Sluice Gates Closed To Save Bangchan Industrial Estate

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Sluice gates closed to save Bangchan industrial estate

The Nation

The flood menace to the Bangchan Industrial Estate and its 93 factories in eastern Bangkok eased yesterday after the sluice gates of Canals 8, 9 and 10 in Pathum Thani were closed, but not without protest.

Bangkok Governor Sukhumbhand Paribatra indicated that the action was taken to reduce the risk to the 677-rai industrial park.

However, locals have demanded that the Flood Relief Operation Centre open Canal 9's gate immediately.

The massive flood has already wiped out all industrial parks in Ayutthaya and Pathum Thani and is now invading the capital.

The management of the Bangchan Industrial Estate and its factories as well as authorities are trying to put up the best defence possible.

Soldiers and workers from the Industrial Estate Authority of Thailand are now monitoring water level in canals and Kratiam Pond near the estate all the time.

On its eastern side lies Saen Saeb Canal, whose nearest gate is now open. Boats are being used to expel the water as fast as possible to lower the canal's level.

A source said the estate's executives noticed that the water in the Bangchan Canal, which runs right into the heart of the estate, was flowing fast.

Most manufacturing facilities here are producing food and beverages for familiar brands such as Farmhouse and Hanami.

Residents of Pracha Ruamjai Road also rallied to demand that a sluice gate of Saen Saeb Canal near their neighbourhood be lifted by one extra metre.

The locals said if the gate was higher, flooding in their community, which is now submerged under 30 centimetres of floodwater, would subside.

Sources said if the gate was opened wider, Bangchan Industrial Estate and Bang Kapi, Ramkhamhaeng and Hua Mark roads would all be inundated.

-- The Nation 2011-11-04

[tominbkk]

The water is going to go where it wants to go.....

[zakk9]

The water is going to go where it wants to go.....

Quite right, and until they understand that, most attempts to block the flooding will only lead the water to areas where it's beyond any control. But this is the same story again and again and again.

[whybother]

The water is going to go where it wants to go.....

Quite right, and until they understand that, most attempts to block the flooding will only lead the water to areas where it's beyond any control. But this is the same story again and again and again.

Actually, in this case, the water is going to go where the mob wants it to go.

[dominique355]

The water is going to go where it wants to go.....

Quite right, and until they understand that, most attempts to block the flooding will only lead the water to areas where it's beyond any control. But this is the same story again and again and again.

So no need for canals?

It is quite possible to make the water go where we want it to go, but that needs advanced planing, and there might be the problem.

[MikeyIdea]

A bit controversial perhaps but one can hope that most of the people that will get unemployed when Bang Chan industrial estate floods were the one supporting the opening of the sluice gate that caused it

[robblok]

The water is going to go where it wants to go.....

Quite right, and until they understand that, most attempts to block the flooding will only lead the water to areas where it's beyond any control. But this is the same story again and again and again.

Actually, in this case, the water is going to go where the mob wants it to go.

Im sure they would be more then happy to be compensated by the industrial estate. That would make it fair they are to be sacrificed just offer them compensation.

Im pretty sure you would not be happy if the government said your car will have to be destroyed so the Mercedes of the mayor can be saved and you were not offered compensation.

[whybother]

Im sure they would be more then happy to be compensated by the industrial estate. That would make it fair they are to be sacrificed just offer them compensation.

Im pretty sure you would not be happy if the government said your car will have to be destroyed so the Mercedes of the mayor can be saved and you were not offered compensation.

They're not talking about saving people's cars. They are talking about saving people's jobs.

If the gates were opened from day one, these people would still be flooded and their cars and properties destroyed. But a sh1t load more would be as well.

[LivinLOS]

If the gates were opened from day one, these people would still be flooded and their cars and properties destroyed. But a sh1t load more would be as well.

But would they be flooded as badly ?? Would their property be as badly damaged.

Even the most pro 'maintain the barriers' has to admit that doing so costs those on the other side greater harm.

[beano2274]

Im sure they would be more then happy to be compensated by the industrial estate. That would make it fair they are to be sacrificed just offer them compensation.

Im pretty sure you would not be happy if the government said your car will have to be destroyed so the Mercedes of the mayor can be saved and you were not offered compensation.

