Red-Shirts Defend Appointments Of Key Leaders As Political Officers

[webfact]

Red-shirts Defend Appointments of Key Leaders as Political Officers

The red-shirt group is defending the appointments of its key leaders as state officials, and denies that it has ever put pressure on the government to appoint them.

While the government is under fire for appointing a number of red-shirt members as political officers, and a question has been raised over whether the move was meant to appease the activist group, key red-shirt leader Shinawat Haboonpad, who is rumored to be appointed deputy transport minister, finds nothing unlawful about the appointments.

He said red-shirt members have been in support of the Pheu Thai Party and they should be among the first to be given the opportunity to work for the country.

Shinawat asked the Democrat Party not to start a political game, as it also appointed yellow-shirt activist Kasit Biromya as foreign minister during its administration.

He said the red-shirt group is not a lightning rod for criticism as its only aim is to call for true democracy.

The red-shirt leader added that the Democrat Party is trying to attack the red-shirt group, and that it is not keeping its commitment to contribute to reconciliation as it usually claims.

Meanwhile, acting spokesman for the red-shirt group, Worawut Wichaidit, who is expected to be appointed as an official at the Prime Minister's Secretary General Office, said the appointments are not a reward for red-shirt members.

The Pheu Thai Party simply chose people it can trust.

He added that most key red-shirt members have membership in the party, and he himself contested in an election against former Secretary-General of the Democrat Party Suthep Thaugsuban.

Worawut pointed out that with red-shirts in government positions, submission of complaints from red-shirt supporters can be facilitated and responded to more quickly.

When asked if the appointments signify the red-shirt group's leverage in the Pheu Thai Party, he said the group never intends to put pressure on the party, and if that were the case, it would have demanded ministerial positions for its core leaders Nuttawut Saikuea and Jatuporn Phromphan.

-- Tan Network 2011-08-30

[hammered]

To be honest the Dems and their mates stuffed those they could trust into as many positions as they could and now PTP are doing the same. Making the bureaucracy work for you and not against or in neutral is critical to running the country successfully. The PTP and the reds may not be to everyones liking but they are the elected government and do have the right to try and make sure the civil service do what they want them to do especially after inheriting one seeded with Dem and BJT friends. New government. Same problem. The civil service default is neutral gear as nobody knows who the next boss will be after the next election/coup so changing bosses every time is the only way to make it work when elected. real politik

[Buchholz]

To be honest the Dems and their mates stuffed those they could trust into as many positions as they could and now PTP are doing the same.

I don't recall the Dems having a dozen or so of its members out on bail from felony charges when they made their appointments upon forming their coalition government.

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[hammered]

To be honest the Dems and their mates stuffed those they could trust into as many positions as they could and now PTP are doing the same.

I don't recall the Dems having a dozen or so of its members out on bail from felony charges when they made their appointments upon forming their coalition government.

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Innocent until proven guilty and all those quaint little trappings of democracy. Final judgement is the legal standard. A rather large segment of the population also see all those charges as politically motivated. Even the yellow shirts I know think it.

Now lets say Suthep and Abhisit get charged with lets say conspiracy to murder or treason or something. Should they also resign?

And of course we have an MP who led a coup. That was hardly a legal act.

Edited August 30, 2011 by hammered

[jonclark]

"Worawut pointed out that with red-shirts in government positions, submission of complaints from red-shirt supporters can be facilitated and responded to more quickly."

Worawut continued to state that red shirts in government position will also result in " Complaints and action against the red shirts being ignored and as they are politically motivated complaints and not worthy of action, all of which will lead to the reconciliation of the country."

Bend over Thailand and get the lube ready your about to be $@*!

[jonclark]

To be honest the Dems and their mates stuffed those they could trust into as many positions as they could and now PTP are doing the same.

I don't recall the Dems having a dozen or so of its members out on bail from felony charges when they made their appointments upon forming their coalition government.

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Innocent until proven guilty and all those quaint little trappings of democracy. Final judgement is the legal standard. A rather large segment of the population also see all those charges as politically motivated. Even the yellow shirts I know think it.

Now lets say Suthep and Abhisit get charged with lets say conspiracy to murder or treason or something. Should they also resign?

And of course we have an MP who led a coup. That was hardly a legal act.

Why would abhisit be charged with treason???

