American With Severe Head Wound Found Dead In Pattaya Apartment

[atyclb]

Stepped outside for a moment - came back and found him dead - reported to the police 24 hours later. Yes, just an accident.

Just what I was thinking! The storey doesn't add up. I'll also add that they had a big fight right before it all happened. Classic!

Guaranteed it wasn't self inflicted or an accident and the murderer will never be found.

The case could be left opened for years and never properly investigated. It is either that or it will be quickly closed by an official forensic expert who deems it suicide. This type of thing is very common in Pattaya.

Not just in Pattaya, but everywhere in Thailand and a huge issue among Thai's only. google "dr porntip thailand" She is a pathologist despised by police but loved by many ordinary citizens. Her investigations have disproved a high % of police reports/findings/conclusions.

Perhaps not applicable to this case, but alcoholics do have a higher % of accidents, suicides. And "Pattaya" what can anyone say to add to the mystique of that city.......

[Payboy]

but alcoholics do have a higher % of accidents, suicides

So far the only statement that the victim was an alcoholic has come from a person who should be a suspect of foul play.

[Soutpeel]

Reread my post. The victim apparantly had a long history of drunkenness.

Based on comments by a person who in fact is/should be the "prime suspect" in his demise...in itself the comment means nothing, as if the GF is involved, she will be mearly setting up her defence if she gets found out....ie he was a Farang drunk, who used to beat her up..and smashing him over the head was in self defence...etc etc

[kuffki]

Reread my post. The victim apparantly had a long history of drunkenness.

Based on comments by a person who in fact is/should be the "prime suspect" in his demise...in itself the comment means nothing, as if the GF is involved, she will be mearly setting up her defence if she gets found out....ie he was a Farang drunk, who used to beat her up..and smashing him over the head was in self defence...etc etc

Not only that, but if someone has a glass of wine or a bottle of beer with their dinner every night, does it make that person a drunk?

[dunkin2012]

but alcoholics do have a higher % of accidents, suicides

Based on what?

alcoholic ----> suicide .........

drinking.... is fun......for me....

If not i won't....

[exbelg]

i guess another 'suicide' by farang in pattaya report or maybe he cut himself while saving

[Schooner]

It won't take CSI to figure out if 1. the guy was drunk. 2. there was a history of conflict.

In the case of my example of my friend it would have taken the cops 2 seconds to determine both. My friend was insane and so was his girlfriend. We all have choices and those choices determine the odds of the outcomes.

[Soutpeel]

i guess another 'suicide' by farang in pattaya report or maybe he cut himself while saving

.....there we go...case closed, you should work for the BiB....

."while shaving with Mach 3 razor, the deceased inflicted a 5" long gash on his noggin with said razor, causing him to bleed out, meanwhile, a spokesman for Gillette Thailand, the manufacturers of the Mach 3 razor stated that foreigners in Thailand must understand that the Mach 3 razor's are not the same as in their countries and can very easily cause injuries similar to this and it is obvious in this case the foreigner did not read the Thai languge instructions/warnings on the packet"

[Schooner]

Get a grip Kuffki, your the only one talking about someone who has a glass of wine or a beer. Apples and Oranges

[12DrinkMore]

I've fallen over when drunk before, of course I never leave items like glasses or other potentially sharp objects around that could be fallen on.

Now that's what I call responsible drinking!

[Soutpeel]

It won't take CSI to figure out if 1. the guy was drunk. 2. there was a history of conflict.

In the case of my example of my friend it would have taken the cops 2 seconds to determine both. My friend was insane and so was his girlfriend. We all have choices and those choices determine the odds of the outcomes.

Didnt realise the BiB in Thailand where also qualifed doctors...capable of determining the sanity of an indivdual....learn something new every day....instread of visting a doctor with your mental health issues....go and talk to the local plods...

[Schooner]

It's a no-brainer, so quite easy really. Happens all the time in the west.

[surfaxxis]

Another way of looking at it.She pushed him away whilst he was making aggressive drunk advances, he trips, falls and hits the table. She runs away, scared, and goes to ground (family). The family, being good, call the police and they meet up. She tells the whole story and, in the way that things work here, they "simplify" the process.In England the police would take bloods, see he was drunk, understand that she was frightened, account for her missing time, try her for murder, immediately this would be dropped to manslaughter in self-defence. She would get a suspended sentence and a "nominal" criminal record (i.e. one that would only require a tiny bit of explanation for any future employer to understand) and be on with her life.

