Treat Thaksin Like Any Fugitive, Abhisit Tells Govt

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Treat Thaksin like any fugitive, Abhisit tells govt

By The Nation

The government should adhere to legal precedents in deciding whether or not to seek a royal pardon for fugitive former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, Democrat Party leader Abhisit Vejjajiva said yesterday.

"The Pheu Thai Party has often raised the issue of double standards during its campaigning, therefore it should not rely on double standards to rescue Thaksin," he said in reference to a petition seeking a pardon for the ex-PM.

Last week the Corrections Department forwarded the petition to Justice Minister Pracha Promnok for a final review. The red shirts spearheaded and solicited 3.6 million signatures in 2008 to seek a pardon on Thaksin's behalf. Following checks, some 2 million signatures could be verified.

Abhisit said when the People Power Party was in power, the then government set the legal guidelines not to forward a pardon petition to the Royal Palace if the case involved a fugitive. The party was disbanded before morphing into Pheu Thai.

"I hope Pheu Thai will treat Thaksin like any other fugitives," he said.

He also deplored the government for lacking justification in removing national police chief General Wichean Potephosree.

"It appears that the transfer of Wichean is just to satisfy someone who wants the job," he said in reference to the pending appointment of General Priewpan Damapong who is the elder brother of Khunying Pojaman na Pombejra, ex-wife of Thaksin.

Senator Direk Thungfang said the opposition Democrats had gone overboard in opposing Priewpan to succeed Wichean.

The government had already explained why Priewpan should get the job, he said, adding that Wichean would also be moved to an equally important position as secretary-general of the National Security Council.

"Reconciliation will remain illusive as long as the rival camps continue to smear one another," he said.

Bangkok residents appear split over the issue of the police top job as one in two people voiced disapproval on the pending transfer of Wichean, and about half were not confident that Priewpan could do a better job in suppressing vice and illicit drugs, Abac Poll said in the survey released yesterday.

The survey was conducted among 1,259 respondents from Thursday to Saturday.

Should Priewpan replace Wichean, his top priority should be drug suppression, the survey said.

In a separate development on the military reshuffle, Defence Minister Yuthasak Sasiprapha dismissed speculation about a delay due to the nomination of a new permanent secretary for Defence.

Yuthasak said the list for the military line-up was completed last week and would be submitted soon to the prime minister who will in turn forward it for royal endorsement.

He said he saw no reason why the annual military rotations should be delayed.

He admitted to making some off-the-record remarks about the picking of the permanent secretary. His remarks were later mentioned out of context in the press and he had already told reporters about their lopsided reporting, Yuthasak said.

-- The Nation 2011-09-05

[Buchholz]

when the People Power Party was in power, the then government set the legal guidelines not to forward a pardon petition to the Royal Palace if the case involved a fugitive.

"but...but... it's different now"

[MunterHunter]

when the People Power Party was in power, the then government set the legal guidelines not to forward a pardon petition to the Royal Palace if the case involved a fugitive.

"but...but... it's different now"

but... but... we don't agree with the charges against him

(neither does any other convict in the world!)

[pisico]

Abhisit said:

"I hope Pheu Thai will treat Thaksin like any other fugitives," he said.

[/size]A fugitive is a fugitive is a fugitive...

He also deplored the government for lacking justification in removing national police chief General Wichean Potephosree.

Gambling Casinos under the noses of the Police stations. Corruption rampant within the entire police force: from agents making up bogus charges to shrugging off complaints if they are not easy, clear cut cases... The list goes on.

I wonder if that is not enough justification to have removed ALL of the Police Chiefs of the past 50 years.

Abhisit's job now in the opposition is to be a thorn on the side of the PTP, a pebble inside their shoes but,

the removal of the chief of Police is amply justified and deserving of an investigation.

About Thaksin he was absolutely right. Unless Thaksin's case is reopen, the evidence evaluated by a different, non-coup appointed body and overturned. Other than that, it should stand as it is.

I know that Abhisit's fans will come to his defense talking about the one who will replace the chief of police.

Expected from those who give up freedom of thought and rational thinking in order to feel good, as if that could change reality.

No matter what anybody says:

In this particular case (removal of the chief of police) Abhisit goofed off for the sake of obstructing the current government.

Another botched opportunity of the Democrats to redeem themselves.

[Buchholz]

About Thaksin he was absolutely right. Unless Thaksin's case is reopen, the evidence evaluated by a different, non-coup appointed body and overturned. Other than that, it should stand as it is.

