Thai Army Will Retaliate And No Longer Talk With Cambodia: Sansern

[whybother]

Cambodian govt says Preah Vihear temple hit by around 100 shells in weekend fighting.1 tourist killed. /via @vaitor /via@seacorro

What are they doing letting tourists into the area?

[wintermute]

The casualities are pretty low at the moment which leads me to believe there's nothing to fret about. After all both armies are fairly incompetent and weak so it's like two cripples butting heads in their wheelchairs. The only Thai forces worth mentioning are the few well trained naval commando units and the U.S. purchased airplanes. Other than that it'll remain a low intensity border conflict. Neither has the mechanized or armored power to make any serious stand.

[kuffki]

How is my post belligerent in anyway what so ever?

Fact 1. Cambodia asked for help from UN and from ASEAN

Facts 2. ASEAN offered to mediate and intervene, Thailand declined

If Thailand was even interested in peace, why would they decline? Why Thailand has not contacted UN asking to stop Cambodia from attacking?

Why Thailand has not written to UN complaining about Cambodia killing and aiming at schools?

If Cambodia indeed did aim at schools and villages and is killing Thai civilians left, right and center and Thailand claims, why would Cambodia seek help from UN and ASEAN, would not those crimes be uncovered and Cambodia would face serious consequences?

Where did Thailand claim that Cambodia are "killing Thai civilians left, right and center"?

figure of speech. Thailand and some posters are claiming that Cambodia is aiming at schools and hospitals and just villages

OK. So you're claiming that Thailand blew up their own schools and villages?

What i am claiming is ONCE AGAIN

Cambodia asked for help from UN and from ASEAN

ASEAN offered to mediate and intervene, Thailand declined

If Thailand was even interested in peace, why would they decline? Why Thailand has not contacted UN asking to stop Cambodia from attacking?

Why Thailand has not written to UN complaining about Cambodia killing and aiming at schools?

Is there any evidence or proof that Thai military is NOT stationed by the school or DOES NOT have a tank parked byt he school?

If Cambodia indeed did aim at schools and villages and is killing Thai civilians , why would Cambodia seek help from UN and ASEAN, would not those crimes be uncovered and Cambodia would face serious consequences?

Edited February 7, 2011 by kuffki

[jayjay0]

Fresh fighting on border with Thailand: Cambodian PM

PHNOM PENH, February 7, 2011 (AFP) - Thai and Cambodian troops clashed Monday for a fourth straight day, Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen said, as tensions again surged in a border dispute that has left at least five people dead.

"The firing has started for the fourth time," Hun Sen said at a graduation ceremony in the capital.

A Cambodian military commander who did not wish to be named said both sides traded fire just after 8:00 am (0100 GMT). He was unable to say what kind of weapons were involved.

A Thai military source near the border said that about two minutes of small arms fire had been heard on Monday morning, describing it as a "misunderstanding."

-- (c) Copyright AFP 2011-02-07

Amazing either Cambodia started it or it is a misunderstanding.

The Thai's can not be responsible.

Now is the time for Abhist to step up to the plate. No more misunderstanding's.

Will he NO

Sad when the PM can not use his brains and uses the Thai can do no wrong myth to put a country in to a stupid war.

[whybother]

What i am claiming is ONCE AGAIN

Cambodia asked for help from UN and from ASEAN

ASEAN offered to mediate and intervene, Thailand declined

If Thailand was even interested in peace, why would they decline? Why Thailand has not contacted UN asking to stop Cambodia from attacking?

Why Thailand has not written to UN complaining about Cambodia killing and aiming at schools?

Is there any evidence or proof that Thai military is NOT stationed by the school or DOES NOT have a tank parked byt he school?

If Cambodia indeed did aim at schools and villages and is killing Thai civilians , why would Cambodia seek help from UN and ASEAN, would not those crimes be uncovered and Cambodia would face serious consequences?

It is pretty simple really. Cambodia are complaining to the UN for political purposes. It says nothing about whether they were the aggressor or not.

It would be very easy for Cambodia to push into Thai or disputed territory, and then complain to the UN so that hostilities stop and they don't get pushed out.

[SomTumTiger]

Who has the most to gain from this current situation, and is best friends with one of the principal players? Answer that and you understand what is happening, and why it is happening.

[jayjay0]

So now we know what the army thinks.

What does the government think?

What do the thai people think?

The Thai people are to enmeshed in the Thai superiority myth to think any thing is wrong.

[truethailand]

So now we know what the army thinks.

What does the government think?

What do the thai people think?

The army does not care what anybody thinks.. Coup coming soon

[wintermute]

It would be very easy for Cambodia to push into Thai or disputed territory, and then complain to the UN so that hostilities stop and they don't get pushed out.

That's not how mediation works in the real world. The borders are pretty well defined and this is all just historical circle jerking over nothing. Two corrupt third world juntas beating their chests over nationalism and wasting their country's money on useless conflict.

[stickyrice2000]

Kuffki, Thais people cannot even resolve their own internal problems. I do not expect them to resolve at the international level. They dragged other country into their political mess. Why all the sudden they make a big commotion out of this? How big is Siam before? Should other countries make a big deal out of the past and claim their territory back?

