jazzbo Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 --life starts today ... great ... unless your name is something like 'Joe Smith' maybe you should change that as well ... as stated earlier at least for the USA the canceled passport is valuable ID in case you lose the current one ... but congratulations; you've certainly outsmarted those Thai Embassy lackeys -- at least for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SICHONSTEVE Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Thanks. I need to get new pages in mine but was thinking of just getting a new one since my pic doesn't look like me and I often get questioned if it is really me. It never occurred to me that the number might change and I have used my passport as my official ID # on so many things and entities I work with. I have to assume that since this is common/standard then the databases must somehow reference the old info. I was just thinking in terms of a past visa application to the US we submitted and how it would be less complicated if we didn't bring this up with a different visa application. Does anybody know that if I want to change my UK passport, whether I have to return to the UK to do it or can I have this renewed in Thailand? I've still got time on my hands as it expires in 3 years time but thought I'd just ask while this subject is being discussed. Thanks in advance. Sorry this was a little bit ambiguous. I am just having it renewed and not changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asiawatcher Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 All new passports in all countries come with new numbers. The only time you retain the old number is when they do inserts such as in Thai Passports. Now with 'chip' technology being inserted into passports they will most likely be phasing out extension pages as they want Big Brother able to identify all and sundry under one system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawadeeken Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 For what it's worth.......... I have known of a few people who staple the old one to the back of the new one. It has been perfectfully acceptable and helpful to authorities to search for info they may want from the old one. I believe in a case or two it was done by the issueing embassy possibly for that exact reason. Very interesting question, by the way................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nisa Posted February 20, 2011 Author Share Posted February 20, 2011 For what it's worth.......... I have known of a few people who staple the old one to the back of the new one. It has been perfectfully acceptable and helpful to authorities to search for info they may want from the old one. I believe in a case or two it was done by the issueing embassy possibly for that exact reason. Very interesting question, by the way................ If it was the Thai embassy or immigration ... they just love to staple sh@t together including cash receipts into your passport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PooMik Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 In DK the passport number change to, and so did my thai wifes passnumber when she got a renewal 4 years ago, it is normal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
featography Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Your entry stamp is transferred into your new passport by Immigration and a notation of old passport number, place and date of issue is also made in the new passport. That makes sense. Otherwise we could have a problem with our thai drivers Licenses. (Thai dl # is the passport #) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbuensamaratin Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 When I renew my US passport and my Mexico passports, I request 2 things. One is to continue with the original number. And two, to request the return of the expired passport. Also, someone below over reacted to the US State Department's "Warning". The key word in that so-called warning is the word "normally." If you research things thoroughly, you may just find some surprises. But if you do things "lemming-style", you get what everyone else gets. I don't ascribe to that type of thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 (edited) The place on the DS-64 form where it says 'may not normally bear' is actually in the 'Important Notice' section at the top; the word 'normally' does not appear in the actual 'Warning' section below. The 'normally' refers to persons not normally bearing 2 valid US Passports but it is well documented that persons with extensive overseas travel for valid reasons can have 2 passports such that one can be at a non-US government Embassy for visa obtaining purposes while the other USA passport is being used for current travel. The notion that one might be over-reacting to the WARNING that one should not deliberately lose or mutilate one's US Passport maybe comes from someone who has never before been charged with a felony ... it is not fun even if the charges are later dropped. Much of the discussion on these pages regarding the obtaining of new passports is geared toward having a new passport clean of prior Thai tourist visa stamps so that Thai Immigration officials might overlook the multitude of prior issued stamps ... in these cases having the same number transferred sort of defeats that purpose. ... and whether I get a new Passport number or not when mine expires in 5 years makes no difference to this lemming. Edited February 20, 2011 by jazzbo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Barker Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 The only country I know of that is any different is Spain where at birth you get a number for life, this is your medical number, passport number, social security number, driving license and everything else, actually makes life much easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestro Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Does anybody know that if I want to change my UK passport, whether I have to return to the UK to do it or can I have this renewed in Thailand? I've still got time on my hands as it expires in 3 years time but thought I'd just ask while this subject is being discussed. Thanks in advance. Sorry this was a little bit ambiguous. I am just having it renewed and not changed. "Renewed" is a dangerous word to use because different people use it to mean different things. Will you be applying for an extension of the validity of your current passport? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuyDow Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Does anybody know that if I want to change my UK passport, whether I have to return to the UK to do it or can I have this renewed in Thailand? I've still got time on my hands as it expires in 3 years time but thought I'd just ask while this subject is being discussed. Thanks in advance. When my UK passport was due to expire last year I contacted the British Embassy in Bangkok well in advance to ask if the "unused time" on my old passport could be carried forward into the new one. They categorically stated that this was impossible, all new passports were for ten years and ten years only. Since this policy had changed since I last needed a new passport I got them to confirm this by email, which I still have somewhere. I therefore waited until my old passport only had a month left before I applied for a new one. When I got the new one it was for ten years plus the unexpired month from the old passport. Possibly they have reverted to the old practice but I think you need to contact the British Embassy directly. They are not bad on replying to emails, I've generally had a reply to my email enquiries after two or three days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew55 Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 All new passports in all countries come with new numbers. The only time you retain the old number is when they do inserts such as in Thai Passports. Now with 'chip' technology being inserted into passports they will most likely be phasing out extension pages as they want Big Brother able to identify all and sundry under one system. I don't think that is correct. I believe Singaporeans keep passport number for life and it's the Big Brother state to beat all. I could be wrong(again..). