JannoDL Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 Hi All I have two bikes, with green book and everything. Now i am looking at a Big-Bike but most of them only comes with an invoice, so i wondered if anyone would explain the difference clearly and simple. Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JannoDL Posted October 18, 2011 Author Share Posted October 18, 2011 Can it really be true that nobody knows the difference between buying a bike with a green bok, or buying one with only invoices? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funcat Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 I think there is a motorcycle forum with lots of experts on this subject,I'm not....maybe you could simply click on "search" and find the answer...or use simple common sense...the green book is official(and legal) registration document,the invoice is just a paper stating,that the bike has been brought to the country legally...but must be still registered,what from my understanding, costs a lot...a lot !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yankee99 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 I am of the understanding that without a green book the bike can not be legally registered or driven in thailand.........Anybody can print a invoice so up to you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JannoDL Posted October 18, 2011 Author Share Posted October 18, 2011 I am of the understanding that without a green book the bike can not be legally registered or driven in thailand.........Anybody can print a invoice so up to you So you are saying that this basically is the same as having a bike without a license plate? That wont fly in my city... I think there is a motorcycle forum with lots of experts on this subject,I'm not....maybe you could simply click on "search" and find the answer...or use simple common sense...the green book is official(and legal) registration document,the invoice is just a paper stating,that the bike has been brought to the country legally...but must be still registered,what from my understanding, costs a lot...a lot !! And after researching a lot... a lot I have not found a clear answer yet... people think they know, but noone says they know the answer... But from what i have been able to put togtether from different answers it looks like if i buy a bike with only the invoice, i would have to pay import tax for it to get a green book and license plate... So you are probably right, it will be rather expensive... But then it gets confusing again because this seller who appears to sell a lot of bikes writes the following: "come with all Thailand Legal Riding and Ownership Documentation (No Greenbook) + One Year Transferable Insurance Available" And it gets me thinking, how can the bike be fully legal without plates? and how can it be insured without plates? I still need some answers... but maybe i need to go to a more specialised forum to get them... Thanks for trying guys... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funcat Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Most of it here......http://www.gt-rider.com/motorcycles-in-thailand/importing-motorcycles-into-thailand/motorcycle-import Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Basically AFAIR if you have the green book for a motorcycle andthe book details match the bike ie chassis and engine numbers, colour, number of cylinders, cc etc you can buy and sell the bike legally. It will have a number plate, perhaps tax and insurance. On pages 4 and 5 (and up to pages 14 and 15) will be the details of the bike and the previous owners. 16 and 17 will tell you when the road tax was last paid. 18 and 19 will list the owners and any change of number plates due to moving to a new district etc. Basically (if it not a fake document) it means that it is legal and you can buy it,own it, ride it away and do what you like with it. That is the easy bit. Now assuming that the bike does not have a green book but it does have a full invoice with all duties paid etc then all you need to do is to go to the local vehicle licencing department and register it. Easy? No! Firstly it will need a full emission check which is only done at a couple of places in the country, Mor Chit in BKK for certain but I am not sure of any more. Depending on the bike it can cost anywhere between 50 and 100,000 baht to get it done legally and it can take several months or more to get it done. After that provided all the customs duties are paid and you have the receipts you should be able to get it registered and legal to use on the road. Provided that you have all the documents AND have insurance which is difficult with no number plate then you may be able to ride it around. Now if it is a nice big bike and you have no plate and the local BiB take a fancy to it they can stop you and impound the bike while you sort out the fines and paperwork and your bike may get "lost" in the police compound but you may see a policeman riding around on it. You wrote But then it gets confusing again because this seller who appears to sell a lot of bikes writes the following: "come with all Thailand Legal Riding and Ownership Documentation (No Greenbook) + One Year Transferable Insurance Available" If you believe and trust him, before you buy from him please come to see me as I have a bridge for sale cheap and only one owner from new. Basically my advice to you is simple, easy and free. If it has a green book then most probably it is legal and OK. If it doesn't the please politely walk away and keep your money until another bike you like with a green