Red Shirts To Continue Activities During Election Period

[webfact]

DAAD to Continue Activities During Election Period

The acting leader of the red-shirt movement has denied reports that ousted former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra has asked the group's supporters not to participate in the election activities of the Pheu Thai Party.

Thida Thawornset, caretaker chairperson of the Democratic Alliance against Dictatorship or DAAD, denied reports that former prime minister and de facto leader of the Pheu Thai Party Thaksin Shinawatra has asked red-shirt supporters not to attend the party's election campaign rallies.

She stressed that the the DAAD will continue its regular activities during the election period, and that no members have been advised not to participate in its activities, even those who are candidates in the upcoming poll.

Thida asked red-shirt supporters not to accept money from strangers during the election and to refrain from making accusations without substantiating facts or evidence.

The acting red-shirt leader added that she has advised speakers at rallies not to help promote or campaign for the Pheu Thai Party.

On May 19, the DAAD will host an event to commemorate a one-year anniversary of last year's bloody end to the mass protest at Ratchaprasong Intersection.

The program starts at 4.30 P.M. with an alms-giving ceremony with 92 Buddhist monks, followed by a commemoration for fallen demonstrators.

Regarding a ceremony for political parties to sign a pact organized by the director of Mahidol University's Research Center for Peace, Khothom Areeya, Thida said there is no need for the red-shirt group to take part in the activity as it is not a political party.

She demanded Khothom to get to bottom of the deaths at Pathumwanaram Temple.

Khothom was the one who proposed the designation of the temple as a no-violence area.

-- Tan Network 2011-05-12

[rubl]

Important correction!

The title of this topic was slightly erroneous in saying 'Red Shirts'. This should have been 'DAAD'. Please accept our apologies for this mishap.

tN

[animatic]

Important correction!

The title of this topic was slightly erroneous in saying 'Red Shirts'. This should have been 'DAAD'. Please accept our apologies for this mishap.

tN

Drones Against Agreeable Democracy.

Ready willing and able to disrupt campaigning by opposition parties, and get out the vote they want and no other.

Edited May 12, 2011 by animatic

[whybother]

Thida asked red-shirt supporters not to accept money from strangers during the election and to refrain from making accusations without substantiating facts or evidence.

This would be new for them, wouldn't it?

[rubl]

On May 19, the DAAD will host an event to commemorate a one-year anniversary of last year's bloody end to the mass protest at Ratchaprasong Intersection.

And at that day let us not forget our wrongly accused and jailed leader k. Jatuporn. One of our heroes of the heady days of 'peaceful protesters, not terrorists'. With his masterful slogan 'till the last drop of your blood', let's all wear a T-shirt with a Mahatma Ghandi print

[webfact]

Court Revokes Jatuporn's Bail For Violating Bail Conditions

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[phiphidon]

Important correction!

The title of this topic was slightly erroneous in saying 'Red Shirts'. This should have been 'DAAD'. Please accept our apologies for this mishap.

tN

First of all, to whom does the "our" refer to? Secondly, wish you guys would keep to the same rhetoric - didn't it use to be "Red Shirts=DAAD=PTP=Thaksin" or variations on that theme?

[rubl]

Important correction!

The title of this topic was slightly erroneous in saying 'Red Shirts'. This should have been 'DAAD'. Please accept our apologies for this mishap.

tN

First of all, to whom does the "our" refer to? Secondly, wish you guys would keep to the same rhetoric - didn't it use to be "Red Shirts=DAAD=PTP=Thaksin" or variations on that theme?

Had you been fully awake you might have guessed that the 'our' refers to 'me' as in IMHO.

As for the rhetoric, just adapting to emerging reality. It seems there's this red-shirt faction called DAAD (aka UDD) led by Ms. Thida. Some leaders of her group are PTP MP's or have been made 'party list candicates' for the PTP. On request, after a democratic vote on the issue by k. Thaksin. So 'UDD = PTP = Thaksin'.

There are at least five or six other red-shirt factions who want self-entitlement, self-reliance, be part of the democratic system and progress in society. Those may or may not be PTP members or voters, maybe not even sympathisers.

[phiphidon]

Important correction!

The title of this topic was slightly erroneous in saying 'Red Shirts'. This should have been 'DAAD'. Please accept our apologies for this mishap.

tN

First of all, to whom does the "our" refer to? Secondly, wish you guys would keep to the same rhetoric - didn't it use to be "Red Shirts=DAAD=PTP=Thaksin" or variations on that theme?

