ozzieman05 Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Montenegro revokes Mr T's passport because he harms Montenegro? Yes, the homeland of international outlaws with big pockets tries to be accepted by the EU. If this is the case, then the passport for Mr T follows UN laws: Everyone has the human right to have a nationality (passport). Nope, sorry not everyone, a passport is a privilege not a right, and it has nothing to do with asserting your nationality. Sorry i believe that a passport is a human right, especially when your out of the Country. It is a deprivation of the right to travel. Even if you accept that he was guilty of the offence that he was convicted of, is the removal of his passport justified ? If they were consistent and did it for people convicted of more serious criminal activity then i might have some sympathy. This was a political act and nothing more. I am not aware of other established democracies removing natural born citizens passports on such spurious grounds. Fraud is a political act In my education it is criminal Just because he did it while in government has no bearing on the matter Your logic says it is political if he robber a shop at gunpoint Fraud is fraud no matter which way you dress it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlansford Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 People comparing thaksin to hitler in this thread LOL truly delusional .......................................................... Here is a complete case of ignorance If you read German history you would know after World War 1 Germany was Bankrupt Hitler came along and did great things for Germany Promised them salvation and make all the people have a good life Hitler created a wealth powerful Germany All was great until he got to the stage where he really believed he had all the people behind him and he could do not wrong It was then that we saw the start of what would shake the whole world for years to come Does this in any was sound like our dear beloved Thaskin He really believes he is the Saviour of Thailand and all the Thai people love him The past is now history, but we need to learn by it The worry is if Thaskin retakes power, where will it all end and will the Thai people suffer like the German people did under another saviour In no way is any one comparing the late days of Hitler with Thaskin But the early days of Hitler against the early days (today) of thaskin I understand that your summary above of Hilter's early years is brief, but I can't agree with your basic point, that he brought the Germans wealth and power. He did manage to play on the Germans' fears and prejudices in order to come to power, and then set all of the country's resources towards building a military machine, but that did not bring the Germans wealth and power. Through skillful propaganda tools and fear-mongering, Hitler focused their anger and resentment from the post-war period so as to create his military power-house. You could claim that he gave the Germans back their "pride" after the humiliation of the Treaty of Versailles, but it was done in a sick and perverted way. Sorry, not to get off topic, but IMO comparisons of most any contemporary political figure with Hitler would be off topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlansford Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 The army is the only thing standing between Thailand and dictatorship. Personally I thought the last military government was much better behaved than this gang of crooks. More honest too. your wasting you time a lot here simply do not understand Taksin or what he wants to achieve and the harm he has done and is quite capable of doing which is far far less than any of army coups None so blind as those cant see and when its to late they can go hide in their academic holes and ignorance. Same as supporters of Gaddafi saddam Mugabwie and all rest they cant see it until its to late. I certainly hope the Army again does it duty as one of only hopes to stop this evil monster who is on par with Hitler Pol Pot and rest They will see in time unless Taksin is stopped one way or another you do realise how gaddafi came into power in the first place don't you? hmmmm, let me guess - a military coup ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlansford Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 really fun thread you guys have going here But seriously, in October, Thaksin had a passport, traveled internationally, and could not return to Thailand without going to jail. Now it is December, Thaksin has a passport, travels internationally, and cannot return to Thailand without going to jail. Sooooooooooo, .... