Australian Owner Charged With Prostitution

[DoctorG]

Most on here would accept that if you are doing something illegal, then you run the risk of arrest. However, most also condemn the selectiveness of these occasional arrests. Most realise that there is no real law and order in LOS, and we just have to accept that too if we want to live here.

[meatboy]

Takings must be pretty piss poor at his bar, dressed like a tramp.

Get some nicer looking girls,

and a 1000 bht as well,should be charged with extortion.

[petercool]

One point worth making, perhaps, is that due to the nature of this forum the news tends to be primarily about farangs.

The arrests of Thais tend not to be newsworthy but would be 100 times the number - at least - and many involve (Thai) undercover operatives or informants. Most countries use those methods.

From much of what I read on this forum, the police are damned if they arrest someone and damned if they don't.

[Basil B]

I assume this bar was not the first bar in in the Soi, so do the police walk past all the others bars with their eyes closed?

Having said that I wonder just how many bars declare all there profits including bar fines on there tax returns?

[RAM8]

I hope the owner and his wife are able to get out of this mess - it has 'setup' written all over it. Billabong bar is a great place for a drink and the staff are very friendly. I always stop by for a drink or one their great breakfasts on my visits to Pattaya. I would hate to see the bar sold to another operator as it would lose a lot of its character. Best wishes to Greg and his wife and all of the staff.

[TenCent]

Obviously, "they" paid the wrong "Bill"

[petercool]

The way it normally works seems to be that someone makes an initial complaint that can be followed up by a sting operation that checks the complaint's truth.

It can be a disgruntled ex-employee, a competitor or a Thai undercover operator who lives by spying out of easy targets or even an official Thai undercover operative.

It is uncertain how it played out in this case but not paying the small monthly stipend to those who collect it is indeed another possibility.

Much is tolerated but a work permit case is just too tempting. The prostitution issue is rarely the main concern unless very openly conducted but, if it can stick, it will.

[TenCent]

The way it normally works seems to be that someone makes an initial complaint that can be followed up by a sting operation that checks the complaint's truth.

It can be a disgruntled ex-employee, a competitor or a Thai undercover operator who lives by spying out of easy targets or even an official Thai undercover operative.

It is uncertain how it played out in this case but not paying the small monthly stipend to those who collect it is indeed another possibility.

Much is tolerated but a work permit case is just too tempting. The prostitution issue is rarely the main concern unless very openly conducted but, if it can stick, it will.

In your mentiones way, it would be too easy to get off nearly all "establishments" - isnt´t it?

true: a missing work permit is too tempting, but this could be easy avoided by doing the right things, like just keep your hands in your pockets and dont touch anything

[terrychris]

As far as im concerned just another racist attack on a Australian bar owner by a the farang volunteer police.

The Irish bars i guess are getting too hard for them.so now they are starting on Aussies.

i hope the owner sorts it out with the volunteer tourist police officer the aussie way.

[ThaiSold]

There are a number of non-Thai undercover agents and volunteers in law enforcement here in Pattaya apart from those who will do something in exchange for getting out of a situation - blackmail if you will.

You can have any opinion you like on the merits of all that.

However, none of that takes away the facts of a man working illegally without a work permit and engaging in prostitution and nowhere in the world is someone else getting away with it an excuse for what you did yourself.

This has to be a joke post yeah?

BTW I dont think he was engaging in prostitution...doubt he would have too many customers.

The law here was selectively enforced whilst the rest of the 3000 odd beer bars are doing the same thing yet nothing is being done.

Farangs that work for the Thais as so called undercover agents are just about as low as you can get. If they really had some sort of conscience they might go down to the beach and act as under cover agents in the jet ski scam!

Who are you to say that Farangs working undercover are low. They do a good job and help out more people than you can imagine. If it wasn't for the tireless efforts of the undercovers and the tourist police who work for nothing by the way, then Thailand would be more lawless than it already is.

The guy broke the law so the only person who is low here is the guy who opened the bar for the sole purpose of flaunting and breaking the law.

[thaicbr]

There are a number of non-Thai undercover agents and volunteers in law enforcement here in Pattaya apart from those who will do something in exchange for getting out of a situation - blackmail if you will.

You can have any opinion you like on the merits of all that.

However, none of that takes away the facts of a man working illegally without a work permit and engaging in prostitution and nowhere in the world is someone else getting away with it an excuse for what you did yourself.

This has to be a joke post yeah?

BTW I dont think he was engaging in prostitution...doubt he would have too many customers.

The law here was selectively enforced whilst the rest of the 3000 odd beer bars are doing the same thing yet nothing is being done.

