Red-Shirt Supporters Have No Objection To 'Secret' Cabinet Meeting: Thaksin Pardon

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Reds have no objection to 'secret' Cabinet meeting

Pravit Rojanaphruk

The Nation

Three red-shirt supporters interviewed by The Nation said they fully backed the latest move to seek a royal pardon for ousted and convicted former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, the older brother of Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra, even though the Tuesday Cabinet meeting on the subject was kept "secret".

Chainarin Kularb-um, who hosts the online red-shirt television website, democracy4.blogspot.com, said he had no problems. "This is part of the national reconciliation process. The red shirts have no [negative] reaction, it's not a big deal and I'm not surprised by it.

What's more important is how we can democratise the country and help other red shirts still in jail. However, the amnesty should be comprehensive."

Pratchaya Surakamchonrot, who is an independent researcher, said it was still too early to judge the issue and no details were available yet. However, he expressed concerns about the Cabinet discussion lacking transparency.

"If you want to help Thaksin you should do it the correct way. They should be brave enough to do it transparently and seriously talk about the principles. The Cabinet should clearly say if this meeting had really been held, otherwise it will get attacked. They should be able to make it transparent."

A middle-ranking red-shirt bureaucrat, who asked only to be referred to as Noi, said she had no problems whatsoever with the plan and that Thaksin should not even have to seek amnesty as he was "framed".

"I don't think he did anything wrong," she said, alleging that the judicial process under which Thaksin was tried and convicted for the abuse of power took place after the 2006 coup that ousted him and was politically motivated.

"If I were [Thaksin] I wouldn't even be asking for amnesty. When was he convicted and by what sort of people?" she asked.

She also questioned the ethics of the former junta-appointed prime minister Surayud Chulanont, a Privy Council member who was found to own land inside a forest reserve and yet got away with no punishment.

As for what she thought about the growing dissatisfaction among some Thais about the "secret" Cabinet meeting, Noi said: "If those on the other side want to oppose it, then let them do that. We can't control them. They have an axe to grind, not us."

-- The Nation 2011-11-17

[whybother]

In other news today, the sky is blue.

[timekeeper]

who would dare to speak out against their own paymaster..........

[mca]

In other news today, the sky is blue.

Breaking News from the Nation - People have no objections to breathing air on a regular basis.

[Buchholz]

Chainarin Kularb-um, who hosts the online red-shirt television website, democracy4.blogspot.com, said he had no problems. "This is part of the national reconciliation process. The red shirts have no [negative] reaction, it's not a big deal and I'm not surprised by it.

Interesting website.

[whybother]

Chainarin Kularb-um, who hosts the online red-shirt television website, democracy4.blogspot.com, said he had no problems. "This is part of the national reconciliation process. The red shirts have no [negative] reaction, it's not a big deal and I'm not surprised by it.

Interesting website.

Request for assistance

Please donate to the Red Shirt movement as the flow of money from Dubai has stopped temporarily.

Edited November 17, 2011 by whybother

[ThaiOats]

Chainarin Kularb-um, who hosts the online red-shirt television website, democracy4.blogspot.com, said he had no problems. "This is part of the national reconciliation process. The red shirts have no [negative] reaction, it's not a big deal and I'm not surprised by it.

Interesting website.

Indeed.

[noahvail]

Chainarin Kularb-um, who hosts the online red-shirt television website, democracy4.blogspot.com, said he had no problems. "This is part of the national reconciliation process. The red shirts have no [negative] reaction, it's not a big deal and I'm not surprised by it.

Interesting website.

Indeed.

That's it? A "red-shirt television website" and all it contains is a request for money? Bizarre.

[khunron13]

Hmmm...is there an equivalent word in the Thai language for hypocrite?

[khunron13]

Hmmm...is there an equivalent word in the Thai language for hypocrite?

[pimay11]

Hmmm...is there an equivalent word in the Thai language for hypocrite?

Yes there is.

khohn saeh saae rohng nounhypocrite; fakerคนเสแสร้ง

[kutjebu]

Hmmm...is there an equivalent word in the Thai language for hypocrite?

Yes.....Farang

[ThaiOats]

Hmmm...is there an equivalent word in the Thai language for hypocrite?

