Thailand KFC Faces Employee Lawsuit For Unfair Practices

[thaigold]

No, my friend. I'll tell you how to grasp it. When you work for a company, you get fringe benefits. I personally think capitalism is an economic system without a soul. But it is a system, like any other, to be mastered. It served me well for over 40-years - I got all the benefits. It is also giving investors in Thailand all the benefits, with little or no employee protection and / or recourse.

It's not illegal / but it's wrong.

Edited May 10, 2011 by metisdead
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[MAJIC]

Please post in point form what slave conditions KFC imposed. But before you do, please look up what qualifies for "slave"

Yes a 2 way street. Company provides work , employee works and gets paid- full stop.

No one owes you any favors, bonuses or anything else.

Again, do not like the conditions or the pay- move on! I do not recall KFC putting chains or handcuffs on employes hands.

You want communism? Move to Cuba or north Korea , sorry all others have moved to capitalism .

You think you worth more money then the minimum wage? Great go get a job where comPany also thinks you are!!

(2 way street?)

Yes, see below.

(Company offers a job and salary, do not like it-move on, have plenty of people who want to work!)

So it's ok to have slave conditions as long as there are plenty people looking for work???

(Wages are set by the government, go sue the government.)

And government is told what to do by rich companies!!!!

(Decided to make trouble for the company because not happy?-say bye bye to a job and go work elsewhere where the conditions are more suitable or fit the needs.)

And that's always easy to do in times of high unemployment.

(As simple as that )

Yes, as simple as that. Which is exactly what I said about big companies just FIRING everyone. Then the owners can do the work themselves and not have to pay anyone else anything!!!! Why don't they do that??? Just fire everyone and do the work themselves. I mean, it's real easy to do isn't it. Doesn't require much.

During my working life I had several Employers,with similar views to your own. So I didn't stay with the Company for long, upon my leaving, they invariably offered me a larger Salary to stay on.

So at that stage,it was with Great Pleasure,that I was able to tell them exactly where they could "Stick Their Poxy Job"

Actually I owe them all a favour,by motivating me to find alternative Employment, and my reward was to afford to Retire, 10 years early!

Edited May 10, 2011 by MAJIC

[NanLaew]

2 way street?

Company offers a job and salary, do not like it-move on, have plenty of people who want to work!

Wages are set by the government, go sue the government.

Decided to make trouble for the company because not happy?-say bye bye to a job and go work elsewhere where the conditions are more suitable or fit the needs.

As simple as that

I suggest that people should look at the Thailand Labor Protection Act (1998 is the most recent revision I think)

T&G has posted some of it in English for those not familiar with it. http://www.tillekean...t/labor_law.htm

The full act is available online in English from several sources.

edit typo in year

And then....?

Edited May 10, 2011 by NanLaew

[ILOOKFORWORK]

Is it me or does Colonel Sanders look Chinese?

HAHAHA... Okay that was a little over the top, but funny.

[kuffki]

Obviously Kuffki is one of those who enjoys the cheap life in Thailand and is worried that if wages were increased, he wouldn't be able to buy his daily beer chang because production costs have increased.

Same people who spit and curse at taxi drivers because of a difference of 2 baht change.

Yeah, we all know that lot.

As oppose to one who comes for 2 weeks to be a 2 week millioneer?

or perhaps the one who buys his beer and drinks it at 7/11?

or perhaps the one living in deep deep isaan in a bangalow for under 5k per month?

or perhaps the one who tips 60 baht on a 40 baht taxi ride?

PS. Its not very wise to assume things, because Kuffki does not drink beer at all and never has. and when Kuffki drinks, he drinks it in the club where 1 drink cost more then a 6 pack of chang, because Kuffki is one of those bad, greedy owners who lives in a reality and NOT some fantasy world

[kuffki]

Please post in point form what slave conditions KFC imposed. But before you do, please look up what qualifies for "slave"

Yes a 2 way street. Company provides work , employee works and gets paid- full stop.

No one owes you any favors, bonuses or anything else.