[kuffki]

What i am claiming is ONCE AGAIN

Cambodia asked for help from UN and from ASEAN

ASEAN offered to mediate and intervene, Thailand declined

If Thailand was even interested in peace, why would they decline? Why Thailand has not contacted UN asking to stop Cambodia from attacking?

Why Thailand has not written to UN complaining about Cambodia killing and aiming at schools?

Is there any evidence or proof that Thai military is NOT stationed by the school or DOES NOT have a tank parked byt he school?

If Cambodia indeed did aim at schools and villages and is killing Thai civilians , why would Cambodia seek help from UN and ASEAN, would not those crimes be uncovered and Cambodia would face serious consequences?

It is pretty simple really. Cambodia are complaining to the UN for political purposes. It says nothing about whether they were the aggressor or not.

It would be very easy for Cambodia to push into Thai or disputed territory, and then complain to the UN so that hostilities stop and they don't get pushed out.

Agree, but it does not explain why Thailand has declined help from ASEAN to mediate, or why Thailand declined Cambodian proposal to withdraw troops from both sides to avoid any further military conflict. It also does not explain why Thai military would make a statement of no more talks.

[whybother]

It would be very easy for Cambodia to push into Thai or disputed territory, and then complain to the UN so that hostilities stop and they don't get pushed out.

That's not how mediation works in the real world. The borders are pretty well defined and this is all just historical circle jerking over nothing. Two corrupt third world juntas beating their chests over nationalism and wasting their country's money on useless conflict.

The problem is, the borders are NOT well defined.

[tigerbalm]

You got proof?

I know, those buildings were probably blown up by fake Cambodians.

Firstly it is against the rules to modify posts when quoting.

Secondly, you KNOW of some buildings being blown up

You DO NOT KNOW how and by whom and what the actual building was.

You only KNOW what you have been told by the media.

Please answer my original question which you conveniently cut out from your post. So let me put it to you again.

Cambodia is asking for UN to intervene and for ASEAN, while Thailand has rejected any help from ASEAN to even mediate. So who is hiding what from coming out?

You have a point there ,if the Thai military thought they were responding to the Cambodian Aggressor then one would think it would be in the Thai interest to call for external mediation to show every body that it was the Cambodians fault but for some unknown reason the Thai authorities don't want to go there, may be some thing to hide, who knows.

[webfact]

THAI-KHMER BORDER DISPUTE

Border clash re-erupted Monday morning

By The Nation

Cambodian and Thai troops exchanged fire again on Monday morning at near the controversial temple.

The clash took place at about 8.30am and a helicopter was sent to check the damage and injuries at the site which is in Si Sa Ket's Kantaralak district.

No immediate report about the deaths and wounds was available.

This was another round of fighting between Thailand and Cambodia troops after the first one broke out last Friday.

Both sides used heavy weapons including rockets, machine guns, mortars and artillery. The Thai side said Cambodia started the attack, forcing it to retaliate.

Both senior army officers agreed to a ceasefire on Saturday only to be shattered on Sunday.

Hundreds of local people have been evacuating from the areas. Si Sa Ket authorities turned city hall and stadiums into shelters for them.

Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen on Sunday night sent a letter to the United Nations Security Council requesting to convene an urgent meeting to stop Thai invasion into Cambodian territory.

The clashes have already caused many seriously damages to the temple of Preah Vihear, a World Heritage, according to the report from Cambodian military stationed at the border area.

-- The Nation 2011-02-07

[jayjay0]

Who is damaging the temple? Uhmmm... The Thais are aiming at which direction and the Cambodians are aiming at which direction? The case is closed.

Thais damaged an uninhabited temple, Cambodians shelled towns and schools with heavy artillery

You got proof?

Cambodia is asking for UN to intervene and for ASEAN, while Thailand has rejected any help from ASEAN to even mediate. So who is hiding what from coming out?

You are quite belligerent for a man who doesn't know for certain what happened.

And you are quite defensive for a man who dosen't know for certain what happened.

[webfact]

Related topic:

UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon 'deeply concerned' on Thailand-Cambodia spat

Follow this link:

[whybother]

It is pretty simple really. Cambodia are complaining to the UN for political purposes. It says nothing about whether they were the aggressor or not.

It would be very easy for Cambodia to push into Thai or disputed territory, and then complain to the UN so that hostilities stop and they don't get pushed out.

Agree, but it does not explain why Thailand has declined help from ASEAN to mediate, or why Thailand declined Cambodian proposal to withdraw troops from both sides to avoid any further military conflict. It also does not explain why Thai military would make a statement of no more talks.

Cambodia can withdraw their troops when ever they like. They don't need UN or ASEAN approval to do that.

[kuffki]

Kuffki, Thais people cannot even resolve their own internal problems. I do not expect them to resolve at the international level. They dragged other country into their political mess. Why all the sudden they make a big commotion out of this? How big is Siam before? Should other countries make a big deal out of the past and claim their territory back?

Sorry how does your post relate to mine? or how does my posts make you write what you did?

[webfact]

Singapore urges Thailand and Cambodia to exercise restraint

Singapore has expressed deep concern over the recent border clashes between Thailand and Cambodia.

