New Skirmishes On Thai-Cambodian Border

[afarang]

They are ALL Hindu temples( In Si Sa Ket, Surin, Buriram and Korat Provinces). Todays Thais do not know anything about them. In fact ,Thais in this area -Southern Isarn are more Animist than anything else , although the state religion says they are Buddhist , they are much more Animist , in their daily lives.

[whybother]

How can you own a piece of land? The land was there long before you were borne and shall be long after you have gone. The land can never belong to you, for it feeds you, you do not feed it, it is the mother, for a brief time you may be the keeper, the one who takes care. The land ask nothing of you, most surely not that you should kill for it, For it is the mother of all

You can own land by signing papers and paying money.

Land can't feed you if someone else owns it and takes all the food that might be produced on it.

[Buchholz]

How can you own a piece of land? The land was there long before you were borne and shall be long after you have gone. The land can never belong to you, for it feeds you, you do not feed it, it is the mother, for a brief time you may be the keeper, the one who takes care. The land ask nothing of you, most surely not that you should kill for it, For it is the mother of all

That reminds me precisely of my days living amongst the Navajo tribe in New Mexico.

Thank you for that.

[Thaddeus]

How can you own a piece of land? The land was there long before you were borne and shall be long after you have gone. The land can never belong to you, for it feeds you, you do not feed it, it is the mother, for a brief time you may be the keeper, the one who takes care. The land ask nothing of you, most surely not that you should kill for it, For it is the mother of all

Nice sentiments, but the land isn't the reason either, the idea of it appeals to the nationalistic xenophobia of the ordinary Thais and Cambodians, that's all.

[Britannia]

You own the land because you sign a piece of paper for it (and part with something material like cash)

Many are blind but their eyes work perfectly well, they are blind in ignorance, for they can not see things as they realy are

Accept things as they are and not how you want them to be, Fore you can never change that which is

Ohm Shanti to you all

[elcent]

Cambodia's army condemns Thailand for 10 straight days of arms attacks

PHNOM PENH, May 1 (Xinhua) -- Cambodian Ministry of Defense on Sunday afternoon issued a statement condemning Thai troops for their ten straight days of armed attacks into Cambodian territory at the 13th century Ta Mon temple and Ta Krabei temple in Oddar Meanchey province.

"The repeated invasions of Thai troops into Cambodia have caused gradual damage to Cambodia, it is an unacceptable act," said the statement. "The Royal Cambodian armed forces (RCAF) strongly condemn this latest series of the attacks on Cambodia."

"We'd like to appeal to Thai troops to keep their repeated promises of ceasefire in order to avoid further costing human lives--either soldiers or civilians."

... followed by below ...

"Again and again, the acts of aggression on the part of the Thai military continue to cause damage for Cambodia despite the agreement reached between Cambodian-Thai military commanders at military Region levels and frontline commanders at Division levels, " Chhum Socheat said.

"This is the tenth times that the Thai military violated the ceasefire agreement and promised, and spin doctored the situation and alleged against Cambodia while we are stationing on our sovereign territory," he added.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2011-05/01/c_13854296.htm

[elcent]

The guns that won’t fall silent

Apr 26th 2011, 2:56 by R.C. | SINGAPORE

AS MANY others enjoyed a quiet Easter break, the Thais and Cambodians were back to trading gunfire and diplomatic insults over disputed temples along their shared border.

The conservative yellow-shirt movement has made a lot of political capital out of demanding a firm stand against Cambodian “aggression”; they hope to force the government of Abhisit Vejjajiva to sway in their direction. There is even speculation in Bangkok that the whole border fighting is being whipped up by the army in order to precipitate a sense of crisis in the country, in order to have the election cancelled altogether. http://www.economist.com/blogs/banyan/2011/04/thailand_and_cambodia_clash?fsrc=scn/tw/te/bl/gunsthatwontfallsilent

[elcent]

Another Thai, Cambodia clash

House of Japan Sunday, 01 May 2011 Troops from Thailand and Cambodia have exchanged fire again at the countries' disputed border.

Thai regional army spokesman Col. Prawit Hukaew says the two sides exchanged automatic weapons fire overnight and before dawn Sunday as the conflict entered its 10th day.

Cambodian government spokesman Phay Siphan says the fighting took place around the Ta Krabey and Ta Moan temples, which are in a disputed zone between the two nations.

No casualties were reported. At least 16 people have been killed and nearly 100,000 displaced since fighting began April 22.

Thailand and Cambodia fought six times since 2008 over land disputed for more than half a century, but analysts say domestic politics on both sides is driving the current conflict. http://www.houseofjapan.com/world/another-thai-cambodia-clash

[elcent]

Thailand's Domestic Politics Drives Cambodian Border Clash

Sebastian Strangio | 28 Apr 2011

Briefing

PHNOM PENH, Cambodia -- Since the morning of April 22, Thai and Cambodian troops have waged a series of heated firefights along sections of their shared border. The two sides have now traded artillery and small-arms fire for a week, leaving at least 13 soldiers dead on both sides and forcing the evacuation of tens of thousands of people from border areas. The initial skirmishes were confined to areas close to Ta Krabey and Ta Moan, two Angkorian temple ruins lying close to the border, but the fighting quickly spread to Preah Vihear, a cliff-top temple some 93 miles to the east.