Again, do not like the conditions or the pay- move on! I do not recall KFC putting chains or handcuffs on employes hands.

You want communism? Move to Cuba or north Korea , sorry all others have moved to capitalism .

You think you worth more money then the minimum wage? Great go get a job where comPany also thinks you are!!

(2 way street?)

Yes, see below.

(Company offers a job and salary, do not like it-move on, have plenty of people who want to work!)

So it's ok to have slave conditions as long as there are plenty people looking for work???

(Wages are set by the government, go sue the government.)

And government is told what to do by rich companies!!!!

(Decided to make trouble for the company because not happy?-say bye bye to a job and go work elsewhere where the conditions are more suitable or fit the needs.)

And that's always easy to do in times of high unemployment.

(As simple as that )

Yes, as simple as that. Which is exactly what I said about big companies just FIRING everyone. Then the owners can do the work themselves and not have to pay anyone else anything!!!! Why don't they do that??? Just fire everyone and do the work themselves. I mean, it's real easy to do isn't it. Doesn't require much.

During my working life I had several Employers,with similar views to your own. So I didn't stay with the Company for long, upon my leaving, they invariably offered me a larger Salary to stay on.

So at that stage,it was with Great Pleasure,that I was able to tell them exactly where they could "Stick Their Poxy Job"

Actually I owe them all a favour,by motivating me to find alternative Employment, and my reward was to afford to Retire, 10 years early!

Exactly! you did not like the company so you changed. Company thought you were valuable, they offered you more salary, you did not like it-as they say "up to you"

Life and business goes on!

[jimbo38]

Please post in point form what slave conditions KFC imposed. But before you do, please look up what qualifies for "slave"

Yes a 2 way street. Company provides work , employee works and gets paid- full stop.

No one owes you any favors, bonuses or anything else.

Again, do not like the conditions or the pay- move on! I do not recall KFC putting chains or handcuffs on employes hands.

You want communism? Move to Cuba or north Korea , sorry all others have moved to capitalism .

You think you worth more money then the minimum wage? Great go get a job where comPany also thinks you are!!

You seem to operate under the assumption that there will always be a surplus of workers. When there isn't big business is in big trouble.

In the late 90's when things were going well in the USA, Alan Greenspan upped the interest rates. When asked why he did that his answer was that He needed to keep the unemployment rat above 5%!!! He said that if it fell below that then wages would start to rise and as far as he was concerned that would be a bad thing.

Big business rules the governments of countries. When they do they tilt everything their way.

Your black and white statements are full of holes. There is nothing communistic about workers getting fair pay. It makes monetary sense for the employees to have money to spent. And no, not "all others" have not moved to capitalism. Many countries have a combination of socialism and capitalism.

Economies work best when large amounts of money are freely circulating. Pay the employees well, they spend the money on other things, the employees of the companies who make those things buy other things. etc. etc. That's how it works. But when a small number of people have all the money then there is no more economy. No one else can buy anything.

The USA is a perfect example. The latest report is that 400 individuals own 50% of the total wealth of the country. 400 people out of 340,000,000 people. And those 400 won't be happy until they have 100% of everything. And they won't be satisfied when they have that.

Buddhism advises it's followers to treat their employees fairly. The original buddha was pretty sharp. I seriously doubt that any of the 400 individuals will ever achieve enlightenment.

[NanLaew]

The USA is a perfect example. The latest report is that 400 individuals own 50% of the total wealth of the country. 400 people out of 340,000,000 people. And those 400 won't be happy until they have 100% of everything. And they won't be satisfied when they have that.

Buddhism advises it's followers to treat their employees fairly. The original buddha was pretty sharp. I seriously doubt that any of the 400 individuals will ever achieve enlightenment.

The US percentages probably apply across the board in any westernised demoracy including dear old LOS... maybe even more so in dear old LOS after all good things come to pass. So what IS your point?

Buddhism.... yes, well.

Next....?

Edited May 10, 2011 by NanLaew

[kuffki]

Reallly Oz min wage is $15??? Got a link for that?