[Deez]

To be honest the Dems and their mates stuffed those they could trust into as many positions as they could and now PTP are doing the same.

I don't recall the Dems having a dozen or so of its members out on bail from felony charges when they made their appointments upon forming their coalition government.

.

Innocent until proven guilty and all those quaint little trappings of democracy. Final judgement is the legal standard. A rather large segment of the population also see all those charges as politically motivated. Even the yellow shirts I know think it.

Now lets say Suthep and Abhisit get charged with lets say conspiracy to murder or treason or something. Should they also resign?

And of course we have an MP who led a coup. That was hardly a legal act.

Of course any part of the law that goes against the Redshirts or Khun T are politically motivated. They are all gentle as a little lamb

[JohnAllan]

Well, they would, wouldn't they?

Shinawat Haboonpad says red-shirt members have been in support of the Pheu Thai Party and they should be among the first to be given the opportunity to work for the country. Is THAT what they were doing at Ratchaprasong last year?

Shinawat asked the Democrat Party not to start a political game, as it also appointed yellow-shirt activist Kasit Biromya as foreign minister during its administration. True, and they were criticised for it. But that was one man, not a whole group.

He said the red-shirt group is not a lightning rod for criticism as its only aim is to call for true democracy. Ah! Yes, that word democracy again!

Meanwhile, acting spokesman for the red-shirt group, Worawut Wichaidit, who is expected to be appointed as an official at the Prime Minister's Secretary General Office, said the appointments are not a reward for red-shirt members. Of course not!

The PheuThai Party simply chose people it can trust. Of course it did!

Worawut pointed out that with red-shirts in government positions, submission of complaints from red-shirt supporters can be facilitated and responded to more quickly. NOW we're getting close to the real motive, at least as far as the red shirts are concerned! Let us reread the reference to democracy, and more, that oft quoted word: reconciliation.

And doesn't the term Political Officers sound just vaguely communist?

Edited August 30, 2011 by JohnAllan

[moe666]

It seems they do a lot of defending and deniing and not much else

They keep deluding themselves when Big T has used them up bye, bye

Edited August 30, 2011 by moe666

[webfact]

Cabinet approval for reds as political office holders

By The Nation

The Cabinet on Tuesday approved a list of political office holders, including some 20 vice ministers and a number of ministerial secretaries and advisers.

Several core members and guards of the red-shirt movement received key appointments.

Aree Krainara, head guard of the red shirts, is now secretary general to Interior Minister Yongyuth Wichaidit.

Red leader Yoswaris "Jeng Dokjik" Chuklom is a deputy secretary general in the Interior Ministry.

Deputy Prime Minister Chalerm Yoobamrung's son Wan is a deputy secretary general in the Transport Ministry.

Among the vice ministers are red-shirt leader Visa Kanthap, ex-bureaucrat Prapat Chongsanguan and Pheu Thai party-list candidate Surachai Baochanya.

-- The Nation 2011-08-30

[animatic]

To be honest the Dems and their mates stuffed those they could trust into as many positions as they could and now PTP are doing the same.

I don't recall the Dems having a dozen or so of its members out on bail from felony charges when they made their appointments upon forming their coalition government.

.

Innocent until proven guilty and all those quaint little trappings of democracy. Final judgement is the legal standard. A rather large segment of the population also see all those charges as politically motivated. Even the yellow shirts I know think it.

Now lets say Suthep and Abhisit get charged with lets say conspiracy to murder or treason or something. Should they also resign?

And of course we have an MP who led a coup. That was hardly a legal act.

Yes, but then look at Dem. Apirak resigning till, his case is decided. Making an effort to take a high road position and set a good example. Not bull ahead as if appearances of propriety don't matter. They do.

The taint of corruption is there from pending trials of serious charges. But TRT, PPP, PTP have never worried about the appearances of corruption, and making their governments look and act cleaner as a basic philosophy of their functioning.

A main point is there are MANY who are not currently under charges to fill these seats and those that arem regardless of party list seatings, should take a back seat in the appointments list.

Edited August 30, 2011 by animatic

[hammered]

To be honest the Dems and their mates stuffed those they could trust into as many positions as they could and now PTP are doing the same.

I don't recall the Dems having a dozen or so of its members out on bail from felony charges when they made their appointments upon forming their coalition government.

