SICHONSTEVE Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 (edited) did the "valuables" include the dude's mallets and wickets ? It's hoops isn't it!!!! Wickets are for cricket which is a different game I think you'll find . Edited August 28, 2011 by SICHONSTEVE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropo Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 It seems that my initial suspicion that the murderer was yet another slick violent young not-Thai man stalking local gay tourists and residents may indeed turn out to be true. It still hasn't been mentioned in the press, but it's very probable they met on a popular gay contact website that I won't mention but every local gay person knows very well. It's interesting that he radically changed his appearance. I would also guess he has victimized other gay men in Thailand, at least for theft. http://www.nzherald....jectid=10747892 Thai murder suspect 'preyed' on gay tourists Yeatman described him as a "professional thief" who befriended tourists before robbing them, and likened him to the lead character out of the movie The Talented Mr Ripley. I don't buy that "professional thief" story. Stabbing a person with a small pocket knife 20 times indicates far too much emotion. A lover's quarrel gone bad would be my guess. Perhaps the victim was "supporting" other young guys and he became jealous. He certainly carried a lot of cash around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 (edited) It seems that my initial suspicion that the murderer was yet another slick violent young not-Thai man stalking local gay tourists and residents may indeed turn out to be true. It still hasn't been mentioned in the press, but it's very probable they met on a popular gay contact website that I won't mention but every local gay person knows very well. It's interesting that he radically changed his appearance. I would also guess he has victimized other gay men in Thailand, at least for theft. http://www.nzherald....jectid=10747892 Thai murder suspect 'preyed' on gay tourists Yeatman described him as a "professional thief" who befriended tourists before robbing them, and likened him to the lead character out of the movie The Talented Mr Ripley. I don't buy that "professional thief" story. Stabbing a person with a small pocket knife 20 times indicates far too much emotion. A lover's quarrel gone bad would be my guess. Perhaps the victim was "supporting" other young guys and he became jealous. He certainly carried a lot of cash around. What an odd post. This guy might have murdered for the first time and had success before just using intimidation. I find your speculations about the unfortunate victim's "love life" disgusting, unfounded, and stinks of homophobia as well. Regrets to his family for having to read such filth. That said, I think there are strong signs the victim was involved in pay for play type activity in Pattaya but sadly engaged the wrong man. What a shock! Isn't that what Pattaya is known for? Enjoying the social life here, gay or straight, is normal in the context of the culture of the area and does not excuse criminal activity. Edited August 28, 2011 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lite Beer Posted August 28, 2011 Author Share Posted August 28, 2011 Murder accused re-enacts Kiwi's murder By Tova O’Brien Thai police have publicly paraded the man they say stabbed New Zealander Charles Jones to death. Media in the Thai city of Pattaya, about 150 kilometres south-east of Bangkok, were invited to film a graphic re-enactment of the killing which was acted out by the murder suspect himself. A warning, this story contains scenes from the reconstruction. Handcuffed and wearing a stab proof vest Mohammad Shanar Ryad, a former commando and recent refugee from Syria, was escorted back to the apartment where police say he killed Charles Jones. Read more: http://www.3news.co.nz/Murder-accused-re-enacts-Kiwis-murder/tabid/417/articleID/223789/Default.aspx#ixzz1WJPkYSSz --3news.co.nz-2011-08-28-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 I really don't get the reason for the stab proof vest or even the sunglasses. Who's going to stab him? He's surrounded by cops! The sunglasses obscure his face from viewers out there who may have further evidence against him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulo1 Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 Posted 2011-08-26 04:39:37 Charlie was from my home town Westport, NZ and was a friend our family. It was only about 4 months ago I warned him of the do,s and don'ts, what to be aware off when travelling through asia. People should not jump conclusions to the race of the person who committed this crime. Its very posible its not a thai. RIP Charlie. I posted that on the other thread now closed. That was prior the arrest. Have always said, when travelling you have to be very aware of the farangs as much as anyone else. Desperate Farangs out of money, wanting to stay , scamming whoever they can,etc. known as Farang Dung. And the truth comes out. He was not a thai. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAWP Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 The ability of this man to get a job at BKK as a security guard lends credence to the concerns made by foreign nations about the reliability of security at the airport. Does anyone want to wager that this fellow didn't have a background check? A note is that the man working at Svampy was a Thai man. From 'related news'. Dear The Nation, please stop with 'In related news'. Unless your sub-par journalists are paid by the word but limited to 1 article per day (...) it isn't even logical to mash unrelated reports together. It only makes it impossible to search for the news in your archive later on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOOD Robin Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 The time-line in this story is a little confusing. 