Red Shirts Promise Rally Of 'Unprecedented Numbers'

[ianbaggie]

The ordinary people - the working people of bangkok are the real repressed majority - the people in every suburban region of Thailand who never benefitted from Khun T or the current Government - theyre the real hero people of Thailand NOT red shirt thugs who burn and kill or yellow shirts who make a nuisance of them selves occasionally - I wonder how long before these so far silent majority dont want to put up with it any more - if someone would get THEM to rally things would move - oh hang on didnt they wear white shirts once and get called yellow shirts??

[phiphidon]

Have a look at this clip of the yellow shirts building a barricade during the demonstrations to throw out Somchai. Particularly 2 minutes 46 seconds in. Looks like a mighty big "handgun" to me? Not to mention the ping pong bombs and the retired policeman who managed to blow himself up in his own car bomb (though he might just have been transporting explosives for stockpiling for Loy Krathong) . Abhisit went to his funeral to pay his respects.

Do you mean the camera?

Hilarious.

Just shows how desperate red shirts and their organisation are to dig "something/ANYTHING" up on the other side - when there isnt that much to dig up!! Shame they cant do something FOR Thailand instead of AGAINST it

It works both ways mr.baggie, you only have to trawl through some of the posts on this forum to find that out. Did you not see my apology for making a mistake?

[Emptyset]

"They both have paramilitary arms" ??

I know of only one example of yellow shirts having guns, and that was just a hand gun.

What do you mean by "paramilitary arms"?

Grenades perhaps? http://www.nationmul...cs_30088069.php

http://www.nationmul...m-30087978.html

"Phanumart Jaihork, a TNN relay controller, said his pickup truck came under heavy gunfire from People's Alliance for Democracy guards at Don Mueang Airport. The vehicle carried the logos of the company and TV station on its sides and a microwave transmitter in its bed." http://www.nationmul...cs_30089833.php

"Simultaneously a volley of gunfire erupted from the PAD, and at least one pro-government protestor fell immediately, eyewitnesses from the pro-government group said. But Thai media reported that a PAD member had been killed." http://blogs.straits...f-the-thai-tans

"On November 24, 2008, during the PAD rally, the defendants allegedly stole a Route 53 bus at gunpoint and forced its driver to take them to the Government House." http://www.tannetwor...?DataID=1040473

"Two NBT television hosts said in a news television programme at about 6.10am that police found a handgun and long knives from the group." http://bangkokpundit...t-majority.html

"In this showdown PAD has used lethal force and if the police did not use teargas then this situation would have degenerated to hand-to-hand combat. And that, I am sure, would have cost many people their lives, on both sides. PAD had a few handguns, one or two police officers have been stabbed by flag poles." http://jotman.blogsp...ve-blog-of.html

[Emptyset]

Couple more pics for good measure:

[kdc1899]

unprecedented in thai would be a redneck (er,shirt) actually holding a job and not sitting around drinking whiskey while his wife and preteen kids go out and cut sugar and harvest rice.

Is this Hate Week?

no sir

In general, a yellow shirt is a previous red shirt who worked hard enough to earn a yellow shirt. A HiSo Thai is a previous yellow shirt who worked hard enough to be a five percenter.

A redneck ( er, shirt ) is almost always someone (in every country) who, for some bizzare reason, is angry that he/she is "earning" 6,000 baht per month. He/she does not want to work very hard and/or save money to build a future for the future generations. He/she will actually take their kids out of school at age 15 and have them work at some useless job, that will never provide upward mobility, and usually that extra income will just go towards more gambling, lottery and whiskey.

No amount of protests or handouts will break this cycle.

Their duaghters are f-in awsome though.......

Lots of stupid assumptions in this post. Can't you realise that the majority of ordinary Thais are kept down from birth in this rotten system that benefits the ruling elites.

careful.

that system is called a Kingdom.

Whatever lot you're born into you don't have to have kids before you can afford them.

[rubl]

Red and yellows, both have their violent elements. They both have paramilitary arms and have used violence in the past.

Arguing that one is more violent than the other is like arguing which egg is more egg-shaped.

"They both have paramilitary arms" ??

I know of only one example of yellow shirts having guns, and that was just a hand gun.

What do you mean by "paramilitary arms"?