Farangs that work for the Thais as so called undercover agents are just about as low as you can get. If they really had some sort of conscience they might go down to the beach and act as under cover agents in the jet ski scam!

Who are you to say that Farangs working undercover are low. They do a good job and help out more people than you can imagine. If it wasn't for the tireless efforts of the undercovers and the tourist police who work for nothing by the way, then Thailand would be more lawless than it already is.

The guy broke the law so the only person who is low here is the guy who opened the bar for the sole purpose of flaunting and breaking the law.

I'M THE LAWWWWWWWWWWW.

Jeez the BIB HERE ARE not Judge Dredd....Pattaya is built on people breaking the LAW. But the Police do nothing because they are busy taking bribes...eg breaking the LAW.

So who arrests the Police.............no body.

It's quite telling that the Navy at Sattahip do more Drug enforcment take downs in and around Pattaya than the Police do

Edited July 17, 2011 by thaicbr

[Tolley]

There are a number of non-Thai undercover agents and volunteers in law enforcement here in Pattaya apart from those who will do something in exchange for getting out of a situation - blackmail if you will.

You can have any opinion you like on the merits of all that.

However, none of that takes away the facts of a man working illegally without a work permit and engaging in prostitution and nowhere in the world is someone else getting away with it an excuse for what you did yourself.

This has to be a joke post yeah?

BTW I dont think he was engaging in prostitution...doubt he would have too many customers.

The law here was selectively enforced whilst the rest of the 3000 odd beer bars are doing the same thing yet nothing is being done.

Farangs that work for the Thais as so called undercover agents are just about as low as you can get. If they really had some sort of conscience they might go down to the beach and act as under cover agents in the jet ski scam!

Who are you to say that Farangs working undercover are low. They do a good job and help out more people than you can imagine. If it wasn't for the tireless efforts of the undercovers and the tourist police who work for nothing by the way, then Thailand would be more lawless than it already is.

The guy broke the law so the only person who is low here is the guy who opened the bar for the sole purpose of flaunting and breaking the law.

You're having a laff aren't you mate?

Or maybe you are one of those wannabees doing the ratting on farangs in Pattaya.

The guy broke the law...please...the whole of Pattaya runs on lawbreakers......and if you think these guys are doing anything socially redeeming you are completely deluding yourself.

[newermonkey]

Good... these falangs who think they can just come here and set up any corrupt, illegal, dirty business just because other people do it and it make it all look ok should be given a sentence of 5 years in the temple (not the jail as that would either kill them or make them as bad at the most hardened Thai criminals) sentence them to temple work "as in the west they might be given community work"

I am serious, no joke. He is probably married to a prostitute which may have given him the wrong ideas. :jap:

Edited July 18, 2011 by newermonkey

[Wallaby]

Good... these falangs who think they can just come here and set up any corrupt, illegal, dirty business just because other people do it and it make it all look ok should be given a sentence of 5 years in the temple (not the jail as that would either kill them or make them as bad at the most hardened Thai criminals) sentence them to temple work "as in the west they might be given community work"

I am serious, no joke. He is probably married to a prostitute which may have given him the wrong ideas. :jap:

Are prostitutes not allowed to marry?

I think the only reason the business is corrupt is because they have to pay 'tea money' whether warranted or not, otherwise I would consider the business to be quite above board. As far as I know having a bar isn't illegal (with work permit). 'Dirty'?? Well I rarely go to bars that aren't dirty, where is the fun in that.

Are you a godbotherer?

[jippytum]

YES PROBABLY A RIVAL BAR OWNER NON THE LESS DEPORTATION AND MORE AWAITS

[dogtim]

Just out of curiosity, anyone know what's happened to the 'bar owner' ? Has he paid enough to get make the 'problem' go away, out on bail or locked up?

[jippytum]

Thank you for your correction .

Edited July 18, 2011 by Rimmer
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[SantiSuk]

Dunno why many are so prissy. Personally after a lifetime of working as a staid professional and living a blameless comfortable life the thought of living on the edge (possible deportation, possible death) and owning a brothel in the world's most sinful city sounds quite appealing

Don't do it mate. I did and recently extracted myself from the same. Freshly showered and presentable again. Far less stressed as well.

I 'aint got the balls to do it anyway Smokie

[ExpatDave]

Good... these falangs who think they can just come here and set up any corrupt, illegal, dirty business just because other people do it and it make it all look ok should be given a sentence of 5 years in the temple (not the jail as that would either kill them or make them as bad at the most hardened Thai criminals) sentence them to temple work "as in the west they might be given community work"

I am serious, no joke. He is probably married to a prostitute which may have given him the wrong ideas. :jap:

Judge not.......