Military commanders from the two sides met early this morning, and the Cambodian government subsequently announced that a cease-fire had been reached. But Thai military commander suggested that questions remained over how to enforce the deal, which, like others before it, remains fragile. ... http://www.worldpoli...an-border-clash

Edited May 1, 2011 by elcent

[elcent]

PHNOM PENH - Cambodia said on Sunday that Thai troops still continue launching mortar shells into Cambodian territory at the 13th century Ta Krabei temple in Oddar Meanchey province throughout Saturday night until Sunday morning.

"Every night, Thai troops open fire at our troops at Ta Krabei temple," Suos Sothea, deputy commander of the artillery unit, told Xinhua by telephone from the battle fields.

Related readings:

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Nearly 50,000 Thai border villagers evacuated

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Cambodian, Thai troops exchange gunfire

"On Saturday night at 10:00 pm (local time), they had used weapon M97 to shell at the temple," he said. "Then, occasionally, they continued to fire mortar shells at us at 2:00 am until 6:00 am this Sunday."

"Cambodian troops had fired back in early Sunday morning in order to defend our territory from the invasion," he said. " However, we had just used small guns to retaliate."

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2011-05/01/content_12428603.htm

[elcent]

I think it' will peak this week. Stay alert.

Local media are probably already censored.

Edited May 1, 2011 by elcent

[elcent]

Great images of the refugee camp Samrraong in Cambodia http://www.flickr.com/photos/taksizm/sets/72157626620974698/show/

[elcent]

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[elcent]

Sunday, 1 May 2011

Thai PM: Cabinet to appoint committee to contend with Cambodia's appeals to World Court

BANGKOK, May 1 (MCOT online news) -- The Thai cabinet will be asked this Tuesday to appointing a committee to counter an appeal lodged by Phnom Penh government to the World Court to clarify its 1962 ruling about the ancient Preah Vihear temple, which sits on the disputed border with Thailand, as clashes between the two neighbouring countries continued. http://khmerization....m_term=Cambodia

... Thailand crates a hub of commitees ...

Edited May 1, 2011 by elcent

[elcent]

Sunday, 1 May 2011

Cambodia's bid for help from ICJ has a lot of unknown factors

Aerial view of Preah Vihear temple.

Editorial Desk

The Nation (Thailand)

Publication Date :1st May, 2011

Are Thailand and Cambodia set for a new legal showdown? It's difficult to predict if move will ensure peace

http://khmerization....m_term=Cambodia

I think the ICJ will send it back with a statement that people should actually read the ruling and act on it. It's all said, - why repeat?

Edited May 1, 2011 by elcent

[elcent]

Thai-Cambodian border clashes break brief ceasefire as death toll rises

At least 16 dead in violence that has caused nearly 100,000 villagers to flee disputed area

• Associated Press in Prasat
• guardian.co.uk, Friday 29 April 2011 16.56 BST
• Article history

A Thai child who fled clashes between Thai and Cambodian soldiers at an evacuation center in Surin province, northeastern Thailand. Photograph: Wason Wanichakorn/AP

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[elcent]

kinda lonely war mongers here

http://www.ac-press.com/wp/2011/04/chemises-jaunes-yellow-shirts-pad/

[JimsKnight]

I am bemused that two Nations that both call themselves Buddhist, can result to killing over a temple, A temple of Buddha,

The temples are Hindu.

The temples are Sanksrit / Khmer.

[zzaa09]

^ ^ Not included in the above broadcast is whether foreign ex-pats living in Thailand are eligible to enlist.

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Which army - the Thais or the Cambodians?

Look, you can spin this to your heart's content but nobody's fooled.The Cambodians under Hun Sen are a childish and emotional bunch, but the prime responsibility for the troubles on the border lie with reactionary Thai generals.Their motivation has been discussed in detail before.They have essentially told Kasit and Abhisit to get lost.They are a law to themselves - greedy, corrupt, shortsighted and incompetent.They say their actions are to protect the country and its key institutions.The truth is they are dragging them all down.

So...the Thais and Khmer mirror one another, yes?

[JimsKnight]

How can you own a piece of land? The land was there long before you were borne and shall be long after you have gone. The land can never belong to you, for it feeds you, you do not feed it, it is the mother, for a brief time you may be the keeper, the one who takes care. The land ask nothing of you, most surely not that you should kill for it, For it is the mother of all

Nice sentiments, but the land isn't the reason either, the idea of it appeals to the nationalistic xenophobia of the ordinary Thais and Cambodians, that's all.

The idea that is appeals to the nationalists is something exaggerated, spread and stirred up by the pussified and lame liberals.