Have a look at this clip of the yellow shirts building a barricade during the demonstrations to throw out Somchai. Particularly 2 minutes 46 seconds in. Looks like a mighty big "handgun" to me? Not to mention the ping pong bombs and the retired policeman who managed to blow himself up in his own car bomb (though he might just have been transporting explosives for stockpiling for Loy Krathong) . Abhisit went to his funeral to pay his respects.

Please don't start this again. The yellow-shirts have way to go in organised violence. No clips on 'burn it down', no 60+ grenade attacks in 2 - 3 months, even helped clean-up the airport before leaving. Bunch of amateurs. Then the red-shirts, para-military wing, real renegade general as advisor, fleeing the country when it get's hot, admirable bunch of 'peaceful protesters'.

Let's get back to the OP "Red shirts promise unprecedented numbers'. One more day for the fun to start really peacefully like all since the last six months. That's what I call progress

[kdc1899]

no sir

In general, a yellow shirt is a previous red shirt who worked hard enough to earn a yellow shirt. A HiSo Thai is a previous yellow shirt who worked hard enough to be a five percenter.

No, I think a yellow shirt is someone born into a family that could afford private schools and university, while a red shirt was born in a village where one teacher had to teach all ages, all subjects, resulting in a lousy education and no university prospects.

A redneck ( er, shirt ) is almost always someone (in every country) who, for some bizzare reason, is angry that he/she is "earning" 6,000 baht per month. He/she does not want to work very hard

Have you ever done field labour? Trust me, it's hard work!

and/or save money to build a future for the future generations.

Yeah, six thousand baht a month and many mouths to feed leaves a lot of surplus for savings.

He/she will actually take their kids out of school at age 15 and have them work at some useless job, that will never provide upward mobility, and usually that extra income will just go towards more gambling, lottery and whiskey.

Or fertilizer. When you have to choose between taking your oldest child from school and putting him/her to work, or feeding your family, what do you do?

No amount of protests or handouts will break this cycle.

Obviously you believe in blaming the victim....

Their duaghters are f-in awsome though.......

and sexual exploitation. But you clearly are not a fan of spell-checking.

No one forces the (unforesightable) to have children before they can afford to properly raise a kid.

Know what I mean?

[phiphidon]

No one forces the (unforesightable) to have children before they can afford to properly raise a kid.

Know what I mean?

Possibly a study of the status of education/sex education here and the fact that abortion is illegal may help your understanding, but off topic.

[kdc1899]

No one forces the (unforesightable) to have children before they can afford to properly raise a kid.

Know what I mean?

Possibly a study of the status of education/sex education here and the fact that abortion is illegal may help your understanding, but off topic.

redshirts are redshirts because they make the ( choice ) to not work hard and work towards making future generations upwardly mobile.

They supposedly are buddhists but all that occupys them is the petty and temporal.

they supposedly love the leader of The Kingdom but they choose to ignore the fact that HRH has already spoken to all this when He allowed His military to oust taksin.

They need to stop blaming folks for their making a prior choice to not plan for life.

[Buchholz]

Have a look at this clip of the yellow shirts building a barricade during the demonstrations to throw out Somchai. Particularly 2 minutes 46 seconds in. Looks like a mighty big "handgun" to me? Not to mention the ping pong bombs and the retired policeman who managed to blow himself up in his own car bomb (though he might just have been transporting explosives for stockpiling for Loy Krathong) . Abhisit went to his funeral to pay his respects.

Please don't start this again. The yellow-shirts have way to go in organised violence. No clips on 'burn it down', no 60+ grenade attacks in 2 - 3 months, even helped clean-up the airport before leaving. Bunch of amateurs. Then the red-shirts, para-military wing, real renegade general as advisor, fleeing the country when it get's hot, admirable bunch of 'peaceful protesters'.

Same, Same... but NOT different...

Arguing that one is more violent than the other is like arguing which egg is more egg-shaped.

Only if one is trying to discount the violence of the historically much more violent Red Shirts.

[Buchholz]

Have a look at this clip of the yellow shirts building a barricade during the demonstrations to throw out Somchai. Particularly 2 minutes 46 seconds in. Looks like a mighty big "handgun" to me? Not to mention the ping pong bombs and the retired policeman who managed to blow himself up in his own car bomb (though he might just have been transporting explosives for stockpiling for Loy Krathong) . Abhisit went to his funeral to pay his respects.

Do you mean the camera?

Hilarious.

