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I've read some factless crap in my time but Guesthouse takes the biscuit. Not only is his longwinded post factually incorrect but he is speaking for the majority of people in a country 6000 miles away. I live in Thailand and I have already began to see signs of binge drinking in the karaoke bars near my apartment. Although TRT will never publish reports showing an increase of alcohol related violence as people 'guesthouse' has never met start drinking the same amount in half the time it will soon be evident to anyone who actually LIVES in Thailand and not just coming up with these pearls of wisdom half way round the world.

Well we are all entitled to our opinion.

But I must challenge the 'Factless' bit. Firstly the intention of the changes to the English law, as stated by the UK Government, is to usher is a European style of drinking - living in Europe I have a direct view of European drink culture, I travel around Europe on business and witness the lack of Lout drinking everywhere but the UK.

The arguments I make regarding the social suddies behind the enactment of licensing laws are factually correct, as too is my statement that these studdies were raised during parliamentary discussion of the act.

No I am not in Thailand, I am however working with a team of 15 Thais, my wife is Thai and I read the Thai language press and listen to Thai language news, on Satalite TV/Radio. The views I hear regarding restrictions in the Night Life are strongly supported by Thai people, those I read/hear in the media and those I live/work with.

So as we don't missunderstand each other I'll repeat my stance. The restrictions being enacted over night life in Thailand enjoy broad support among Thais.

Since the topic of the OP is ' England Sets Thailand An Example', I would suggest that if you prefer English Licensing laws, you know where you might find them

But as I say, we are all entitled to our opinion. I'm of the opinion that claiming someone else's comments are 'factless crap' is meaningless unless you can demonstrate them to be such.

However, I do accept, if you are sitting on a bar stool in Thailand, you are very likely to be surrounded by people who disagree with restrictions on nightlife.

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Thailand is supposedly closer to ~ 4 liters per capita, according to some sources I've seen, and that figure includes all the booze consumed (including tourists, visitors, retirees, TV members) but the per capita population figure just uses Thai citizens.

Around here (northern Thailand) most of the alcohol consumed is illegal so it won't be recorded in your source, probably....if not then you could probably double the amount easily.

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1. Luxembourg 14.9 litres per capita

2. Ireland 14.2 litres per capita

3. Portugal 13 litres per capita

4. Hungary 12.3 litres per capita

5. Czech Republic 11.8 litres per capita

6. Spain 11.7 litres per capita

7. Denmark 11.5 litres per capita

8. Austria 11.3 litres per capita

9. Switzerland 11.2 litres per capita

10. Germany 10.5 litres per capita

11. France 10.5 litres per capita

12. United Kingdom 10.4 litres per capita

13. Belgium 10.2 litres per capita

14. Netherlands 10 litres per capita

15. Greece 9.4 litres per capita

16. Slovakia 8.9 litres per capita

17. New Zealand 8.9 litres per capita

18. Italy 8.7 litres per capita

19. Finland 8.6 litres per capita

20. Poland 8.5 litres per capita

21. United States 8.3 litres per capita

22. Japan 8.2 litres per capita

23. Canada 7.7 litres per capita

24. Sweden 6.2 litres per capita

25. Iceland 6.1 litres per capita

And where the buggery is Australia in that list :D:D:o

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didnt think I would get away with "buggery" but it is a place name after all :o

Anyway....just my view on things now

I think it is a bad move and I am a drinker of amber fluid.

drinkers will stay longer at the pub but they will not change their habits.

They will spend more money but as they are not getting more money then it will be money that should have been spent on other things.

there will be more domestic problems because they are staying at the pub longer instead of going home. And because more money is being spent at the pub instead of at home.

Increasing hours wont stop binge drinking.....most people start off slow and then pick up pace as the night wears on.....near the end of the night it is usual to get as many down the throat as you can before the pubs shut.

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I see what you're saying Burnsey but its all about choice here and now we have that choice. No more rushing home to get ready and legging it to the pub. My local closed at 3 am last night. No agro, no idiots and no noise. People are not stupid even if we are Poms! and evryone should be given the choice of how and when they can drink.

The views I hear regarding restrictions in the Night Life are strongly supported by Thai people, those I read/hear in the media and those I live/work with.

Guesthouse wrote the above (rather convieniently ignoring my last reply to his first post) yet I still fail to see how this represents the majority of Thai people. I have seen his own posts relating to the dubious nature of the Thai media in the past yet he takes it here as gospel!

I have seen alcohol related loutish behaviour in Germany, Poland, Czech Republic, Spain, Portugal and Ireland in the past year. No Brits around at all bar me.

I wonder if GH is able to quantify the fact that he has never seen loutish behaviour anywhere through being on the streets at 2am or rather through wishful thinking?

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Last night was 1:00am closing at my local. Most people had actually left by 12:15 (myself included). No arguing over taxi's etc, no problems, just people leaving when they had had enough. A marvellous law indeed.

However, there will probably be a fight somewhere tonight, somewhere in the Uk and it will be reported that it is down to the new law. The media want it to look like the Goverment where wrong. :o

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Guesthouse wrote the above (rather convieniently ignoring my last reply to his first post)

Well let's go back to it shall we.. you said

"The English 'drinking culture' is bourne from English Licensing laws and nowhere else. Now people have the time to slow down things will change. It will take time but they will change."

Not quite.

You perhaps were not paying attention at school when the subject of 19th century poverty was being discussed, and in particular the two major social reports of the latter part of the 19th century - Conveniently sharing the names of famous choclate manufacturers - something which might have aided the memory.

The Cadbury and Rowntree reports both examined English Society during the 19th century - a time when there were no licensing laws.

