Bangkok Pharmacy (Clenbuterol)

[Lumen]

hi. does anyone know about a pharmacy that sells clenbuterol in Bangkok? I have been to a few, but no luck yet.

[LordPoona]

try any independent pharmacy in nana or silom.

[Lumen]

hm, im pretty sure the ones i tried were independent,. am i one a wild goose chase or is it just a mather of trying enough places?

[Robby nz]

Try the hospital supply shops just down the road from Victory monument.

They seem to have a good supply of just about everything.

[Sheryl]

No brands of this drug licensed for use in Thailand at present

[Lumen]

ok. thanks alot for the answers.

[robblok]

I buy them at the corner of soi 4. They always have them. nana that is

Edited April 4, 2011 by robblok

[aussiebebe]

All the Clen sold in pharamcies in that area, adjacent to Nana plaza, are from underground (unlicenced) labs. Commonly sold is LA Pharma (they have an Italian website with disclaimer) who are unlicenced to sell in Italy and commonly sell in Thailand. Many have reported good results on various internet forums so the Clen probably does contain a generic form of the activie ingredient, albeit of dubious quality. You could of course be double-scammed with a made-in-Thailand LA Pharma clone! A fake of a fake.

[robblok]

double

Edited April 4, 2011 by robblok

[robblok]

All the Clen sold in pharamcies in that area, adjacent to Nana plaza, are from underground (unlicenced) labs. Commonly sold is LA Pharma (they have an Italian website with disclaimer) who are unlicenced to sell in Italy and commonly sell in Thailand. Many have reported good results on various internet forums so the Clen probably does contain a generic form of the activie ingredient, albeit of dubious quality. You could of course be double-scammed with a made-in-Thailand LA Pharma clone! A fake of a fake.

Good to know i never knew it. I do know this is clen it does what clen is supposed to do and you get the cramps if you take too much. Though that can be remedied with taurine and magnesium.

If your right then Sheryl is also right. I always have faith in her knowledge.

[Lumen]

thanks a bunch for all the info. i really apreciate it, although i do have one last question. whats the legal status of this thing? if im risking a trip to the bangkok hilton then its not really worth it if you know what i mean.

[robblok]

thanks a bunch for all the info. i really apreciate it, although i do have one last question. whats the legal status of this thing? if im risking a trip to the bangkok hilton then its not really worth it if you know what i mean.

Its illegal if you don't have a prescription. But i doubt your risking a trip to the Bangkok Hilton.

[aussiebebe]

thanks a bunch for all the info. i really apreciate it, although i do have one last question. whats the legal status of this thing? if im risking a trip to the bangkok hilton then its not really worth it if you know what i mean.

Its illegal if you don't have a prescription. But i doubt your risking a trip to the Bangkok Hilton.

I agree it's illegal to buy or sell real medicine without a prescription, but Thai law makes no provision for fakes. If you are interested about legal isses, you can use any internet search engine to find out more about Redicat. Two guys ran it out of their Pattaya house for years until the Thai police arrested them, confiscated their assets and facilitated their extradition them to the US. Redicat's selling point was roids in paper form as the late Dan Duchaine envisaged to avoid detection, but they shipped vials, pills and clen too. The articles you can find online quote the Police as saying the pair faced no charges in Thailand related to buying, holding or shipping these substances.

If you want more info about fake medicine, I suggest Anabolics 2010, which you could buy or download for free as a zip torrent from various internet sites. Thai law isn't partcularly clear about electronic copyright violation either. A good source of more legal informaton is a published book 'Thai Law for Foreigners' avaliable from Asia Books, which you could buy or.......

[Shurup]

Clen users should be aware of the latest research and findings. Please pay clother attention to the second part of the article.

Clenbuterol is a beta-2 adrenal agonist drug, which means it has a structure similar to the natural catecholamine hormones in the body, such as epinephrine. The primary medical uses for clenbuterol are for treatment of asthma and other respiratory diseases. Clenbuterol assists in respiration because, like epinephrine, it promotes dilation of the bronchial tubes in the lungs. Asthma is characterized by constriction and inflammation of the bronchial tubes.

Clenbuterol, however, has never been approved for sale in the United States for use by people. Drug companies are most interested in profit, and clenbuterol offers no particular medical advantages over existing beta-2 asthma drugs. Clenbuterol does have notable disadvantages, however. It has a long half-life, remaining active in the body for up to 36 hours. While that sounds good, it also increases the likelihood of serious side effects, thus making it less attractive to litigation-wary pharmaceutical companies. In contrast, the body degrades and eliminates the current leading beta-2 agonist drug sold in the U.S. after only about six hours.

Clenbuterol is sold in other countries, chiefly by Mexican pharmacies, under various trade names, such as Clenasma, Spiropent and the veterinary injectable Ventipulmin. It first attracted the attention of bodybuilders years ago after animal research showed that it offered potent repartitioning effects—it appeared to decrease bodyfat while simultaneously fostering increased muscle size, particularly in the type 2 fast-twitch fibers, the fibers most amenable to hypertrophy from weight training.