Just shows how desperate red shirts and their organisation are to dig "something/ANYTHING" up on the other side - when there isnt that much to dig up!! Shame they cant do something FOR Thailand instead of AGAINST it

Yes, very true.

[phiphidon]

Just shows how desperate red shirts and their organisation are to dig "something/ANYTHING" up on the other side - when there isnt that much to dig up!! Shame they cant do something FOR Thailand instead of AGAINST it

Yes, very true.

This from the man who was questioning Thaksins daughters sexuality, discusses Jaturporns (or was it Arismans, I didn't take much notice) weight and other serious topics.

[Buchholz]

Just shows how desperate red shirts and their organisation are to dig "something/ANYTHING" up on the other side - when there isnt that much to dig up!! Shame they cant do something FOR Thailand instead of AGAINST it

Yes, very true.

This from the man who was questioning Thaksins daughters sexuality, discusses Jaturporns (or was it Arismans, I didn't take much notice) weight and other serious topics.

I've never questioned Thaksin's daughter's sexuality and Arisaman is over-weight and his Mission Impossible-esque hotel escape was humorous because of it.

[Buchholz]

Anyway, in an effort to return to the discussion of this topic, Jatuporn in the other paper is saying that the all-important and historically-significant subject of Ahbisit's citizenship will be a topic at the rally speeches tomorrow, including *gasp, it's earth shattering* a copy of his birth certificate.

He went on to say that Thaksin would not be performing a phone-in for tomorrow's "unprecedented number" of Red Shirt Rally Goers.

[Emptyset]

I could talk to a lot of poor people who have it tough.

But that's not what the protests are about. They are led by rich people to get money for rich people, by using poor people as their pawns.

That's quite a generalization. Not all the red shirt gatherings are organized by the UDD and Thaksin's cronies, you know (even though obviously the biggest ones are). There are regular smaller gatherings with more left-wing red shirts, which include plenty of grassroots poor people. We can safely assume that Thaksin didn't pay these people to attend this lecture given by five prominent Thai political thinkers:

https://picasaweb.go...0Apr_Rem101210#

Or how about the event a couple of weeks ago organized by June 24 group and Students Federation Thailand?

http://deangchiangmai.blogspot.com/2011/01/280111.html

So there clearly are red shirts motivated by ideology and not just by the force of Thaksin's personality (or wallet, as some allege), but these events and splinter groups don't have anywhere near as many participants as the UDD have, though I think they're gaining ground. It's a shame people would rather hear Jatuporn ramble on about nothing, rather than support people who're actually committed to serious political change in Thailand.

Here's an interview in English with Somyot of June 24 group, where he explains their aims and the difference between his group and the UDD:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10KnDhCOipQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HADWNLLfEtY

Edited February 18, 2011 by Emptyset

[whybother]

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So there clearly are red shirts motivated by ideology and not just by the force of Thaksin's personality (or wallet, as some allege), but these events and splinter groups don't have anywhere near as many participants as the UDD have, though I think they're gaining ground. It's a shame people would rather hear Jatuporn ramble on about nothing, rather than support people who're actually committed to serious political change in Thailand.

<snip>

I don't doubt there are red shirts motivated by ideology and not by Thaksin.

Unfortunately, they are tarred with the same brush as the bigger groups that would rather hear Jatuporn ramble on about nothing (or, more often than not, bs).

[Buchholz]

So there clearly are red shirts motivated by ideology and not just by the force of Thaksin's personality

Here's an interview in English with Somyot of June 24 group, where he explains their aims and the difference between his group and the UDD:

Yes, clearly Somyot's position as Editor of such Red Shirt publications as Red News and Voice of Taksin is utilized very much to diminish the importance of the Thaksin factor:

The words read: On occasion of the New Year coming, I would like to thank every red shirt who gives me mental support. I would like to give my support in return to everyone as well, however, I am waiting for the day that I can serve the nation and the people. I want to give back to express my appreciation for your mercy in the year 2010 and hope that everyone will be happy, every one of your wishes is fulfilled forever. Sincere thanks (Lieutenant Pol. Thaksin Shinawatra) January 1, 2010 from Dubai

http://www.2bangkok.com/10/RedPublications1001.shtml

Edited February 18, 2011 by Buchholz

[rubl]