.

Innocent until proven guilty and all those quaint little trappings of democracy. Final judgement is the legal standard. A rather large segment of the population also see all those charges as politically motivated. Even the yellow shirts I know think it.

Now lets say Suthep and Abhisit get charged with lets say conspiracy to murder or treason or something. Should they also resign?

And of course we have an MP who led a coup. That was hardly a legal act.

Why would abhisit be charged with treason???

Its an example of a charge that would be seen as political by those who dont like team red

[moe666]

I have to wonder how political is it to be arrested for burning down Bangkok or promoting it. And it is on you tube

[hammered]

To be honest the Dems and their mates stuffed those they could trust into as many positions as they could and now PTP are doing the same.

I don't recall the Dems having a dozen or so of its members out on bail from felony charges when they made their appointments upon forming their coalition government.

.

Innocent until proven guilty and all those quaint little trappings of democracy. Final judgement is the legal standard. A rather large segment of the population also see all those charges as politically motivated. Even the yellow shirts I know think it.

Now lets say Suthep and Abhisit get charged with lets say conspiracy to murder or treason or something. Should they also resign?

And of course we have an MP who led a coup. That was hardly a legal act.

Yes, but then look at Dem. Apirak resigning till, his case is decided.

Making an effort to take a high road position and set a good example.

Not bull ahead as if appearances of propriety don't matter. They do.

The taint of corruption is there from pending trials of serious charges. But TRT, PPP, PTP have never worried about the appearances of corruption, and making their governments look and act cleaner as a basic philosophy of their functioning.

A main point is there are MANY who are not currently under charges to fill these seats and those that arem regardless of party list seatings, should take a back seat in the appointments list.

It is all going to just come down to whether charges are seen as political or criminal and that depends who is looking. The problem stemming from a coup carried out by a group who had an amnesty written for them. And there are a lot of little people who want whoever shot their son/daughter during April/May charged along with whoever ordered it. Is that going to happen so they join the red shirts in court? The whole thing about avoiding double standards accusations is that you legally treat everybody the same. The coup amnesty immediately undermines that opening up accusations even from those who have committed obvious crimes as carrying out a coup was obvious, open and hardly legal.

On corruption no differnce really except Abhisit said he wouldnt tolerate and then days later had to

[KKvampire]

Corrupt and criminal to all levels of this government, All that can be hoped is the Thai Public will see it and yes TAKE TO THE STREETS IN PEACEFUL DEMONSTRATIONS

Edited August 30, 2011 by KKvampire

[moe666]

Corrupt and criminal to all levels of this government, All that can be hoped is the Thai Public will see it and yes TAKE TO THE STREETS IN PEACEFUL DEMONSTRATIONS

A LA RED SHIRT

[Buchholz]

To be honest the Dems and their mates stuffed those they could trust into as many positions as they could and now PTP are doing the same.

I don't recall the Dems having a dozen or so of its members out on bail from felony charges when they made their appointments upon forming their coalition government.

Innocent until proven guilty and all those quaint little trappings of democracy. Final judgement is the legal standard. A rather large segment of the population also see all those charges as politically motivated. Even the yellow shirts I know think it.

Now lets say Suthep and Abhisit get charged with lets say conspiracy to murder or treason or something. Should they also resign?

And of course we have an MP who led a coup. That was hardly a legal act.

Yes, they are innocent until proven guilty, however, there weren't any appointees under indictment with the Dems so just to get to that point is a big difference between the administrations. Difficult to say the PTP are "doing the same" with that glaring difference.

Indeed the judgement on their guilt or innocence should be done by the legal standard and not what a segment of the general population, "sees". Hopefully we can move beyond the stage where overlooking "honest mistakes" is based on perceived popular opinion.

If Suthep/Abhisit are charged, I would expect them to resign... which was already the standard practice during his administration, eg. Apirak. It is the obvious polar opposite of the policy of TRT/PPP/PTP that has been demonstrated time and again where being under indictment or temporarily free on bail made no difference to them and resigning their positions was never considered.