Gee I only owned 1 company with 150 staff there and min wage for young ones was $6.20

Here you go kuffki.

http://www.netlawman...s-australia.php

$15 per hour for a 38 hour week.

However you'll find most employers pay much higher than the minimum.

Your former employees might have a case for wage compensation?

Thanks for that. i must admit i have not been back to oz for almost 8 years but my staff were under award wages which were not the same.

[kuffki]

Please post in point form what slave conditions KFC imposed. But before you do, please look up what qualifies for "slave"

Yes a 2 way street. Company provides work , employee works and gets paid- full stop.

No one owes you any favors, bonuses or anything else.

Again, do not like the conditions or the pay- move on! I do not recall KFC putting chains or handcuffs on employes hands.

You want communism? Move to Cuba or north Korea , sorry all others have moved to capitalism .

You think you worth more money then the minimum wage? Great go get a job where comPany also thinks you are!!

You seem to operate under the assumption that there will always be a surplus of workers. When there isn't big business is in big trouble.

In the late 90's when things were going well in the USA, Alan Greenspan upped the interest rates. When asked why he did that his answer was that He needed to keep the unemployment rat above 5%!!! He said that if it fell below that then wages would start to rise and as far as he was concerned that would be a bad thing.

Big business rules the governments of countries. When they do they tilt everything their way.

Your black and white statements are full of holes. There is nothing communistic about workers getting fair pay. It makes monetary sense for the employees to have money to spent. And no, not "all others" have not moved to capitalism. Many countries have a combination of socialism and capitalism.

Economies work best when large amounts of money are freely circulating. Pay the employees well, they spend the money on other things, the employees of the companies who make those things buy other things. etc. etc. That's how it works. But when a small number of people have all the money then there is no more economy. No one else can buy anything.

The USA is a perfect example. The latest report is that 400 individuals own 50% of the total wealth of the country. 400 people out of 340,000,000 people. And those 400 won't be happy until they have 100% of everything. And they won't be satisfied when they have that.

Buddhism advises it's followers to treat their employees fairly. The original buddha was pretty sharp. I seriously doubt that any of the 400 individuals will ever achieve enlightenment.

i am sorry but your response does not address the questions i put to you! Please answer the questions i put to you, if you can not and prefer to change the subject, then please do not quote my post.

So lets try again, shall we?

Please post in point form what slave conditions KFC imposed????

[cardholder]

I for one applaud these peoples activism and I intend to support them by writing to KFC Thailand and if I have to boycotting KFC for whom I am a very good customer.

Some people fail to understand that we can be here living the lifestyles we live because someone fought for labor rights and stood up (and many times were killed) for working people. These folks have taken huge risks to do this and I think we should support them. This is capitalism and the free market working: when people decide they are being unfairly treated they stand up and do something about it.

I am frankly disgusted with people who take from the system and recieve it's benefits, but then want to slam the door on those trying to recieve the same benefits.

Well said!

Drama out of a non-event.

Let them eat bread.

[jimbo38]

Please post in point form what slave conditions KFC imposed????

Can you live on 2500 baat per month?. Buy a house, raise a family, educate the kids, pay for transport etc. etc.?? If you can't do those things on your pay then it's slave wages. In the South of the USA the slave owners had to house, feed, and give medical care to his slaves. If he didn't, they died and he lost his investment.

This is my last post on the subject. You, obviously, have no intention of discussing the matter intelligently.

I put it to you one last time. If you don't want to pay employees a decent, living wage then DON'T HIRE THEM. Do the work yourself. But you can't, can you/? Can you do anything other than shuffling numbers around on a piece of paper?? Are you a licensed avionics tech who repairs, checks out, and signs off equipment as being airworthy. If you make a mistake it can cost hundreds of innocent people to die?? Can you weld aluminum, or lay bricks to build a house?? Are you able to do anything of any actual value to people?? If you can, then just do what I suggest, start a business and do all the work yourself.

Oh yeah, btw. Don't you have anything better to do than be on here complaining about "workers"??