That's quite a generalization. Not all the red shirt gatherings are organized by the UDD and Thaksin's cronies, you know (even though obviously the biggest ones are). There are regular smaller gatherings with more left-wing red shirts, which include plenty of grassroots poor people. We can safely assume that Thaksin didn't pay these people to attend this lecture given by five prominent Thai political thinkers:

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Correct, there are at least six factions I know of. Unfortunately the UDD is the most vocal of the factions and organises protests to 'free our leaders' (i.e. UDD leaders). The protest tomorrow and running till Sunday is organised by the UDD and has the well known topic of 'free our leaders'. Most likely red-shirts of other factions will be present, but their call for 'self-relience, self-entitlement, democracy rather than elites' gets lost in an UDD crowd which only seems to want their leaders freed, k. Thaksin back, etc., etc.

It may be understandable for those other factions to join the UDD protest, but in doing so they get tarred with the same brush. Not fair? I know, but human nature

[Emptyset]

Yes, clearly Somyot's position as Editor of such Red Shirt publications as Red News and Voice of Taksin is utilized very much to diminish the importance of the Thaksin factor:

A good point. I don't know why Somyot is pushing a pro-Thaksin agenda, except as a ploy to get his own ideas heard. Some other relevant news clippings:

"Somyot says some red shirts regard Thaksin as a "saint", but he prefers to see him as a "victim" of the 2006 coup.

That was the event that pushed Somyot, a former labour activist who once denounced Thaksin, solidly into the red-shirt, pro-Thaksin corner."

http://www.nationmul...s-30106223.html

'However, although it has articles by Thaksin, Somyot claimed it would not be as pro-Thaksin as the new Voice of Thaksin. "Voice of Thaksin will be more pro-Thaksin than any other red publications on the market," Somyot said.'

http://www.nationmul...s-30107580.html

Hmm... it's a shame he's promoting Thaksin, but it's clear his agenda goes far beyond him. In an interview with the BKK Post he says he also says he was against Thaksin when he was PM.

"Somyot Pruksakasemsuk has worked for many years as a defender of the working class and poor people's rights. Somyot is the founder of the Centre from Labour Information Services and Training (CLIST) in Bangkok, Thailand, which promotes workers rights, education and training. He encourages freedom and fairness for all workers, campaigning for better conditions and well-being of employees in many industries, and hoping to have them treated as equal human beings."

http://laborrightsbl...ation.html#more

Edited February 18, 2011 by Emptyset

[Rimmer]

One unfounded accusation and a quoted reply removed from view

[Emptyset]

It may be understandable for those other factions to join the UDD protest, but in doing so they get tarred with the same brush. Not fair? I know, but human nature

Are they joining it though?

"Activist Nathee Sornwaree said red splinter groups, including Daeng Siam, would hold separate activities at Wat Pathum Wanaram, coinciding with Saturday's rally.

The activities, including the release of paper birds to oppose violence, will be in memory of those killed at the temple ground last year, he said." http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2011/02/17/national/Red-shirts-promise-rally-of-unprecedented-numbers-30148890.html

[Buchholz]

Yes, clearly Somyot's position as Editor of such Red Shirt publications as Red News and Voice of Taksin is utilized very much to diminish the importance of the Thaksin factor:

A good point. I don't know why Somyot is pushing a pro-Thaksin agenda, except as a ploy to get his own ideas heard. Some other relevant news clippings:

'However, although it has articles by Thaksin, Somyot claimed it would not be as pro-Thaksin as the new Voice of Thaksin. "Voice of Thaksin will be more pro-Thaksin than any other red publications on the market," Somyot said.'

To the best of my knowledge, there has never been a magazine titled, "Voice of Thaksin"... only Somyot's inaccurately transliterated: Voice of Taksin

with its inaccurate assimilations.

[whybother]

It may be understandable for those other factions to join the UDD protest, but in doing so they get tarred with the same brush. Not fair? I know, but human nature

Are they joining it though?

"Activist Nathee Sornwaree said red splinter groups, including Daeng Siam, would hold separate activities at Wat Pathum Wanaram, coinciding with Saturday's rally.

The activities, including the release of paper birds to oppose violence, will be in memory of those killed at the temple ground last year, he said." http://www.nationmul...s-30148890.html

So it's only one of the splinter groups that are going to be "releasing one million paper cranes". I thought they would be struggling if they got their unprecedented 30,000 this weekend, but with just a splinter group doing it ... ummm ....

