German In The Charge Of Drug Dealing

[Boater]

They found the scapegoat.

More clear now?

i wouldnt use the term Scapegoat......

He was, after all set up by another ferang... not a Thai who wanted him nailed so there trade would expand

it is a risk you need to take in the drug dealing and manufacturing of drugs trade, that somebody will always be looking to turn you in and take over your trade

Dealing and producing drugs in Thailand has to be the most stupidest thing you could do here, as it not if but when you will be caught ( unless you are a massive transnational drugs dealer, but even then you get caught one day )

Yes they maybe making an example out of him, but good, it might bring some fear to the next ferang that selling a bit of ice will get you 99 years in the monkey house

He was caught red handed, and there will be another person taking over from him no doubt, but that is the way the world works, be it here, uk or USA

[Tropicalevo]

lol@ police setting an "elaborate trap" to catch this schmuck. forget about him he's obviously lost. he should be thankful this happened because it's probably the best thing that ever happened to his son.

I have to say that I agree with Joe and boater on this one.

The photo in the paper looks like a factory - not someone's 'home cooking'.

and Joe is right - tough on the kid now - but for goodness sake, growing up in that lot! How could a parent put their child in harms way like that ?

[BangrakBob]

How could a parent put their child in harms way like that ?

By being a drug addict I'd say.

Meth is a most horrid drug, what it does to people mentally and physically in a very short period of time is frightening. People who are addicted to this drug can get some serious psychosis combined with super-human strength when felling threatened, very dangerous combination.

[smokie36]

Has the chemistry teacher had his collar felt as well?.....He certainly seems to have disappeared....

[BigC]

How could a parent put their child in harms way like that ?

By being a drug addict I'd say.

Meth is a most horrid drug, what it does to people mentally and physically in a very short period of time is frightening. People who are addicted to this drug can get some serious psychosis combined with super-human strength when felling threatened, very dangerous combination.

meth was used in the 2 world war to give germer soldier more energy to fight day and night. orginalted i think in Japan.

Then later it became a recreational use drug. destroying people bank accounts and ruining east Asia's sociaty.

SPecially Thailand.

Thai's use MEth to work longer hours and get paid more. though after there bodies become torlerent to the drug then they end up working to support their own habbit.

from this picture it looked like this person was feeding other peoples habbits as to make a factury like that he would have had to have learned how to do it. i reckon he must have been doing this for a long time.

probably used to make exctasy in europe when it was the trend.

I have no sypothy for this man. If he escapes the death penalty then luck for him but for me i don't give a monkey's.....

coming here and dealing is one thing. coming here and make a factury is just pushing the boat out too far.

the op done a good jjob of promoting this stroy.

now the press have picked it up and this might hit the national news as they would love a story like this. Now he is stuck and i would forget about using money just barging for less of a 99 year sentence.

be interesting if he could make bail.

if so he could be out already

[BigC]

as for the 9 year old kid. imagine when he goes to the kitchen to get a drink. we would be buggered if he wanted to use the micro wave. the frige is ful of other stuff and i think he wouldn't dare ask his dad if they have any ice in the fridge

[Tropicalevo]

he wouldn't dare ask his dad if they have any ice in the fridge

It's a cracker

[limbos]

How could a parent put their child in harms way like that ?

By being a drug addict I'd say.

Meth is a most horrid drug, what it does to people mentally and physically in a very short period of time is frightening. People who are addicted to this drug can get some serious psychosis combined with super-human strength when felling threatened, very dangerous combination.

meth was used in the 2 world war to give germer soldier more energy to fight day and night. orginalted i think in Japan.

Then later it became a recreational use drug. destroying people bank accounts and ruining east Asia's sociaty.

SPecially Thailand.

Thai's use MEth to work longer hours and get paid more. though after there bodies become torlerent to the drug then they end up working to support their own habbit.

from this picture it looked like this person was feeding other peoples habbits as to make a factury like that he would have had to have learned how to do it. i reckon he must have been doing this for a long time.

probably used to make exctasy in europe when it was the trend.