Had you been fully awake you might have guessed that the 'our' refers to 'me' as in IMHO.

As for the rhetoric, just adapting to emerging reality. It seems there's this red-shirt faction called DAAD (aka UDD) led by Ms. Thida. Some leaders of her group are PTP MP's or have been made 'party list candicates' for the PTP. On request, after a democratic vote on the issue by k. Thaksin. So 'UDD = PTP = Thaksin'.

There are at least five or six other red-shirt factions who want self-entitlement, self-reliance, be part of the democratic system and progress in society. Those may or may not be PTP members or voters, maybe not even sympathisers.

No I was (and am ) fully awake. WIthout being patronising "our" in English is generally used to refer to the original speaker and another person or persons. "My" as in "my humble opinion" refers to the singular, hence my question, as it appears that you were speaking for people other than yourself.

As for the emerging reality, I'm pleased that you have recognised it. Maybe some of the other, shall we say, less enlightened members, may also recognise and acknowledge the various factions within the Red Shirt movement.

[rubl]

On May 19, the DAAD will host an event to commemorate a one-year anniversary of last year's bloody end to the mass protest at Ratchaprasong Intersection.

And at that day let us not forget our wrongly accused and jailed leader k. Jatuporn. One of our heroes of the heady days of 'peaceful protesters, not terrorists'. With his masterful slogan 'till the last drop of your blood', let's all wear a T-shirt with a Mahatma Ghandi print

it seems that you only listen to the thai media, cuz outside thailand almost everyone knows that the red shirt are not terrorists,everybody also knows that the guy who push the trigger firts was abhisit who gave the oder of firing against the protester,hmmmmm from now on i should read your posts cuz they are very funny

You are too kind, dear Sir/Madam

As for the rest, well, even in Thailand almost everyone knows that 99.999% of the red-shirts are not terrorists. It's only a few handful who spoil it for the others. Assuming you are referring to the March - May 2010 protests, everybody should know by now that even before the army got officially involved around the 10th of April 2010 they had already been provoked by UDD leaders and the first few grenades had already been lobbed on non-red-shirts. The "Abhisit said 'kill them'" doctored tape is from 2009 by the way. The UDD leaders took pains to provoke till at last the army got involved. The army's shooting started on the 10th of April when a few grenades were lobbed on a colonel with staff and MiB mingling with protesters. PM Abhisit's orders were probably along the line of 'cleanup and try to keep it as non-violent as possible'.

Anyway welcome at this forum, hope you can participate with new insights. May I suggest you read the HRW report on last years activities. Somehow I think you seem to have found Robert A.'s site already

Edited May 12, 2011 by rubl

[whybother]

Just because we're in Thailand doesn't mean that we don't see the international press. Some of it even gets reported on ThaiVisa.

And if you read enough of the international press you would see that the blame was spread around. Ofcourse, if you only see what you want to see ...

Edited May 14, 2011 by Lite Beer

[CNXpuuyaibaan]

As the BBC independent correspondent said on News24 'the Democrats have been in power for three years without being elected once' and this is the problem - again we will see the majority choice (receiving the majority votes) being pushed aside by minor parties to form a coalition.

[rubl]

As the BBC independent correspondent said on News24 'the Democrats have been in power for three years without being elected once' and this is the problem - again we will see the majority choice (receiving the majority votes) being pushed aside by minor parties to form a coalition.

Doesn't that go for many coalition governments ?

A majority would be 50.01% or more, the last elections in Thailand in December 2007 didn't show a party with that majority. That's when the minor parties get a change to include 'minority' ideas which might otherwise be ignored, or water down controversial programs. Like the Liberal Democrats in the UK

[Phuket Stan]

As the BBC independent correspondent said on News24 'the Democrats have been in power for three years without being elected once' and this is the problem - again we will see the majority choice (receiving the majority votes) being pushed aside by minor parties to form a coalition.

When was BBC independant.....Rachael Harvey gave the most biased reporting of any media during last year's riots ....if she was on Thaksin's payroll in the Public Relations dept she could not have been more in bed with the Red Shirts....If u want real reporting use Al Jaserah

[whybother]

As the BBC independent correspondent said on News24 'the Democrats have been in power for three years without being elected once' and this is the problem - again we will see the majority choice (receiving the majority votes) being pushed aside by minor parties to form a coalition.

If it's the majority choice, how does it get pushed aside?

Maybe because it WASN'T the majority choice a majority coalition of other parties were able to push them aside.

[timekeeper]

On May 19, the DAAD will host an event to commemorate a one-year anniversary of last year's bloody end to the mass protest at Ratchaprasong Intersection.

