it.

[khaowong1]

That's the problem with these protests, it's very easy for a 'third hand' to let off a bomb to discredit their opponents. Security isn't great, the police can barely cope, if you've got 10,000 reds marching through Bangkok from Ratchaprasong to Ratchadamneon, how easy is it for an individual to let of a bomb out of spite, kill a few reds, let the government be damned...

All this protesting is a recipe for further disaster and the sooner the government can get the new act passed on assembly, the better. IMO these people have exhausted their right and privilege to protest and tough action is called for, let them find other effective means to express their discontent.

I think the need to express there discontent is only for there own bemifit. It is well publizized. They would do better to work with the Government to find a solution.

They tend to forget that the government is not giving away land just out of hand.

In my estimation they really don't care to the yellow leaders it is only a means to stay in the public spotlight. It is a sad state of affairs when two groups notably the red shirts and the yellow shirts put there own interests first and Thailand second.

Neither one of the groups gains by there constant disruption of honest hard working citizen's lives. Each protest alienates them a little bit more from the honest hard working citizens.

Ironically it is needed by the members of each group. When they surround themselves with others of like mind it reinforces what they want to believe. When they are in there own local environment where the people do not carry on about it they start to become unsure of themselves. The locals are more concerned about earning a living with a few extra baht for entertainment. For a lot the entertainment dosen't even enter into the picture they can hardly get the basics.

When are these two groups going to show some concern for the poor people.

Have they ever showed any concern for the poor people?

[bulmercke]

Sound fishy. Looks like a set up to discourage PAD from coming to join the protest.

That's my thinking as well. Also - indirectly - discouraging Red-Shirts from getting involved in protests for the meantime. Interesting to note that some reporters yesterday expressed suspicion about the whole thing when the police were unable - and would not - for whatever reason produce the 'suspects' for public scrutiny. Unusual.

Looks like another government sponsored false-flag operation. And who benefits the most from this story? Oldest trick in the book.

[rubl]

Sound fishy. Looks like a set up to discourage PAD from coming to join the protest.

That's my thinking as well. Also - indirectly - discouraging Red-Shirts from getting involved in protests for the meantime. Interesting to note that some reporters yesterday expressed suspicion about the whole thing when the police were unable - and would not - for whatever reason produce the 'suspects' for public scrutiny. Unusual.

Looks like another government sponsored false-flag operation. And who benefits the most from this story? Oldest trick in the book.

As another poster mentioned probably the army planting bombs like last year. On the other hand it might be the Dem's who probably anonymously sponsor ex-red-shirt guards to stir up troubles so the government can re-instate the SoE or maybe even get the Army so upset they stage another coup and hand the government position to the Dem's again on a golden plate, like in 2008.

Ah, I really like spin stories

[bulmercke]

QUOTE:"Army chief General Prayuth Chan-ocha said the arrested former red-shirt guards were most likely ordered by ill-intentioned people to carry out attacks to incite unrest."

AND - "The suspects have confessed that they were hired to sabotage the yellow-shirt People Alliance for Democracy's rally on Tuesday."

No wonder the two suspects - Don Martar and Tawatchai Iamnak - look cheesed off. They realise they have been shamelessly used. They are patsies - plain and simple. Scape-goats designed to take the blame for these "supposed" and "intended" attacks on the PAD rallies. Possibly - ordinary - known Red-Shirt supporters who were duped into accepting these armaments for some financial gain.

The police (well - at least factions of it) and the army and the government are in cohorts over this tawdry matter. This will only increase the anger of Red-Shirts and ordinary - decent people with a modicum of intelligence who can see through these shenanigans.

This - the most recent - false-flag operation is so blatant and obvious that it must surely border on embarrassing and simplistic within the international intelligence agencies whose job it is to monitor such activities and developments.

[rubl]

QUOTE:"Army chief General Prayuth Chan-ocha said the arrested former red-shirt guards were most likely ordered by ill-intentioned people to carry out attacks to incite unrest."

AND - "The suspects have confessed that they were hired to sabotage the yellow-shirt People Alliance for Democracy's rally on Tuesday."

No wonder the two suspects - Don Martar and Tawatchai Iamnak - look cheesed off. They realise they have been shamelessly used. They are patsies - plain and simple. Scape-goats designed to take the blame for these "supposed" and "intended" attacks on the PAD rallies. Possibly - ordinary - known Red-Shirt supporters who were duped into accepting these armaments for some financial gain.