Those animal studies, however, typically used dosages in the one-to-five-milligram-per-kilogram-of-bodyweight range. That amounts to a daily dose of 450 milligrams of clenbuterol in a 200-pound athlete. For human use clenbuterol comes in microgram amounts. One thousand micrograms equal one milligram.

Despite those discrepancies, clenbuterol quickly earned a reputation as an anabolic and “cutting” drug, favored in precontest cycles, and athletes who tried it soon discovered two things: 1) Its effects didn’t last more than three to four weeks, since beta-adrenergic receptors are extremely sensitive and turn off, or downregulate, rapidly; and 2) it provided no discernible anabolic effect. It did, however, provide a potent thermogenic effect conducive to fat oxidation. You could tell the thermogenic properties were working by the perception of increased body heat.

The most common suggested clenbuterol dosage was one to two tablets a day, gradually increasing to eight to 10 per day. To extend its therapeutic potency and blunt down-regulation of beta-adrenergic receptors, users were advised to take the drug on a two-days-on/one-day-off cycle; however, it was never proven scientifically that the off-and-on cycle offered any real advantages.

The same holds true for another drug, ketotifen, said to help maintain the potency of beta receptors. Whatever benefits ketotifen confer on open beta receptors come at a price. Ketotifen is an antihistamine, which can cause acute drowsiness—not exactly conducive to intense training. What of side effects? Taking too much clenbuterol has the same effect as a flood of epinephrine in your body. Symptoms include increased blood pressure, possible heart-rhythm disturbances, muscle tremor and insomnia. In Europe clenbuterol was used in meat processing, and some who ate the drug-laden beef experienced the same side effects.

More recent animal studies—again using far higher doses than would ever be ingested by humans—showed that clenbuterol decreases endurance by degrading the heart structure. Indeed, some of the research animals died from heart failure. A recent study that examined the heart and skeletal muscles of rats given clenbuterol identified direct toxic effects from the drug.1 What’s particularly interesting about that study is that the bad effects resulted from just a single dose of injectable clenbuterol—a form favored by some bodybuilders and other athletes.

The results showed that clenbuterol didn’t just harm heart-muscle cells but actually killed them. Heart-muscle-cell loss led to increased collagen deposition. In effect, active heart cells were replaced by scar tissue, setting the stage for sudden heart failure.

Several theories explain clenbuterol’s adverse effects. The first involves the fact that clenbuterol depletes the amino acid taurine in the heart; taurine has protective properties, such as modulating the calcium levels that keep heart rhythm stable. Clenbuterol may also increase norepinephrine-induced stimulation of the heart, which can damage the heart if excessive.

You may reason that the research animals got megadoses of clenbuterol and that the lesser doses athletes use wouldn’t have the same effects—but that’s just wishful thinking. According to something called Kleiber’s law, the animal dose of clenbuterol is equal to a human dose of five to six tablets. So the same side effects could be expected. In addition, because of the extended time that clenbuterol takes to degrade in the body, it could build up and have cumulative effects.

The findings of heart damage from clenbuterol could partly explain the mysterious deaths of a few bodybuilders who combined clen with anabolic steroids. That is, of course, pure speculation. Athletes who use clenbuterol should ensure that they also supplement taurine, which may offer some heart protection.

Other studies send further grim news about clenbuterol.2,3 When it was given to pigs, the portion of the testes that synthesizes testosterone (Leydig cells) increased in size, suggesting increased testosterone production. But the testes cells where sperm is manufactured (Sertoli cells) were permanently damaged. That implies that clenbuterol may adversely affect fertility.

The increase in the cells that secrete testosterone isn’t that surprising. Natural catecholamines like epinephrine, for which clenbuterol serves as a synthetic substitute to some degree, are known to promote testosterone synthesis. Short-term stress, characterized by increased catecholamine release into the blood, leads to upgraded testosterone. But if the stress persists, other stress hormones, such as cortisol, are released and reverse that effect—that is, decrease testosterone synthesis and release.

[Shurup]

Some pharmas nearby big gyms like California WOW, or the one one on the corner of Nana on Sukhumvit 4 have big selection of meds. However if you want Clen for the purpose of cutting fat, look elsewhere... If that is your reason, try cleaning up your diet first and do some cardio and weight lifting. If that is not enough, there is a Cytomel (T3) which is a thyroid hormone. Taking it will send your metabolism through the roof and you will burn calories like a nuclear furnace (if you can control your apetite as it will go through the roof as well). BUT, there is a big BUT. T3 can seriously hurt you or even kill you if you don't know how to take it, how much to take it or how long to take it. Even though I provided information, I do not recomment taking it especially if you are a newbie to this. As I said, clean up your diet and start going to gym.

[Sheryl]

whats the legal status of this thing? if im risking a trip to the bangkok hilton then its not really worth it if you know what i mean.

The legality of buying it is a rather grey area. The drug is generically approved for use in Thailand but no brand has been licensed for import. The Thai FDA has not assigned a classification for it, they don't in such cases since the drug isn't (legally) here.

Anyone importing it/selling it, if it really is clenbuterol, is definitely breaking the law. But I am not sure whether buying it would be illegal given that it is not a banned substance nor has it been declared a controlled one.