Here, they just cut out a lot of bureaucracy. Not every Farang is innocent....in fact quite a lot of them abuse their Thai partners. This is why they are here, can't get a girl in their own country because the women can spot them a mile off and don't bother. They come here, bringing their bad traits with them. This is NOT everybody, but we all know AT LEAST 1 of these....even if we don't do the bar thing.

Simply put a 5' girl can't inflict a serious wound to the top of a 6' man's head whilst both are standing up (unless she is holding an unusual weapon and has considerable strength). Particularly when he weighs 80kg and she weighs 40kg.

Please understand, before flaming me to a crisp, that I am just thinking about how this COULD be accurate. I really can't tell what is going on here.

quite possible !!!

[kuffki]

Ok shooner, please define

A drunk?

Drunk?

Drunken state?

[buba]

There is no doubt he died of natural causes as is always the case

[FOODLOVER]

but alcoholics do have a higher % of accidents, suicides

So far the only statement that the victim was an alcoholic has come from a person who should be a suspect of foul play.

I was waiting for some one to catch that. Can any NON THAI who is not suspected in his murder or her family coo-berate her statement?

[SabaiBKK]

"No signs of attack" All the cuts sustained on his hands and arms suggest defensive wounds to me.

follow the evidence Grissom !

[manutoo]

Could someone actually bleed to death from a 5 inch head wound?

I'm aware someone could die, but actually bleed to death?

From the picture, it may be unlikely this guy bled to death. One needs to lose 40% of its blood to die, which would be a bit more than 2 liters for your average guy.

To check that, throw 2 liters of thick juice on your floor, lie in it, ask someone to take a pic of the result & compare it with the news pic. (and then post ur pic in the forum )

Also one who had lost 2l of blood would then be very very pale. On the 2nd pic, he doesn't seem that white.

From the 1st pic, I'd say there's less than 0.5 liter on the floor (maybe as low as 0.3l). Maybe some dried, or some went under the wooden floor, or maybe flowed under... the PC..!

Which brings my 2nd observation :

The PC the police said the victim walked to, as he produced footsteps, is standing... on the very table he fell to !

We can see :

1- the PC box on the right

2- the router on the top left

3- a part of the keyboard on top

That leads to the question : how does ones produces footsteps walking to a place he's already at..? I'll let Thai police answers that one.

But if you now have noticed there's a PC box, you may have noticed what's near his right hand..!

Which leads me to my 3rd observation:

In center of the blood pool, there's what very looks like a CD..!

So that would tell he fell with that CD in his right hand.

It's hard to tell coz of the pixelization, but it seems it's mainly untouched by blood.

Did our victim flip over when he bent to insert that CD in in the CD-Drive ?

Was the CD just laying on the floor coz he was messy ?

Did he bend to keep that messy CD ?

Was it placed there by someone else after the "accident" happened ?

A bunch of questions that Thai police will hopefully answer soon..!

If I were in police, I'd :

1- check finger prints of the CD

2- check if blood would go up a CD, if flooding in big quantity, or if the CD would float on blood

Bonus observation:

You can see the CD box (for 25 CDs, I'd guess) just under the PDN logo, at bottom right of the pic.

[dunkin2012]

Could someone actually bleed to death from a 5 inch head wound?

I'm aware someone could die, but actually bleed to death?

From the picture, it may be unlikely this guy bled to death. One needs to lose 40% of its blood to die, which would be a bit more than 2 liters for your average guy.

To check that, throw 2 liters of thick juice on your floor, lie in it, ask someone to take a pic of the result & compare it with the news pic. (and then post ur pic in the forum )

Also one who had lost 2l of blood would then be very very pale. On the 2nd pic, he doesn't seem that white.

From the 1st pic, I'd say there's less than 0.5 liter on the floor (maybe as low as 0.3l). Maybe some dried, or some went under the wooden floor, or maybe flowed under... the PC..!

Which brings my 2nd observation :

The PC the police said the victim walked to, as he produced footsteps, is standing... on the very table he fell to !

