Oil Deal: Thaksin To Visit Cambodia

[bristolgeoff]

he is getting his foot in the door before he gets what he wants.freedom to return too thailand and steal from the people again

[lovelomsak]

Again.

Accept who got elected by the people and who is the unwanted one.

Its simple.

I accept that PTP got into government after getting 53% of the seats with votes from 48% of the voters.

I don't accept the lies that the "majority of the people" voted for PTP or, relevant for this discussion, that "the majority of the Thai people" believe "that Thaksin cares deeply about the country".

What is it guys like you just donot understand about voting. It is only the people that vote who decide on the outcome . Of those that voted accept the winner and leave it at that you guys sound like kids in the playground. With that understanding accept who won and be men enough to work upward and onward.

[armstrongthai]

It kind of goes back to much of what I was saying about whether or not Thailand would have been better off if Thaksin hadn't been ousted - I'm sure many of his plans to bring economic advancement to Thailand have suffered a 5 year set-back. Of course he was on it in 2006 and the fact that nothing has been done while he was curtailed tells you all you need to know about the effectiveness of the previous administration. How many other opportunities have they missed? There's a few I heard of which may be controversial including casinos for Phuket and land ownership for foreigners in restricted areas, both of which would have brought huge sums to Thailand but what else Thaksin had planned we'll never know - opportunities have passed and Thailand is undoubtedly worse off.

A lot of posters can't get their heads around the fact that while Thaksin as a businessman most certainly increased his wealth (some have mentioned the US in comparison to Thailand on today's thread - check out how much both father and son Bush made privately while holding office and talk about a conflict of interest) he also brought unparalleled prosperity to ALL Thai people, which is why he is still so popular with most and yet reviled and feared by the selfish elitists who care not for equality. What they fail to see is that everyone has lost during the past 5 years with Thailand's reputation tatters abroad. Germany, Japan (Hong Kong, Dubai) and even Interpol have clearly shown what they think of the politically motivated charges brought against Thaksin. Drop the old bias endless criticising, give the guy a bit of room to maneuver and watch as the country is rewarded richly.

Fair enough and agreed that it's off topic but it got that way starting off with a series of (childish?) Thaksin bashing comments. The oil deal is purely to line Thaksin's pockets and of no benefit to Thailand...really? Who's talking cr*p??

Another source quoted a few pages ago which is not from Thailand seems to suggest the same thing and also suggests the deal was struck in 2006....so if you would care to draw your fixation away from Thaksin and his merry little band of red shirts for a few seconds and read that, you might get another perspective.

A lot of posters are suggesting Thaksin would get into a deal like this to line his pockets, so instead of going into a red shirt/yellow, Thaksin diatribe all the time, please put forward some constructive suggestions of why you think this preception of old square heads intentions is wrong, obviously commenting on the possible conflict of interest in a deal like this, seeing as his sister (or clone whichever you prefer) is the prime minister of Thailand...

[rametindallas]

I do not believe in fairy tales, so please show me one action that Thaksin has made where his own personal enrichment hasn't been the primary motivator and final target, then I may start to.

Still waiting..... think I'll make lunch.

The Shinawatra University?

http://www.siu.ac.th/

Don't forget the rubber tree scam plan to help the poor farmers or the easy credit they're drowning in

[armstrongthai]

It is truly unbelievably how far you'll stoop to dig out a grain of negativity - you asked for an example of something he did not solely to benefit himself and you got it. An educational institute. Yes it bears his name in the same way as Bill Gate's charity, Bill Clinton's library and thousands of other examples. There's definitely a stink of jealousy around this thread - can't see success with out finding reason to knock it.

He spend billions of baht on it. What you think how much he got back?

His got his ego stroked, personages such as himself love to see their name in lights, very typical character traits of control freeks and self respecting meglomaniacs...

[metisdead]

A number of off topic baiting/troll posts have been removed.

[YellowFeverCAD]

he also brought unparalleled prosperity to ALL Thai people, which is why he is still so popular with most and yet reviled and feared by the selfish elitists who care not for equality. What they fail to see is that everyone has lost during the past 5 years with Thailand's reputation tatters abroad.

Really? You honestly live here in Thailand and you can honestly say with a straight face that you think ALL Thai were better off because of Thaksin? Are you talking about short lived credit and medical policies that were bankrupting hospitals.. if not can you please give me some concrete examples of your claims.