I have no sypothy for this man. If he escapes the death penalty then luck for him but for me i don't give a monkey's.....

coming here and dealing is one thing. coming here and make a factury is just pushing the boat out too far.

the op done a good jjob of promoting this stroy.

now the press have picked it up and this might hit the national news as they would love a story like this. Now he is stuck and i would forget about using money just barging for less of a 99 year sentence.

be interesting if he could make bail.

if so he could be out already

Metamphetamine was used in WWII for the first time on a larger scale, by both axis and Allied forces although it became rather known as a drug used by the Luftwaffe personnel. First time synthesized way back in 1893 in Japan.

This drug does horrible things to human beings, psychologically and physically.

[Boater]

he wouldn't dare ask his dad if they have any ice in the fridge

It's a cracker

[angiud]

I'm not expert, but I think you confuse amphetamine with methamphetamine, not exactly the same stuff.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphetamine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methamphetamine

[BangrakBob]

I'm not expert, but I think you confuse amphetamine with methamphetamine, not exactly the same stuff.

Yes they are, although amphetamine/speed is a a dirty drug, it is not in the same league as meth/ice, ice is speed on steriods

[limbos]

Keed spills

Pill skeeds

Skill Peeds.

Uh...................................

[BangrakBob]

I'm not expert, but I think you confuse amphetamine with methamphetamine, not exactly the same stuff.

Yes they are, although amphetamine/speed is a a dirty drug, it is not in the same league as meth/ice, ice is speed on steriods

Apparently it was used by the Germans in WWII, and was administered to Hitler from 42 to 45, i stand corrected

[mrkrabs]

No i am still here and not going to hide somewhere. As i already said i have nothing to hide here.

And now i know even more truth but can not share with you, people, sorry.

It is really up to everyone to think what they want. When you know the truth and know that it is useless to assure anyone who does not really care.

My good friend always told me NOT to judge anything until one knows all backgrounds.

I am anyhow still here waiting when actually someone will give a really good advise! Not just b***ing around!!

Has the chemistry teacher had his collar felt as well?.....He certainly seems to have disappeared....

[BangrakBob]

No i am still here and not going to hide somewhere. As i already said i have nothing to hide here.

And now i know even more truth but can not share with you, people, sorry.

It is really up to everyone to think what they want. When you know the truth and know that it is useless to assure anyone who does not really care.

My good friend always told me NOT to judge anything until one knows all backgrounds.

I am anyhow still here waiting when actually someone will give a really good advise! Not just b***ing around!!

Has the chemistry teacher had his collar felt as well?.....He certainly seems to have disappeared....

mrkrabs, it looks like your friend had a drug lab for distribution, his physical condition does not suggestion he was an addict himself he wouldn't have any weight on him or be in any condition to be cooking up drugs. People don't build elaborate systems to service addiction they do so to distribute and don't touch the stuff themselves. I might be wrong but that's how it appears and unfortunately I highly doubt you'll find too many people here who will want to offer good advice.

It's pretty black and white really, he needs a good lawyer with some money, if he can't get that he's pretty much screwed and even if he could he is most likely still screwed

i admire you sticking by your friend but sometimes you need to look out for yourself

[SteeleJoe]

the bloke deserves to hang ! he is lucky under old taksin law he could already be dead by now.

Perhaps you mean old Thaksin policies? Because the only difference between then and now that I'm aware of was the extent of the extra-judicial killings. And that is -- by definition -- NOT "law". (This is more than a nitpick; if you think more drug dealers dying under Thaksin was a good thing, then you are approving of something that was by definition illegal -- and in the most fundamental and extreme ways anti-ethical and destructive of any semblance of a just or democratic society).

[itishothere]

the bloke deserves to hang ! he is lucky under old taksin law he could already be dead by now.

Perhaps you mean old Thaksin policies? Because the only difference between then and now that I'm aware of was the extent of the extra-judicial killings. And that is -- by definition -- NOT "law". (This is more than a nitpick; if you think more drug dealers dying under Thaksin was a good thing, then you are approving of something that was by definition illegal -- and in the most fundamental and extreme ways anti-ethical and destructive of any semblance of a just or democratic society).