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rixalex Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 really fun thread you guys have going here But seriously, in October, Thaksin had a passport, traveled internationally, and could not return to Thailand without going to jail. Now it is December, Thaksin has a passport, travels internationally, and cannot return to Thailand without going to jail. Sooooooooooo, .... ? So why all the bullshit over the last week from the FM about the possibility of Thaksin being issued with a passport... a passport that we now know he had personally delivered to him almost two months ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlansford Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 really fun thread you guys have going here But seriously, in October, Thaksin had a passport, traveled internationally, and could not return to Thailand without going to jail. Now it is December, Thaksin has a passport, travels internationally, and cannot return to Thailand without going to jail. Sooooooooooo, .... ? So why all the bullshit over the last week from the FM about the possibility of Thaksin being issued with a passport... a passport that we now know he had personally delivered to him almost two months ago? Oh, absolutely - that was the first thing that came to mind when I saw the news. Hilarious, actually. But - as far as I can see, this might be good for Thaksin's pride to travel on a Thai passport again, but other than that, I have not seen any report stating the advantage for him to have his Thai passport reinstated. So, nothing has changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 really fun thread you guys have going here But seriously, in October, Thaksin had a passport, traveled internationally, and could not return to Thailand without going to jail. Now it is December, Thaksin has a passport, travels internationally, and cannot return to Thailand without going to jail. Sooooooooooo, .... ? So why all the bullshit over the last week from the FM about the possibility of Thaksin being issued with a passport... a passport that we now know he had personally delivered to him almost two months ago? Oh, absolutely - that was the first thing that came to mind when I saw the news. Hilarious, actually. But - as far as I can see, this might be good for Thaksin's pride to travel on a Thai passport again, but other than that, I have not seen any report stating the advantage for him to have his Thai passport reinstated. So, nothing has changed. Something has changed, another piece of deception by this government has been added to the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Montenegro revokes Mr T's passport because he harms Montenegro? Yes, the homeland of international outlaws with big pockets tries to be accepted by the EU. If this is the case, then the passport for Mr T follows UN laws: Everyone has the human right to have a nationality (passport). Nope, sorry not everyone, a passport is a privilege not a right, and it has nothing to do with asserting your nationality. Sorry i believe that a passport is a human right, especially when your out of the Country. It is a deprivation of the right to travel. Even if you accept that he was guilty of the offence that he was convicted of, is the removal of his passport justified ? If they were consistent and did it for people convicted of more serious criminal activity then i might have some sympathy. This was a political act and nothing more. I am not aware of other established democracies removing natural born citizens passports on such spurious grounds. I'm staggered to think that such naivety still existed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rixalex Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 really fun thread you guys have going here But seriously, in October, Thaksin had a passport, traveled internationally, and could not return to Thailand without going to jail. Now it is December, Thaksin has a passport, travels internationally, and cannot return to Thailand without going to jail. Sooooooooooo, .... ? So why all the bullshit over the last week from the FM about the possibility of Thaksin being issued with a passport... a passport that we now know he had personally delivered to him almost two months ago? Oh, absolutely - that was the first thing that came to mind when I saw the news. Hilarious, actually. Amusement seems to be a popular reaction amongst some here. It's like they can't bring themselves to condemn it, but on the other hand, they can't defend it (although to be fair, a few brave souls have pathetically attempted that sorry task), so they decide the best bet is just laugh at it, and then quickly try and move the topic on.... But - as far as I can see, this might be good for Thaksin's pride to travel on a Thai passport again, but other than that, I have not seen any report stating the advantage for him to have his Thai passport reinstated. So, nothing has changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlansford Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 So why all the bullshit over the last week from the FM about the possibility of Thaksin being issued with a passport... a passport that we now know he had personally delivered to him almost two months ago? Oh, absolutely - that was the first thing that came to mind when I saw the news. Hilarious, actually. Amusement seems to be a popular reaction amongst some here. It's like they can't bring themselves to condemn it, but on the other hand, they can't defend it (although to be fair, a few brave souls have pathetically attempted that sorry task), so they decide the best bet is just laugh at it, and then quickly try and move the topic on.... But - as far as I can see, this might be good for Thaksin's pride to travel on a Thai passport again, but other than that, I have not seen any report stating the advantage for him to have his Thai passport reinstated. So, nothing has changed. IMO, there is nothing to defend nor anything to condemn. The man has a Thai passport again, big deal. It was an administrative action to take it away, and the same to reissue it. The action neither provides amnesty, nor puts him in jail. It changes noting regarding his mobility, It doesn't change a thing - not in the big picture, nor in the little picture. But the show for the last month about "going to give Thaksin his passport" when in fact everyone knew he already had it (or should have known), that IS laughable... 