For the record, the evidence was evaluated by a non-coup appointed body.

Thai ex-PM guilty of corruption

Thailand's fugitive ex-PM Thaksin Shinawatra has been found guilty of corruption and sentenced to two years in prison by the Thai Supreme Court.

BBC - 21 October 2008

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7681416.stm

[OzMick]

Chair of the Reconciliation Committee for Political Reform and Constitutional Amendment, "Direk Thungfang.......... said the opposition Democrats had gone overboard in opposing Priewpan to succeed Wichean.

Just in case anyone happens to believe the good senator is unbiased, as early as March 2010 he was calling for the government to surrender to UDD demands to resign. (As reported on UPI.com - am I allowed to link??)

[backtonormal]

when the People Power Party was in power, the then government set the legal guidelines not to forward a pardon petition to the Royal Palace if the case involved a fugitive.

"but...but... it's different now"

but... but... we don't agree with the charges against him

(neither does any other convict in the world!)

Abhisits mentor had a brother who was a fugitive. I think he went to Taiwan. About $8,000,000 but theres no chance of you mentioning that

[backtonormal]

when the People Power Party was in power, the then government set the legal guidelines not to forward a pardon petition to the Royal Palace if the case involved a fugitive.

"but...but... it's different now"

but... but... we don't agree with the charges against him

(neither does any other convict in the world!)

Convicted yes but by whom and under whose control. If the man is such a villian why are the nations of the world welcoming him with open arms. What the pro dems on here forget to mention is that all the electorate wealthy and poor knew of Thaksins past yet still voted him back to power. Just begs the question how p1ss poor was the alternative

[spidermike007]

Now, Abhisit is becoming courageous, and asking for action on Thaksin. This would not be so amusing, except for the fact that he did very, very little to pursue Thaksin while he was PM. His army bosses told him not to, so he did not. Now, he is pushing the reds to do something, and treat him just like any other fugitive. Abhisit is a coward, and a tiny man. He lacks any conviction, and only talks, and talks. "Dee tab poot", good at talking, but not much else. What a pathetic loser. He cannot come to grips with the fact that he was voted out, and by a huge margin. He had so many opportunities to pursue Thaksin. Thailand made a grievous error by not getting him while they could. What a mistake.

[backtonormal]

About Thaksin he was absolutely right. Unless Thaksin's case is reopen, the evidence evaluated by a different, non-coup appointed body and overturned. Other than that, it should stand as it is.

For the record, the evidence was evaluated by a non-coup appointed body.

Thai ex-PM guilty of corruption

Thailand's fugitive ex-PM Thaksin Shinawatra has been found guilty of corruption and sentenced to two years in prison by the Thai Supreme Court.

BBC - 21 October 2008

http://news.bbc.co.u...fic/7681416.stm

Which non coup elected body are you referring to. The man that orchestrated the coup also controlled the judiciary. Do some google and see who makes up that group of people. Mainly ex senior military and ex senior judiciary. So if the army dont get you the courts will. Naieve I dont think.

[backtonormal]

Now, Abhisit is becoming courageous, and asking for action on Thaksin. This would not be so amusing, except for the fact that he did very, very little to pursue Thaksin while he was PM. His army bosses told him not to, so he did not. Now, he is pushing the reds to do something, and treat him just like any other fugitive. Abhisit is a coward, and a tiny man. He lacks any conviction, and only talks, and talks. "Dee tab poot", good at talking, but not much else. What a pathetic loser. He cannot come to grips with the fact that he was voted out, and by a huge margin. He had so many opportunities to pursue Thaksin. Thailand made a grievous error by not getting him while they could. What a mistake.

Abhisits crew sent a dossier to interpol to arrest Thaksin on terrorism charges. The director of Interpol used it for wiping away his tears of laughter at the terrorism charge but saved a couple of the pages to wipe his butt on. Sad how Thaksin is welcome most places but not here. The world knows the truth about this but most of farangs on here sadly dont

[RedNIvar]

I like Abhisit, he is on some good <deleted>. I hope he has enough stashed away for when Government starts cracking down on drugs again.

On a more serious note, I think he is just doing his job as the opposition. Stir things up, blow hot air, etc. He knows that nepotism is part and parcel of Thai politics. His government did it, and now PTP is doing it. That is how things work here.