Whatever

I'm all in favour of drug dealers being dealt with within the law. Be that the death penalty or very long sentences.

[angiud]

I don't like this "Hang 'Em High" tendency in Thaivisa.

Stench of lynching

[SteeleJoe]

the bloke deserves to hang ! he is lucky under old taksin law he could already be dead by now.

Perhaps you mean old Thaksin policies? Because the only difference between then and now that I'm aware of was the extent of the extra-judicial killings. And that is -- by definition -- NOT "law". (This is more than a nitpick; if you think more drug dealers dying under Thaksin was a good thing, then you are approving of something that was by definition illegal -- and in the most fundamental and extreme ways anti-ethical and destructive of any semblance of a just or democratic society).

Whatever

I'm all in favour of drug dealers being dealt with within the law. Be that the death penalty or very long sentences.

Whatever? Very insightful. The emoticon was especially intelligent.

"Within the law" was exactly what I was talking about (as should have been obvious). The law under Thaksin wasn't any different than what exists now. The (alleged) difference was that his government used means outside the law. Means which are inherently damaging to Thailand and should be repugnant to any enlightened thinker in favor of a democratic society protected by the law rather than persecuted by it; one which may include long sentences and/or a death penalty or not -- as long as there is judicial process.

[matt111]

It is really up to everyone to think what they want. When you know the truth and know that it is useless to assure anyone who does not really care.

My good friend always told me NOT to judge anything until one knows all backgrounds.

I am anyhow still here waiting when actually someone will give a really good advise! Not just b***ing around!!

yes it is

Edited September 1, 2011 by matt111

[matt111]

I am anyhow still here waiting when actually someone will give a really good advise! Not just b***ing around!!

good advice: stop embrassing yourself, change friends, and be careful of the company you keep in future. disclaimer: i almost defended your friend based on the story you sold..

Edited September 1, 2011 by matt111

[smokie36]

No i am still here and not going to hide somewhere. As i already said i have nothing to hide here.

And now i know even more truth but can not share with you, people, sorry.

It is really up to everyone to think what they want. When you know the truth and know that it is useless to assure anyone who does not really care.

My good friend always told me NOT to judge anything until one knows all backgrounds.

I am anyhow still here waiting when actually someone will give a really good advise! Not just b***ing around!!

Has the chemistry teacher had his collar felt as well?.....He certainly seems to have disappeared....

"Backgrounds" here seem unimportant at this point. Your friend has been caught selling methamphetamine as well as producing it for sale.

His case has now been reported in the local press and time is not on his side. If you really think he's going to find himself freed and delared innocent then you are truly deluded.

I assume the new "information" has been provided by your friend. It won't matter a jot in court. The word of the police will be held in far higher regard than anything you or your friend have to say.

We have all seen the pictures in the newspaper....surely you're not still saying he is innocent?

Tell him to get a good lawyer and walk away...its the best advice you will get. In my opinion you're friend is going to be serving 7-10 in a Thai jail and then a couple of years back home.

If you truly want to help then send him money each month and visit him when you can.

[itishothere]

one which may include long sentences and/or a death penalty or not -- as long as there is judicial process.

Agreed.

[BigC]

I am anyhow still here waiting when actually someone will give a really good advise! Not just b***ing around!!

good advice: stop embrassing yourself, change friends, and be careful of the company you keep in future. disclaimer: i almost defended your friend based on the story you sold..

you do realise that as a forang following him round the police station is actually hindering him.

u have done everything wrong from what i can see.

1st u put his story on a national news website. u did not do a good job trying to keep a lid on his arrest.

2nd U hung around him like a bad small infront of all the police. i doubt u have experience with talking to thai police specially in this situation which probably would have landed him is worse trouble.

3rd u should have been looking for a local reckomended thai lawyer.

4th if there is money to be paid then with u as a forigner would make it triple what the going rate is.