[gamini]

There are a number of non-Thai undercover agents and volunteers in law enforcement here in Pattaya apart from those who will do something in exchange for getting out of a situation - blackmail if you will.

You can have any opinion you like on the merits of all that.

However, none of that takes away the facts of a man working illegally without a work permit and engaging in prostitution and nowhere in the world is someone else getting away with it an excuse for what you did yourself.

This has to be a joke post yeah?

BTW I dont think he was engaging in prostitution...doubt he would have too many customers.

The law here was selectively enforced whilst the rest of the 3000 odd beer bars are doing the same thing yet nothing is being done.

Farangs that work for the Thais as so called undercover agents are just about as low as you can get. If they really had some sort of conscience they might go down to the beach and act as under cover agents in the jet ski scam!

Who are you to say that Farangs working undercover are low. They do a good job and help out more people than you can imagine. If it wasn't for the tireless efforts of the undercovers and the tourist police who work for nothing by the way, then Thailand would be more lawless than it already is.

The guy broke the law so the only person who is low here is the guy who opened the bar for the sole purpose of flaunting and breaking the law.

I agree with you. I think most of those who replied own bar brothels themselves. Selling sex whether it be Farang or Thai is the lowest form of life. I depise my Brut compatriots who indulge in this kind of thing.

[a99az]

WOW! Who would believe it.

[thaicbr]

There are a number of non-Thai undercover agents and volunteers in law enforcement here in Pattaya apart from those who will do something in exchange for getting out of a situation - blackmail if you will.

You can have any opinion you like on the merits of all that.

However, none of that takes away the facts of a man working illegally without a work permit and engaging in prostitution and nowhere in the world is someone else getting away with it an excuse for what you did yourself.

This has to be a joke post yeah?

BTW I dont think he was engaging in prostitution...doubt he would have too many customers.

The law here was selectively enforced whilst the rest of the 3000 odd beer bars are doing the same thing yet nothing is being done.

Farangs that work for the Thais as so called undercover agents are just about as low as you can get. If they really had some sort of conscience they might go down to the beach and act as under cover agents in the jet ski scam!

Who are you to say that Farangs working undercover are low. They do a good job and help out more people than you can imagine. If it wasn't for the tireless efforts of the undercovers and the tourist police who work for nothing by the way, then Thailand would be more lawless than it already is.

The guy broke the law so the only person who is low here is the guy who opened the bar for the sole purpose of flaunting and breaking the law.

I agree with you. I think most of those who replied own bar brothels themselves. Selling sex whether it be Farang or Thai is the lowest form of life. I depise my Brut compatriots who indulge in this kind of thing.

You talk as if these women are kept in chains and forced to do it... It's a commodity that they sell. And they do not have to be working in a bar to do it.. On the Thai singles websites there are many women doing the same thing,

And fella it is far more common in Thai life that you can imagine. pretty much every town or village in Thailand has karaoke bars. And some of the girls can't sing for toffee but they still earn money ....HOW.....

[FarangBuddha]

I am going to through my 2c worth in. I agree with most of what is said here. How foolish this was. Was anyone harmed? were any Thai nationals gunned down in the street? Be a hooker in the western sex industry is just about a good a job as 1/2 the women in Thailand can hope for. The jet ski scam would be a useful place for good police work to start, but lets be a little controversial, how about noting as a crime lack of childhood vaccinations in Thailand. What if the Thai government took responsibility for the abandoned children and single mothers in the country? There are lots of ways Thailand can be improved, arresting one odd ball Australian is not one of them.

But it's a good start!

[manarak]

Wow...didn't he know that prostitution is illegal in Thailand

Pimping is - the thread title is wrong, as it is so often on TV.

[gregj69]

Hello

Everyone is out and the businesses are still running. Obviously, for legal reasons I cannot and don't want to comment on the details of the situation or the rumours but I would very much like to thank those people who have supported me.

Hope to have a cold beer with you all soon.

Greg and the gang at Billabong.

[Dag]

I agree with you. I think most of those who replied own bar brothels themselves. Selling sex whether it be Farang or Thai is the lowest form of life. I depise my Brut compatriots who indulge in this kind of thing.

So you rate rapists, murderers, pedo's, child killers, kidnappers and as an example...the indian guy that recently killed his 6 daughters as an honour killing.....you rate them all as better human beings that people that sell sex ??

You are one classy guy.

[SteeleJoe]

So you rate rapists, murderers, pedo's, child killers, kidnappers and as an example...the indian guy that recently killed his 6 daughters as an honour killing...

Sorry but he was Pakistani -- altogether different.