[phiphidon]

About Thaksin he was absolutely right. Unless Thaksin's case is reopen, the evidence evaluated by a different, non-coup appointed body and overturned. Other than that, it should stand as it is.

For the record, the evidence was evaluated by a non-coup appointed body.

Thai ex-PM guilty of corruption

Thailand's fugitive ex-PM Thaksin Shinawatra has been found guilty of corruption and sentenced to two years in prison by the Thai Supreme Court.

BBC - 21 October 2008

http://news.bbc.co.u...fic/7681416.stm

Interesting that you use the BBC's post (interesting in that most pro democrats were decrying the BBC coverage of events last year, saying they were biased, but in this case the post agrees with your viewpoint) with respect to the verdict.

In reality the charge was "convicted of conflict of interest" not corruption.

http://www.thenation...in-found-guiltyhttp://www.nytimes.c...sia/22thai.html

http://www.heraldsun...x-1111117816556

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/22/world/asia/22thai.html

Edited September 5, 2011 by phiphidon

[OzMick]

About Thaksin he was absolutely right. Unless Thaksin's case is reopen, the evidence evaluated by a different, non-coup appointed body and overturned. Other than that, it should stand as it is.

For the record, the evidence was evaluated by a non-coup appointed body.

Thai ex-PM guilty of corruption

Thailand's fugitive ex-PM Thaksin Shinawatra has been found guilty of corruption and sentenced to two years in prison by the Thai Supreme Court.

BBC - 21 October 2008

http://news.bbc.co.u...fic/7681416.stm

Which non coup elected body are you referring to. The man that orchestrated the coup also controlled the judiciary. Do some google and see who makes up that group of people. Mainly ex senior military and ex senior judiciary. So if the army dont get you the courts will. Naieve I dont think.

Who did you expect to sit on the Supreme Court? Are you questioning their impartiality, and on what grounds - because no Shinawatras have been appointed (yet)?

Whatever happened to "I will accept the decision of the court !" before the doughnut man got caught. Why was no appeal lodged?

BTW "Naive, I don't think." is how it is written, but it means the opposite of what you were attempting to express. I hope you get there soon.

[scotbeve]

Now, Abhisit is becoming courageous, and asking for action on Thaksin. This would not be so amusing, except for the fact that he did very, very little to pursue Thaksin while he was PM. His army bosses told him not to, so he did not. Now, he is pushing the reds to do something, and treat him just like any other fugitive. Abhisit is a coward, and a tiny man. He lacks any conviction, and only talks, and talks. "Dee tab poot", good at talking, but not much else. What a pathetic loser. He cannot come to grips with the fact that he was voted out, and by a huge margin. He had so many opportunities to pursue Thaksin. Thailand made a grievous error by not getting him while they could. What a mistake.

Abhisits crew sent a dossier to interpol to arrest Thaksin on terrorism charges. The director of Interpol used it for wiping away his tears of laughter at the terrorism charge but saved a couple of the pages to wipe his butt on. Sad how Thaksin is welcome most places but not here. The world knows the truth about this but most of farangs on here sadly dont

Good reply. :jap: Hopefully ALL THE TRUTH will come out soonish!!

[OzMick]

About Thaksin he was absolutely right. Unless Thaksin's case is reopen, the evidence evaluated by a different, non-coup appointed body and overturned. Other than that, it should stand as it is.

For the record, the evidence was evaluated by a non-coup appointed body.

Thai ex-PM guilty of corruption

Thailand's fugitive ex-PM Thaksin Shinawatra has been found guilty of corruption and sentenced to two years in prison by the Thai Supreme Court.

BBC - 21 October 2008

http://news.bbc.co.u...fic/7681416.stm

Interesting that you use the BBC's post (interesting in that most pro democrats were decrying the BBC coverage of events last year, saying they were biased, but in this case the post agrees with your viewpoint) with respect to the verdict.

In reality the charge was "convicted of conflict of interest" not corruption.

http://www.thenation...in-found-guiltyhttp://www.nytimes.c...sia/22thai.html

http://www.heraldsun...x-1111117816556

http://www.nytimes.c...sia/22thai.html

A fine little piece of nit-picking. Do you agree with this definition?

"A conflict of interest (COI) occurs when an individual or organization is involved in multiple interests, one of which could possibly corrupt the motivation for an act in the other.

A conflict of interest can only exist if a person or testimony is entrusted with some impartiality; a modicum of trust is necessary to create it. The presence of a conflict of interest is independent from the execution of impropriety. Therefore, a conflict of interest can be discovered and voluntarily defused before any corruption occurs."