They're not talking about saving people's cars. They are talking about saving people's jobs.

If the gates were opened from day one, these people would still be flooded and their cars and properties destroyed. But a sh1t load more would be as well.

The water will get through the sandbags, it will also come from underneath into the Industrial Estate, it is gonna be a hard couple of days for those employed there.

[robblok]

Im sure they would be more then happy to be compensated by the industrial estate. That would make it fair they are to be sacrificed just offer them compensation.

Im pretty sure you would not be happy if the government said your car will have to be destroyed so the Mercedes of the mayor can be saved and you were not offered compensation.

They're not talking about saving people's cars. They are talking about saving people's jobs.

If the gates were opened from day one, these people would still be flooded and their cars and properties destroyed. But a sh1t load more would be as well.

They are still being sacrificed for a so called greater good and not being really compensated. Who says they work there.

Anyway if it had been opened from day 1 a lot more water could have been drained. Dams only make it worse if the water cant go anywhere. Now the only way the water can go is to flood. Else it can stream on.

Dams are only good if you give the water a alternative, now the alternative is to flood people even more and not compensate them.

I am pretty sure many dams only make it worse they hold the water a while and then burst.

[robblok]

Im sure they would be more then happy to be compensated by the industrial estate. That would make it fair they are to be sacrificed just offer them compensation.

Im pretty sure you would not be happy if the government said your car will have to be destroyed so the Mercedes of the mayor can be saved and you were not offered compensation.

They're not talking about saving people's cars. They are talking about saving people's jobs.

If the gates were opened from day one, these people would still be flooded and their cars and properties destroyed. But a sh1t load more would be as well.

The water will get through the sandbags, it will also come from underneath into the Industrial Estate, it is gonna be a hard couple of days for those employed there.

Sure i seen it here too our village was sandbagged (but gave the water alternative routes out. But in the end it still flooded through the drains. You cant stop it. Those other estates did not flood through the sandbags but through the drains.

[McGarty]

The water is going to go where it wants to go.....

Quite right, and until they understand that, most attempts to block the flooding will only lead the water to areas where it's beyond any control. But this is the same story again and again and again.

So no need for canals?

It is quite possible to make the water go where we want it to go, but that needs advanced planing, and there might be the problem.

+1

[MikeyIdea]

Im sure they would be more then happy to be compensated by the industrial estate. That would make it fair they are to be sacrificed just offer them compensation.

Im pretty sure you would not be happy if the government said your car will have to be destroyed so the Mercedes of the mayor can be saved and you were not offered compensation.

Your comparison is totally irrelevant

The mayors Mercedes doesn't pay for my childrens education and protection (schools and police)

Or does it?

[sparebox2]

Believe me. Water will out smart sluice gates.

They will find ways around it (the gates)

[robblok]

, and until they understand that, most attempts to block the flooding will only lead the water to areas where it's beyond any control. But this is the same story again and again and again.

Actually, in this case, the water is going to go where the mob wants it to go.

Im sure they would be more then happy to be compensated by the industrial estate. That would make it fair they are to be sacrificed just offer them compensation.

Im pretty sure you would not be happy if the government said your car will have to be destroyed so the Mercedes of the mayor can be saved and you were not offered compensation.

Compensated by the industrial estate because of a natural disaster. Well, lets say a disaster that was amplified by an incompetent planning department.

You are making a big assumption that the people that wanted this canal opened even have cars. There is also no need to over stress the fallacy that everyone in BKK is rich. I mean, come on....

What really irks me about this whole situation on the canal is

Ok, let's open it to a desirable level and see how it goes. We can always adjust later.

Rebels/Mob step in with their total lack of any knowledge about irrigation/flooding and start to sledge hammer the wall. PM Yingluck comes out and agrees with this mob and opens the canal even more, although she was warned it shouldn't be.

Then ohh, a couple days later, Bangchan industrial part flooding is beggining to get out of control so the sluice canal must be closed. Wow, who would of thought that the advice she was given would be correct.

Just love it how she is a expert now. Just goes to show how ignorant these mobs are and the "people in power" that fuel and use this.

