ChiangMaiFun Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 PTP won't get in - all the others will collude and sell their souls and seats to ensure it - and the badwill and troubles will continue unfortunately So, there'll be no collusion and selling of souls to the PTP? The troubles will continue either way. If PTP get in, the yellows will come out in force as soon as the PTP start trying to change laws to whitewash Thaksin's crimes. If the Democrats get in, the reds will complain that the others colluded and sold their souls to form government with the Democrats. I suppose that all the Thaksin and red shirt supporters could vote for PTP. If they vote for someone else who then joins with the Democrats, they can't complain, can they? Let's hope we get some resolution.. but it's doubtful alas... I just want the party in power to have a REAL mandate - but there's too many parties! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteeleJoe Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 yes I believe it would be ten times better than most Thai Universities Fair enough. Thanks for answering that much. (I'm no fan of Thai education in general. I just don't assume that because it's American it's necessarily better overall though there may indeed be -- I suspect there is -- some aspects that will inherently be better in any virtually any accredited US institution). By all means, move on. But when you introduce something in the topic that is related to the OP (tangentially or not) you can't complain when peole reply to that. if you continue to go on about it - while accusing people of racism and such -- then you can't complain if people explain and defend their replies to your post. And frankly, it doesn't look so good if when you run out of a tenable argument you urge others to move on...anyway, I've had more than enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 I seem to remember reading on this forum last year that PTP was not all about Thaksin? Looks like quite a few were wrong on that one....Pretty sad when a convicted criminal gets to run one of the country's largest political parties. Add to that, Somchai's stops at the redshirt gatherings and PTP's inclusion of redshirt leaders facing terrorism charges and the equation still is PTP=UDD=Thaksin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiangMaiFun Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 I'm afraid you are wrong - I was the poster who tried to bring some balance to the 'we hate Yingluck' brigade but mentioning that she had two Masters degrees and I thought that was in her favour. I made NO mention how good these degrees were - I just said it was impressive (to have two Masters degrees) and I still would say the same. It was others who introduced the 'these degrees are crap' arguments to discredit her achievements (ungenerously and unfairly in my view). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteeleJoe Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 (edited) I'm afraid you are wrong - I was the poster who tried to bring some balance to the 'we hate Yingluck' brigade but mentioning that she had two Masters degrees and I thought that was in her favour. I made NO mention how good these degrees were - I just said it was impressive (to have two Masters degrees) and I still would say the same. It was others who introduced the 'these degrees are crap' arguments to discredit her achievements (ungenerously and unfairly in my view). No, I don't believe I am wrong in this instance. Let's see.. I was the poster who tried to bring some balance to the 'we hate Yingluck' brigade but mentioning that she had two Masters degrees and I thought that was in her favour. Yes, you introduced the topic of her degreees. So I said when you introduce something in the topic that is related to the OP (tangentially or not) you can't complain when people reply to that. And I pointed out that if you continue to go on about it - while accusing people of racism and such -- then you can't complain if people explain and defend their replies to your post. I made NO mention how good these degrees were - I just said it was impressive (to have two Masters degrees) and I still would say the same. It was others who introduced the 'these degrees are crap' arguments to discredit her achievements So because you didn't explicily mention the quality -- even though you point to the gaining of them as impressive -- any one else who does is guilty of going off topic or is being irrelevant or what? Even though the quality is 100% relevant as to how impressive it is to attain them -- a point that YOU brought into the discussion? That notion doesn't work without applying some blatant double standards and ignoring basic logic. Edited April 14, 2011 by SteeleJoe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 Let's hope we get some resolution.. but it's doubtful alas... I just want the party in power to have a REAL mandate - but there's too many parties! Many political parties competing in an election is a sign of a healthy democracy, I would say. A situation with one party having a large majority and the party leader / PM saying 'we will continue to rule for twenty years' is NOT a healthy democracy. IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 Master's Degree Kentucky State University MBA Kentucky State University You impress easily... Kentucky State University Ranked #32 amongst historically black colleges and universities But thanks for clarifying it was not Kentucky University [sic] (it's actually the University of Kentucky) which is ranked very much higher. you mention of 'black university' is slightly disturbing as if this makes it LESS valid as a university! Read