I would say "enjoy life" but I doubt that you are able.

[kuffki]

Please post in point form what slave conditions KFC imposed????

Can you live on 2500 baat per month?. Buy a house, raise a family, educate the kids, pay for transport etc. etc.?? If you can't do those things on your pay then it's slave wages. In the South of the USA the slave owners had to house, feed, and give medical care to his slaves. If he didn't, they died and he lost his investment.

This is my last post on the subject. You, obviously, have no intention of discussing the matter intelligently.

I put it to you one last time. If you don't want to pay employees a decent, living wage then DON'T HIRE THEM. Do the work yourself. But you can't, can you/? Can you do anything other than shuffling numbers around on a piece of paper?? Are you a licensed avionics tech who repairs, checks out, and signs off equipment as being airworthy. If you make a mistake it can cost hundreds of innocent people to die?? Can you weld aluminum, or lay bricks to build a house?? Are you able to do anything of any actual value to people?? If you can, then just do what I suggest, start a business and do all the work yourself.

Oh yeah, btw. Don't you have anything better to do than be on here complaining about "workers"??

I would say "enjoy life" but I doubt that you are able.

I am sorry but before i even go on reading, where did you get 2500 baht?

I would love to have an intelligent debate with you, but you have to provide intelligent post first.

You made a statement, i asked you twice now to point out in point form what slave conditions KFC imposed

For the 3rd time you fail to address the actual question and furthermore now went ahead and made up some figures.

Clearly you will not answer or even attempt to back up statement you made, then again for the second time, do not quote my post and start a new one with a different subject

Edited May 10, 2011 by kuffki

[ozzieovaseas]

I can't believe the comments suggesting that these employees don't have a legitimate complaint or that they are just trying to cause trouble. How does anyone live for a month on 5,200 baht in Bangkok. Typical of some expats who seem to think that the local population has some magical way of making 5,000 baht into a fortune in Thailand. It isn't. It's a little above slave labor. True it may be the official rate but it raises the broader of the right of Thai workers to demand better wages. I suggest those posters who criticize their actions take it upon themselves to live on 5,200 baht a month. Don't expect any of them will but they still complain that workers are lazy and paid to much. Seriously who's going to work hard for that sort of cash?

And therein lies the answer to a multitude of questions asked on TV..

Why do Thais do this? why do they do that?...or rather..."why does my bargirl girlfriend do this and that? bla bla bla

Easy for ignorant farangs to spout the easyfixes..."They should....." (add your own bla bla bla)

But the one that really sh!ts me is when you hear some pr!ck going on with the "Tell them to get a job that pays more" drivel

Maybe these sort of stories might wake a few people up about life for the average Thai. Jobs arent easy to come by, especially when you have an army of competitors with similiar education levels (ie. very little) seeking the same sort of work.

Im sure No-one wants to work for that sort of cash, but sometimes there is the choice of making 5,200 baht per month OR making zero baht per month.

A lot of farangs seem to forget most are'nt born with the silver spoon and dont have the luxury of the welfare systems we have at home.

[arthurwait]

It is not a question of "27 baht per hour"

The government has set the minimum wage for the country,

KFC has a policy of paying minimum wage (globally)

If KFC makes an exception here it would be held accountable to it's board and end up raising wages above minimum globally.

The issue should not be with KFC it should be with the minimum wage law here in Thailand, but they will not raise it because it would strengthen the baht and exports would decline.

Then why do we pay western prices for KFC in thailand?

A zinger burger meal is 99B - £2 at 50B to the pound. A meal in the UK is, I think £4 now maybe. Half the price.

It used to be 70+ Baht to the pound a few years back obviously meaning at the same 99B and about £4 for a meal it would be £1.40 a third of the price.