The police (well - at least factions of it) and the army and the government are in cohorts over this tawdry matter. This will only increase the anger of Red-Shirts and ordinary - decent people with a modicum of intelligence who can see through these shenanigans.

This - the most recent - false-flag operation is so blatant and obvious that it must surely border on embarrassing and simplistic within the international intelligence agencies whose job it is to monitor such activities and developments.

More spin, thank you. I must admit I'm not too good at it, I like to stick to (documented) facts if possible

[jillwilliams999]

Set up is easily arranged in Thailand.

[bulmercke]

QUOTE:"Army chief General Prayuth Chan-ocha said the arrested former red-shirt guards were most likely ordered by ill-intentioned people to carry out attacks to incite unrest."

AND - "The suspects have confessed that they were hired to sabotage the yellow-shirt People Alliance for Democracy's rally on Tuesday."

No wonder the two suspects - Don Martar and Tawatchai Iamnak - look cheesed off. They realise they have been shamelessly used. They are patsies - plain and simple. Scape-goats designed to take the blame for these "supposed" and "intended" attacks on the PAD rallies. Possibly - ordinary - known Red-Shirt supporters who were duped into accepting these armaments for some financial gain.

The police (well - at least factions of it) and the army and the government are in cohorts over this tawdry matter. This will only increase the anger of Red-Shirts and ordinary - decent people with a modicum of intelligence who can see through these shenanigans.

This - the most recent - false-flag operation is so blatant and obvious that it must surely border on embarrassing and simplistic within the international intelligence agencies whose job it is to monitor such activities and developments.

More spin, thank you. I must admit I'm not too good at it, I like to stick to (documented) facts if possible

rubl - the only two real documented facts are the ones I quoted. I guess the big question is who hired them in the first place. No prizes there I'm afraid.

[TAWP]

In bulmercke and Jutaporns world the Red Shirts have never done anything wrong. if a violent revolt fails - as it did - then everyone caught and charged for the violence they perpetrated is 'false red' or 'ex red' or something to the same extent. Always the same response, after each and every event.

[rubl]

QUOTE:"Army chief General Prayuth Chan-ocha said the arrested former red-shirt guards were most likely ordered by ill-intentioned people to carry out attacks to incite unrest."

AND - "The suspects have confessed that they were hired to sabotage the yellow-shirt People Alliance for Democracy's rally on Tuesday."

No wonder the two suspects - Don Martar and Tawatchai Iamnak - look cheesed off. They realise they have been shamelessly used. They are patsies - plain and simple. Scape-goats designed to take the blame for these "supposed" and "intended" attacks on the PAD rallies. Possibly - ordinary - known Red-Shirt supporters who were duped into accepting these armaments for some financial gain.

The police (well - at least factions of it) and the army and the government are in cohorts over this tawdry matter. This will only increase the anger of Red-Shirts and ordinary - decent people with a modicum of intelligence who can see through these shenanigans.

This - the most recent - false-flag operation is so blatant and obvious that it must surely border on embarrassing and simplistic within the international intelligence agencies whose job it is to monitor such activities and developments.

More spin, thank you. I must admit I'm not too good at it, I like to stick to (documented) facts if possible

rubl - the only two real documented facts are the ones I quoted. I guess the big question is who hired them in the first place. No prizes there I'm afraid.

Correct, I should have been more specific. The 'spin' refers to all AFTER the first two quotes. Maybe I should be more polite and just call it your opinion. No offence meant.

[Emptyset]

This - the most recent - false-flag operation is so blatant and obvious that it must surely border on embarrassing and simplistic within the international intelligence agencies whose job it is to monitor such activities and developments.

Not sure about this. It seems perfectly plausible that there are some militant reds who've decided to take things into their own hands. Nick Nostitz says there are groups of "hardcore" reds who think the approach of the UDD is too soft and compromising*, I guess he should know better than most. I'm sure many still hold grudges against the PAD. The suspect claims he acted alone: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2011/01/26/national/Suspect-just-wanted-to-scare-people-30147176.html

I hope there aren't too many more of these types out there. Fortunately most of them seem amateurish. One ex-soldier tells me that most of the equipment the police recovered is "useless" and incapable of being used. Wonder if any other ex-military can confirm that?

However, as usual there are some anomalies with the story that perhaps give some people reason to suspect a set-up. The story seems to have changed a few times already, first it was the police caught him, then he was caught by guards and handed over to the police and now it turns out the police have been monitoring them for months (in the above story). So it just happens he was caught by the TPN guards at the same time as the house was raided by undercover policemen? As I say it's a plausible story but not all the facts are clear yet. No doubt the story will change a few times yet. Also, he's implicated in the Big C bombs etc and haven't the police already got people for some of those incidents? Or are they all part of the same group? Maybe Buchholz can helpfully supply some links so we can compare stories.

