DavidOxon Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 Hi I hear from a reliable source that 4 farang musicians were arrested by immigration police in Chiang Mai last night for playing music in public without a permit. Including the bar owner who, though he has a WP, was arrested for allowing the others to play in his bar. Sad and sobering times... David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjclark1 Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 which bar? CU Corner or Guitar man? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appropriate Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 Sad and sobering times... For people working illegally, and hiring illegal workers illegally? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
venturalaw Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 That is sad. Never thought of it but under Thai law technically they are in violation even if entertaining for free. Wish there was some hope that the WP law could be revised, but there really is zero chance of that ever happening soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjclark1 Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 Sad and sobering times... For people working illegally, and hiring illegal workers illegally? The 2 bars I mentioned, there is no payment, not even free drinks. They play for free because it's a hobby .... not a job. Nobody would be hired in their place if they didn't play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daoyai Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 Sad and sobering times... For people working illegally, and hiring illegal workers illegally? For people who want to get together to play some music. For art and creativity, For freedom of expression, yes, sad and sobering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JezQ Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 It's very silly. This is for fun, like a game of pool, or Karaoke (the innocent kind). Someone needs to explain this to immigration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pillion Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 It's very silly. This is for fun, like a game of pool, or Karaoke (the innocent kind). Someone needs to explain this to immigration. They must have sounded terrible then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidOxon Posted March 24, 2011 Author Share Posted March 24, 2011 which bar? CU Corner or Guitar man? I heard Guitar man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaRanter Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 That why I dont sing at karaoke bars. You never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uptheos Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 (edited) Entertaining for free to give people pleasure? How dare they be so wicked....."off with their heads" I just don't know what's happening to Chiang Mai - next thing we'll hear about is that farang's are helping old ladies across the road for free.......absolutely outrageous? TIT. Edited March 24, 2011 by uptheos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beetlejuice Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 Disgusting! No wonder tourism is down in Thailand. Next it will be a farang given 2 years in prisonment for singing in the bath or farting in a public lavatory. Hearing news like this sometimes makes me think whether it is worth living in Thailand at all. Careful out there, big brother is watching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cm das Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 If true this wouldn't be the first time that foreign musicians got busted for performing at Guitar Man. Meanwhile, in many years in the music scene here I've yet to hear of this kind of trouble at another venue. So for now I'd say this sounds like a crackdown on a particular place, not on the scene in general. And who said there was freedom of expression around here anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaRanter Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 Last I was back home, at a bar that had live band, the whole of the Hungarian embassy jumped on stage to perform when the band took a recces. But I guess they have diplomatic immunity and their ABBA rendition was horrible. they only got Hotel California half right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rizla Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 American John one of them?? and what will happen to them. fine deport etc? any update Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 While I am not happy about it, it has never been a secret that it is against the law to do even volunteer work in Thailand for free. Being arrested really should not come as a big surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB1955 Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 Sounds like a great excuse to make the Mrs take control of the broom and sweep the street while I watch from inside, as long as thats not considered surpervison . With my wife I dont think I would need to worry . I could defend that one easy .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiangMaiFun Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 Jeeze... that's bad news - so all the 'open mic' type stuff has to stop? sounds more like singing Beatles stuff in 60s Moscow than a few tunes in Chiang Mai - hope they get off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semper Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 It's very silly. This is for fun, like a game of pool, or Karaoke (the innocent kind). Someone needs to explain this to immigration. Not free for the owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JezQ Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 The whole point is that it's not WORKING it's a LEISURE activity, like I said, playing pool, having a sing song, karaoke, taking photographs, or painting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotlost Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 Some body forgot to pay the tea money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMSteve Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 American John? do you have anything more to go on? American John one of them?? and what will happen to them. fine deport etc? any update Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semper Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 Some body forgot to pay the tea money. That was my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doppa Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 Disgusting! No wonder tourism is down in Thailand. Next it will be a farang given 2 years in prisonment for singing in the bath or farting in a public lavatory. Hearing news like this sometimes makes me think whether it is worth living in Thailand at all. Careful out there, big brother is watching. careful here too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doppa Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 have witnessed first hand, the same sad experience in phuket, but as someone has already stated whether its for fun, free etc, it's just not worth the risk, i guess technically if you were to start painting your house, inside or out, the same scenario applies, you're depriving thais work, so where do you draw the line, immigration should stipulate what you can and can't do under current thai law, then it's up to us to consider the risks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eek Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 Hope it will get resolved fast without repercussions for the musicians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWalkingMan Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 Pathetic. With all the "things" that go on in Thailand, the powers that be choose this to tackle? Surely they have more productive things to do. TheWalkingMan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotlost Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 The BIB have been going about the LK area holding meetings with bars saying that that an increase in tea money would help them to look the other way. they are to meat with a certain group at a certain boxing venue tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiangmaiexpat Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 I am a (hobby) musician myself and I find this very deplorable. Will try to stay away from public jam sessions. Hopefully this will be resolved amicably. Cheers, CMX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
venturalaw Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 (edited) have witnessed first hand, the same sad experience in phuket, but as someone has already stated whether its for fun, free etc, it's just not worth the risk, i guess technically if you were to start painting your house, inside or out, the same scenario applies, you're depriving thais work, so where do you draw the line, immigration should stipulate what you can and can't do under current thai law, then it's up to us to consider the risks. Painting YOUR OWN house would not be a problem. Painting someone else's house (even for free) would be a violation. Definition: “ Work ” means to engage in work by exerting energy or using knowledge whether or not in consideration of wages or other benefits. http://eng.mol.go.th/doe_service01.html Edited March 24, 2011 by venturalaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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