Edited May 10, 2011 by arthurwait

[ozzieovaseas]

Price of KFC in Bangkok about 130 baht

Price is KFC in New Zealand 140 Baht

Wages for staff in New Zealand $13 hour = 290 baht an hour

Wages for staff in Bangkok 27 baht an hour

KFC, restaurant brands in New Zealand still make a profit when they pay 10 times more in wages than thailand and charge the same price

Also the chicken is no doubt sourced cheaper here too

I am a capitalist but when I see the disgusting super profits these businessmen make while paying their staff nothing so they can buy their latest merc to show their friends

it makes me want to be a socialist

Same goes for McD.

As long as their is cheap supply of labour in Thailand the chinese will continue to make massive profits

NZ gets $13 per hour? I remember in Aus they employed people for around $5-6 per hour and these are mostly teenagers 16yrs and above. This was there pocket money, yes they were unskilled and just wanted some extra money but they also work very hard, and having customers constantly complain = no fun.

I assume nearly all major food chains are doing exactly the same thing. They probably all do cheap labor practices.

For those of you who think 27baht per hour is enough to survive then I suggest for them to try it and see how far they get while having to pay bills in this economy

I fear your point will fall on deaf ears here on Thaivisa......these are the same guys who argue about how they could never POSSIBLY live in BK for under 60k per month

[kuffki]

I can't believe the comments suggesting that these employees don't have a legitimate complaint or that they are just trying to cause trouble. How does anyone live for a month on 5,200 baht in Bangkok. Typical of some expats who seem to think that the local population has some magical way of making 5,000 baht into a fortune in Thailand. It isn't. It's a little above slave labor. True it may be the official rate but it raises the broader of the right of Thai workers to demand better wages. I suggest those posters who criticize their actions take it upon themselves to live on 5,200 baht a month. Don't expect any of them will but they still complain that workers are lazy and paid to much. Seriously who's going to work hard for that sort of cash?

And therein lies the answer to a multitude of questions asked on TV..

Why do Thais do this? why do they do that?...or rather..."why does my bargirl girlfriend do this and that? bla bla bla

Easy for ignorant farangs to spout the easyfixes..."They should....." (add your own bla bla bla)

But the one that really sh!ts me is when you hear some pr!ck going on with the "Tell them to get a job that pays more" drivel

Maybe these sort of stories might wake a few people up about life for the average Thai. Jobs arent easy to come by, especially when you have an army of competitors with similiar education levels (ie. very little) seeking the same sort of work.

Im sure No-one wants to work for that sort of cash, but sometimes there is the choice of making 5,200 baht per month OR making zero baht per month.

A lot of farangs seem to forget most are'nt born with the silver spoon and dont have the luxury of the welfare systems we have at home.

sORRY but i disagree .

To start with even with welfare, while people do get some money, it is half the amount of the minimum wage if not less.

There are just as many foreigners back in their country who work for minimum wage and struggle through life financially.

Low paid jobs do not require any skills and as such pay low salary-same worldwide.

So i am not sure why you think a foreigner on minimum wage is any different to a Thai on minimum wage?

One big difference is though, foreigners on a minimum wage back home take another job to make ends meet.

On the topic of bar girls, again, this is the choice they make. They can chose to finish school and work for a minimum wage and live a simple life, they can also chose to be a bar girl, save money, get better education and then get a better paying job, yet how many bar girls do you know who actually saved money or got better education or got a real job.

I will even go as far as dare someone to go to a bar and offer bar girl a job paying 50K, I can guarantee you, she will turn it down, because they do not want to work and prefer the party life lifestyle-sleep, drink, shopping, gifts from men etc.

Just like some people chose to be drug dealers and others do not!

You will also note that the bar girls make a tiny % of the population, from memory like 1% if that

People have choices in life. Some work hard(2-3 jobs), some do not, and some just look to point fingers and people to blame for their life.