21 year-old...............here for 4 years.............refugee status, how long was his period of persecution? 1 year?...............Syrian Army commando (2 years training??). 21.............17............16..............14???? The Syrian Army trains 14 year-olds as commandos?? I smell pork pies. You took the words right out of my mouth !!!! This story stinks !! Or is the Nation again doing some... GUESSING ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 I'm confused here... The alleged murderer is allegedly accepting cash to provide oral sex with another man... And then... after things go bad one way or another, he goes back to his Thai GF??? Seems a bit odd, regardless of whether it was all a pre-planned criminal endeavor or a crime of passion, so to speak... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOOD Robin Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 OK, the details of the murder just made me f---ing sick. Good thing there was that "...in related news..." at the end of the article to take my attention away from the main headline... omFg... Who says it happened the way they mentioned ? Nobody will ever know, TiT................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokay Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 A most wanted known Thai hitman working security at the airport. Just amazing. THAT should be a headline story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropo Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 (edited) It seems that my initial suspicion that the murderer was yet another slick violent young not-Thai man stalking local gay tourists and residents may indeed turn out to be true. It still hasn't been mentioned in the press, but it's very probable they met on a popular gay contact website that I won't mention but every local gay person knows very well. It's interesting that he radically changed his appearance. I would also guess he has victimized other gay men in Thailand, at least for theft. http://www.nzherald....jectid=10747892 Thai murder suspect 'preyed' on gay tourists Yeatman described him as a "professional thief" who befriended tourists before robbing them, and likened him to the lead character out of the movie The Talented Mr Ripley. I don't buy that "professional thief" story. Stabbing a person with a small pocket knife 20 times indicates far too much emotion. A lover's quarrel gone bad would be my guess. Perhaps the victim was "supporting" other young guys and he became jealous. He certainly carried a lot of cash around. What an odd post. This guy might have murdered for the first time and had success before just using intimidation. I find your speculations about the unfortunate victim's "love life" disgusting, unfounded, and stinks of homophobia as well. Regrets to his family for having to read such filth. That said, I think there are strong signs the victim was involved in pay for play type activity in Pattaya but sadly engaged the wrong man. What a shock! Isn't that what Pattaya is known for? Enjoying the social life here, gay or straight, is normal in the context of the culture of the area and does not excuse criminal activity. You've got some real problems dude. Any homophobia in my post has been dreamed up in your head. I don't have a homophobic bone in my body. If I don't like your attitude it's because I don't like your attitude, not because you're gay. It's typical of a certain class of homosexuals such as you - they look for homophobia in everything straight people say. Get over it! Edited August 28, 2011 by tropo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAMSOBAD Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 Hey everyone lighten up on the #16 MOST WANTED GUY. Thai Police only care about the TOP 3 MOST WANTED. That would include the PMs brother who will make them all loans and free iPads. Numbers 2 and 3 will keep the BiB busy and numbers 4- 15 are working with children or at other airports or on the TAT board. Aaaaaaamazzzzzzzzing Priorities! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgs2001uk Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 What an odd post. This guy might have murdered for the first time and had success before just using intimidation. I find your speculations about the unfortunate victim's "love life" disgusting, unfounded, and stinks of homophobia as well. Regrets to his family for having to read such filth. That said, I think there are strong signs the victim was involved in pay for play type activity in Pattaya but sadly engaged the wrong man. What a shock! Isn't that what Pattaya is known for? Enjoying the social life here, gay or straight, is normal in the context of the culture of the area and does not excuse criminal activity. You've got some real problems dude. Any homophobia in my post has been dreamed up in your head. I don't have a homophobic bone in my body. If I don't like your attitude it's because I don't like your attitude, not because you're gay. It's typical of a certain class of homosexuals such as you - they look for homophobia in everything straight people say. Get over it! Saved me the bother of writing it, I found nothing wrong with your post. Some just love to play the victim card, imaginary or otherwise, NEXT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 Posts with inappropriate comments have been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
who Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 (edited) ---- More good police work in Thailand. Now if the BIB could just keep their hands out of other peoples pockets... ---- . Edited August 28, 2011 by metisdead Font reset, use default forum font and color (black) when posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johpa Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 ....Only in Pattaya..... , ex-commando's, vice, drugs and political refugees.....Is it me, but does this story sounds too outrageous even for Pattaya ? Not in the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
who Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 (edited) ....Only in Pattaya..... , ex-commando's, vice, drugs and political refugees.....Is it me, but does this story sounds too outrageous even for Pattaya ? I didnt realise Thailand offered refugee status to persons from the middle east On the related news story....all I can say is WOW..Welcome to Thailand....professional hitmen working as security guards at an international airport... I don't believe the accused was ever a "commando". Considering his age (21) and the fact that he arricved as a refugee 4 years ago, he most likely would have been a 17 year old conscript that went awol. In answer to your query as to refugees in Thailand, the UN has quite the business going caring for "refugees". Thailand doesn't pick up the costs. The ability of this man to get a job at BKK as a security guard lends credence to the concerns made by foreign nations about the reliability of security at the airport. Does anyone want to wager that this fellow didn't have a background check? This story is going to over like a lead balloon back in NZ. BTW, will any of the people launching derisive remarks about Thais withdraw their comments now that a fine young Syrian has been identified as the culprit? ---- Non-Thai as an airport security guard.... ---- . Edited August 28, 2011 by metisdead Font reset, use default forum font and color (black) when posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatrickid Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 The ability of this man to get a job at BKK as a security guard lends credence to the concerns made by foreign nations about the reliability of security at the airport. Does anyone want to wager that this fellow didn't have a background check? A note is that the man working at Svampy was a Thai man. From 'related news'. Dear The Nation, please stop with 'In related news'. Unless your sub-par journalists are paid by the word but limited to 1 article per day (...) it isn't even logical to mash unrelated reports together. It only makes it impossible to search for the news in your archive later on. My apologies as I misread. Thank you for the correction. (Note to self - do not read whilst talking on phone.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coralia Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 Wasn't Mr Charles Jones a "recent Catholic convert"? Wasn't he playing, uh, the organ in church, or something like that?... How could he possibly be gay? Or smoke marijuana??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAWP Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 (edited) Wasn't Mr Charles Jones a "recent Catholic convert"? Wasn't he playing, uh, the organ in church, or something like that?... How could he possibly be gay? Or smoke marijuana??? Maybe he didn't look down while he was being served. But I hope they get to the bottom of the case. The original OP is filled with logical holes. Edited August 28, 2011 by TAWP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 (edited) The important thing to get the fullest conviction is to not take the word of the perp about anything. If he is guilty, surely the hard forensic evidence would be sufficient. His fantastic story, self defense, rape attempt by a chubby jovial older man of a virile young stud (yeah right), homosexual panic, miserly payment for sex services when he had a big pile of liquid lucre right in his room, being invited for drugs (OK, that might be true), etc. is CLEARLY designed to gain sympathy and to reduce his culpability. This kind of anti-gay, homosexual panic defense probably works in Syria and other homophobic countries, but let's hope it doesn't cut the curry in Thailand! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_panic_defense Edited August 28, 2011 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kraplung Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 I think the Thai police should be congratulated for once. When your suspect is a 'man of middle eastern appearance called Mohammed' it's not much to go on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annabel Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 ....Only in Pattaya..... , ex-commando's, vice, drugs and political refugees.....Is it me, but does this story sounds too outrageous even for Pattaya ? I didnt realise Thailand offered refugee status to persons from the middle east On the related news story....all I can say is WOW..Welcome to Thailand....professional hitmen working as security guards at an international airport... I don't believe the accused was ever a "commando". Considering his age (21) and the fact that he arricved as a refugee 4 years ago, he most likely would have been a 17 year old conscript that went awol. In answer to your query as to