the links in Post # 22 and inform yourself regarding the terminology and the main evaluator of American universities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 its obviously important to the yellow posters that she 'only' went to a historically black university - quite telling and not surprising The fact that she went to a 'historically black university' isn't the issue. The issue is that she went to a university that was rated fairly low in a particular grouping. Where would it stand if it was rated against all US universities? Indeed. It's no different than mentioning that KSU was also ranked #49th amongst southern universities. The only thing being addressed was chiangmaifun's being impressed by a low-ranked school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiangMaiFun Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 Master's Degree Kentucky State University MBA Kentucky State University You impress easily... Kentucky State University Ranked #32 amongst historically black colleges and universities But thanks for clarifying it was not Kentucky University [sic] (it's actually the University of Kentucky) which is ranked very much higher. you mention of 'black university' is slightly disturbing as if this makes it LESS valid as a university! Read the links in Post # 22 and inform yourself regarding the terminology and the main evaluator of American universities. it doesn't matter - it's irrelevant... move on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 (edited) is it as bad as you say? and why are people wanting to decry her degrees? motivated by Goodwill? or Politics? go figure It all originated from one person wanting to tell us he was so impressed by her degrees, which was probably motivated by politics or goodwill. Go figure. That necessitated putting her degrees in their proper context which was also captured very well by Samran's earlier post. . Edited April 14, 2011 by Buchholz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 Master's Degree Kentucky State University MBA Kentucky State University You impress easily... Kentucky State University Ranked #32 amongst historically black colleges and universities But thanks for clarifying it was not Kentucky University [sic] (it's actually the University of Kentucky) which is ranked very much higher. Yes, quite so. its obviously important to the yellow posters that she 'only' went to a historically black university - quite telling and not surprising Nothing of the kind. The levels of the schools to each other have no relation what so ever to whether she went to either or not. So stop implying what isn't said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 KSU ranked 39th among Southern Colleges and Universities That's 49th. http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/kentucky-state-university-157058/overall-rankings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 its obviously important to the yellow posters that she 'only' went to a historically black university - quite telling and not surprising The fact that she went to a 'historically black university' isn't the issue. The issue is that she went to a university that was rated fairly low in a particular grouping. Where would it stand if it was rated against all US universities? Indeed. It's no different than mentioning that KSU was also ranked #49th amongst southern universities. The only thing being addressed was chiangmaifun's being impressed by a low-ranked school. I would be FAR more impressed by a graduate degree from Sasin for a Business degree. (Sasin is right here in Thailand, very high ranking, associated with TOP ranked US schools etc!) To be impressed merely because it is a US school only shows a lack of understanding about US unis and being impressed because someone can afford to travel (is elite) for their education. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 <snip> she is not responsible for the 'sins' of her brother. <snip> If she becomes PM she will be. She's also involved if she's personally benefited from his shenanigans. Or are we expected that she's worth Billions of Baht in her own right based upon her own efforts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 (edited) For the record University of Kentucky is rated 129th nationally. Harvard is #1 http://colleges.usne...spp%2B50/page+3 Kentucky State University is not even in the running. Not even listed in the top 250 that I could find. ( See Below ) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.hotcourse...ernational.html Kentucky State University was founded in 1886 and is located at Frankfort, Kentucky. It is a public university and is commonly known as Thorobreds. The university has an enrollment of over 2,700 students. The school has maintained its liberal arts roots, but it also offers training in professional fields such as nursing and public administration. The university comprises of three colleges: Arts, Social Sciences and Interdisciplinary Studies; Mathematics, Sciences, Technology and Health; and Professional Studies. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.collegesa...University.html School Profile Public Four-year University Liberal Arts College in Frankfort, KY Acceptance Rate: 31% Accreditation: Southern Association of Colleges and Schools Historically black Enrollment Statistics Undergraduate Students: 2,497 First-year Undergraduate Students: 687 Undergraduate Students Who are Seeking Degree: 2,209 Graduate Students: 162 Degree Programs Offered and Courses List Associate of Data Processing Technology Associate of Drafting and Design Technology Associate of Electrical Engineering Technologies Bachelor of Biology Bachelor of Business - General Bachelor of Chemistry Bachelor of Computer/Information Sciences - General Bachelor of Criminal Justice Studies Bachelor of Elementary Education Bachelor of English Language & Literature - General Bachelor of Fine/Studio Arts Bachelor of Human Development/Family Studies Bachelor of Mass Communications/Media Studies Bachelor of Mathematics - General Bachelor of Music - General Bachelor of Physical Education Bachelor of Political Science/Government Bachelor of Psychology - General Bachelor of Public Administration of Social Sciences - General Bachelor of Social Work Bachelor of Web/Multimedia Management Online Degrees and Certificates Online Undergraduate Courses Undergraduate Distance Class Online Associate's Degrees Online Bachelor's Degrees Online Graduate Courses Graduate Distance Class Online Master's Degrees Online Doctoral Degrees Tuition In-state tuition and fees: $5,920 Out-of-state tuition and fees: $14,208 International Students Admissions Requirements SAT Reasoning Test/ACT: Required TOEFL: required for international applicants Minimum Paper-Based TOEFL score: 525 Minimum Computer-Based TOEFL score: 173 Athletics Member: NCAA Team name: Thorobreds Rankings Ranking by Popularity: Students are also interested in Alabama State University - Montgomery, AL Albany State University - Albany, GA Boston University - Boston, MA Clark Atlanta University - Atlanta, GA Clemson University - Clemson, SC Delaware State University - Dover, DE Florida State University - Tallahassee, FL Hampton University - Hampton, VA Howard University - Washington, D.C. North Carolina Central University - Durham, NC North Carolina State University - Raleigh, NC South Carolina State University - Orangeburg, SC Tennessee State University - Nashville, TN University of Kentucky - Lexington, KY Virginia State University - Petersburg, VA Admissions Address 400 East Main Street, ASB 312 Frankfort, KY 40601 (502) 597-6813 (877) 367-5978 Fax: (502) 597-5814 [email protected] Contact: James Burrell Director of Admissions ------------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.4icu.org/reviews/5612.htm UNIVERSITY OF KENTUCKY 4icu.org World University Ranking, 600 Main Academic Divisions College of Agriculture; College of Arts and Sciences; College of Business and Economics; College of Communications and Information Studies; College of Dentistry; College of Design; College of Education; College of Engineering; College of Fine Arts; College of Health Sciences; College of Law; College of Medicine; College of Nursing; College of Pharmacy; College of Public Health; College of Social Work; Patterson School of Diplomacy and International Commerce; Graduate School ------------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.4icu.org/reviews/5598.htm KENTUCKY STATE UNIVERSITY 4icu World University Ranking 3,468 University Accreditation or Recognition Southern Association of Colleges and Schools Commission on Colleges Other Specialised or Programmatic Accreditations Accreditation Council for Business Schools and Programs (ACBSP); Council on Social Work Education (CSWE); National Association of Schools of Music (NASM), Commission on Accreditation; National Association of Schools of Public Affairs and Administration (NASPAA), Commission on Peer Review and Accreditation; National Council for Accreditation of Teacher Education (NCATE); National League for Nursing Accrediting Commission (NLNAC) ACADEMIC STRUCTURE Main Academic Divisions College of Arts, Social Sciences and Interdisciplinary Studies; College of Mathematics, Sciences, Technology and Health; College of Professional Studies ------------------------------------------------------------------------ And for perspective... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.4icu.org/top200/ 2011 WORLD UNIVERSITY RANKING Top 200 Colleges and Universities in the world UNIVERSITY OF OXFORD #17 17 University of Oxford http://www.4icu.org/reviews/4803.htm Edited April 14, 2011 by animatic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiangMaiFun Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 (edited) its obviously important to the yellow posters that she 'only' went to a historically black university - quite telling and not surprising The fact that she went to a 'historically black university' isn't the issue. The issue is that she went to a university that was rated fairly low in a particular grouping. Where would it stand if it was rated against all US universities? Indeed. It's no different than mentioning that KSU was also ranked #49th amongst southern universities. The only thing being addressed was chiangmaifun's being impressed by a low-ranked school. I would be FAR more impressed by a graduate degree from Sasin for a Business degree. (Sasin is right here in Thailand, very high ranking, associated with TOP ranked US schools etc!) To be impressed merely because it is a US school only shows a lack of understanding about US unis and being impressed because someone can afford to travel (is elite) for their education. I was impressed she had TWO Masters degrees - but all you yellows are just trying to downgrade her achievement Edited April 14, 2011 by ChiangMaiFun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 (edited) I was impressed she had TWO Masters degrees - but all you yellows are just trying to downgrade her achievement Most of my collegues here in Thailand have at least a B.A. including secretaries. I'm not impressed. Management seems to be selected on family name and / or connections rather than pure skills. Of course after a while in management positions it doesn't really matter much (edit: add: M.A's? Doesn't matter, in the OP: "He said the party's motto would be "Thaksin Thinks