It's pretty long.. "waa tae kow ee naow tum eng" sorry my Thai Karaoke is bad.

[moe666]

What did they expect them to say, we oppose this whole heartly.

[Buchholz]

Chainarin Kularb-um, who hosts the online red-shirt television website, democracy4.blogspot.com, said he had no problems. "This is part of the national reconciliation process. The red shirts have no [negative] reaction, it's not a big deal and I'm not surprised by it.

Interesting website.

Indeed.

That's it? A "red-shirt television website" and all it contains is a request for money? Bizarre.

It would seem times are tough.

As for bizarre, I thought their sloshing around HIV tainted blood around Bangkok was more so.

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Edited November 17, 2011 by Buchholz

[lannarebirth]

That's it? A "red-shirt television website" and all it contains is a request for money? Bizarre.

It would seem times are tough.

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My guess is when the mobs are needed the money will start flowing again.

[Cayenne]

That's it? A "red-shirt television website" and all it contains is a request for money? Bizarre.

It would seem times are tough.

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My guess is when the mobs are needed the money will start flowing again.

Not surprising. The so-called red shirt leaders run their movement like any business department- the more visible your accomplishments the more funding you can ask for (in this case, the paymaster being Thaksin). Jatuporn and co., have done this for years so it's time for the other guys to step up.

[Buchholz]

That's it? A "red-shirt television website" and all it contains is a request for money? Bizarre.

It would seem times are tough.

As for bizarre, I thought their sloshing around HIV tainted blood around Bangkok was more so.

My guess is when the mobs are needed the money will start flowing again.

It runs contrary to the self-proclaimed "grass roots organization" for the "rural poor" to "restore democracy."

[Buchholz]

That's it? A "red-shirt television website" and all it contains is a request for money? Bizarre.

It would seem times are tough.

As for bizarre, I thought their sloshing around HIV tainted blood around Bangkok was more so.

My guess is when the mobs are needed the money will start flowing again.

Not surprising. The so-called red shirt leaders run their movement like any business department- the more visible your accomplishments the more funding you can ask for (in this case, the paymaster being Thaksin). Jatuporn and co., have done this for years so it's time for the other guys to step up.

Here's some of that "for years" regarding the millions amongst four different Red Shirt Leaders...

Questions raised over TV hosts' assets

The Nation

August 15, 2008

Senator Ruangkrai Leekijwattana voiced suspicion yesterday over where the three hosts of "The Truth of Today" programme got millions of baht to buy shares in a private company.

Ruangkrai questioned how Nattawut Saikua, People Power Party MP Jatuporn Prompan and Veera Musikapong had the money to buy shares in Puan Pong Nong Pi Co Ltd.

He said an official document listing the company shareholders dated April 2007 showed that Nattawut held 200,000 shares worth Bt20 million, Jatuporn held 100,000 shares worth Bt10 million, and Veera held 100,000 shares worth Bt10 million in the company.

He asked where the three got the money to own these shares.

He had found that in April and June, Nattawut sold 100,000 shares worth Bt10 million to former PM's Office Minister Jakrapob Penkair.

But Jakrapob only declared assets totalling Bt9 million in his formal declaration, he said.

Ruangkrai asked where the Bt10 million Jakrapob used to buy the shares came from.

The senator also said that from June to October before the Dec 23 general election, Nattawut, Jatuporn and Jakrapob sold 100,000 shares each or Bt10 million each.

He asked if the money was used for the election campaign and if they had reported that to the Election Commission in how much they spent on their campaigns. Election laws ban candidates from spending more than Bt1.5 million each on their campaign.

The assets declaration of Jatuporn submitted to the National Counter Corruption Commission on January 22 showed he had Bt5.3 million in assets after debts were accounted for.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2008/08/15/politics/politics_30080637.php

[renaissanc]

Let's suppose Thaksin does get back into Thailand a free man.

1. He will never be happy or safe.

2. His position will never be secure and only being a dictator will make him "secure".

3. There will be demonstrations continuously against him, his flow of dictatorial laws, and his government's corruption.

4. Foreign investors will leave.

5. He will have to put a relation in charge of the Army and send in the soldiers to disperse the demonstrators. Public opposition to him will increase and lead to extreme violence.