The car thing was an example. Anyway the people who loose everything need to work for years to rebuild that. So come work for free for a year. We could have saved it partly but decided your job was more important. So be in servitude for a few years and you got back what you lost because we did not open the gates wider. The company however still has it big profits and has survived.

They took some risks it did not work, its better as not trying anything. I get tired of people saying jobs are important. If people have some savings they could be out of a job for a while and still have their house and possessions mostly intact. Then it would be the companies who took the hit. People use those savings for a while.. company starts again and voila people start to work.

Its not always so black and white. who says the people being flooded even work at that estate.

[robblok]

Im sure they would be more then happy to be compensated by the industrial estate. That would make it fair they are to be sacrificed just offer them compensation.

Im pretty sure you would not be happy if the government said your car will have to be destroyed so the Mercedes of the mayor can be saved and you were not offered compensation.

Your comparison is totally irrelevant

The mayors Mercedes doesn't pay for my childrens education and protection (schools and police)

Or does it?

Its an example.. of helping one and sacrificing an other. If you help those people they will have some money left to wait it all out. Now they will have to work for years to rebuild what they lost. Then they lost a few years of their life.

If they were flooded less then they could have saved more stuff and with the savings that they had survive a while. Then jobs would come back.

Anyway i think the people here that are against it are the ones that are still dry but worry about getting wet feet.

[robblok]

Im sure if they are compensated reasonably to be sacrifiecd for this estate they are more then willing to endure. Now they only stand to loose. It would be fair and all those people saying how important industry is would be happy too.

I bet the price of compensation is less then flooding the factory. Why do the poor have to pay for it alone.

[MikeyIdea]

Im sure if they are compensated reasonably to be sacrifiecd for this estate they are more then willing to endure. Now they only stand to loose. It would be fair and all those people saying how important industry is would be happy too.

I bet the price of compensation is less then flooding the factory. Why do the poor have to pay for it alone.

Why do you think that the poor pay for it alone, that is totally wrong

The poor, the middle class, the rich all pay for it

[MikeyIdea]

Im sure they would be more then happy to be compensated by the industrial estate. That would make it fair they are to be sacrificed just offer them compensation.

Im pretty sure you would not be happy if the government said your car will have to be destroyed so the Mercedes of the mayor can be saved and you were not offered compensation.

Your comparison is totally irrelevant

The mayors Mercedes doesn't pay for my childrens education and protection (schools and police)

Or does it?

Its an example.. of helping one and sacrificing an other. If you help those people they will have some money left to wait it all out. Now they will have to work for years to rebuild what they lost. Then they lost a few years of their life.

If they were flooded less then they could have saved more stuff and with the savings that they had survive a while. Then jobs would come back.

Anyway i think the people here that are against it are the ones that are still dry but worry about getting wet feet.

Wrong again, you are often wrong robblok

[robblok]

Im sure if they are compensated reasonably to be sacrifiecd for this estate they are more then willing to endure. Now they only stand to loose. It would be fair and all those people saying how important industry is would be happy too.

I bet the price of compensation is less then flooding the factory. Why do the poor have to pay for it alone.

Why do you think that the poor pay for it alone, that is totally wrong

The poor, the middle class, the rich all pay for it

Could you then tell me how the rich factory owners pay for this if the locals are sacrificed for it ? Seems then the locals are the only ones paying. If the factory owners of the estate would compensate them then both would suffer.

[robblok]

Im sure they would be more then happy to be compensated by the industrial estate. That would make it fair they are to be sacrificed just offer them compensation.

Im pretty sure you would not be happy if the government said your car will have to be destroyed so the Mercedes of the mayor can be saved and you were not offered compensation.

Your comparison is totally irrelevant

The mayors Mercedes doesn't pay for my childrens education and protection (schools and police)

Or does it?

Its an example.. of helping one and sacrificing an other. If you help those people they will have some money left to wait it all out. Now they will have to work for years to rebuild what they lost. Then they lost a few years of their life.

If they were flooded less then they could have saved more stuff and with the savings that they had survive a while. Then jobs would come back.

Anyway i think the people here that are against it are the ones that are still dry but worry about getting wet feet.