book turns up. I have a Honda Phantom which I bought over 2 years ago with 5,xxx on the speedo which is a goog reliable cruiser despite the slagging it gets from hyper bikers but a rocket ship it ain't. I looked around at a lot of bikes, Honda steeds etc which with a green book were out of my price range and without the green book would have cost more in the long term. I eventually found after about 6 months of looking a Yamaha Virago 535 cc with a green book and legal though a bit untidy and it took me a month and 2 trips to BKK to get it. In the meantime I saw some beautiful Viragos and Steeds but not one with a green book. There will probably be a few bikers who will read my post and say but it isn't like that, it's really easy as I know a guy who did it quick and cheap and.... etc. Always remember in the end it is your money and your choice. My advice, go for one with a green book preferably owned by a farang as we belive in servicing and TLC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaicbr Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^6 what he said... just to add.. some people think that if the 3% excise tax is paid then the bike is legal to ride (like the guy said) but all that gets you is that the customs will not seize the bike.. Police can still fine you for no number plate etc etc. Really not worth it.. By the way what bikes are you looking at and what is your budget? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JannoDL Posted October 18, 2011 Author Share Posted October 18, 2011 Basically AFAIR if you have the green book for a motorcycle andthe book details match the bike ie chassis and engine numbers, colour, number of cylinders, cc etc you can buy and sell the bike legally. It will have a number plate, perhaps tax and insurance. On pages 4 and 5 (and up to pages 14 and 15) will be the details of the bike and the previous owners. 16 and 17 will tell you when the road tax was last paid. 18 and 19 will list the owners and any change of number plates due to moving to a new district etc. Basically (if it not a fake document) it means that it is legal and you can buy it,own it, ride it away and do what you like with it. That is the easy bit. Now assuming that the bike does not have a green book but it does have a full invoice with all duties paid etc then all you need to do is to go to the local vehicle licencing department and register it. Easy? No! Firstly it will need a full emission check which is only done at a couple of places in the country, Mor Chit in BKK for certain but I am not sure of any more. Depending on the bike it can cost anywhere between 50 and 100,000 baht to get it done legally and it can take several months or more to get it done. After that provided all the customs duties are paid and you have the receipts you should be able to get it registered and legal to use on the road. Provided that you have all the documents AND have insurance which is difficult with no number plate then you may be able to ride it around. Now if it is a nice big bike and you have no plate and the local BiB take a fancy to it they can stop you and impound the bike while you sort out the fines and paperwork and your bike may get "lost" in the police compound but you may see a policeman riding around on it. You wrote But then it gets confusing again because this seller who appears to sell a lot of bikes writes the following: "come with all Thailand Legal Riding and Ownership Documentation (No Greenbook) + One Year Transferable Insurance Available" If you believe and trust him, before you buy from him please come to see me as I have a bridge for sale cheap and only one owner from new. Basically my advice to you is simple, easy and free. If it has a green book then most probably it is legal and OK. If it doesn't the please politely walk away and keep your money until another bike you like with a green book turns up. I have a Honda Phantom which I bought over 2 years ago with 5,xxx on the speedo which is a goog reliable cruiser despite the slagging it gets from hyper bikers but a rocket ship it ain't. I looked around at a lot of bikes, Honda steeds etc which with a green book were out of my price range and without the green book would have cost more in the long term. I eventually found after about 6 months of looking a Yamaha Virago 535 cc with a green book and legal though a bit untidy and it took me a month and 2 trips to BKK to get it. In the meantime I saw some beautiful Viragos and Steeds but not one with a green book. There will probably be a few bikers who will read my post and say but it isn't like that, it's really easy as I know a guy who did it quick and cheap and.... etc. Always remember in the end it is your money and your choice. My advice, go for one with a green book preferably owned by a farang as we belive in servicing and TLC. Perfect answer my big hairy friend... I am supposing you are a big huggable bear... lol Fun aside, this is a really good answer, it just ended my search for any bike without a green book. Clearly i need to be extremely lucky for it to be worth it.... Apart from that i should take a good look at the book, and compare it with the bike as much as possible, and if it looks good i can buy it safely. BTW i have had my eye on a virago 535... what is it like, and does it give me that chopper feeling? I want a bike for cruising, and i am in love with the shadow, and the steed, but with green book they are very expensive. Thanks a lot Janno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JannoDL Posted October 18, 2011 Author Share Posted October 18, 2011 (edited) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^6 what he said... just to add.. some people think that if the 3% excise tax is paid then the bike is legal to ride (like the guy said) but all that gets you is that the customs will not seize the bike.. Police can still fine you for no number plate etc etc. Really not worth it.. By the way what bikes are you looking at and what is your budget? Thanks, i will remember that... I am looking for some kind of a chopper, in a decent condition, my budget is maybe 100k, if i find the right bike... Edit: a bike from one of the big producers, not some chinese crap, that has never been serviced... Edited October 18, 2011 by JannoDL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwasaki Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^6 what he said... just to add.. some people think that if the 3% excise tax is paid then the bike is legal to ride (like the guy said) but all that gets you is that the customs will not seize the bike.. Police can still fine you for no number plate etc etc. Really not worth it.. By the way what bikes are you looking at and what is your budget? Thanks, i will remember that... I am looking for some kind of a chopper, in a decent condition, my budget is maybe 100k, if i find the right bike... Edit: a bike from one of the big producers, not some chinese crap, that has never been serviced... You would be better off in the " Bikes in Thailand " forum really, really, there is so much to answer on your questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaicbr Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 (edited) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^6 what he said... just to add.. some people think that if the 3% excise tax is paid then the bike is legal to ride (like the guy said) but all that gets you is that the customs will not seize the bike.. Police can still fine you for no number plate etc etc. Really not worth it.. By the way what bikes are you looking at and what is your budget? Thanks, i will remember that... I am looking for some kind of a chopper, in a decent condition, my budget is maybe 100k, if i find the right bike... Edit: a bike from one of the big producers, not some chinese crap, that has never been serviced... Umm for 100,000b you may be looking a long time.. also budget another 15-20,000b to get it up to standard. Fixing the things that need doing new tyres etc. Then have a fairly healthy budget to keep it running. 165,000b http://mocyc.com/store/view.php?idclassified=599583 Edited October 18, 2011 by thaicbr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwasaki Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^6 what he said... just to add.. some people think that if the 3% excise tax is paid then the bike is legal to ride (like the guy said) but all that gets you is that the customs will not seize the bike.. Police can still fine you for no number plate etc etc. Really not worth it.. By the way what bikes are you looking at and what is your budget? Thanks, i will remember that... I am looking for some kind of a chopper, in a decent condition, my budget is maybe 100k, if i find the right bike... Edit: a bike from one of the big producers, not some chinese crap, that has never been serviced... Umm for 100,000b you may be looking a long time.. also budget another 15-20,000b to get it up to standard. Fixing the things that need doing new tyres etc. Then have a fairly healthy budget to keep it running. 165,000b http://mocyc.com/sto...assified=599583 Good find, I was looking at the greenbook picture I think it was for year road 100bht on a 400 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaicbr Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^6 what he said... just to add.. some people think that if the 3% excise tax is paid then the bike is legal to ride (like the guy said) but all that gets you is that the customs will not seize the bike.. Police can still fine you for no number plate etc etc. Really not worth it.. By the way what bikes are you looking at and what is your budget? Thanks, i will remember that... I am looking for some kind of a chopper, in a decent condition, my budget is maybe 100k, if i find the right bike... Edit: a bike from one of the big producers, not some chinese crap, that has never been serviced... Umm for 100,000b you may be looking a long time.. also budget another 15-20,000b to get it up to standard. Fixing the things that need doing new tyres etc. Then have a fairly healthy budget to keep it running. 165,000b http://mocyc.com/sto...assified=599583 Good find, I was looking at the greenbook picture I think it was for year road 100bht on a 400 ? Thats tax... 100b correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JannoDL Posted October 18, 2011 Author Share Posted October 18, 2011 Umm for 100,000b you may be looking a long time.. also budget another 15-20,000b to get it up to standard. Fixing the things that need doing new tyres etc. Then have a fairly healthy budget to keep it running. 165,000b http://mocyc.com/sto...assified=599583 That was the answer i did not wish for... I guess i should reconsider my plans, and either forget it, or revise my budget... All of this is happening because of a test drive of a Shadow 750... since then my cbr 150 2010 model haven´t felt as good as it used too... I just loved riding a chopper, and the extra power felt really good too... Hmmmmm..... i think i may need to take another look at that budget after all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaicbr Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Or just sell your bike and get a Cbr250 2011.. new or 2nd hand.. it is a great improvement on the 150. and well within your budget. And still excellent on fuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Basically AFAIR if you have the green book for a motorcycle andthe book details match the bike ie chassis and engine numbers, colour, number of cylinders, cc etc you can buy and sell the bike legally. It will have a number plate, perhaps tax and insurance. On pages 4 and 5 (and up to pages 14 and 15) will be the details of the bike and the previous owners. 