Thailands reputation is in tatters because ONE group of Elite is fighting another group of Elite and the common Thai is getting nothing tangible and long term out of the deal from either. You would know this if you weren't so busy calling anyone that disagrees with you Yellow/Thaksin/Childish....

I don't support the Dem either my family here did not vote 1 or 10 so please put your broad brush away.. there are many people MANY millions of people that do NOT want Thaksin back... even if you don't believe it.

[whybother]

The Shinawatra University?

http://www.siu.ac.th/

If you are not just a troll, care to explain what is so funny?

I'm just surprised that you think Thaksin didn't set up the university for his own benefit.

[whybother]

Again.

Accept who got elected by the people and who is the unwanted one.

Its simple.

I accept that PTP got into government after getting 53% of the seats with votes from 48% of the voters.

I don't accept the lies that the "majority of the people" voted for PTP or, relevant for this discussion, that "the majority of the Thai people" believe "that Thaksin cares deeply about the country".

What is it guys like you just donot understand about voting. It is only the people that vote who decide on the outcome . Of those that voted accept the winner and leave it at that you guys sound like kids in the playground. With that understanding accept who won and be men enough to work upward and onward.

Yes. And that still doesn't make it that "the majority of the people" voted for PTP.

The PTP won the election with 48% of the vote. Can you accept that that isn't the "majority of the Thai people" or even a majority of the people that vote?

[rubl]

OP: Thaksin will help negotiate with Cambodia on a plan for joint development of a petroleum venture in the Gulf of Thailand where both countries claim the rights. He wants state-run PTT to have a stake in the oil-and-gas concession or enter a joint venture with Cambodia, the source said.

Thaksin has asked Energy Minister Pichai Naripthaphan to cooperate with Cambodia on the energy deal, the source said.

Even though in another topic my dear friend samurai said "An oil deal for the government? Is that bad?" it can't be true. Our PM Yingluck insisted there's no link between her brother and the Thai government.

If there's an oil deal to be made over the Gulf of Thailand where claims overlap it would require government-to-government memorandums. It's a matter of sovereignty which doesn't allow private persons (or fugitive criminals) to be involved.

(edit: add: in preparations private persons may be involved, but that would be low key, rather secretive, in order to avoid too many looking on to what's happening. Diplomacy doesn't work with open microphones or flamboyant persons involved.)

Edited August 17, 2011 by rubl

[rubl]

While on his trip in Cambodia and being a private person k. Thaksin may ask his good friend Hun Sen for the release of k. Veera Somkwamkid and k. Ratree Pipattanapaiboon.

"Posted 2011-04-04 15:55:36

Veera, Ratree families ask ex-PM Thaksin, opposition Puea Thai party to help free both from Cambodian jail; deny conflict with government but want pair back after four months with no progress /MCOT"

On the other hand with k. Thaksin not being related to either Pheu Thai or the Thai government, may be we should wait for this

"Posted 2011-07-12 14:52:11

Source: Cambodia to Free Thais When Pheu Thai Party Takes Office

The Pheu Thai International Delegation is planning an official meeting with the leader of Cambodia after forming the next government.

The source said that recently, a senior party member, not Thaksin Shinnawatra, met with Cambodia PM Hun Sen.

The delegation tried to persuade Cambodia to release Veera Somkwamkid and Ratree Pipattanapaiboon, who have been imprisoned in Cambodia for more than 6 months on charges of trespassing and espionage."

[Thaddeus]

It kind of goes back to much of what I was saying about whether or not Thailand would have been better off if Thaksin hadn't been ousted - I'm sure many of his plans to bring economic advancement to Thailand have suffered a 5 year set-back. Of course he was on it in 2006 and the fact that nothing has been done while he was curtailed tells you all you need to know about the effectiveness of the previous administration.

Yep, nothing has been done..... it may have escaped your attention that Thailand is in a better financial situation right now, because the previous administration creamed less off the top than the one before them...... expect change, loose change, real soon.

[Siam Simon]

It kind of goes back to much of what I was saying about whether or not Thailand would have been better off if Thaksin hadn't been ousted - I'm sure many of his plans to bring economic advancement to Thailand have suffered a 5 year set-back. Of course he was on it in 2006 and the fact that nothing has been done while he was curtailed tells you all you need to know about the effectiveness of the previous administration.