And at that day let us not forget our wrongly accused and jailed leader k. Jatuporn. One of our heroes of the heady days of 'peaceful protesters, not terrorists'. With his masterful slogan 'till the last drop of your blood', let's all wear a T-shirt with a Mahatma Ghandi print

it seems that you only listen to the thai media, cuz outside thailand almost everyone knows that the red shirt are not terrorists,everybody also knows that the guy who push the trigger firts was abhisit who gave the oder of firing against the protester,hmmmmm from now on i should read your posts cuz they are very funny

welcome red newbie, back as a re-run? or a genuine newcomer who wanted to wave a red flag?

either way, i see you have dived straight in to the political fray and ignored the hundreds of other fascinating non political posts on Thaivisa

welcome anyway, you have made it clear in your first post, why you are here..............

Edited May 12, 2011 by timekeeper

[brianb1944]

Important correction!

The title of this topic was slightly erroneous in saying 'Red Shirts'. This should have been 'DAAD'. Please accept our apologies for this mishap.

tN

First of all, to whom does the "our" refer to? Secondly, wish you guys would keep to the same rhetoric - didn't it use to be "Red Shirts=DAAD=PTP=Thaksin" or variations on that theme?

Had you been fully awake you might have guessed that the 'our' refers to 'me' as in IMHO.

As for the rhetoric, just adapting to emerging reality. It seems there's this red-shirt faction called DAAD (aka UDD) led by Ms. Thida. Some leaders of her group are PTP MP's or have been made 'party list candicates' for the PTP. On request, after a democratic vote on the issue by k. Thaksin. So 'UDD = PTP = Thaksin'.

There are at least five or six other red-shirt factions who want self-entitlement, self-reliance, be part of the democratic system and progress in society. Those may or may not be PTP members or voters, maybe not even sympathisers.

No I was (and am ) fully awake. WIthout being patronising "our" in English is generally used to refer to the original speaker and another person or persons. "My" as in "my humble opinion" refers to the singular, hence my question, as it appears that you were speaking for people other than yourself.

As for the emerging reality, I'm pleased that you have recognised it. Maybe some of the other, shall we say, less enlightened members, may also recognise and acknowledge the various factions within the Red Shirt movement.

Yup that is patronising, dangerous stuff when done to someone who assumes the royal prerogative

[brianb1944]

On May 19, the DAAD will host an event to commemorate a one-year anniversary of last year's bloody end to the mass protest at Ratchaprasong Intersection.

And at that day let us not forget our wrongly accused and jailed leader k. Jatuporn. One of our heroes of the heady days of 'peaceful protesters, not terrorists'. With his masterful slogan 'till the last drop of your blood', let's all wear a T-shirt with a Mahatma Ghandi print

it seems that you only listen to the thai media, cuz outside thailand almost everyone knows that the red shirt are not terrorists,everybody also knows that the guy who push the trigger firts was abhisit who gave the oder of firing against the protester,hmmmmm from now on i should read your posts cuz they are very funny

welcome red newbie, back as a re-run? or a genuine newcomer who wanted to wave a red flag?

either way, i see you have dived straight in to the political fray and ignored the hundreds of other fascinating non political posts on Thaivisa

welcome anyway, you have made it clear in your first post, why you are here..............

I am at a loss to know why one would stoop to subterfuge to try to influence TV posters who are entirely without influence or a vote in the upcoming conflict? :whistling:

[jdinasia]

Thida asked red-shirt supporters not to accept money from strangers during the election and to refrain from making accusations without substantiating facts or evidence.

This would be new for them, wouldn't it?

With Jatuporn (both a Redshirt leader AND a PTP candidate) in jail there will at lease be one less source of false accusations spouting off

[jdinasia]

As the BBC independent correspondent said on News24 'the Democrats have been in power for three years without being elected once' and this is the problem - again we will see the majority choice (receiving the majority votes) being pushed aside by minor parties to form a coalition.

If it's the majority choice, how does it get pushed aside?

Maybe because it WASN'T the majority choice a majority coalition of other parties were able to push them aside.

Another Fun argument --- that simply doesn't deal with the fact that the MP's represent the voters and the coalition government (like the 2 before it from the same elections) have the backing of the majority of the MP's and hence the majority of the voters. People that think otherwise should look to the recent by-elections to see the backlash against BJT MP's ---- you know the one's that chose NOT to join PTP after PPP was dissolved --- oh wait --- all the BJT MP's won in their constituencies ....