[KKvampire]

Corrupt and criminal to all levels of this government, All that can be hoped is the Thai Public will see it and yes TAKE TO THE STREETS IN PEACEFUL DEMONSTRATIONS

A LA RED SHIRT

"Peaceful "um no, Not in their vocabulary

Edited August 30, 2011 by KKvampire

[animatic]

'Buchholz' timestamp='1314679371' post='4660866'

To be honest the Dems and their mates stuffed those they could trust into as many positions as they could and now PTP are doing the same.

I don't recall the Dems having a dozen or so of its members out on bail from felony charges when they made their appointments upon forming their coalition government.

Innocent until proven guilty and all those quaint little trappings of democracy. Final judgement is the legal standard. A rather large segment of the population also see all those charges as politically motivated. Even the yellow shirts I know think it.

Now lets say Suthep and Abhisit get charged with lets say conspiracy to murder or treason or something. Should they also resign?

And of course we have an MP who led a coup. That was hardly a legal act.

Why would abhisit be charged with treason???

Its an example of a charge that would be seen as political by those who dont like team red

If they are already charged they should not be installed into the government until the charges are resolved.

It gives entirely the wrong signal.

Getting charged while in office is another matter.

We have the bull it out till removed or acquitted way;

which reduces the stature of the position significantly,

and calls into question ALL decisions made in the job if convicted.

or

The fall on your sword fro the good of the team graceful exit ;

to keep the stench of corruption distanced from the government.

The latter acknowledges that corruption is an issue and they are trying to stop or slow it. The latter says we don't care we want our turn at the public financed trough.

Edited August 30, 2011 by animatic

[Buchholz]

Cabinet approval for reds as political office holders

The Cabinet on Tuesday approved a list of political office holders, including some 20 vice ministers and a number of ministerial secretaries and advisers.

Several core members and guards of the red-shirt movement received key appointments.

Aree Krainara, head guard of the red shirts, is now secretary general to Interior Minister Yongyuth Wichaidit.

Red leader Yoswaris "Jeng Dokjik" Chuklom is a deputy secretary general in the Interior Ministry.

Deputy Prime Minister Chalerm Yoobamrung's son Wan is a deputy secretary general in the Transport Ministry.

Among the vice ministers are red-shirt leader Visa Kanthap, ex-bureaucrat Prapat Chongsanguan and Pheu Thai party-list candidate Surachai Baochanya.

Good to see Mr. Happy Toilet has a new job!!!

(after getting trounced in the last election denied him a position in Parliament as an MP).

And even more Red Shirt Leaders now... wonderful!

The circus just gets bigger and bigger.

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[hammered]

Cabinet approval for reds as political office holders

The Cabinet on Tuesday approved a list of political office holders, including some 20 vice ministers and a number of ministerial secretaries and advisers.

Several core members and guards of the red-shirt movement received key appointments.

Aree Krainara, head guard of the red shirts, is now secretary general to Interior Minister Yongyuth Wichaidit.

Red leader Yoswaris "Jeng Dokjik" Chuklom is a deputy secretary general in the Interior Ministry.

Deputy Prime Minister Chalerm Yoobamrung's son Wan is a deputy secretary general in the Transport Ministry.

Among the vice ministers are red-shirt leader Visa Kanthap, ex-bureaucrat Prapat Chongsanguan and Pheu Thai party-list candidate Surachai Baochanya.

Good to see Mr. Happy Toilet has a new job!!!

(after getting trounced in the last election denied him a position in Parliament as an MP).

And even more Red Shirt Leaders now... wonderful!

The circus just gets bigger and bigger.

.

Well the red shirts at least put their necks on the line to get the payback. What did Chalerm's son do to deserve the payback apart form losing in an election?

[Buchholz]

Cabinet approval for reds as political office holders

The Cabinet on Tuesday approved a list of political office holders, including some 20 vice ministers and a number of ministerial secretaries and advisers.

Several core members and guards of the red-shirt movement received key appointments.

Aree Krainara, head guard of the red shirts, is now secretary general to Interior Minister Yongyuth Wichaidit.

Red leader Yoswaris "Jeng Dokjik" Chuklom is a deputy secretary general in the Interior Ministry.

Deputy Prime Minister Chalerm Yoobamrung's son Wan is a deputy secretary general in the Transport Ministry.

Among the vice ministers are red-shirt leader Visa Kanthap, ex-bureaucrat Prapat Chongsanguan and Pheu Thai party-list candidate Surachai Baochanya.