As the deal was done, and evidence indicates a nice little earner to be made, IMHO corruption is an accurate description.

[sfbandung]

I think they just post this stuff once or twice a day to keep everyone at each other's throats.

[hammered]

Im trying to get my head around how the standard of treat a fugitive as a fugitive goes along with no reason to ditch a police chief who had all that illegal stuff going on under his watch which was exposed by the parliamentary opposition. I would have thought the arguement was either treat Thaksin as a fugitive and sack the police chief or well you know old police chief man couldnt do much about it and old Thaksin was only doing what we all do and so nobody should suffer.

The Dems right now seem to be giving everyone a daily laugh. Sure being a pain in the butt to the government is their job but a little consistency wouldnt go amiss. All this we want you to crack down on your mates that we hate because of the law but you cant touch our mates whatever they have done stuff just looks really silly

[CHIEFOFFICER]

when the People Power Party was in power, the then government set the legal guidelines not to forward a pardon petition to the Royal Palace if the case involved a fugitive.

"but...but... it's different now"

but... but... we don't agree with the charges against him

(neither does any other convict in the world!)

TIT :jap:

[Buchholz]

About Thaksin he was absolutely right. Unless Thaksin's case is reopen, the evidence evaluated by a different, non-coup appointed body and overturned. Other than that, it should stand as it is.

For the record, the evidence was evaluated by a non-coup appointed body.

Thai ex-PM guilty of corruption

Thailand's fugitive ex-PM Thaksin Shinawatra has been found guilty of corruption and sentenced to two years in prison by the Thai Supreme Court.

BBC - 21 October 2008

http://news.bbc.co.u...fic/7681416.stm

Which non coup elected body are you referring to.

The Supreme Court.

.

[Buchholz]

About Thaksin he was absolutely right. Unless Thaksin's case is reopen, the evidence evaluated by a different, non-coup appointed body and overturned. Other than that, it should stand as it is.

For the record, the evidence was evaluated by a non-coup appointed body.

Thailand's fugitive ex-PM Thaksin Shinawatra has been found guilty of corruption and sentenced to two years in prison by the Thai Supreme Court.

BBC - 21 October 2008

Interesting that you use the BBC's post (interesting in that most pro democrats were decrying the BBC coverage of events last year, saying they were biased

2008 was not last year

[MunterHunter]

Which non coup elected body are you referring to.

The Supreme Court.

I love the way almost everyone seems to forget (or ignore) this part... coup or no coup, army installed government or elected government... none of that changes the fact that the highest court in the land found this guy guilty... now unless you have a problem with the person who selects these judges, you should respect the verdict...

[pisico]

Im trying to get my head around how the standard of treat a fugitive as a fugitive goes along with no reason to ditch a police chief who had all that illegal stuff going on under his watch which was exposed by the parliamentary opposition. I would have thought the arguement was either treat Thaksin as a fugitive and sack the police chief or well you know old police chief man couldnt do much about it and old Thaksin was only doing what we all do and so nobody should suffer.

The Dems right now seem to be giving everyone a daily laugh. Sure being a pain in the butt to the government is their job but a little consistency wouldnt go amiss. All this we want you to crack down on your mates that we hate because of the law but you cant touch our mates whatever they have done stuff just looks really silly

Your logic is ironclad.

But the Rabid Democrats will not accept that. They have to agree with everything their idol and leader does or says. Even if it is laughable, such a deriding the decision to sack the Chief of the Royal Police.

If Thaksin is a fugitive (same as Abhisit's brother for different reasons and standards), removal of the Chief of police for dereliction of duty is a true sequitur.

The problem is that Democrats cannot understand that Abhisit is the least qualified to be in charge of the party. He was booted out by a large margin. His Deputy PM was deeply hated.

Abhisit is a has been who reached the position of PM due to the coup. I know, there will come the windfall of arguments saying that he was (technically) elected by the MPs after the coup. Blah, blah, blah.

If Yingluck is a clone, Abhisit has been a puppet all along. His performance so far in parliament has been to obstruct and criticize, not to improve the state of politics or for the good of the people of Thailand. He cannot set a standard because now he does not have a man in green whispering orders into his brain. He is not evil, he is simply inadequate for the task, past and present. Thais voted him out and voted Yingluck in office.