Wrong again, you are often wrong robblok

In this case i think im more wrong then right. Sure there will be a few with wet feet but the majority is dry who oppose this. Anyway i say share the burden, if you want to flood someone to save others compensate them. Don't say you can keep your job its compensation enough.

If your house has to be destroyed to make way for a road you get compensation, why is it different this time ?. And no i am not asking for compensation for myself. I am flooded here (receding here in the north of bkk in an other two 3 weeks im dry). Just find it unfair to sacrifice one and tell them to live with it accept it. While there is no real compensation.

[MikeyIdea]

Im sure if they are compensated reasonably to be sacrifiecd for this estate they are more then willing to endure. Now they only stand to loose. It would be fair and all those people saying how important industry is would be happy too.

I bet the price of compensation is less then flooding the factory. Why do the poor have to pay for it alone.

Why do you think that the poor pay for it alone, that is totally wrong

The poor, the middle class, the rich all pay for it

Could you then tell me how the rich factory owners pay for this if the locals are sacrificed for it ? Seems then the locals are the only ones paying. If the factory owners of the estate would compensate them then both would suffer.

You have a very narrow view of the world robblok, too much muscles around the eyes?

The poor, the middle class, the rich in all provinces in Thailand will feel the effect of the decrease in revenue the government gets, that's why a narrow-minded decision should not be taken

[robblok]

Im sure if they are compensated reasonably to be sacrifiecd for this estate they are more then willing to endure. Now they only stand to loose. It would be fair and all those people saying how important industry is would be happy too.

I bet the price of compensation is less then flooding the factory. Why do the poor have to pay for it alone.

Why do you think that the poor pay for it alone, that is totally wrong

The poor, the middle class, the rich all pay for it

Could you then tell me how the rich factory owners pay for this if the locals are sacrificed for it ? Seems then the locals are the only ones paying. If the factory owners of the estate would compensate them then both would suffer.

You have a very narrow view of the world robblok, too much muscles around the eyes?

The poor, the middle class, the rich in all provinces in Thailand will feel the effect of the decrease in revenue the government gets

Nice remark attack the messenger if you cant win it with arguments. I could do the same but i wont stoop to your level.

I was talking about this situation here, not all around the country. This situation here were locals are sacrificed for a industry estate. I asked you to explain in this situation how the rich are being hurt.

You come back with an argument that all over the country the rich and poor are hurting, i agree with that assessment. But that was not the question.

[MikeyIdea]

<quote name='robblok' timestamp='1320374105' post='4820439'>

Im sure they would be more then happy to be compensated by the industrial estate. That would make it fair they are to be sacrificed just offer them compensation.

Im pretty sure you would not be happy if the government said your car will have to be destroyed so the Mercedes of the mayor can be saved and you were not offered compensation.

</quote>

Your comparison is totally irrelevant

The mayors Mercedes doesn't pay for my childrens education and protection (schools and police)

Or does it?

Its an example.. of helping one and sacrificing an other. If you help those people they will have some money left to wait it all out. Now they will have to work for years to rebuild what they lost. Then they lost a few years of their life.

If they were flooded less then they could have saved more stuff and with the savings that they had survive a while. Then jobs would come back.

Anyway i think the people here that are against it are the ones that are still dry but worry about getting wet feet.

Wrong again, you are often wrong robblok

In this case i think im more wrong then right. Sure there will be a few with wet feet but the majority is dry who oppose this. Anyway i say share the burden, if you want to flood someone to save others compensate them. Don't say you can keep your job its compensation enough.

If your house has to be destroyed to make way for a road you get compensation, why is it different this time ?. And no i am not asking for compensation for myself. I am flooded here (receding here in the north of bkk in an other two 3 weeks im dry). Just find it unfair to sacrifice one and tell them to live with it accept it. While there is no real compensation.

No, this is not about wet or dry, this is about understanding the consequences or not understanding them.

40% of the revenue that this country generate comes from Greater Bangkok. Flood that and the government will have less money to spend on education and protection of the poor children up in the north and north-east. Sounds more important that the people living around the sluice gates to me

Does it sound the same to you?

[whybother]

If the gates were opened from day one, these people would still be flooded and their cars and properties destroyed. But a sh1t load more would be as well.

But would they be flooded as badly ?? Would their property be as badly damaged.