In a media statement, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA) spokesman called on both countries to exercise restraint.

Channel News Asia quoted the spokesman as urging Thailand and Cambodia to resolve their differences through negotiations.

This is important both for their long term relationship, as well as in the broader interests of Asean.

The statement said Singapore welcomes and supports the visit by Indonesian Foreign Minister Marty Natalegawa to Bangkok and Phnom Penh.

It said Indonesia, as Asean Chair, is actively consulting the relevant parties and helping to facilitate dialogue between the two countries so that the dispute can be resolved in a peaceful manner."

-- The Nation 2011-02-07

[truethailand]

Thai Army Will Retaliate And No Longer Talk With Cambodia: Sansern

Title of this topic and demonstrates who is the agressor and who is calling the shots. Be sure its not Abhisit controlling his troops

[timekeeper]

looks, like the conflict is escalating.

thailand should agree to the mediation from the un security council or asean.

both sites should withdraw all military from the border area, as it was proposed already a long time ago by cambodia.

maybe you should move to Cambodia

you seem to support them........

[jayjay0]

the Thai,s are hard headed I am suprised that the not claim Angkor wat as Thai terotery

Well it was Thailand at one time.

Interesting

Siem Reap {Sorry about the spelling)

is Cambodian for Siam defeated.

[fenny99]

May be flattening the temple is a good idea , no more bloodshed just flatten the site .Bomb the crap out of it , reduce it to dust . Then there would be no more fighting , cos who wants to fight over a piece of rubble .

What I will add on a serious statement is that the Thai army asked for x ammount for billions of bhat for new tanks and guns ect . What a way to prove you need the money by having a pissing contest with cambodea .

How many generals will have plush hoses built wiyj tank money

[whybother]

Thai Army Will Retaliate And No Longer Talk With Cambodia: Sansern

Title of this topic and demonstrates who is the agressor and who is calling the shots. Be sure its not Abhisit controlling his troops

The title indicates that Cambodia is the aggressor. What's your point?

[kuffki]

It is pretty simple really. Cambodia are complaining to the UN for political purposes. It says nothing about whether they were the aggressor or not.

It would be very easy for Cambodia to push into Thai or disputed territory, and then complain to the UN so that hostilities stop and they don't get pushed out.

Agree, but it does not explain why Thailand has declined help from ASEAN to mediate, or why Thailand declined Cambodian proposal to withdraw troops from both sides to avoid any further military conflict. It also does not explain why Thai military would make a statement of no more talks.

Cambodia can withdraw their troops when ever they like. They don't need UN or ASEAN approval to do that.

I am sorry but thats just trolling now.

Do not mix 2-3 different issues into 1.

Cambodia proposed for both parties to withdraw military from the border. Thailand refused.

Cambodia asked for help from independent organizations. Thailand refused

Cambodia is seeking all means possible to end the conflict. Thailand official position "no more talks with Cambodia"

[bkkjames]

Interesting that both sides are fighting over a Buddhist Temple - ironic.

[whybother]

It is pretty simple really. Cambodia are complaining to the UN for political purposes. It says nothing about whether they were the aggressor or not.

It would be very easy for Cambodia to push into Thai or disputed territory, and then complain to the UN so that hostilities stop and they don't get pushed out.

Agree, but it does not explain why Thailand has declined help from ASEAN to mediate, or why Thailand declined Cambodian proposal to withdraw troops from both sides to avoid any further military conflict. It also does not explain why Thai military would make a statement of no more talks.

Cambodia can withdraw their troops when ever they like. They don't need UN or ASEAN approval to do that.

I am sorry but thats just trolling now.

Do not mix 2-3 different issues into 1.

Cambodia proposed for both parties to withdraw military from the border. Thailand refused.

Cambodia asked for help from independent organizations. Thailand refused

Cambodia is seeking all means possible to end the conflict. Thailand official position "no more talks with Cambodia"

Like I said above "It would be very easy for Cambodia to push into Thai or disputed territory, and then complain to the UN so that hostilities stop and they don't get pushed out."

Why do Cambodia need Thailand to withdraw troops so that they can withdraw troops?

Cambodia is NOT seeking all means possible to end the conflict. They are still fighting.

[geriatrickid]

So now we know what the army thinks.

What does the government think?

What do the thai people think?

The army does not care what anybody thinks.. Coup coming soon

Are you suggesting that the military is encouraging a confrontation to justify a coup on the premise that it is acting to defend the nation?

Interesting theory..,,,

[swillowbee]

So now we know what the army thinks.

What does the government think?

What do the thai people think?

... they don't ... they "feel" ... nice basis for making life-and-death decisions, eh? ... there is scant capacity for critical thinking in Thailand ... they just aren't wired for it.

[bkkjames]

So now we know what the army thinks.

What does the government think?

What do the thai people think?

The army does not care what anybody thinks.. Coup coming soon

Are you suggesting that the military is encouraging a confrontation to justify a coup on the premise that it is acting to defend the nation?

Interesting theory..,,,

If one were to follow Dubya's re-election strategy, one would think an election is more likely than a coup?