Good to see Mr. Happy Toilet has a new job!!!

(after getting trounced in the last election denied him a position in Parliament as an MP).

And even more Red Shirt Leaders now... wonderful!

The circus just gets bigger and bigger.

.

Well the red shirts at least put their necks on the line to get the payback. What did Chalerm's son do to deserve the payback apart form losing in an election?

He sat on a giant commode once. That's enough for PTP.

.

[whybother]

Well the red shirts at least put their necks on the line to get the payback. What did Chalerm's son do to deserve the payback apart form losing in an election?

That's a rhetorical question, right?

[KKvampire]

Well the red shirts at least put their necks on the line to get the payback. What did Chalerm's son do to deserve the payback apart form losing in an election?

That's a rhetorical question, right?

We know he's "done alot" in his lifetime, enough to have been rejected by most Thais when other "unsavoury" characters were getting elected.

Edited August 30, 2011 by KKvampire

[rubl]

Innocent until proven guilty and all those quaint little trappings of democracy. Final judgement is the legal standard. A rather large segment of the population also see all those charges as politically motivated. Even the yellow shirts I know think it.

Now lets say Suthep and Abhisit get charged with lets say conspiracy to murder or treason or something. Should they also resign?

And of course we have an MP who led a coup. That was hardly a legal act.

My memory fails me it seems. Tell me, which MP led a coup?

[hammered]

Innocent until proven guilty and all those quaint little trappings of democracy. Final judgement is the legal standard. A rather large segment of the population also see all those charges as politically motivated. Even the yellow shirts I know think it.

Now lets say Suthep and Abhisit get charged with lets say conspiracy to murder or treason or something. Should they also resign?

And of course we have an MP who led a coup. That was hardly a legal act.

My memory fails me it seems. Tell me, which MP led a coup?

Gen Sonthi is now an MP

[fstarbkk]

Cabinet approval for reds as political office holders

The Cabinet on Tuesday approved a list of political office holders, including some 20 vice ministers and a number of ministerial secretaries and advisers.

Several core members and guards of the red-shirt movement received key appointments.

Aree Krainara, head guard of the red shirts, is now secretary general to Interior Minister Yongyuth Wichaidit.

Red leader Yoswaris "Jeng Dokjik" Chuklom is a deputy secretary general in the Interior Ministry.

Deputy Prime Minister Chalerm Yoobamrung's son Wan is a deputy secretary general in the Transport Ministry.

Among the vice ministers are red-shirt leader Visa Kanthap, ex-bureaucrat Prapat Chongsanguan and Pheu Thai party-list candidate Surachai Baochanya.

Good to see Mr. Happy Toilet has a new job!!!

(after getting trounced in the last election denied him a position in Parliament as an MP).

And even more Red Shirt Leaders now... wonderful!

The circus just gets bigger and bigger.

.

Well the red shirts at least put their necks on the line to get the payback. What did Chalerm's son do to deserve the payback apart form losing in an election?

He sat on a giant commode once. That's enough for PTP.

.

Who could forget the image.... and it's still the high-point of his career so far.

[KKvampire]

Innocent until proven guilty and all those quaint little trappings of democracy. Final judgement is the legal standard. A rather large segment of the population also see all those charges as politically motivated. Even the yellow shirts I know think it.

Now lets say Suthep and Abhisit get charged with lets say conspiracy to murder or treason or something. Should they also resign?

And of course we have an MP who led a coup. That was hardly a legal act.

My memory fails me it seems. Tell me, which MP led a coup?

According to some of the delusional brigade it;s the same MP which they also believe was never elected PM.

[whybother]

Innocent until proven guilty and all those quaint little trappings of democracy. Final judgement is the legal standard. A rather large segment of the population also see all those charges as politically motivated. Even the yellow shirts I know think it.

Now lets say Suthep and Abhisit get charged with lets say conspiracy to murder or treason or something. Should they also resign?

And of course we have an MP who led a coup. That was hardly a legal act.

My memory fails me it seems. Tell me, which MP led a coup?

Gen Sonthi, a party list MP of the Matubhum Party.

[Buchholz]

The Red Shirt appointees are qualified.... so says Red Shirt Anusorn....

Deputy Government Spokesman Anusorn Eiamsa-ard

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Edited August 30, 2011 by Buchholz