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 BTW according to the latest US State Department statistics (only) about 37% of all Americans hold a currently valid US passport which means that about 63% of all Americans do not much care about other counties' visa protocols one way or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dman Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 It is helpful to keep your old passport if you have visas to other countries. I have a new passport waiting to be picked up at the US embassy. Current pp has 3 years left but is running out of pages and have already had the maximum allowed page inserts. I have active multi-entry visas for both India and China in the old passport, was told by Chinese immigration to bring the old passport with visa (and new one) and will be no problem to enter China. Not sure about India and not sure about current Thai one year visa. Does having your old and new passport help with the following issues. -Does Thai immigration transfer my one year visa from old to new passport? Multi-enty non O issued in the USA by Thai consul in Boston. Expires in May and plan to extend based on retirement ? -Do I need to have my Thai car and motorcycle liscense changed to reflect new pp number? -Do I need to have green books changed for the motorcycles I own ? -Do I need to visit Thai banks ? Thanks for the good info in this thread as my new passport is currently waiting to be picked up in CM consul but was unsure about what I have to do after the new one is issued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mario2008 Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 Immigration never transfers visas to a new passport. Instead when you get a new passport, you must make sure that if they invalidate your old passport they not damage the pages with a valid visa on it. That way the valid visas in an old passport remain valid and can be used in combination with your new passport. The old passports shows your visa and permission to stay will be stamped into the new passport. When you get a new passport while staying in Thailand you do need to go to immigration, to transfer the details of your old passport to the new passport. That includes a change of passport number in the file immigration has on you and your permission to stay. But as above, the visa itself is not transferred and as long as it is valid you keep using the old passport to show a valid visa till expired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lopburi3 Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 Immigration does not transfer visas. In your case only a notation of previous passport and current permitted to stay stamp would be entered into the new passport. Visa is still good in old passport but you will have to show both. I would not bother with bank accounts - they will change when you obtain a new passbook. As for driving license mine is from 41 years ago and have never updated anything and never been questioned on it. Suspect doing at renewal time would be enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 So if one waits until the last entry on an existing Thai visa in a current passport has been utilized, and one then exits Thailand and applies for a new US or other country passport while in another country EX-Thailand (i.e. PDR Lao or Singapore), then there will no need to have any indication in the newly issued passport that one has ever actually made any visits into the Kingdom of Thailand... if that is, of course, one's desire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mario2008 Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 You are not only identified by your passport number, but also by things such as name, date of birth, place of birth and picture. I would be surprised if immigration would not also use face recognition software. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancelot Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 I would not bother with bank accounts - they will change when you obtain a new passbook. The last time I needed some thing from my thai bank, the officer noticed that my passport number had changed and she noted it on my account, no hassel at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Croc Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 So if one waits until the last entry on an existing Thai visa in a current passport has been utilized, and one then exits Thailand and applies for a new US or other country passport while in another country EX-Thailand (i.e. PDR Lao or Singapore), then there will no need to have any indication in the newly issued passport that one has ever actually made any visits into the Kingdom of Thailand... if that is, of course, one's desire. I'm not sure of the extent of computer records of travellers movements used in Thailand, but this wouldn't work in western countries. Movement data bases are very comprehensive and match up using PP numbers, name and dob, or even, as someone said, facial recognition. A scan of the machine readable strip on the bottom of the details page is all that is needed to match all records, and create a new one. Data from new passports issued are downloaded into Immigration computers instantly, and lost or replaced Passports are cancelled in the system at the same time.(In case someone else tries to use them) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lopburi3 Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 It is my understanding from reports that Thailand has access to the US data base because of the terrorist threat and uses it so there will be a lot more information available than just passport numbers if they care to use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robby nz Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 When I got my new NZ passport a coulne of months back I was told to destroy the old one. Done sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elliss Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 New passport for any reason passport numbers change. correct, you can rest assured, that your previous passport activity is on file . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 Oh give me a break ... I repeat: then there will no need to have any indication in the newly issued passport that one has ever actually made any visits into the Kingdom of Thailand... if that is, of course, one's desire. That was for all those persons who want to remain in Thailand everlasting based on successive tourist visas and think it helps to get a new passport to wipe the slate clean of previous stamps What is not known -- in addition to the supercomputer data mining match-ups, INTERPOL face recognition profiles and fingerprints -- is that the US State Department has a squad of hidden Kalahari Bushmen blowgun experts who shoot an RFID micro-chip into the buttocks of persons waiting in the non-US citizen immigration line at all major arrival airports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david555 Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 Oh give me a break ... I repeat: then there will no need to have any indication in the newly issued passport that one has ever actually made any visits into the Kingdom of Thailand... if that is, of course, one's desire. That was for all those persons who want to remain in Thailand everlasting based on successive tourist visas and think it helps to get a new passport to wipe the slate clean of previous stamps What is not known -- in addition to the supercomputer data mining match-ups, INTERPOL face recognition profiles and fingerprints -- is that the US State Department has a squad of hidden Kalahari Bushmen blowgun experts who shoot an RFID micro-chip into the buttocks of persons waiting in the non-US citizen immigration line at all major arrival airports. not in my buttocks but in my passport last cover there is a RFID micro-chip into it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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