*see this comment: http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2010/12/03/legitimacy-crisis-in-thailand/#comment-743192

[Emptyset]

Thaksin will be very unhappy that the silly PADS are attempting to seize the political initiative and publicity away from the red push to up the demonstration muscle as we head into election season soon. An attempt at intimidation to dissuade the nationalists from getting in the red's way has been inept but that's how the red fools operate, not very cleverly. Thaksin knows that the reds no longer control the streets, so the current campaign is being conducted in a slow ratchet upwards. The real face, the violent face just happens to pop out when a competitor gets in the way. Jatuporn will attempt to lead. We know his form. The forum red cheerleaders as per usual deny until they can't and then retreat to pop out later when the going looks clear.

I doubt Thaksin is unhappy at all with what the PAD are doing. Why would he be unhappy that PAD are making trouble for the government? If I were him, I'd be pretty pleased. If they were united I'd be unhappy though. If I were Thaksin I'd just be hoping the PAD irritate people enough to draw attention away from the violent acts of the red shirts, which has lost him and PT public support by association. Why do you think Thaksin is the shadowy hand behind everything? Do you think it's really possible for someone not even in the country to micromanage events to the degree that you seem to suggest? I don't know why people assume it's always someone pulling the strings of X, like Thai people aren't capable of doing anything autonomously without some ringleader or other being behind it. For reds, it's the military/amaat and for anti-reds, it's Thaksin. I think things are far more complicated than that.

I think if Thaksin and his allies (here I specifically mean his ex & serving military allies) want violence, you'll see the sort of people involved in April 10th involved. Highly trained killers, not a group of aging farmers and motorcycle taxi drivers, who in the long run are more likely to get caught or do themselves damage more than anything else.

[rubl]

I doubt Thaksin is unhappy at all with what the PAD are doing. Why would he be unhappy that PAD are making trouble for the government? If I were him, I'd be pretty pleased. If they were united I'd be unhappy though. If I were Thaksin I'd just be hoping the PAD irritate people enough to draw attention away from the violent acts of the red shirts, which has lost him and PT public support by association. Why do you think Thaksin is the shadowy hand behind everything? Do you think it's really possible for someone not even in the country to micromanage events to the degree that you seem to suggest? I don't know why people assume it's always someone pulling the strings of X, like Thai people aren't capable of doing anything autonomously without some ringleader or other being behind it. For reds, it's the military/amaat and for anti-reds, it's Thaksin. I think things are far more complicated than that.

I think if Thaksin and his allies (here I specifically mean his ex & serving military allies) want violence, you'll see the sort of people involved in April 10th involved. Highly trained killers, not a group of aging farmers and motorcycle taxi drivers, who in the long run are more likely to get caught or do themselves damage more than anything else.

I also doubt k. Thaksin is unhappy about the yellow-shirt and TNP activities. Mind you I'm not sure what goes on in his mind, I didn't have a phone call from him for awhile already

Edited January 25, 2011 by rubl

[rubl]

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I hope there aren't too many more of these types out there. Fortunately most of them seem amateurish. One ex-soldier tells me that most of the equipment the police recovered is "useless" and incapable of being used. Wonder if any other ex-military can confirm that?

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To be able to tell if equipment is 'usable' or not you need more than just pictures. You need 'hands on' to investigate. If someone tells you 'I saw it, it's useless' you probably do good to err on the side of extreme caution and keep your distance before touching any of the stuff.

[Buchholz]

^ as well as not trusting their opinion in the future.

[Chupup]

Man in a plaid red and yellow checker suit carrying a Cambodian flag. Was found drunk and disorderly at a bar in Soi Cowboy, he was carrying a Tunisia African passport.

Well it is a better story and it is as phony as the one above

yeh right :cheesy:

[Chupup]

Thaksin will be very unhappy that the silly PADS are attempting to seize the political initiative and publicity away from the red push to up the demonstration muscle as we head into election season soon. An attempt at intimidation to dissuade the nationalists from getting in the red's way has been inept but that's how the red fools operate, not very cleverly. Thaksin knows that the reds no longer control the streets, so the current campaign is being conducted in a slow ratchet upwards. The real face, the violent face just happens to pop out when a competitor gets in the way. Jatuporn will attempt to lead. We know his form. The forum red cheerleaders as per usual deny until they can't and then retreat to pop out later when the going looks clear.