We can see :

1- the PC box on the right

2- the router on the top left

3- a part of the keyboard on top

That leads to the question : how does ones produces footsteps walking to a place he's already at..? I'll let Thai police answers that one.

But if you now have noticed there's a PC box, you may have noticed what's near his right hand..!

Which leads me to my 3rd observation:

In center of the blood pool, there's what very looks like a CD..!

So that would tell he fell with that CD in his right hand.

It's hard to tell coz of the pixelization, but it seems it's mainly untouched by blood.

Did our victim flip over when he bent to insert that CD in in the CD-Drive ?

Was the CD just laying on the floor coz he was messy ?

Did he bend to keep that messy CD ?

Was it placed there by someone else after the "accident" happened ?

A bunch of questions that Thai police will hopefully answer soon..!

If I were in police, I'd :

1- check finger prints of the CD

2- check if blood would go up a CD, if flooding in big quantity, or if the CD would float on blood

Bonus observation:

You can see the CD box (for 25 CDs, I'd guess) just under the PDN logo, at bottom right of the pic.

thank you inspector morse

[crazyswede]

Probably suicid ...

[Soutpeel]

Could someone actually bleed to death from a 5 inch head wound?

I'm aware someone could die, but actually bleed to death?

From the picture, it may be unlikely this guy bled to death. One needs to lose 40% of its blood to die, which would be a bit more than 2 liters for your average guy.

To check that, throw 2 liters of thick juice on your floor, lie in it, ask someone to take a pic of the result & compare it with the news pic. (and then post ur pic in the forum )

Also one who had lost 2l of blood would then be very very pale. On the 2nd pic, he doesn't seem that white.

From the 1st pic, I'd say there's less than 0.5 liter on the floor (maybe as low as 0.3l). Maybe some dried, or some went under the wooden floor, or maybe flowed under... the PC..!

Which brings my 2nd observation :

The PC the police said the victim walked to, as he produced footsteps, is standing... on the very table he fell to !

We can see :

1- the PC box on the right

2- the router on the top left

3- a part of the keyboard on top

That leads to the question : how does ones produces footsteps walking to a place he's already at..? I'll let Thai police answers that one.

But if you now have noticed there's a PC box, you may have noticed what's near his right hand..!

Which leads me to my 3rd observation:

In center of the blood pool, there's what very looks like a CD..!

So that would tell he fell with that CD in his right hand.

It's hard to tell coz of the pixelization, but it seems it's mainly untouched by blood.

Did our victim flip over when he bent to insert that CD in in the CD-Drive ?

Was the CD just laying on the floor coz he was messy ?

Did he bend to keep that messy CD ?

Was it placed there by someone else after the "accident" happened ?

A bunch of questions that Thai police will hopefully answer soon..!

If I were in police, I'd :

1- check finger prints of the CD

2- check if blood would go up a CD, if flooding in big quantity, or if the CD would float on blood

Bonus observation:

You can see the CD box (for 25 CDs, I'd guess) just under the PDN logo, at bottom right of the pic.

thank you inspector morse

Elementary my dear Watson....

[chooka]

Probably suicid ...

There are two other very common causes of farang death in such circumstances;

Heart attack and the new fad being used coincidence or is that one reserved for the farangs in Chiangmai?

[rich54321]

nothing like a woman scorned!!!!!!!!!! but these tiny ones have a TNT fuse waiting to go off at any time for the smallest reason - and yes they have half a dozen friends they can call on to help them solve their crisis!!!!! which ever way they feel they will get away with - im sure there is some good ones somewhere??????

[Jaybee2]

Why there isn't a sub forum for topics of this kind?

Call it the inspector clouseau forum.

Yes, and then the rest of us wouldn't have to be bothered reading their reflexive inane conspiracy drivel every time there is a farang death in Thailand. No police report, no problem---the board members (must be really boring upcountry) will supply all the speculative details we might ever want to read. If they had their own crime forum they could all gather for the metaphorical circle jerk every time there is a questionable death in LOS---project theories ad nauseam (with no real facts to point to of course--except a feeble few paragraphs in the local rag) about police incompetence, police conspiracies, universal Thai loathing of all the simple good-hearted farangs who come to Thailand for the purist reasons, and just the general overall perfidy of several millions of Thais. Seems like the perfect solution both for them and for those of us who prefer to save ourselves the teeth-gnashing caused by accidentally starting to read this nonsense......because, really, once you start reading all the crack-pot theories it becomes almost impossible to turn away.....a little like watching a train wreck......