Then, of course there is also a "tall poppy sydrom" http://tallpoppysyndrome.blogspot.com/

Edited May 10, 2011 by kuffki

[pkspeaker]

oh thats a bunch of crap.. the fast food employees in america don't work any harder than the thai's here do and they usually have a worse attitude..the thai workers i see work hard and don't complain..maybe in pattaya there are some employees who seem lazy .. also this is another reason to get your chicken from the street vendors, i have never understood how kfc is successful here when within 2 minutes walk from any kfc is a cart that has better chicken for cheaper.. also all those fastfood places use that msg crap, they then put these chemicals in the buns so they don't get fungus.. have you ever been slow to eat a loaf of bread, after a few days this disgusting mildue starts growing all over it, not fast food buns, those things will last forever, the preservatives and chemicals they use at all these places like mcdonalds, the money wasted on advertising, corporate dividends, profits going to the parent comp[any overseas --all this adds up to bad food .. when you eat out visit any small retaurant or food stand-they have none of these issues . . people are drawn to fast food because at least they know what they are getting but what they get is crap

Price of KFC in Bangkok about 130 baht

Price is KFC in New Zealand 140 Baht

Wages for staff in New Zealand $13 hour = 290 baht an hour

Wages for staff in Bangkok 27 baht an hour

KFC, restaurant brands in New Zealand still make a profit when they pay 10 times more in wages than thailand and charge the same price

Also the chicken is no doubt sourced cheaper here too

I am a capitalist but when I see the disgusting super profits these businessmen make while paying their staff nothing so they can buy their latest merc to show their friends

it makes me want to be a socialist

Same goes for McD.

As long as their is cheap supply of labour in Thailand the chinese will continue to make massive profits

Probably takes 10 lazy thais to do the work of one Westerner. If they want better pay perhaps they should actually work instead of chatting, standing around, texting etc etc etc. Thai workers wouldnt last a day in a western fast food restaurant. They actually work their asses off there

[kuffki]

oh thats a bunch of crap.. the fast food employees in america don't work any harder than the thai's here do and they usually have a worse attitude..the thai workers i see work hard and don't complain..maybe in pattaya there are some employees who seem lazy .. also this is another reason to get your chicken from the street vendors, i have never understood how kfc is successful here when within 2 minutes walk from any kfc is a cart that has better chicken for cheaper.. also all those fastfood places use that msg crap, they then put these chemicals in the buns so they don't get fungus.. have you ever been slow to eat a loaf of bread, after a few days this disgusting mildue starts growing all over it, not fast food buns, those things will last forever, the preservatives and chemicals they use at all these places like mcdonalds, the money wasted on advertising, corporate dividends, profits going to the parent comp[any overseas --all this adds up to bad food .. when you eat out visit any small retaurant or food stand-they have none of these issues . . people are drawn to fast food because at least they know what they are getting but what they get is crap

Price of KFC in Bangkok about 130 baht

Price is KFC in New Zealand 140 Baht

Wages for staff in New Zealand $13 hour = 290 baht an hour

Wages for staff in Bangkok 27 baht an hour

KFC, restaurant brands in New Zealand still make a profit when they pay 10 times more in wages than thailand and charge the same price

Also the chicken is no doubt sourced cheaper here too

I am a capitalist but when I see the disgusting super profits these businessmen make while paying their staff nothing so they can buy their latest merc to show their friends

it makes me want to be a socialist

Same goes for McD.

As long as their is cheap supply of labour in Thailand the chinese will continue to make massive profits

Probably takes 10 lazy thais to do the work of one Westerner. If they want better pay perhaps they should actually work instead of chatting, standing around, texting etc etc etc. Thai workers wouldnt last a day in a western fast food restaurant. They actually work their asses off there

Well your "experience" certainly does not go with reality!

If thai workers did work as hard as you claim, what would the reason for having 5 staff in 2x2 donut shop?

Or over 100 in Home Works per shift?

5(actual barman not service) plus 2(cashiers) in a bar? no longer then 3.5 meters and yet people still wait for a drink and change

[pkspeaker]

dah, obviously the reason is they pay these people like crap, 27b fro one hour , when you pay that little you can afford to have all this excess labor, the reason it appears they don't work hard is because often it is slow.. they keep the extra people for when there is a rush

[arthurwait]

Minimum wahe in Bkk since April 2009 is 220 baht per day. As per working hours read the following:

Working Hours and Leave

The maximum number of working hours of employees is fixed at eight hours a day

and 48 hours a week in total. In some types of works, as stipulated by law, the

employer and the employee may agree to arrange the period of working hours but the

working hours in any case must not exceed 48 hours a week. In establishments in

which the work is deemed injurious to health or personal safety, as stipulated by law,

working hours must not exceed seven hours a day and 42 hours a week in total.