2 different things... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klauskunkel Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 RT @tulsathit: TR @Neaw_NBC: PM on Thaksin passport: I've just learned about it. #smsMCOT slow learner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAWP Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 really fun thread you guys have going here But seriously, in October, Thaksin had a passport, traveled internationally, and could not return to Thailand without going to jail. Now it is December, Thaksin has a passport, travels internationally, and cannot return to Thailand without going to jail. Sooooooooooo, .... ? I think the outrage is that having a government that so blatantly operate towards only one individual, that is convicted for crimes and facing more crimes against the nation, and that they cannot ever bring themselves to be truthful. It is if every part of their being is to always lie. Truth comes as an after-thought, if ever. There is a physiological term for these kind of individuals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connda Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 I guess the next step is to schedule the Welcome Back to Thailand Parade though Bangkok. Well, once all the water's drained -- but dang, the floods would have never happened if Khun Taskin had been at the helm in the first place!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 RT @tulsathit: TR @Neaw_NBC: PM on Thaksin passport: I've just learned about it. #smsMCOT Does the PM actually know anything thats going on in this country? No, only about family money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Montenegro revokes Mr T's passport because he harms Montenegro? Yes, the homeland of international outlaws with big pockets tries to be accepted by the EU. If this is the case, then the passport for Mr T follows UN laws: Everyone has the human right to have a nationality (passport). Nope, sorry not everyone, a passport is a privilege not a right, and it has nothing to do with asserting your nationality. Sorry i believe that a passport is a human right, especially when your out of the Country. It is a deprivation of the right to travel. Even if you accept that he was guilty of the offence that he was convicted of, is the removal of his passport justified ? If they were consistent and did it for people convicted of more serious criminal activity then i might have some sympathy. This was a political act and nothing more. I am not aware of other established democracies removing natural born citizens passports on such spurious grounds. I'm staggered to think that such naivety still existed. Well the USA is an established example 0f a' democracy' that does control passports / remove passports etc., for a long list of reasons, some in fact not all that serious, and the US government and many US citizens see their USA as the most shining example ever of democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farang0tang Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Whether Thaksin got a passport here, or a passport there, or a passport shoved up his shiny licked clean a$$, is not the main point IMO. Its that a senior member of government has blatantly hoodwinked the people again, - and like little kids, others gloat and laugh at the shenanigans! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 But the show for the last month about "going to give Thaksin his passport" when in fact everyone knew he already had it (or should have known), that IS laughable... 2 different things... Are you using the word 'everyone' in it's vaguest possible description? Or are you claiming to be everyone? Two different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chonburiram Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 1324029420[/url]' post='4916460']Thaksin's Passport Reinstated Since Oct 26 Foreign Ministry Spokesman Thani Thongpakdi affirms the Thai passport of former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra was reinstated since October 26 as he was no longer on the ministry's blacklist. He said Thaksin had applied for a Thai passport at the Royal Thai Embassy in Dubai in the United Arab Emirates on October 25. Foreign Minister Surapong Tovichakchaikul approved the issuance of the passport and a passport was issued to Thaksin on October 26. -- Tan Network 2011-12-16 Wasn't the 25th, 26th a decleared Thai public holiday due flooding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogermoore Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 RT @tulsathit: TR @Neaw_NBC: PM on Thaksin passport: I've just learned about it. #smsMCOT You can only make one comment on this... Thailand the banana republic . Worthless . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalker69 Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 AleG. Its Because "he is the government" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsetBkk Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 RT @tulsathit: TR @Neaw_NBC: PM on Thaksin passport: I've just learned about it. #smsMCOT You can only make one comment on this... Thailand the banana republic . Worthless . I am surprised people are allowed to slag off the entire country. Aren't there rules about this? Or has the Thaksin slag-fest dulled everyone's sense of propriety? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moe666 Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 When my passport was stolen a few years ago it was a two week wait for a regular passport. I couldn't wait this long as I needed to return to the states in one week I applied for a temporary which I had to return the next day to collect. Upon arrival in the states applied for and recieved a new 10 year passport. The passport has to be processed in the states at the national passport center. An Embassy issueing a 10 year passport in one day never happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 When my passport was stolen a few years ago it was a two week wait for a regular passport. I couldn't wait this long as I needed to return to the states in one week I applied for a temporary which I had to return the next day to collect. Upon arrival in the states applied for and recieved a new 10 year passport. The passport has to be processed in the states at the national passport center. An Embassy issueing a 10 year passport in one day never happen Concur, it was 2 weeks waiting time for Bangkok the last time. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdnski12 Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 (edited) Montenegro revokes Mr T's passport because he harms Montenegro? Yes, the homeland of international outlaws with big pockets tries to be accepted by the EU. If this is the case, then the passport for Mr T follows UN laws: Everyone has the human right to have a nationality (passport). Agh ... that should read International Outlaws, the CIA and Drug Cartels ... Edited December 18, 2011 by cdnski12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moruya Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 Wonder if they've already returned the billions in a diplomatic pouch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ableguy Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 "No government agency, including the police -- judiciary and interior ministry -- opposed the re-issue of Thaksin's passport," he said. Now there's a suprise seeing he has relatives in key positions... "Thaksin had applied for an ordinary passport via the Thai Embassy in Abu Dhabi, the United Arab Emirates on October 25. The Foreign Ministry issued the passport for Thaksin on October 26" via diplomatic pouch on the same day do all ordinary Thai citizens get service like this ?..... my moneys on...he will be sitting in Chang Mai eating his Somtam by year end... Could be pushing daisies too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidermike007 Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 A few hours ago: Posted Today, 12:07RT @tulsathit: Surapong also says passport can now be issued for Thaksin, "but I don't know if it's been issued." It was issued 1.5 months ago - but he had no clue? That it was issued on the same day he removed the blacklisting. Even though he removed the blacklist since Thaksin requested a new passport? What does he thinks happens when someone asks for a passport in general? Well, I'll tell you what doesn't happen...people don't get it flown out with diplomatic mail or diplomat courier. Unless there is a corrupt government in place. Are you trying to somehow educate us? Do you think there is a single person on the planet that does not know how corrupt the Thai government is? Was there a point to your post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidermike007 Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 When my passport was stolen a few years ago it was a two week wait for a regular passport. I couldn't wait this long as I needed to return to the states in one week I applied for a temporary which I had to return the next day to collect. Upon arrival in the states applied for and recieved a new 10 year passport. The passport has to be processed in the states at the national passport center. An Embassy issueing a 10 year passport in one day never happen Excuse me, but are you a billionaire, who was a former PM? Why would you think you would get special treatment? Why would you think Thaksin would not get special treatment? Is there something new, interesting, or somehow enlightening that you have to share with us, about the way the world functions? Did you think there was a single person on the planet that does not know that billionaires are treated differently, than us mortals? Do you somehow consider that unfair? Do you believe in the adage all men are created equal? Do you somehow think that applies once someone becomes very powerful? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rixalex Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 IMO, there is nothing to defend nor anything to condemn. The man has a Thai passport again, big deal. It was an administrative action to take it away,and the same to reissue it. The action neither provides amnesty, nor puts him in jail. It changes noting regarding his mobility, It doesn't change a thing -not in the big picture, nor in the little picture. But the show for the last month about "going to give Thaksin hispassport" when in fact everyone knew he already had it (or should haveknown), that IS laughable... 