Even the most pro 'maintain the barriers' has to admit that doing so costs those on the other side greater harm.

The water hasn't gone down since the gate has been opened so they probably would have been flooded just as badly. Just that a whole heap more people would have been flooded the same as them.

[MikeyIdea]

<quote name='robblok' timestamp='1320378743' post='4820706'>

Im sure if they are compensated reasonably to be sacrifiecd for this estate they are more then willing to endure. Now they only stand to loose. It would be fair and all those people saying how important industry is would be happy too.

I bet the price of compensation is less then flooding the factory. Why do the poor have to pay for it alone.

</quote>

Why do you think that the poor pay for it alone, that is totally wrong

The poor, the middle class, the rich all pay for it

Could you then tell me how the rich factory owners pay for this if the locals are sacrificed for it ? Seems then the locals are the only ones paying. If the factory owners of the estate would compensate them then both would suffer.

You have a very narrow view of the world robblok, too much muscles around the eyes?

The poor, the middle class, the rich in all provinces in Thailand will feel the effect of the decrease in revenue the government gets

Nice remark attack the messenger if you cant win it with arguments. I could do the same but i wont stoop to your level.

I was talking about this situation here, not all around the country. This situation here were locals are sacrificed for a industry estate. I asked you to explain in this situation how the rich are being hurt.

You come back with an argument that all over the country the rich and poor are hurting, i agree with that assessment. But that was not the question.

The rich and the poor Will Be hurting, not is

And that's the problem Rob. What is happening here is affecting the whole country, therefore, we simply cannot just see the local picture around the sluice gates

I have already answered how the rich in the whole country, and the poor too, WILL be hurt

[whybother]

Im sure they would be more then happy to be compensated by the industrial estate. That would make it fair they are to be sacrificed just offer them compensation.

Im pretty sure you would not be happy if the government said your car will have to be destroyed so the Mercedes of the mayor can be saved and you were not offered compensation.

They're not talking about saving people's cars. They are talking about saving people's jobs.

If the gates were opened from day one, these people would still be flooded and their cars and properties destroyed. But a sh1t load more would be as well.

They are still being sacrificed for a so called greater good and not being really compensated. Who says they work there.

Anyway if it had been opened from day 1 a lot more water could have been drained. Dams only make it worse if the water cant go anywhere. Now the only way the water can go is to flood. Else it can stream on.

Dams are only good if you give the water a alternative, now the alternative is to flood people even more and not compensate them.

I am pretty sure many dams only make it worse they hold the water a while and then burst.

I didn't say "saving their jobs". But jobs are being saved. If it had been opened from day 1 it just would have all been flooded. Ayutthaya flooded well before the water got to Bangkok, and if Bangkok wasn't protected, it would be in the same position as them. No one would have been spared major flooding. And it wouldn't have just drained off into the sea in a couple of days. It's basically flat - 1cm fall for each km. The water is just going to sit there, and very slowly drain away.

The water IS being given an alternative. It's not just being stopped with no where to go.

[LivinLOS]

If the gates were opened from day one, these people would still be flooded and their cars and properties destroyed. But a sh1t load more would be as well.

But would they be flooded as badly ?? Would their property be as badly damaged.

Even the most pro 'maintain the barriers' has to admit that doing so costs those on the other side greater harm.

The water hasn't gone down since the gate has been opened so they probably would have been flooded just as badly. Just that a whole heap more people would have been flooded the same as them.

No, they would have been flooded worse..

That water went somewhere.. Hence is not on them any more.

[robblok]

I didn't say "saving their jobs". But jobs are being saved. If it had been opened from day 1 it just would have all been flooded. Ayutthaya flooded well before the water got to Bangkok, and if Bangkok wasn't protected, it would be in the same position as them. No one would have been spared major flooding. And it wouldn't have just drained off into the sea in a couple of days. It's basically flat - 1cm fall for each km. The water is just going to sit there, and very slowly drain away.

The water IS being given an alternative. It's not just being stopped with no where to go.

What alternative klong or river is it being given ? Or is the alternative to flood more land ?

If it had been open from day one according to some experts we would not have been in this mess. Other experts say the opposite.. who is right ?