5th u r still on here. Noone is asking u to hide. just keep a low profile.

as for advise if u can get a respectable lawyer then i would try to push for bail. find out how much the bail money is. i am not sure how much for drug possesssion. then get a trusted thai to pay it. when he goes to court the bail money will be refunded to the person who put up the bail money. if the lawyer trys to give u a story then he is lying.

the bail money gets paid in a check and if the bail bonds man or woman has the same bank account as the check then they can cash it striaght away. if u r worried about it bouncing. then i suggest u open an account the same day u get the check back.

there are many ways u can go.

but if i was you i would keep your head down and run around behinde the scenes looking for good lawyers to help you.

u should have come on here and just simply asked. " does anyone know a good lawyer that handles criminal matters ?"

that should have been it. seems like your blabber mouth and your thoughless writing has probably put him into more trouble.

if i was ever in trouble then i would not like u to help me.

unless u r a troll and areactually trying to strich him up cause it doesn't look good from where i am sitting.

how long have u been here. have u hadany experience with the system ? do u know other people that have ?

as other people said it looks too late now. once u r in the police book and in the press then from here iw ould be trying to raise bail money and it culd be quite allot so if u have allot of money then u might want to put it into that.

i am not sure about the law with drug arrests with bail but i think that u can make bail in the police station or in the court.

it might be years before the case gets to court so it would be benificail for him to get out asap. work on his drug problem and work with lawyers and people to fight the case. either way fro now on it will be very costly and cheaper to stay in jail.

thats about all the advise i can give you.

there is a book u can buy called thai law for foreigners if i was u i would buy a copy of it.

[allibis69]

Sorry for your friend I believe when you use this kind of substence your mind can't be clear. Now you was asking for advices: 1: The reality is your friend is in deep deep shit. For this kind of offence there is only 2 sentence possible: life or dead! In the case he plead guilty he will get life and could be send back to his country after he serve 8 years in Thailand, after what happen there is another matter that you can't predict from now. If he plead not guilty and lose his case they will probably not execute him but the procedure will take longer to send him back Germany and to be releaseable. From what I know I don't see a possibility to win his case, unless...For taking a lawyer I don't see the point as the minimum sentence is life. he will get it automaticly if he plead guilty. I will said this kind of case the lawyer dream for, they will make you to hope for finaly after eating all your money get what you could have get from the beginning without their help. Anyway if you wish to take a lawyer avoid lawyer from koh pangan or koh samui there are not criminal lawyer, if you look their business card they are good anything you need. How possible! My advices do not take lawyer from Bangkok either but look for Surat Thani lawyer who do only criminal case . There is some that I know but they not speak english. I'm sure it will value to spend a bit for a translator.Good luck

[Tropicalevo]

Sorry for your friend I believe when you use this kind of substence your mind can't be clear. Now you was asking for advices: 1: The reality is your friend is in deep deep shit. For this kind of offence there is only 2 sentence possible: life or dead! In the case he plead guilty he will get life and could be send back to his country after he serve 8 years in Thailand, after what happen there is another matter that you can't predict from now. If he plead not guilty and lose his case they will probably not execute him but the procedure will take longer to send him back Germany and to be releaseable. From what I know I don't see a possibility to win his case, unless...For taking a lawyer I don't see the point as the minimum sentence is life. he will get it automaticly if he plead guilty. I will said this kind of case the lawyer dream for, they will make you to hope for finaly after eating all your money get what you could have get from the beginning without their help. Anyway if you wish to take a lawyer avoid lawyer from koh pangan or koh samui there are not criminal lawyer, if you look their business card they are good anything you need. How possible! My advices do not take lawyer from Bangkok either but look for Surat Thani lawyer who do only criminal case . There is some that I know but they not speak english. I'm sure it will value to spend a bit for a translator.Good luck

Good advice on the lawyer front. From what I hear, most island lawyers are connected to island people when it come to criminal law cases.

[John 1]

I thought this tread would be Dead by now.

[7by7]

It seems that anything useful that could be said has been said, so before this topic degenerates again: closed.