If the Thai's back down they lose face, that's not going to happen.

If the pussified one's have a better idea and the will to enforce it then get stuck in and try taking on LoS.

That's not going to happen either so button it.

[jayboy]

^ ^ Not included in the above broadcast is whether foreign ex-pats living in Thailand are eligible to enlist.

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Which army - the Thais or the Cambodians?

Look, you can spin this to your heart's content but nobody's fooled.The Cambodians under Hun Sen are a childish and emotional bunch, but the prime responsibility for the troubles on the border lie with reactionary Thai generals.Their motivation has been discussed in detail before.They have essentially told Kasit and Abhisit to get lost.They are a law to themselves - greedy, corrupt, shortsighted and incompetent.They say their actions are to protect the country and its key institutions.The truth is they are dragging them all down.

So...the Thais and Khmer mirror one another, yes?

In a way yes but the Thais are meant to be the grownups.

[BuckarooBanzai]

Has anybody heard any mortar fire over the last 2 days?

Edited May 1, 2011 by BuckarooBanzai

[elcent]

Has anybody heard any mortar fire over the last 2 days?

The last ones were reported to have happened today from about 2am until 6am. http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2011-05/01/content_12428603.htm

[elcent]

One should also not forget that Cambodia faces also a storm of the greedy helpers. Over 400 000 Chinese expats in Cambodia now.

[Thaddeus]

I am bemused that two Nations that both call themselves Buddhist, can result to killing over a temple, A temple of Buddha,

The temples are Hindu.

The temples are Sanksrit / Khmer.

Sanskrit is a language, Khmer is a race of people, Hindu is a religion.

The temples are Hindu.

Edited May 1, 2011 by Thaddeus

[Thaddeus]

That's not going to happen either so button it.

Thank you for that small piece of childish advice, could I interest you in a lollipop.

Another forum went to the grave purely and simply on your input, why are you so antagonistic?

[BuckarooBanzai]

Has anybody heard any mortar fire over the last 2 days?

The last ones were reported to have happened today from about 2am until 6am. http://www.chinadail...nt_12428603.htm

You misunderstand me elcent, I am wondering if any one has heard mortar or artillery in the last 2 days. I have personally been hearing about everything for the past week but have heard nothing over the last 2 days. There is certainly a possibility I just can't hear it anymore but I don't know why that would be.Maybe too much stress?

[BuckarooBanzai]

Khmer Religion (an excerpt)

Khmer Religion. Since the ancient time, the Khmers had accepted the two great religions from India, i.e. Hinduism and Buddhism, by which the former one was more popular. Hinduism had played an important role in Khmer civilization as the Angkor monarchs adopted its concept of deva-raja, or "god-king", by which the king was revered as an incarnation of the god Shiva, a supreme Hindu deity who was regarded as a protector.

Most temples in the Angkor Empire were dedicated to either god Shiva or god Vishnu. Believed to be the holy house of the supreme gods, the temples were carefully built with fine arts, and the materials used are those of everlasting stones. Many impressive sculptures of great craftsmanship were enshrined.

The second religion being revered by the Khmers was Buddhism of Mahayana sect which came into the region quite at same time as Hinduism, however, Buddhism was less prominent.

Not until the 13th century, Theravada Buddhism was introduced to the Khmer from Sri Lanka and became more prominent in the royal court as well as in the local people. The teaching of Theravada Buddhism directly crashed with the original belief of the Khmer people as it taught the people to seek self enlightenment and abandoned the worldly things. With this teaching, the attitudes of the people towards its Hindu gods as well as the god-king changed, and thus led to the gradual weakening of the empire which eventually collapsed in the first half of 15th century.

In addition to Hinduism and Buddhism, the Khmer people also had their own indigenous beliefs such as the local deities, ancestral spirits, as well as the evil spirits. There are no inscriptions or manuscripts to describe these beliefs, however, it can be found to be prevalent in modern Cambodia, especially in the remote villages. These beliefs are passed on from one generation to another through the words of mouth.

Many sites contain this history so the actual source is unknown.

http://www.vietnambudgettour.com/webplus/viewer.asp?aid=1250&pgid=55

http://www.cambodia-travel.com/khmer/religion.htm

etc.

A variety of supernatural entities populates the universe. These include spirits in the natural environment or certain localities, guardian spirits of houses and animals, ancestral spirits, demon-like beings, ghosts, and others. Some spirits are generally benign and can be helpful if propitiated, but others can cause sickness if they are displeased by lack of respect or by improper behavior.

http://www.everyculture.com/East-Southeast-Asia/Khmer-Religion-and-Expressive-Culture.html

[BuckarooBanzai]

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[barrybankruad]

I am bemused that two Nations that both call themselves Buddhist, can result to killing over a temple, A temple of Buddha,

The temples are Hindu.

The temples are Sanksrit / Khmer.

Who cares <deleted> they are. Wish the powers that be on both sides would shut, pack up and go home so the those of us who have to live in this area can get on with our lives.