It requires only one look at the dead body to see that the death is the result of foul play. There are 3 disctinct and separate gashes to the right side of the victims head. The blood has been wiped clean from his head, so the gashes are quite easily and clearly seen. Both of his arms display extensive amounts of blood.

A five inch gash may have killed him, but what about the two other gashes, which are only a little smaller. How could you get 3 distinct separate gashes from one fall? You couldn't. He suffered three very hard blows to his head that caused those gashes. And while 3 blows to the right side of his head may have produced a good deal of blood on his right arm, the blood on his left arm seems more likely related to wounds that are visible on his left hand, and possibly other wounds on his left arm.

Without even considering any other evidence than the one picture of the body, the only logical conclusion is that he was murdered.

[pacovl46]

A 5 inch cut to the head and broken glass everywhere and no sign of an attack

The mind boggles !

yeah, maybe he was drunk and fell into the glass table, sustained the fatal cut, and then tried to get help which would explain the footprints. ever thought of that?

[dunkin2012]

There is no way i would turn to my THAI neighbours if i was in his situation, as i am quite sure they would prevent me from seeking any help while empting out my property,

unlucky. I know my neighbours pretty well. I could always turn to them for help. If I were you, I'd think about moving.

Gosh.....

that's the best "empting out my property" phrase ..........of the day...

make more sense next time and be a little more optimistic dude.

Edited April 22, 2011 by dunkin2012

[surayu]

There is no way i would turn to my THAI neighbours if i was in his situation, as i am quite sure they would prevent me from seeking any help while empting out my property,

unlucky. I know my neighbours pretty well. I could always turn to them for help. If I were you, I'd think about moving.

Gosh.....

that's the best "empting out my property" phrase ..........of the day...

make more sense next time and be a little more optimistic dude.

Are you the best mate of the guy which yesterday wrote that the thai police are his heroes???

I am still puzzled if you are aknowledging the fact that the neighbours in question are in fact thief, with your "make more sense next time " or are denying it by asking me to be more optimistic, , not surprised by this.....

We are not all tourists and ready to move in the next hour, if i had known what i know now, i would have prolonged my search for the ideal place to stay, even if you find it though, you are not in control of whom your future neighbour might be.

Are you by any chances one of those upstanding individual on the BiB paybook which get rewarded by frame foreigners and will go to any extent to defend this way to live? just curious...

[dunkin2012]

There is no way i would turn to my THAI neighbours if i was in his situation, as i am quite sure they would prevent me from seeking any help while empting out my property,

unlucky. I know my neighbours pretty well. I could always turn to them for help. If I were you, I'd think about moving.

Gosh.....

that's the best "empting out my property" phrase ..........of the day...

make more sense next time and be a little more optimistic dude.

Are you the best mate of the guy which yesterday wrote that the thai police are his heroes???

I am still puzzled if you are aknowledging the fact that the neighbours in question are in fact thief, with your "make more sense next time " or are denying it by asking me to be more optimistic, , not surprised by this.....

We are not all tourists and ready to move in the next hour, if i had known what i know now, i would have prolonged my search for the ideal place to stay, even if you find it though, you are not in control of whom your future neighbour might be.

Are you by any chances one of those upstanding individual on the BiB paybook which get rewarded by frame foreigners and will go to any extent to defend this way to live? just curious...

nope........... i don't pay 'em..

i think you should think of relocation...........

[scubapat]

I know Ranjan Sinha, (correct spelling)

He was a graduate of one of the most prestigious graduate schools in the USA, hard working and most probably brilliant by most descriptions, he was a fun guy, a great person and will be sorely missed.

The only light I care to shed on the whole mess is as follows:

The incident happened at his home in Bang Saen, not Pattaya.

IMHO, is wasn't the 5" gash that killed him, it was his constant battle with alcohol, it cost him most of the things that mattered in his life and ultimately life itself. You can argue all you want about who did it, how it was done but the fact is, more than likely without the alcohol he would be with us today.

RIP Ranj

[Schooner]

"IMHO, is wasn't the 5" gash that killed him, it was his constant battle with alcohol"

Case closed..... next.