About as adhered to as prostitution being illegal.

Isn't 27 baht per hour for 8 hours 216 baht + all the free food too, Wow sounds like KFC is paying right in line with nation average plus all that yummy food. I think maybe the real complaint should the countries minimum wage law, but then again that might affect exports and we couldn't have that for sure.

As long as there is no unpaid overtime by KFC, but I was thinking Thai companies, small businesses with 10/12 hour days and no overtime.

[mallyrd]

Obviously Kuffki is one of those who enjoys the cheap life in Thailand and is worried that if wages were increased, he wouldn't be able to buy his daily beer chang because production costs have increased.

Same people who spit and curse at taxi drivers because of a difference of 2 baht change.

Yeah, we all know that lot.

As oppose to one who comes for 2 weeks to be a 2 week millioneer?

or perhaps the one who buys his beer and drinks it at 7/11?

or perhaps the one living in deep deep isaan in a bangalow for under 5k per month?

or perhaps the one who tips 60 baht on a 40 baht taxi ride?

PS. Its not very wise to assume things, because Kuffki does not drink beer at all and never has. and when Kuffki drinks, he drinks it in the club where 1 drink cost more then a 6 pack of chang, because Kuffki is one of those bad, greedy owners who lives in a reality and NOT some fantasy world

What is a millioneer?

What is a bangalow?

Why do you say that you don't drink beer and never have but when you do......?

Edited May 10, 2011 by mallyrd

[kuffki]

dah, obviously the reason is they pay these people like crap, 27b fro one hour , when you pay that little you can afford to have all this excess labor, the reason it appears they don't work hard is because often it is slow.. they keep the extra people for when there is a rush

Well, this is NOT what you said in your previous post. You claimed that Thai staff works very hard, even harder then staff in the West.

So now, according to your theory they keep the extra people when there is a rush, is that why the full staff is on from the time shop opens to the time shops shuts? When does the rush come?

But, you then say it appears they do not work, because its often slow, so which one is it? often slow or often the rush?

[kuffki]

Obviously Kuffki is one of those who enjoys the cheap life in Thailand and is worried that if wages were increased, he wouldn't be able to buy his daily beer chang because production costs have increased.

Same people who spit and curse at taxi drivers because of a difference of 2 baht change.

Yeah, we all know that lot.

As oppose to one who comes for 2 weeks to be a 2 week millioneer?

or perhaps the one who buys his beer and drinks it at 7/11?

or perhaps the one living in deep deep isaan in a bangalow for under 5k per month?

or perhaps the one who tips 60 baht on a 40 baht taxi ride?

PS. Its not very wise to assume things, because Kuffki does not drink beer at all and never has. and when Kuffki drinks, he drinks it in the club where 1 drink cost more then a 6 pack of chang, because Kuffki is one of those bad, greedy owners who lives in a reality and NOT some fantasy world

What is a millioneer?

What is a bangalow?

Why do you say that you don't drink beer and never have but when you do......?

What does your post have to do with OP?

very sorry i misspelled a few words

Yes i do not drink beer and never have, but when i do drink-alcohol that is........

I hope you do realize there are other alcoholic drinks then just beer

[mallyrd]

Obviously Kuffki is one of those who enjoys the cheap life in Thailand and is worried that if wages were increased, he wouldn't be able to buy his daily beer chang because production costs have increased.

Same people who spit and curse at taxi drivers because of a difference of 2 baht change.

Yeah, we all know that lot.

As oppose to one who comes for 2 weeks to be a 2 week millioneer?

or perhaps the one who buys his beer and drinks it at 7/11?

or perhaps the one living in deep deep isaan in a bangalow for under 5k per month?

or perhaps the one who tips 60 baht on a 40 baht taxi ride?