refugees in Thailand, the UN has quite the business going caring for "refugees". Thailand doesn't pick up the costs. The ability of this man to get a job at BKK as a security guard lends credence to the concerns made by foreign nations about the reliability of security at the airport. Does anyone want to wager that this fellow didn't have a background check? This story is going to over like a lead balloon back in NZ. BTW, will any of the people launching derisive remarks about Thais withdraw their comments now that a fine young Syrian has been identified as the culprit? Oh God!!! Where do you all come from ...?? Really ??? Oye and oye !!! I am speechless reading all this non sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 Some nonsensical posts (& replies) have been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welbymd Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 There are some points of interest, or not concerning this story. When new first broke of this incident, the police were said to be looking for missing items. How did they know they were missing if the poor soul was dead? How did they know these items even existed? I mean most people have a cell phone and computer, but various items? The comment from the accused that there was an certain "act" to be performed. Was the Croquet Chief gay (probably)? I mean if he wasn't who's to clear his name? The Pattaya press is sure to air your dirty laundry if anyone reading this has an unfortunate accident. There is no dignity in crime/death in Thailand. You too can be front page news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughben Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Don't know if this has been posted: The man who allegedly murdered Charles Jones in Thailand was a Talented Mr Ripley-type figure who preyed on gay tourists for cash, a close friend of the Kiwi said.Thai police yesterday arrested a 22-year-old Syrian named "Mohammed" for the brutal stabbing of Jones in the resort of Pattaya. Police found $40,000 in cash, as well as Jones' laptop, mobile phones and his watch when they arrested Mohammed. Stuart Yeatman, who discovered Jones' body, said the Syrian national had completely changed his appearance since the murder, cutting his hair and buying new clothes. Yeatman described him as a "professional thief" who befriended tourists before robbing them, and likened him to the lead character out of the movie The Talented Mr Ripley. He said: "This guy would have relied on the fact that the people he robbed were quite secretive and guarded. He was a professional thief. I think he felt it was just another tourist." Yeatman described the police investigation as "relentless". Police were planning to re-enact the murder in Jones' high-rise apartment in the next few days. Jones' brother-in-law, who asked not to be named, said the arrest changed nothing. "We have still lost a loved one." Jones' body will be back in the country in time for a funeral in Westport on Saturday. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10747892 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 (edited) Was the Croquet Chief gay (probably)? I mean if he wasn't who's to clear his name? The Pattaya press is sure to air your dirty laundry if anyone reading this has an unfortunate accident. There is no dignity in crime/death in Thailand. You too can be front page news. I get your point. If all we have to go on for what went down between the Kiwi and the Syrian is the word of the Syrian, that's never going to be good enough. Also agree there is no dignity in the way the local press and police deal with crime stories (or even natural deaths) here. However, one nit. Gay or not isn't the issue. Being gay itself is not dirty laundry except perhaps if someone is deep in the closet and cared a lot about hiding it. If he was paying for sex in Thailand, well, that's not so G rated but how many older single male visitors to Pattaya are NOT sometimes paying for sex in Thailand? I read another friend account from NZ that the man never did drugs, which raises questions about the suspect's claims he was invited to the condo to smoke pot. Edited August 30, 2011 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatrickid Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 It is very easy to confirm whether or not the deceased used drugs. It's called doing the blood tests or a urine test. There would have been some fluid left in the bladder. If requested, it's done at an autopsy. However, in most cases what is described as an autopsy in the local papers is a physical post mortem without the chemical analysis. The tests cost money. There are other swabs and tests that can be done to verify the accused's version of events, however, I doubt they will be undertaken as the accused confessed to murder and that's usually good enough in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 (edited) The trouble with this suspect's confession is that it is a classic homosexual panic defense filled with details that it was self defense to a RAPE attempt! If the judge believes him, he could get off. I think it's far more likely this was a cold blooded murder. But based on the confession, that is not enough to prove that. If this suspect gets freed or a reduced sentence, the victim will be a victim TWO times. Only thorough and professional police work to prove that it was not self defense (if it was not of course) will bring justice in this case. Edited August 30, 2011 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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