It actually gets difficult to tell the difference between the splinter groups and the main UDD red shirt group. I hope the splinter group tell the UDD to keep away from their gathering at Ratchaprasong tomorrow.

Edited February 18, 2011 by whybother

[rubl]

It may be understandable for those other factions to join the UDD protest, but in doing so they get tarred with the same brush. Not fair? I know, but human nature

Are they joining it though?

"Activist Nathee Sornwaree said red splinter groups, including Daeng Siam, would hold separate activities at Wat Pathum Wanaram, coinciding with Saturday's rally.

The activities, including the release of paper birds to oppose violence, will be in memory of those killed at the temple ground last year, he said." http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2011/02/17/national/Red-shirts-promise-rally-of-unprecedented-numbers-30148890.html

Correct. Separate activities this time. I wouldn't be surprised though if somehow all will gather at Democracy Monument later on for some 'government bashing' and other fun.

PS some might even want to google a bit. During his show, Glenn Beck contended that the company supports "overthrowing governments," citing Google executive Wael Ghonim 's efforts to stimulate criticism of former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak via social networks.

Edited February 18, 2011 by rubl

[phiphidon]

I've never questioned Thaksin's daughter's sexuality and Arisaman is over-weight and his Mission Impossible-esque hotel escape was humorous because of it.

My mistake, you're right, you never questioned Thaksins daughters sexuality, it was his youngest sister you were talking about;

"Again the child-less bachelor aspect comes up"

- this with respect to Mingkwan - Post 21

"She's a bit easier on the eyes than the other Advisor to the Pheu Thai Party, Potjaman"

- this with respect to Yingluck Shiniwatra - Post 37

I won't even bother with the fainting pictures of Mingkwan or the photo of Thaksin in McDonalds, and that was just on this thread....................

Edited February 18, 2011 by sbk
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[Buchholz]

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Edited February 18, 2011 by Buchholz

[phiphidon]

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More spin than a whirling dervish.....................

[stepenwolf1958]

I think the answer to the following question may be to calm passions. The answer to this question can simplify this whole painful and, in moments, ridiculous discussion. Professional response is needed now and can be an absolute argument for one side or another.

I kindly ask for qualified, serious answer.

I have a question primarily for the worshipers of yellow shirts and Democrats.

But I will accept arguments, substantiated evidence, the response from supporters of the red shirt.

Without intending to influence the response, my view is that the law in this regard, Thailand does not have, that the suspect might be eternally in the status of the suspect. If this is true, then it is a basic violation of human rights. If this is true, then the ruling party has no justification to be called democratic.

So, here it is:

1* How long suspects can be detained?

2* How much time is there a deadline to carry out the suspect to court?

3* Do you have information about Thai law?

***Each country has a time limit as to bring the suspects to court and if this is not done within that time the suspect is released from custody.

***Moreover, if this period is exceeded it must to be paid for damages to the suspect for every day exceeding the limit. No matter what kind of crime. What Thai law says?

[janverbeem]

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More spin than a whirling dervish.....................

Ever seen full metal jacket?

"Is that you John ( Wayne)."

[jdinasia]

I think the answer to the following question may be to calm passions. The answer to this question can simplify this whole painful and, in moments, ridiculous discussion. Professional response is needed now and can be an absolute argument for one side or another.

I kindly ask for qualified, serious answer.

I have a question primarily for the worshipers of yellow shirts and Democrats.

But I will accept arguments, substantiated evidence, the response from supporters of the red shirt.

Without intending to influence the response, my view is that the law in this regard, Thailand does not have, that the suspect might be eternally in the status of the suspect. If this is true, then it is a basic violation of human rights. If this is true, then the ruling party has no justification to be called democratic.

So, here it is:

1* How long suspects can be detained?

2* How much time is there a deadline to carry out the suspect to court?

3* Do you have information about Thai law?

***Each country has a time limit as to bring the suspects to court and if this is not done within that time the suspect is released from custody.

***Moreover, if this period is exceeded it must to be paid for damages to the suspect for every day exceeding the limit. No matter what kind of crime. What Thai law says?

Your argument is flawed. Your country may have habeas corpus laws .... not all countries do.

The detainment of the people suspected of terrorism is periodically reviewed by the courts where they decide to continue the detainment of the suspects or to grant bail or release them.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/19/us/19scotus.html (note US law nor EU laws are applicable in Thailand.)