Yep, nothing has been done..... it may have escaped your attention that Thailand is in a better financial situation right now, because the previous administration creamed less off the top than the one before them...... expect change, loose change, real soon.

Can you please provide the financial figures that you obviously have for yearly amounts creamed off the top by governments in recent years?

[Soutpeel]

If there's an oil deal to be made over the Gulf of Thailand where claims overlap it would require government-to-government memorandums. It's a matter of sovereignty which doesn't allow private persons (or fugitive criminals) to be involved.

Yeap...So seeing as the esteemed PM has stated there is no connection between with old squarehead and the Thai goverment, his involvement in any O&G deal can only be for personal gain. as I have said on previous occassions this would be a situation of conflict of interest, and even "insider trading"

Of course our rabid and blind Thaksinites will not believe any of this until his name turns up as a shareholder in Thai/Khmer JVC set to operate this lease.

I would hazard a guess and suggest he is setting up his pension fund, and doing it now before he comes back to Thailand

[Thaddeus]

It kind of goes back to much of what I was saying about whether or not Thailand would have been better off if Thaksin hadn't been ousted - I'm sure many of his plans to bring economic advancement to Thailand have suffered a 5 year set-back. Of course he was on it in 2006 and the fact that nothing has been done while he was curtailed tells you all you need to know about the effectiveness of the previous administration.

Yep, nothing has been done..... it may have escaped your attention that Thailand is in a better financial situation right now, because the previous administration creamed less off the top than the one before them...... expect change, loose change, real soon.

Can you please provide the financial figures that you obviously have for yearly amounts creamed off the top by governments in recent years?

Nope, can you?

But figures for Thailand's overall financial situation are there for anyone to find with not much effort required, and the country just happens to be better off now than it was three or four years ago, while a global financial meltdown has been going on..... how did that happen?

[Ricardo]

Can you please provide the financial figures that you obviously have for yearly amounts creamed off the top by governments in recent years?

Nope, can you?

But figures for Thailand's overall financial situation are there for anyone to find with not much effort required, and the country just happens to be better off now than it was three or four years ago, while a global financial meltdown has been going on..... how did that happen?

Clearly former-PM Thaksin has been working for Thailand all along, to boost its economy despite his own personal concerns over not being able to put food on-the-table for his own family, and all that P.R.-guff about diamond-trading & running-lotteries & Manchester-City F.C. was just false-propaganda, put out by a fake-Thaksin & his hamster !

[metisdead]

An inflammatory off topic post has been removed.

[webfact]

Thaksin Cancels Trip to Cambodia

Former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra has decided to cancel his trip to Cambodia, according to his legal advisor Noppadol Pattama. He was previously scheduled to visit the country between August 19 and 21 before heading to Japan. Reports indicated that he intended to discuss with the Cambodian government the sharing of rich gas reserves in the Gulf of Thailand.

-- Tan Network 2011-08-18

[JetsetBkk]

Thaksin Cancels Trip to Cambodia

Former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra has decided to cancel his trip to Cambodia, according to his legal advisor Noppadol Pattama. He was previously scheduled to visit the country between August 19 and 21 before heading to Japan. Reports indicated that he intended to discuss with the Cambodian government the sharing of rich gas reserves in the Gulf of Thailand.

-- Tan Network 2011-08-18

Did Thaksin hear that Buchholz was on his way there?

[whybother]

Thaksin Cancels Trip to Cambodia

Former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra has decided to cancel his trip to Cambodia, according to his legal advisor Noppadol Pattama. He was previously scheduled to visit the country between August 19 and 21 before heading to Japan. Reports indicated that he intended to discuss with the Cambodian government the sharing of rich gas reserves in the Gulf of Thailand.

At least now he is aware of the trip and admits it was going to take place.

[jitenshaman]

From the yellows taking over the airports to the reds in the streets, from the removal of democracy, the damaged reputation of Thailand abroad, tourists staying away and the division throughout Thai society. All because (in my opinion) one sector couldn't handle Thaksin's success and being powerful enough, would go to any length to stop him. Thaksin's govt may have had it's flaws (has any in the world not!?) but what's been done to this country in the name of 'putting it right' is insane.