6. Prompong will die of a heart attack as he will have to prepare so many brown envelopes to sue Aphisit and all his ancestors.

7. Eventually, Thaksin will have to return to Dubai and stay there for good. He will have to extend his villa to accommodate Jatuporn, Natthawut, Arisman, Karun, and Jakrapop. What a happy household this will make!

[BWPattaya]

I tried to open democracy4.blogspot.com in Firefox. It wouldn't let me in - stated that the site was untrustworthy. Hmmm!

[bridge2bridge]

So the RED SHIRTS are a PUPPET for Thaksin----- TIT.

[bridge2bridge]

Let's suppose Thaksin does get back into Thailand a free man.

1. He will never be happy or safe.

2. His position will never be secure and only being a dictator will make him "secure".

3. There will be demonstrations continuously against him, his flow of dictatorial laws, and his government's corruption.

4. Foreign investors will leave.

5. He will have to put a relation in charge of the Army and send in the soldiers to disperse the demonstrators. Public opposition to him will increase and lead to extreme violence.

6. Prompong will die of a heart attack as he will have to prepare so many brown envelopes to sue Aphisit and all his ancestors.

7. Eventually, Thaksin will have to return to Dubai and stay there for good. He will have to extend his villa to accommodate Jatuporn, Natthawut, Arisman, Karun, and Jakrapop. What a happy household this will make!

Well Said.

[Buchholz]

I tried to open democracy4.blogspot.com in Firefox. It wouldn't let me in - stated that the site was untrustworthy. Hmmm!

Firefox would seem to understand the Red Shirts quite well then.

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[JohnAllan]

So, Noi is yet another one who swears Thaksin was framed, and the whole process was politically motivated.

What, exactly, does politically motivated mean? Does she have any idea?

At this rate, the chances of reconciliation seem as far away as ever.

[wxyz]

"I'm not surprised by it."

that says it all

yes of course, the red shirts knew about it all along

[hanuman1]

"I'm not surprised by it."

that says it all

yes of course, the red shirts knew about it all along

Many TV posters also knew about it too, which is why I can't understand this feigned outrage. Something like this was bound to happen if their analysis - PTP is all about Thaksin - was correct.

I'm trying to think of a (sneakier?) way the government could have employed a different tactic to get Thaksin back, but if his return was impossible without royal endorsement then clearly the current events could be the only clear path to achieving that.

The indignation of government haters wouldn't be avoided whatever path they chose in this matter or any other.

[anterian]

On my computer when there is a major problem I use the "restore" facility to go back to a previous working condition. Thailand needs a restore program, but how far back would it need to go?

[whybother]

On my computer when there is a major problem I use the "restore" facility to go back to a previous working condition. Thailand needs a restore program, but how far back would it need to go?

Somewhere between 1997 and 2001 would be OK.

The only problem would be that nothing would actually change.

[animatic]

Chainarin Kularb-um, who hosts the online red-shirt television website, democracy4.blogspot.com, said he had no problems. "This is part of the national reconciliation process. The red shirts have no [negative] reaction, it's not a big deal and I'm not surprised by it.

Interesting website.

Reconciliation - noun

1. an act of reconciling or the state of being reconciled.

2. the process of making consistent or compatible.

3. making sure the bosses books doesn't match the Lords actual worth: Reconciling the books; see 'Cooking The Books'.

4. getting all the Lords money back; matching his perceived losses with what he can grab from others again, plus 20%.

5. making all others agree with the Lord in public and do what ever the Lord commands, so the Lord is happy, and it looks like all are united behind the Lord.

6. I win!

Everything is reconciled, because I have everything.

Of course this isn't a double standard and the fact the democratic processes are rent asunder is perfectly fine with them because THEIR side wins.

They are not proper national leaders, because they only think for their own gains, and not for anyone that is not in complete agreement with them.

The rule of law and proper procedures are irrelevant if it opposes their interests. And it is perfectly OK if they can profit by it at the expense of all others. The mind set of zealots.

Edited November 18, 2011 by animatic