[OzMick]

Im trying to get my head around how the standard of treat a fugitive as a fugitive goes along with no reason to ditch a police chief who had all that illegal stuff going on under his watch which was exposed by the parliamentary opposition. I would have thought the arguement was either treat Thaksin as a fugitive and sack the police chief or well you know old police chief man couldnt do much about it and old Thaksin was only doing what we all do and so nobody should suffer.

The Dems right now seem to be giving everyone a daily laugh. Sure being a pain in the butt to the government is their job but a little consistency wouldnt go amiss. All this we want you to crack down on your mates that we hate because of the law but you cant touch our mates whatever they have done stuff just looks really silly

What is really silly is trying to confuse the issue by combining the separate sections of the OP into one, when they clearly refer to individual events several years apart which occurred under different governments.

[hammered]

I truly wonder what will happen with the denizens of TV when/if Thaksin returns and not to jail. These threads should be a good giggle on the day that happens if it does.

[Buchholz]

But the Rabid Democrats will not accept that. They have to agree with everything their idol and leader does or says. Even if it is laughable, such a deriding the decision to sack the Chief of the Royal Police.

If Thaksin is a fugitive (same as Abhisit's brother for different reasons and standards)

speaking of laughable

[tragickingdom]

Agreed, teat anyone precisely the same. What means that Abhisit an Suthep should be treated as any other dictatorship that turned the guns on its people. It means too that the soldiers who ordered and who shot should be in the dock. Unfortunately we know for over 10 months that Suthep as the man responsible for DSI has falsified the reports and investigations into the deaths of many citizens and two nurses.

Abhisit is the last one who should comment on what the new government does or does not. He is as human rights abuser on precisely the same level as the man his criticizes.

[Insight]

I truly wonder what will happen with the denizens of TV when/if Thaksin returns and not to jail. These threads should be a good giggle on the day that happens if it does.

Thailand will be a good giggle the day that happens.

Except for those who Thais who had the hope that "the rule of law" would help ensure fairness and bring an end to this mess. What a sorry day it will be for them.

And they ain't a minority either.

[Insight]

Agreed, teat anyone precisely the same. What means that Abhisit an Suthep should be treated as any other dictatorship that turned the guns on its people. It means too that the soldiers who ordered and who shot should be in the dock. Unfortunately we know for over 10 months that Suthep as the man responsible for DSI has falsified the reports and investigations into the deaths of many citizens and two nurses.

Abhisit is the last one who should comment on what the new government does or does not. He is as human rights abuser on precisely the same level as the man his criticizes.

How about I camp out on your doorstep for two months? Please note its unlikely I'll be able to hold my bowels for that long.

If I do, please resist the extreme temptation to shoot me.

[phiphidon]

About Thaksin he was absolutely right. Unless Thaksin's case is reopen, the evidence evaluated by a different, non-coup appointed body and overturned. Other than that, it should stand as it is.

For the record, the evidence was evaluated by a non-coup appointed body.

Thai ex-PM guilty of corruption

Thailand's fugitive ex-PM Thaksin Shinawatra has been found guilty of corruption and sentenced to two years in prison by the Thai Supreme Court.

BBC - 21 October 2008

http://news.bbc.co.u...fic/7681416.stm

Interesting that you use the BBC's post (interesting in that most pro democrats were decrying the BBC coverage of events last year, saying they were biased, but in this case the post agrees with your viewpoint) with respect to the verdict.

In reality the charge was "convicted of conflict of interest" not corruption.

http://www.thenation...in-found-guiltyhttp://www.nytimes.c...sia/22thai.html

http://www.heraldsun...x-1111117816556

http://www.nytimes.c...sia/22thai.html

A fine little piece of nit-picking. Do you agree with this definition?

"A conflict of interest (COI) occurs when an individual or organization is involved in multiple interests, one of which could possibly corrupt the motivation for an act in the other.

A conflict of interest can only exist if a person or testimony is entrusted with some impartiality; a modicum of trust is necessary to create it. The presence of a conflict of interest is independent from the execution of impropriety. Therefore, a conflict of interest can be discovered and voluntarily defused before any corruption occurs."

As the deal was done, and evidence indicates a nice little earner to be made, IMHO corruption is an accurate description.

Well a "nice little earner" was made - by the Abhisit government when they sold the land at auction at over twice the price Pojtaman paid for it, really can't see how corruption fits in there, especially as they had to compensate her for the land in the first place and only did so at the price she paid, not the price the government made on the sale. Who's corrupt?