Are you suggesting this deal will not benefit Thailand enormously?!

Are you suggesting that Thaksin won't be taking a cut?

The removal of democracy??? Try reading up on the censorship of the media during Thaksin's reign. Try reading up on the extrajudicial killings of 2000 suspected drug dealers. Try reading up on Tak Bai. And no, extrajudicial killings on such a mass level are not a "flaw," they are extreme violations of human rights and usually a lot more aligned with the word dictator rather than democracy.

[Soutpeel]

Thaksin Cancels Trip to Cambodia

Former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra has decided to cancel his trip to Cambodia, according to his legal advisor Noppadol Pattama. He was previously scheduled to visit the country between August 19 and 21 before heading to Japan. Reports indicated that he intended to discuss with the Cambodian government the sharing of rich gas reserves in the Gulf of Thailand.

-- Tan Network 2011-08-18

Busted......

[AleG]

Thaksin Cancels Trip to Cambodia

Former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra has decided to cancel his trip to Cambodia, according to his legal advisor Noppadol Pattama. He was previously scheduled to visit the country between August 19 and 21 before heading to Japan. Reports indicated that he intended to discuss with the Cambodian government the sharing of rich gas reserves in the Gulf of Thailand.

At least now he is aware of the trip and admits it was going to take place.

"I have no knowledge in the matter, however I can say for a fact that there never was a trip planned, furthermore the trip that was never planned and I had no knowledge about has been cancelled."

It's like a pathetic real version of a Marx Brothers movie, isn't it?

[Buchholz]

Thaksin Cancels Trip to Cambodia

Former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra has decided to cancel his trip to Cambodia, according to his legal advisor Noppadol Pattama. He was previously scheduled to visit the country between August 19 and 21 before heading to Japan. Reports indicated that he intended to discuss with the Cambodian government the sharing of rich gas reserves in the Gulf of Thailand.

-- Tan Network 2011-08-18

Did Thaksin hear that Buchholz was on his way there?

Now, if only that would work for his avoidance of Thailand.

[webfact]

Thaksin not going to Cambodia: legal adviser

By The Nation

Former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra will not travel to Cambodia as speculated although his trip to Japan is confirmed, his legal adviser Noppadon Pattama said on Thursday.

"Thaksin is scheduled to visit Japan from Monday to Friday," he said.

Noppadon said the Democrat Party should verify the facts related to Thaksin's visa before initiating an impeachment proceedings against Foreign Minister Surapong Towichakchaikul.

"Don't try to implicate Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra," he said in reference to the allegation that Surapong had Yingluck's backing to request a special entry for her brother Thaksin.

He said the main opposition party should focus on monitoring the government performance instead of being obsessed with Thaksin's movement.

-- The Nation 2011-08-18

[slapout]

Two different versions of what this motor mouth said. Did he cancel or was the trip a rumor? Maybe the opposition have found a way to define his travel plans, just threaten impeachment proceedings. They have his travel plans????, for the next few days, maybe they can arrange a welcoming committee.

[rubl]

Thaksin not going to Cambodia: legal adviser

By The Nation

Former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra will not travel to Cambodia as speculated although his trip to Japan is confirmed, his legal adviser Noppadon Pattama said on Thursday.

"Thaksin is scheduled to visit Japan from Monday to Friday," he said.

Noppadon said the Democrat Party should verify the facts related to Thaksin's visa before initiating an impeachment proceedings against Foreign Minister Surapong Towichakchaikul.

"Don't try to implicate Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra," he said in reference to the allegation that Surapong had Yingluck's backing to request a special entry for her brother Thaksin.

He said the main opposition party should focus on monitoring the government performance instead of being obsessed with Thaksin's movement.

-- The Nation 2011-08-18

'not travel to Cambodia as speculated'? That probably means we can't trust anyone anymore, not even a PTP source who provided a rather detailed itinerary. Of course it's entirely possible that a balloon was let go to test the possible reactions, wouldn't be the first time these last months. Somehow all related to k. Thaksin, no surprise as 'Thaksin thinks, Pheu Thai acts'. Only the government and therefor cabinet members should stay out of this. Now that's were the problems started, government requested visa said a Japanese official officially. As for monitoring the governments performance, it's either only related to k. Thaksin, or it's a case of 'too early', 'wait and see', 'give us six months'.