and Pheu Thai Does It" - which means if elected, the party would implement the policies suggested by the deposed former premier.") Edited April 14, 2011 by rubl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiangMaiFun Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 I was impressed she had TWO Masters degrees - but all you yellows are just trying to downgrade her achievement Most of my collegues here in Thailand have at least a B.A. including secretaries. I'm not impressed. Management seems to be selected on family name and / or connections rather than pure skills. Of course after a while in management positions it doesn't really matter much I'm not impressed either! we agree!!! in fact they are next to worthless... which is why I WAS impressed Yingluck gained TWO Masters in the US - but now all the yellow apologists have their collective knickers in a twist - sanuk! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiangMaiFun Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 I think we have run the course of 'I'm impressed' and you lot are 'unimpressed' it's a beautiful day outside and this is my last comment on the lovely Yingluck's education - bye for now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 SJ --- I think it may have been important to some people to sidetrack the obvious PTP=Thaksin=UDD equation since they have been saying for a long time that "this has moved beyond Thaksin." Was yingluck one of those that had assets seized in the assets forfeiture trial? (Benefitting from Thaksin's claim that he wasn't running AIS/Shin whilst PM.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 (edited) 4icu World University Ranking #17 University of Oxford This I can be impressed by. This comment "" doesn't impress a bit. Edited April 14, 2011 by animatic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigt3365 Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 Several back and forth bickering posts have been removed. Please keep it civil folks, or I'll use my MBA from that online school I got on ya! :jap: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiangMaiFun Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 4icu World University Ranking #17 University of Oxford This I can be impressed by. This comment "" doesn't impress a bit. easily impressed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 If the same lady's name was Yingluck Baksheesh, would she be in the fast lane towards PM? It seems she was drafted by Brother. Nauseating, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 It seems that just like in politics a single fact can be interpreted in many ways, the ranking of Universities is similar: http://www.webometrics.info/top12000.asp http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings All seem to agree on at least one thing: Cambridge scores better than Oxford Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayboy Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 It seems that just like in politics a single fact can be interpreted in many ways, the ranking of Universities is similar: http://www.webometrics.info/top12000.asp http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings All seem to agree on at least one thing: Cambridge scores better than Oxford Well it's a superior sort of place (coughs modestly) But seriously you should check out the methodology used in these surveys.The one used by Animatic (4icu world University Ranking) is a complete joke, based on web hits!! I believe the FT survey is pretty reliable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiangMaiFun Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 If the same lady's name was Yingluck Baksheesh, would she be in the fast lane towards PM? It seems she was drafted by Brother. Nauseating, really. bit like Bush junior? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 If the same lady's name was Yingluck Baksheesh, would she be in the fast lane towards PM? It seems she was drafted by Brother. Nauseating, really. bit like Bush junior? Much much worse! Bush Sr. wasn't up on charges and trying to corrupt the system to have his charges dropped so he could return to power. Bush Sr. was NOT running W's policies. Get real, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 (edited) If the same lady's name was Yingluck Baksheesh, would she be in the fast lane towards PM? It seems she was drafted by Brother. Nauseating, really. bit like Bush junior? Not at all like "W" since "W"'s dad didn't say "Tag, you're it", W not only had to make it through the party primaries, he also then had to get through the RNC in New Orleans. Yes, his name helped, but it wasn't nepotism or cronyism that got him the nomination. It was a party decision and not that of one banned politician on the run from the law edit for typo Edited April 14, 2011 by jdinasia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiangMaiFun Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 If the same lady's name was Yingluck Baksheesh, would she be in the fast lane towards PM? It seems she was drafted by Brother. Nauseating, really. bit like Bush junior? Much much worse! Bush Sr. wasn't up on charges and trying to corrupt the system to have his charges dropped so he could return to power. Bush Sr. was NOT running W's policies. Get real, please. oh right so if his name was tree and not Bush he'd have been in? get real (er) joking aside - you don't have to make the point - we all know why she's been nominated - it happens throughout Thai society - kids get promotions, get jobs because of their family not just this lady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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