2 different things... I was fully aware of there being two issues here. One, the matter of convicted criminals being issued with passports, and two, the matter of a FM telling the country that the government was considering issuing a passport to aconvicted criminal, when in fact it had already been issued nearly two months ago. And i was also already aware of your position on these two issues. On the matter of the rights and wrongs of issuing of passports to convicted criminals who have fled the country, you feel indifferent. It's a position that i do find bizarre, and a position i can't imagine you taking, had say a crime been committed against you, and the culprit had fled. Hard to imagine in those circumstances, you feeling indifferent to the government not only issuing the culprit a passport, but personally delivering it to their door. One would imagine you might feel outraged. Or maybe you wouldn't. Anyway, as confusing as i find your position on all that, it wasn't that position that i was questioning you on. It was with regards the FM dishing out all the bullshit over the last week that he has done, and your reaction to that: one of amusement. It's like i said, and like FarangOtang infers below,all those who have over the last year or so, insisted on having no particular party allegiance, nor any particular affection for Thaksin or the Shinawatras - just a desire to see the poor get a better deal - all those people, have the perfect opportunity in a situation like this, where the government has so blatantly messed around, so blatantly lied, to come out and demonstrate that claimed neutrality, by expressing their own condemnation. None of them, nor you, have been able to bring yourself to. The best you can do is chuckle, laugh, or mock those who have expressed disgust. Fair enough, up to you, but just remember, next time you get accused of being in Thaksin's pocket, this is one of the reasons why, and one of the reasons few take you seriously when you deny it. Whether Thaksin got a passport here, or a passport there, or a passport shoved up his shiny licked clean a$, is not the main point IMO. Its that a senior member of government has blatantly hoodwinked the people again, - and like little kids,others gloat and laugh at the shenanigans! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlansford Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 IMO, there is nothing to defend nor anything to condemn. The man has a Thai passport again, big deal. It was an administrative action to take it away,and the same to reissue it. The action neither provides amnesty, nor puts him in jail. It changes noting regarding his mobility, It doesn't change a thing -not in the big picture, nor in the little picture. But the show for the last month about "going to give Thaksin hispassport" when in fact everyone knew he already had it (or should haveknown), that IS laughable... 2 different things... I was fully aware of there being two issues here. One, the matter of convicted criminals being issued with passports, and two, the matter of a FM telling the country that the government was considering issuing a passport to aconvicted criminal, when in fact it had already been issued nearly two months ago. And i was also already aware of your position on these two issues. On the matter of the rights and wrongs of issuing of passports to convicted criminals who have fled the country, you feel indifferent. It's a position that i do find bizarre, and a position i can't imagine you taking, had say a crime been committed against you, and the culprit had fled. Hard to imagine in those circumstances, you feeling indifferent to the government not only issuing the culprit a passport, but personally delivering it to their door. One would imagine you might feel outraged. Or maybe you wouldn't. Anyway, as confusing as i find your position on all that, it wasn't that position that i was questioning you on. It was with regards the FM dishing out all the bullshit over the last week that he has done, and your reaction to that: one of amusement. It's like i said, and like FarangOtang infers below,all those who have over the last year or so, insisted on having no particular party allegiance, nor any particular affection for Thaksin or the Shinawatras - just a desire to see the poor get a better deal - all those people, have the perfect opportunity in a situation like this, where the government has so blatantly messed around, so blatantly lied, to come out and demonstrate that claimed neutrality, by expressing their own condemnation. None of them, nor you, have been able to bring yourself to. The best you can do is chuckle, laugh, or mock those who have expressed disgust. Fair enough, up to you, but just remember, next time you get accused of being in Thaksin's pocket, this is one of the reasons why, and one of the reasons few take you seriously when you deny it. Rixalex, surely you cannot think that I am in Thaksin's pocket, nor that it even matters? It is not a matter of "the best I can do is...", it is a matter that his passport is insignificant. The same applies to the underprivileged/poor in Thailand getting more from their gov't. This passport issue has no significance on their plight. For most of the Thai people, and all of the expats, this passport thing is just a side-show. That is why I do not take it seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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