16 and 17 will tell you when the road tax was last paid. 18 and 19 will list the owners and any change of number plates due to moving to a new district etc. Basically (if it not a fake document) it means that it is legal and you can buy it,own it, ride it away and do what you like with it. That is the easy bit. Now assuming that the bike does not have a green book but it does have a full invoice with all duties paid etc then all you need to do is to go to the local vehicle licencing department and register it. Easy? No! Firstly it will need a full emission check which is only done at a couple of places in the country, Mor Chit in BKK for certain but I am not sure of any more. Depending on the bike it can cost anywhere between 50 and 100,000 baht to get it done legally and it can take several months or more to get it done. After that provided all the customs duties are paid and you have the receipts you should be able to get it registered and legal to use on the road. Provided that you have all the documents AND have insurance which is difficult with no number plate then you may be able to ride it around. Now if it is a nice big bike and you have no plate and the local BiB take a fancy to it they can stop you and impound the bike while you sort out the fines and paperwork and your bike may get "lost" in the police compound but you may see a policeman riding around on it. You wrote But then it gets confusing again because this seller who appears to sell a lot of bikes writes the following: "come with all Thailand Legal Riding and Ownership Documentation (No Greenbook) + One Year Transferable Insurance Available" If you believe and trust him, before you buy from him please come to see me as I have a bridge for sale cheap and only one owner from new. Basically my advice to you is simple, easy and free. If it has a green book then most probably it is legal and OK. If it doesn't the please politely walk away and keep your money until another bike you like with a green book turns up. I have a Honda Phantom which I bought over 2 years ago with 5,xxx on the speedo which is a goog reliable cruiser despite the slagging it gets from hyper bikers but a rocket ship it ain't. I looked around at a lot of bikes, Honda steeds etc which with a green book were out of my price range and without the green book would have cost more in the long term. I eventually found after about 6 months of looking a Yamaha Virago 535 cc with a green book and legal though a bit untidy and it took me a month and 2 trips to BKK to get it. In the meantime I saw some beautiful Viragos and Steeds but not one with a green book. There will probably be a few bikers who will read my post and say but it isn't like that, it's really easy as I know a guy who did it quick and cheap and.... etc. Always remember in the end it is your money and your choice. My advice, go for one with a green book preferably owned by a farang as we belive in servicing and TLC. Perfect answer my big hairy friend... I am supposing you are a big huggable bear... lol Fun aside, this is a really good answer, it just ended my search for any bike without a green book. Clearly i need to be extremely lucky for it to be worth it.... Apart from that i should take a good look at the book, and compare it with the bike as much as possible, and if it looks good i can buy it safely. BTW i have had my eye on a virago 535... what is it like, and does it give me that chopper feeling? I want a bike for cruising, and i am in love with the shadow, and the steed, but with green book they are very expensive. Thanks a lot Janno Oddly enough the Virago 535 is not that common in Thailand and I was lucky to find mine. It looks like this It does give me that comfortable cruiser feeling. I still have my 200cc Phantom but it was never a rocket ship and while the power was OK (just)5th and 6th gear were both overdrives and to get anywhere I had to boot it down into 3rd or 4th. It would cruise all day around 95 kph but overtaking was always interesting. The Virago cruises comfortably around 115 to 120 kph and I have reached 151 kph (GPS true)simply by opening the throttle wide. There are quite a few Virago 400s around and some with green books too. Mine cost me 50,000 baht with a green book, 2 side panniers and a top box but it was lying around mostly unused and needed (it still does) some TLC and is not perfect by any means but definitely worth the wait and the money BUT you need to find a good reliable mechanic or work on it yourself and spares are not always easy to find. That said however I really enjoy riding it and I still get a kick out of keeping up with some of the local boys with their Sonics and loud exhausts then smilinmg and waving gracefully wind the throttle open and leave them behind. Sometimes I play dropping 2 or 3 gears and disappearing. I am old and it is a way of having some harmless fun. I saw a beautiful Kawasaki (I think) Zephyr and my bike mechanics place but alas no green book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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