I doubt Thaksin is unhappy at all with what the PAD are doing. Why would he be unhappy that PAD are making trouble for the government? If I were him, I'd be pretty pleased. If they were united I'd be unhappy though. If I were Thaksin I'd just be hoping the PAD irritate people enough to draw attention away from the violent acts of the red shirts, which has lost him and PT public support by association. Why do you think Thaksin is the shadowy hand behind everything? Do you think it's really possible for someone not even in the country to micromanage events to the degree that you seem to suggest? I don't know why people assume it's always someone pulling the strings of X, like Thai people aren't capable of doing anything autonomously without some ringleader or other being behind it. For reds, it's the military/amaat and for anti-reds, it's Thaksin. I think things are far more complicated than that.

I think if Thaksin and his allies (here I specifically mean his ex & serving military allies) want violence, you'll see the sort of people involved in April 10th involved. Highly trained killers, not a group of aging farmers and motorcycle taxi drivers, who in the long run are more likely to get caught or do themselves damage more than anything else.

And all these aging farmers can afford to rally in BKK for weeks on end at their own expence

[whybother]

<snip> http://www.nationmul...e-30147176.html

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However, as usual there are some anomalies with the story that perhaps give some people reason to suspect a set-up. The story seems to have changed a few times already, first it was the police caught him, then he was caught by guards and handed over to the police and now it turns out the police have been monitoring them for months (in the above story).

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(snipped most of above ... just commenting on the link really)

Some interesting comments in the above Nation article:

"I had joined red-shirt rallies before but I did not get the democracy I wanted,"

Thawatchai claimed he had got all the weapons from a man known only as Pon, whom he met during the red-shirt rally earlier this year.

"We share the same political ideology. So when he asked whether he could deposit the weapons under my care, I had no objection," Thawatchai said.

In response to the arrest of the suspected bombers, red-shirt leader Jatuporn Prompan said he felt another coup was coming.

"No matter what, I can assure you that the red shirts are not involved in the bomb plot," he said.

[bulmercke]

In bulmercke and Jutaporns world the Red Shirts have never done anything wrong. if a violent revolt fails - as it did - then everyone caught and charged for the violence they perpetrated is 'false red' or 'ex red' or something to the same extent. Always the same response, after each and every event.

I'm not claiming that the Red-Shirts have done no wrong in the past and that there are no longer any Reds still out there with violent intent - but in this case - it appears quite clearly - the timing - the nature of the haul - taking into account similar stunts of a similar nature pulled of by the army - that this is a set-up to suit a particular political agenda at this time.

Ans what are the odds that Pon (mentioned in the above post) is under-cover police or military? Clearly a set-up

Edited January 26, 2011 by bulmercke

[whybother]

I'm not claiming that the Red-Shirts have done no wrong in the past and that there are no longer any Reds still out there with violent intent - but in this case - it appears quite clearly - the timing - the nature of the haul - taking into account similar stunts of a similar nature pulled of by the army - that this is a set-up to suit a particular political agenda at this time.

Ans what are the odds that Pon (mentioned in the above post) is under-cover police or military? Clearly a set-up

"taking into account similar stunts of a similar nature pulled of by the army"

Which stunts are those?

[ukfool]

Sound fishy. Looks like a set up to discourage PAD from coming to join the protest.

... or encouraging them.

Have there been any previous incidents of PAD involvement with RPG's?

Unsure, but the way things are here, possibly all incidents ?

[whybother]

Unsure, but the way things are here, possibly all incidents ?

Yep, all those red shirts that have been arrested are really yellow shirts in disguise.

[SantiSuk]

That's the problem with these protests, it's very easy for a 'third hand' to let off a bomb to discredit their opponents. Security isn't great, the police can barely cope, if you've got 10,000 reds marching through Bangkok from Ratchaprasong to Ratchadamneon, how easy is it for an individual to let of a bomb out of spite, kill a few reds, let the government be damned...

All this protesting is a recipe for further disaster and the sooner the government can get the new act passed on assembly, the better. IMO these people have exhausted their right and privilege to protest and tough action is called for, let them find other effective means to express their discontent.

Agree. The government should have kept a diluted emergency order over Bangkok. Diluted enough so that the charge of curfew doesn't stick (that word curfew scares off tourists) but restricts the right of assembly for very large groups. It's crazy that we are now back to blocked off streets and wasting national resources. Many of the democratic Western nations would have banned rallies exceeding one day a long time ago in similar circumstances.