PS. Its not very wise to assume things, because Kuffki does not drink beer at all and never has. and when Kuffki drinks, he drinks it in the club where 1 drink cost more then a 6 pack of chang, because Kuffki is one of those bad, greedy owners who lives in a reality and NOT some fantasy world

What is a millioneer?

What is a bangalow?

Why do you say that you don't drink beer and never have but when you do......?

What does your post have to do with OP?

very sorry i misspelled a few words

Yes i do not drink beer and never have, but when i do drink-alcohol that is........

I hope you do realize there are other alcoholic drinks then just beer

What did your previous post have to do with the OP's original post?

I guess you meant to say ".....drinks than just beer" rather than ".....drinks then just beer".

Have a good day, whats left of it.

[kuffki]

What did your previous post have to do with the OP's original post?

I guess you meant to say ".....drinks than just beer" rather than ".....drinks then just beer".

Have a good day, whats left of it.

lmao-must be that time of the day-troll time

[jdinasia]

I am amazed that someone that can't seem to find and keep a decent Thai staff has so much to say about this issue.

I again suggest reading over the Thai Labour Protection Act of 1998 (link in a post of mine above) ... there is a good chance that KFC will be out quite a bit of money over the issues at hand.

[kuffki]

I am amazed that someone that can't seem to find and keep a decent Thai staff has so much to say about this issue.

I again suggest reading over the Thai Labour Protection Act of 1998 (link in a post of mine above) ... there is a good chance that KFC will be out quite a bit of money over the issues at hand.

Could you kindly underline for me when i said i can not find staff or can not keep Thai staff?

I thought i was pretty clear in my question on ANOTHER THREAD, which was what makes Thai staff tick? i certainly did not mentioned anything about not being able to find or keep staff.

I also believe your response was respect and not only the money, so i am really unsure what point you trying to prove now.

There is a reason why i stopped responding on that thread, and that is simply because people( the standard practice on Thai Visa, like to assume thing and read into what is not written, which you just proved perfectly)

Having productive staff and a huge number of staff are 2 very different things. Not the quantity but the quality as they saying goes.

PS. If it makes you feel any better, my maid has been with me for 8 years and has moved with me from BKK to Pattaya and before you ask, no she is not a live in maid nor does she work for business, but works only for my house.

Edited May 10, 2011 by kuffki

[Bingo66]

Price of KFC in Bangkok about 130 baht

Price is KFC in New Zealand 140 Baht

Wages for staff in New Zealand $13 hour = 290 baht an hour

Wages for staff in Bangkok 27 baht an hour

KFC, restaurant brands in New Zealand still make a profit when they pay 10 times more in wages than thailand and charge the same price

Also the chicken is no doubt sourced cheaper here too

I am a capitalist but when I see the disgusting super profits these businessmen make while paying their staff nothing so they can buy their latest merc to show their friends

it makes me want to be a socialist

Same goes for McD.

As long as their is cheap supply of labour in Thailand the chinese will continue to make massive profits

Excatally, why are we paying the same price as western countrys when people are getting paid 27bht an hour (0.60euro) disgrace.

[tropo]

Point well-made.

I've always taken notice how I pay the same price for KFC chicken here as in the west. But shocked that employees here make less than 10% of KFC wages in the west.

Some fat cat is pocketing a huge profit margin on the backs of hapless employees who can barely afford the cheapest of BKK's dormitories and transportation beyond the "red bus."

Yes, capitalism at its worst.

Lower wages allows stores which would have gone broke paying Western salaries stay afloat. Salaries paid overseas are irrelevant.I don't see why a Thai business should be paying more than standard salaries. Lower wages allows them to hire more staff than a similar operation in a Western country thereby being a bigger benefit to the community.

Giving the staff unsold chicken is hardly leftovers. Fried chicken with noddles makes quite a good lunch. I don't ever remember getting free food in NZ when I used to work in various laboring jobs.