They both concluded that alcoholism, and access to alcohol (in particular Gin) where significan factors in poor publlic health, poverty and domestic violence.

These reports, periodically repeated, were used as the basis of lobbying to change the laws.

As stated above, restricted licensing laws where brought in during the 1st world war, these arose as a direct consequence of the increase in absenteism from work of the higher paid munitions workers. Alcohol abuse threatened the war effort.

With respect to drinking in Europe, I know of no other European or Scandanavian country in which Emergency Medical Services have chosen to open town centre emergency medical centers during peak alcohol consumption periods (weekends) to deal with people collapsing in the streets through alcohol abuse (Several towns in the UK have this provision in place).

But we need not argue over this.

Thailand has enacted laws that neither your nor I can contest. The UK has enacted laws that will have an impact one way or another - we need only sit back and watch.

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QUOTE(gburns57au @ 2005-11-26 16:12:43)

QUOTE(lomatopo @ 2005-11-26 12:32:14)

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And where the buggery is Australia in that list blink.gif blink.gif mad.gif

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Aussies can't drink, its a well known fact in Phuket

I agree with that - I went to hear about those heavy drinkers and they were all drinking bloody 2% lager.

Biggest drinkers I met have been the Scots, Irish and Finns. :o

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With respect to drinking in Europe, I know of no other European or Scandanavian country in which Emergency Medical Services have chosen to open town centre emergency medical centers during peak alcohol consumption periods (weekends) to deal with people collapsing in the streets through alcohol abuse (Several towns in the UK have this provision in place).

Which was a result of having so many people cramming alcohol into their systems in a short period of time. Indeed let us wait and see how things change.

As for the Cadburys and the Rowntrees (and more locally to me the Salts) they were Methodists and also main employers. It was in their interest financially to keep their workforce out of the pubs. Only a fool would quote that nonsense as a valid historical document.

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I agree, the strict licensing laws were introduced during the 2nd world war

1st world war actually....

It was a temporary measure by Lloyd George to stop the armamant workers(the pesants) getting too pizzed during the day and not turning out their quota of bombs to bash the bosh.

After the war they sorta forgot to recind the measure...until now...60 years later. :D

And you expect our trains to arrive on time? :o:D

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this new law is going to be a god send

reason's are so obvious

the small town i hail from [swindon] has all the main pubs in one down town area of about 1/4 sq mile.

when you chuck out up to 2,000 people, intoxicated to varying degrees, all in this small area looking for taxis and wanting more drink what can one expect.

the english are generaly level headed so if treated like adults and our own choice people will stagger thier leaving times, thus aleiviating the major gathering of the intoxicated.

only time will tel but for my part i think

about bloo+y time

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Only a fool would quote that nonsense as a valid historical document.

Erm.... the very first broad social stiddies and the foundations of law following social studdies... and ... ground breaking statistical analysis that stands today as the mainstay of social studdy.

Ib'd e a fool to ignore it.

I contend the British Goverment are fools to ignore it..... but let us wait and see...

Cadbury was a Quaker.

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It was basically a document to protect their own interests.

You have no proof of that, you are assuming this to be the case.

Regardless of which, these two reports linked social ills to alcohol. A link which has yet to be sucessfully challenged.

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NO NO NO! Britain will not gain from these new laws. The idea that we all become European and sit and chat over a nice bottle of wine is a fantasy. Brits are the biggest wreck heads in Europe.

Yes taxi rank punch ups may become fewer but in house "have you got a problem" kick abouts will increase.

Forget for a while the town centre pubs with high police numbers and think about the local boozers that inflict problems on the locals.

I am not a tee-total NIMBY (not in my back yard). I am a person who has grown out of his problematic youth to see how i was allowed to do harm to myself and others.

I dont have the answer but i know this is not it.

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NO NO NO! Britain will not gain from these new laws. The idea that we all become European and sit and chat over a nice bottle of wine is a fantasy. Brits are the biggest wreck heads in Europe.

Yes taxi rank punch ups may become fewer but in house "have you got a problem" kick abouts will increase.

Forget for a while the town centre pubs with high police numbers and think about the local boozers that inflict problems on the locals.

I am not a tee-total NIMBY (not in my back yard). I am a person who has grown out of his problematic youth to see how i was allowed to do harm to myself and others.

I dont have the answer but i know this is not it.

Griffin. Do you expect results overnight?

You and GH keep getting stuck in this moronic 'European drinking culture is brill' mindset. What a load of crap that is. Do you really think that everywhere in Europe is all nice pavement cafes? If so I suggest you and GH get out a bit more and look around.

I'm afraid you sound llike a blinkered prat no matter how far out of your problematic youth you crawled.

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Aye, well-known indeed... although they mostly turn silly-friendly and babbling along in a no-way-to-<deleted>-comprehend-what-ya-sayin kinda way.. I like it.

/// dfw

Yeah much better than turning into loud mouthed aggressive thugs. :o

well I had to bring it back on topic....sort of.... :D

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I agree, the strict licensing laws were introduced during the 2nd world war

1st world war actually....

It was a temporary measure by Lloyd George to stop the armamant workers(the pesants) getting too pizzed during the day and not turning out their quota of bombs to bash the bosh.

After the war they sorta forgot to recind the measure...until now...60 years later. :D

And you expect our trains to arrive on time? :o:D

Oops...me maths are up the swanee again..late night last night...I should have of course have said.... now....90 years later :D

Just think if it takes that time to relax the booze laws in LOS you are talking give or take a month or two...the year ..2095 and in the B.E calander...even longer... :D

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