[rubl]

I am at a loss to know why one would stoop to subterfuge to try to influence TV posters who are entirely without influence or a vote in the upcoming conflict? :whistling:

That's a philosophical question, that's unheard of here. Let me check the forum rules, I'm sure there's something in there against it

[khaowong1]

Thida asked red-shirt supporters not to accept money from strangers during the election and to refrain from making accusations without substantiating facts or evidence.

This would be new for them, wouldn't it?

A Thai not accepting money from anyone is asking a little too much. Never happen. Can't you see Somchai, I'm sorry sir, I don't know you, I can't accept your 1000 baht.

[lungmi]

No. it is not a philos...problem.

Some people in the TV forum don't have empty heads.

[lungmi]

No. it is not a philos...problem.

Some people in the TV forum don't have empty heads.

[stoffel45]

On May 19, the DAAD will host an event to commemorate a one-year anniversary of last year's bloody end to the mass protest at Ratchaprasong Intersection.

And at that day let us not forget our wrongly accused and jailed leader k. Jatuporn. One of our heroes of the heady days of 'peaceful protesters, not terrorists'. With his masterful slogan 'till the last drop of your blood', let's all wear a T-shirt with a Mahatma Ghandi print

Sorry Rubi, I think it was Taksin imaging from one of his slave mines in Sierra Leone who video called to the Red Shirts, "I will be behind you till the last drop of your blood!"

[bulmercke]

As the BBC independent correspondent said on News24 'the Democrats have been in power for three years without being elected once' and this is the problem - again we will see the majority choice (receiving the majority votes) being pushed aside by minor parties to form a coalition.

If it's the majority choice, how does it get pushed aside?

Maybe because it WASN'T the majority choice a majority coalition of other parties were able to push them aside.

Another Fun argument --- that simply doesn't deal with the fact that the MP's represent the voters and the coalition government (like the 2 before it from the same elections) have the backing of the majority of the MP's and hence the majority of the voters. People that think otherwise should look to the recent by-elections to see the backlash against BJT MP's ---- you know the one's that chose NOT to join PTP after PPP was dissolved --- oh wait --- all the BJT MP's won in their constituencies ....

Oh wait. You forgot the influence of the pro-Democrat - establishment - elite - judiciary on the make up and outcome of any Pheu Thai majority. They will never allow PTP to govern the country no matter how convincingly they win. And BJT have been bought of - already - if you're interested. Such are the democratic processes in Thailand!

[jdinasia]

Oh wait. You forgot the influence of the pro-Democrat - establishment - elite - judiciary on the make up and outcome of any Pheu Thai majority. They will never allow PTP to govern the country no matter how convincingly they win. And BJT have been bought of - already - if you're interested. Such are the democratic processes in Thailand!

PPP execs were caught cold making political payoffs ... on video. They (PPP) could have called new elections ... but they didn't. As for a "convincing win" --- they certainly didn't have that in 2007 --- and when they lost their coalition partners ... oh well.

Rumors that there was a payoff (the rumor was 40 million Baht-- and not made by the Dems) don't make much sense, now do they? Thaksin could easily out pay anyone else. However, if you have proof that BJT was bought off ... please feel free to post the facts

The current government represents the majority of Thai people ... and again I invite you to look back at the by-elections from not long ago to see how badly BJT was punished for leaving the Thaksin group of proxy parties ---- oh yeah ... they weren't. They won every seat they fielded a candidate for against PTP.

[whybother]

Oh wait. You forgot the influence of the pro-Democrat - establishment - elite - judiciary on the make up and outcome of any Pheu Thai majority. They will never allow PTP to govern the country no matter how convincingly they win. And BJT have been bought of - already - if you're interested. Such are the democratic processes in Thailand!

Do you mean there isn't allowed to be influence.

Why are there election campaigns? Why are there protests? Why are there advertisements?

[hanuman1]

In this country it is power that breeds legitimacy, not the other way around.

The bulk of the red shirt movement - which empowers the PTP - simply wants change. Not an unusual demand during elections the world over.

No surprise then that they will continue activities during the election period. Let's just hope the violent elements are prevented from appearing on the scene.

[Buchholz]

Thida Thawornset, caretaker chairperson of the Democratic Alliance against Dictatorship or DAAD, denied reports that former prime minister and de facto leader of the Pheu Thai Party Thaksin Shinawatra has asked red-shirt supporters not to attend the party's election campaign rallies.

So he did ask for "red-shirt supporters" to "attend the party's election campaign rallies"???

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Edited May 12, 2011 by Buchholz