Anon999 Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 If Abhist did not order the killings, who did? was abhisit in control or not? Did someone follow his orders or disobey his orders? If he did not give the order who took it upon themselves to give the order? In this matter the PM was in charge, he either admits he gave the decision, or he admits he was not in control of the situation, if he handed control to the army then let him say who in the armed forces gave the order, and what was the order? Let's have some transparency here. As for the centralworld issue, I am guessing none of us were actually in centralworld at the time so none of us are in a position to offer a factual decision on that matter. I said before and I will say it again, at some point the dems will have themselves painted into a corner with their lies and will be left with nowhere to go other than to admit the truth or end up looking very foolish, lies and diversions soon get found out and leave the individual or group of individuals looking like what they are, liars. Sounds very much like you're trying to justify the abhorrent rantings this post has been roundly condemning. Packed with innuendo and lacking any concrete evidence to support the claims. If the speaker was trying that line of argument in the British parliament then he would not have been allowed to proceed unchallenged by Mr Speaker. I wonder what your agenda is or do we really need to ask? Maybe you would be better occupied on a soapbox with said MP next time he is rousing the red shirts to rebel against the government. However, I do agree with one of your comments, "I am guessing none of us were actually in centralworld at the time so none of us are in a position to offer a factual decision on that matter." Unless you admit to being directly involved with the Red Shirts then you are guessing period. Furthermore your opening question is ludicrous and could only come from someone who lacks the background of living in a country where democracy is controlled through the ballot box. Your understanding of the "politics" of the previous government appears to be soundly lacking too or perhaps you suffer from having a short term memory. Unless of course you endorse what was more appropriate to a dictatorship or communist controlled state in many ways. Thailand needs to move, albeit very slowly, to a proper democratic society and it certainly will not by reverting to the previous ways of government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadman Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Err....okay. How about this. Thaksin is the devil incarnate. Redshirts are mindless idiots. PTP wants to destroy the nation. UDD are terrorists. Is that more to everyone's liking? Byeeeeee..... Not to my liking at all, but it is the reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brahmburgers Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 Is Purachai still around? He was the one who, with Thaksin hand in hand, decided to rid Thailand of sex venues. Well, the succeeded somewhat in little outlying provinces, but of course they couldn't make a dent in the mecca centers of sex-for-sale, namely; Bkk, Phuket, Pattaya. Purachai would rail against farang being the core of all Thailand's problems, then promptly bought property in New Zealand where he hides away most of the time. Who's the bigger hypocrite: Jatupon, Thaksin or Purachai - ....you be the judge. Any one of them, anywhere near a position of political power in Thailand - is trouble with a capital T. You have to blame Thai voters, at least to some degree - for being so totally duped, paid-for, and suckered but such a bunch of problematic people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammered Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 There is an election coming and firing up the division and hatred serves Jatuporns side right now. The government are stressing election and reconcilliation as that suits their meme, The other lot have to attack that notion and create a meme of division way beyond what actually exists. Boring and predictable actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted March 19, 2011 Author Share Posted March 19, 2011 Related topic: AFP: Thai PM Abhisit wins no-confidence vote: speaker Follow this link: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregb Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 Err....okay. How about this. Thaksin is the devil incarnate. Redshirts are mindless idiots. PTP wants to destroy the nation. UDD are terrorists. Is that more to everyone's liking? Byeeeeee..... Thaksin is not the devil incarnate. His inflated ego may make him think he is, but really he is just an unimportant minion doing the devil's work. The rest of it is spot on. I wish it wasn't, but you can't ignore the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAWP Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 What Jutaporn and some propaganda-posters that also visit this forum fail to realize when they claim that 'soldiers fired indiscriminately at protesters' etc, is that if that was indeed true then many-many more would be dead. Case in point: A bunch of gunmen started firing into protesters in Yemen yesterday, result: 45 dead, 300 wounded -- in one single incident! http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704608504576208291250151486.html That is equal to half the dead that died, on both sides combined, during the whole clash last year in Bangkok. One incident. 45 dead. That is how *real* indiscriminate firing upon protesters look like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 Err....okay. How about this. Thaksin is the devil incarnate. Redshirts are mindless idiots. PTP wants to destroy the nation. UDD are terrorists. Spot on mate! Best post ever! If anyone wants to know the truth about the situation beyond the Amsterdam red terrorist propaganda, I'll simply refer them to this post! Well done for seeing through the Thaksin-sponsored lies. Ah, so you two are finally getting it! Good to see! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 What Jutaporn and some propaganda-posters that also visit this forum fail to realize when they claim that 'soldiers fired indiscriminately at protesters' etc, is that if that was indeed true then many-many more would be dead. Case in point: A bunch of gunmen started firing into protesters in Yemen yesterday, result: 45 dead, 300 wounded -- in one single incident! http://online.wsj.co...1250151486.html That is equal to half the dead that died, on both sides combined, during the whole clash last year in Bangkok. One incident. 45 dead. That is how *real* indiscriminate firing upon protesters look like. Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 There is an election coming and firing up the division and hatred serves Jatuporns side right now. The government are stressing election and reconcilliation as that suits their meme, The other lot have to attack that notion and create a meme of division way beyond what actually exists. Boring and predictable actually. Concur. It is important right now for PTP/UDD to dirty up the Dems in any way possible, and during a censure debate they have more protection whilst doing it. When they try it from the stage it'll land them in court. Now the redshirt cable channels can repeat the messages ad nauseam as protected speech from parliament and not be held accountable for any inaccuracies. Food for the mushrooms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 Incidentally, an ABAC poll released today of who people would like to see as PM, if not Abhisit: Purachai: 41.2% (for) 58.8% (against) Khunying Sudarat 38.4% Chuan Leekpai 38.4% Korn Chatikavanij 35.2% Mingkwan Sangsuwan 34.7% Somkid Jatusripitak 32.7% And not forgetting: Newin 20.8% (for) 79.2% (against) Suthep 15.1 84.9 The respondents were asked for their opinions regarding an appropriate contender to compete with incumbent Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva. The poll is now a separate topic here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToffeEFCpower Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 The PM and Suthep are guilty. Guilty of allowing the red shirts into Bangkok in the first place, and consequently should be punished. I suggest 10 slaps on the wrist to both of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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