pedro01 Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Geiger counter off the scale 60km from Tokyo (yesterday) http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-573238 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopperboy Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 French Industry Minister Eric Besson said: "Let's not beat about the bush. They have lost control of the situation." And French nuclear safety boss Thierry Charles said: "The next 48 hours will be decisive. I am pessimistic." Victor Gilinsky, former US Nuclear Regulatory Commission member, added: "The actual radiation releases could approach that category of Chernobyl." Dr Thomas Neff, an American-based physicist and uranium-industry analyst, agreed - describing the Fukushima crisis as a "slow-moving nightmare". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfchandler Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 I'm really curious.. how does cigarette smoking create radiation exposure by the smoker??? For accuracy, will use a legitimate source rather than guess. Enviornmental Protection Agency WOWOW... Thanks Tywais... I never knew... Of course, I knew smoking contributed to lung cancer... But I never knew thru radiation... OK... That's the last comment from me on smoking/radiation... Was just so surprised to see that info, 80 millisievert per year, in the LA Times graphic... :jap: Back to... water coming SOON! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfchandler Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Here's today's Japanese govt. radiation readings chart... Nothing too alarming here.. I believe.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfchandler Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 (edited) NHK 7 pm evening news leads with helicopter water dropping... Shows a very grim looking Prime Minister Kan. Report seems to confirm that only Reactor #3 was the target of the morning air water drops... Scarce mention of the water truck spraying...due to start "soon." Edited March 17, 2011 by jfchandler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopperboy Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 According to this report the team of 50 can only work for 15 minutes at a time to minimise their radiation exposure. If the levels rise it could be the case that they can't even stay that long. http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3473226/Nuclear-nightmare-in-Japan-worsens.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkkjames Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Like john, I am going to take a break - can someone please pm when and if they manage to start putting some water on any of the reactors- I am no longer fussy as to which one- but I would choose 3,4,2 and 1 in that order if I could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atsiii Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 So... I'm old and stupid, can someone help me understand how they are now predicting a "massive blackout" tonight in Tokyo in addition to the already planned rolling blackouts as a result of the non-producing Fukushima units? Forecast temps are not changing drastically for Tokyo. What are they expecting to happen tonight? Does it have anything to do with the fact that none of us have seen the results of the US overfly? Or the pumping that will be starting any minute? So this is just business as usual? "oh, yea, we're running a bit late, but we will start pumping any time now." It reminds me of walking along in the jungle that is so full of life and sounds and noise, then suddenly it would go deathly silent... no pun intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdietz Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Still getting 'you don't have permission' on all downloads, no idea why. But the readings here http://www.bousai.ne.jp/eng/ seem all a bit lower again than yesterday, and most are around background level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crushdepth Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 (edited) French Industry Minister Eric Besson said: "Let's not beat about the bush. They have lost control of the situation." Pity the Japanese authorities have been unable to come up with similarly pithy summaries. If they have truly lost it then they should say so and start dealing with what will follow. Edited March 17, 2011 by Crushdepth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfchandler Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 (edited) NHK showing aerial images of the reactors... I placed the numbers in red, hopefully identifying the correct reactors. NHK says these photos were taken via satellite last Tuesday. Edited March 17, 2011 by jfchandler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkkjames Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 French Industry Minister Eric Besson said: "Let's not beat about the bush. They have lost control of the situation." Pity the Japanese authorities have been unable to come up with similarly pithy summaries. If they have truly lost it then they should say so and start dealing with what will follow. Like: "let's not beat around the bush-we have never had control of this situation" A bit harsh and surely a dis-service to the fukushima 50 (300), but fairly accurate in hindsight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfchandler Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 So... I'm old and stupid, can someone help me understand how they are now predicting a "massive blackout" tonight in Tokyo in addition to the already planned rolling blackouts as a result of the non-producing Fukushima units? Forecast temps are not changing drastically for Tokyo. What are they expecting to happen tonight? Does it have anything to do with the fact that none of us have seen the results of the US overfly? Or the pumping that will be starting any minute? From the reports I've read, the actual power usage yesterday and today has been running above predicted levels, and is headed toward exceeding their system capacity during the early evening hours of peak use... So I think the govt. was warning of the possibility of a blackout, if they couldn't manage to trim the load on their Tokyo area power system... Where I come from, no utility would ever allow that kind of thing to occur. They'd automatically shut down or brown out pre-selected areas in order to avoid having a catastrophic failure of their grid network, before it ever could happen. Just as a reminder to others, the Fukushima nuclear plants, prior to the earthquake, were a significant power supplier to the Tokyo area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crushdepth Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 (edited) Here's a fuller quote of what the French Industry Minister said (yesterday): "Let's not beat about the bush. They have visibly lost the essential of control (of the situation). That is our analysis, in any case, it's not what they are saying," Besson told BFM television. - Reuters Edited March 17, 2011 by Crushdepth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atsiii Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 French Industry Minister Eric Besson said: "Let's not beat about the bush. They have lost control of the situation." Pity the Japanese authorities have been unable to come up with similarly pithy summaries. If they have truly lost it then they should say so and start dealing with what will follow. Welcome to Asian honorific culture; where saving face is paramount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atsiii Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Here's a fuller quote of what the French Industry Minister said: "Let's not beat about the bush. They have visibly lost the essential of control (of the situation). That is our analysis, in any case, it's not what they are saying," Besson told BFM television. - Reuters Excuse me, but this was yesterday. Not current. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkkjames Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 You must be from the west coast John? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfchandler Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Despite all the technology at their disposal, Japanese TV always loves to do mockup models and graphics... NHK just ran a report on how the coming soon truck water spraying would occur, quoting a senior police official. Says the truck will be stationed about 50 meters away from the number 3 reactor, and then rotating two man crews will staff the truck (or trucks), so no single crew is staying there too long. If I'm catching this right, they're saying the police truck can spray about 4 tons of water in about one minute... and then needs to be refilled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfchandler Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Yup... We don't do things East Coast style... You must be from the west coast John? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopperboy Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Reading the CNN reporters Bicron Geiger counter, its off the scale beyond the maximum 2.0 mR/h and on the other scale 2400cpm (clicks per min). He says he is 60-70Km due west and was told to flee the area if this happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkkjames Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Here's a fuller quote of what the French Industry Minister said: "Let's not beat about the bush. They have visibly lost the essential of control (of the situation). That is our analysis, in any case, it's not what they are saying," Besson told BFM television. - Reuters Excuse me, but this was yesterday. Not current. You think things have improved since yesterday??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfchandler Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 (edited) OOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH NHK reporting police not able to reach their target with the water cannon due to high radiation, and now have fallen back!!!! James??? James??? Where are you James??? Edited March 17, 2011 by jfchandler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulianLS Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Still getting 'you don't have permission' on all downloads, no idea why. But the readings here http://www.bousai.ne.jp/eng/ seem all a bit lower again than yesterday, and most are around background level. Ditto re no permission. Maybe the uploaders need to change the permissions on their own galleries? I don't know.... But if you look at the number of downloads, it implies that no-one can view any attached pictures. Take for example jfchandlers post #1279, there is only one download of the image PS0051.jpg till now. Which I guess was the OP checking the link himself. If others could access it, then surely there would be more downloads? Guys, can you post links to images please rather than upload them to the site? Or alternatively, post the original link in addition to the upload? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopperboy Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Here's a fuller quote of what the French Industry Minister said: "Let's not beat about the bush. They have visibly lost the essential of control (of the situation). That is our analysis, in any case, it's not what they are saying," Besson told BFM television. - Reuters Excuse me, but this was yesterday. Not current. You think things have improved since yesterday??? Yep, and they're gona get a whole lot better tomorrow.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfchandler Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 (edited) NHK airing report on large evacuation shelter, saying they've only had two hot meals (as opposed to not hot food) in the past week. Says many suffering from flu and stomach problems. Running short of drinking water. U.S. military transport delivers JSDF supply trucks to Aomori port. Cabbages selling in Sendai open air market for 500 yen apiece. Edited March 17, 2011 by jfchandler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elcent Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Still getting 'you don't have permission' on all downloads, no idea why. But the readings here http://www.bousai.ne.jp/eng/ seem all a bit lower again than yesterday, and most are around background level. Ditto re no permission. Maybe the uploaders need to change the permissions on their own galleries? I don't know.... But if you look at the number of downloads, it implies that no-one can view any attached pictures. Take for example jfchandlers post #1279, there is only one download of the image PS0051.jpg till now. Which I guess was the OP checking the link himself. If others could access it, then surely there would be more downloads? Guys, can you post links to images please rather than upload them to the site? Or alternatively, post the original link in addition to the upload? Thanks. It's best and fastest when you copy the image from a site and then just paste it here. It works for most images very well and saves a lot of time. If it doesn't work at all, try to change your browser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atsiii Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 OOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH NHK reporting police not able to reach their target with the water cannon due to high radiation, and now have fallen back!!!! James??? James??? Where are you James??? JF... can you clarify? So... are you telling us why it is too quiet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfchandler Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Are you guys saying you can't access the radiation test results screen capture jpg I posted?? I checked it after posting, and was able to view it fine... What about the other recent jpgs I've posted from the NHK News broadcast? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarpSpeed Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 (edited) Here's a fuller quote of what the French Industry Minister said (yesterday): "Let's not beat about the bush. They have visibly lost the essential of control (of the situation). That is our analysis, in any case, it's not what they are saying," Besson told BFM television. - Reuters Gee it's ok when some "official" says something to this effect but when it comes from not so "official" sources (at least as for all you know)it's just conspiracy theories? Seem to recall some time back mentioning that this was not transparent and being whitewashed and then being lambasted for that obviously prophetic comment .. Edited March 17, 2011 by WarpSpeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfchandler Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 I thought I was pretty clear... The police have retreated due to high radiation levels... Scratch the water cannon truck/s -- at least for now. Now what??? OOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH NHK reporting police not able to reach their target with the water cannon due to high radiation, and now have fallen back!!!! James??? James??? Where are you James??? JF... can you clarify? So... are you telling us why it is too quiet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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