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Ombudsman approached over Thaksin

THE NATION

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New Politics Party leader Somsak Kosaisuk yesterday petitioned the Office of the Ombudsman to determine whether Foreign Minister Surapong Towichukchaikul and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs had violated the law or abused their authority in reissuing a passport to fugitive former premier Thaksin Shinawatra.

Somsak submitted his petition with Ombudsman Pravich Rattanapien.

A staunch critic of Thaksin and a yellow-shirt leader, Somsak said yesterday the return of a Thai passport to Thaksin had led to widespread criticism that he said could bring about a severe crisis.

He noted that the previous foreign minister Kasit Piromya, in the government led by the Democrat Party, revoked Thaksin's passport after the ex-leader left the country to escape two years' imprisonment for abuse of authority. When the pro-Thaksin Pheu Thai Party came to power last year, Surapong reissued a new passport for Thaksin.

"This led to confusion and widespread criticism. Either the previous foreign minister or the current one must have committed a mistake. It is impossible that what they both did was right - one revoked the passport and the other reissued it," Somsak said.

Pravich, the new ombudsman, said yesterday his agency would look into the matter to determine whether the foreign ministry's order to reissue a new passport to Thaksin was justified. If it was found to be unjustified, the Office of the Ombudsman would refer the case to the Administrative Court to rule whether the order should be revoked.

He said the persons involved would be summoned to testify - particularly the foreign minister and the officials involved.

Pravich would not say when he expected the investigation to be completed but that due to the nature of the matter, he did not think it would take a long time.

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-- The Nation 2012-01-06

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Fair enough. He has every right to request a review. This is how the people opposed should have proceeded in the first place.

Amazingly we agree. Wonder if that will ever happen again.

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I still think that this is an undercover attempt to get Thaksin into the country where he could be dealt with. The issue of the passport doesn't mean charges are dropped, only that he can enter the country without a visa. I still say wait and see what happens on his arrival

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I still think that this is an undercover attempt to get Thaksin into the country where he could be dealt with. The issue of the passport doesn't mean charges are dropped, only that he can enter the country without a visa. I still say wait and see what happens on his arrival

He could always enter the country without a visa. He's a Thai citizen.

Anyway, why would having to get a visa stop him from coming back?

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I still think that this is an undercover attempt to get Thaksin into the country where he could be dealt with. The issue of the passport doesn't mean charges are dropped, only that he can enter the country without a visa. I still say wait and see what happens on his arrival

He could always enter the country without a visa. He's a Thai citizen.

Anyway, why would having to get a visa stop him from coming back?

If Thaksin entered Thailand on anything other than a Thai passport he would require a visa even if it was issued on the spot. He would then be subject to length of stay/ extensions etc just like any farang. He would require a visa in his passport (depending on country) to get on a plane destined for Thailand. These are the rules. Are you suggesting he should be treated DIFFERENT?.....

The proper way to handle this is to issue temporary travel documents allowing travel ONLY to the fugitives home country. A passport valid for travel anywhere in the world SHOULD NEVER have been given to Thaksin. It amounts to aiding and abetting a criminal.

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I still think that this is an undercover attempt to get Thaksin into the country where he could be dealt with. The issue of the passport doesn't mean charges are dropped, only that he can enter the country without a visa. I still say wait and see what happens on his arrival

He could always enter the country without a visa. He's a Thai citizen.

Anyway, why would having to get a visa stop him from coming back?

If Thaksin entered Thailand on anything other than a Thai passport he would require a visa even if it was issued on the spot. He would then be subject to length of stay/ extensions etc just like any farang. He would require a visa in his passport (depending on country) to get on a plane destined for Thailand. These are the rules. Are you suggesting he should be treated DIFFERENT?.....

The proper way to handle this is to issue temporary travel documents allowing travel ONLY to the fugitives home country. A passport valid for travel anywhere in the world SHOULD NEVER have been given to Thaksin. It amounts to aiding and abetting a criminal.

Theoretically, depending on which passport he used, he could get a visa exemption - 30 days. And he could probably show his ID card to skip that process (not that anyone wouldn't believe who he is).

Because he is a Thai citizen, once he is here, he is not subject to anything "just like any farang".

Seeing that he has a private plane, he would have no problem flying in without any travel documents and sorting out the details when he lands. I'm sure there would be quite a few people (especially a few MPs) kissing his feet as he walked across the tarmac.

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I still think that this is an undercover attempt to get Thaksin into the country where he could be dealt with. The issue of the passport doesn't mean charges are dropped, only that he can enter the country without a visa. I still say wait and see what happens on his arrival

He could always enter the country without a visa. He's a Thai citizen.

Anyway, why would having to get a visa stop him from coming back?

If Thaksin entered Thailand on anything other than a Thai passport he would require a visa even if it was issued on the spot. He would then be subject to length of stay/ extensions etc just like any farang. He would require a visa in his passport (depending on country) to get on a plane destined for Thailand. These are the rules. Are you suggesting he should be treated DIFFERENT?.....

The proper way to handle this is to issue temporary travel documents allowing travel ONLY to the fugitives home country. A passport valid for travel anywhere in the world SHOULD NEVER have been given to Thaksin. It amounts to aiding and abetting a criminal.

Theoretically, depending on which passport he used, he could get a visa exemption - 30 days. And he could probably show his ID card to skip that process (not that anyone wouldn't believe who he is).

Because he is a Thai citizen, once he is here, he is not subject to anything "just like any farang".

Seeing that he has a private plane, he would have no problem flying in without any travel documents and sorting out the details when he lands. I'm sure there would be quite a few people (especially a few MPs) kissing his feet as he walked across the tarmac.

Again you seem to be suggesting he be treated DIFFERENTLY from any other person in the world.

Arriving on a non-thai passport makes him non-thai and subject to all the rules non-thais go through. As you say he may arrive on a 30 day visit but that is it 30 days not more. He cannot I believe change nationality from something non-thai to Thai while he is here. Do you know anybody that has ever managed that? I don't care who he is .. he is just the same piece of shit that any criminal is and should be treated as such, private plane or not.

Do you really think that any country is going to let him leave on a private plane to Thailand without going through proper security and immigration checks first. get real..don't dream up these senarios he must and should be treated just as anybody else.

As I have said many times before...he should have been issued travel documents allowing him to only return to Thailand....giving him a full passport was just wrong....anyone who says that full passport was OK please petition your governemnt to issue full passports to all their convicted criminals who have had their passport revoked.

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Again you seem to be suggesting he be treated DIFFERENTLY from any other person in the world.

Arriving on a non-thai passport makes him non-thai and subject to all the rules non-thais go through. As you say he may arrive on a 30 day visit but that is it 30 days not more. He cannot I believe change nationality from something non-thai to Thai while he is here. Do you know anybody that has ever managed that? I don't care who he is .. he is just the same piece of shit that any criminal is and should be treated as such, private plane or not.

Do you really think that any country is going to let him leave on a private plane to Thailand without going through proper security and immigration checks first. get real..don't dream up these senarios he must and should be treated just as anybody else.

Having a non-Thai passport does not make him non-Thai.

If I managed to make it back to Australia (of which I'm a citizen) without an Aus passport, they wouldn't send me back to where ever I just came from. There might be some extra paperwork, but they wouldn't kick me out.

Who said anything about him not going through security or immigration when leaving a country?

Immigration doesn't give a shit where you're going, especially if you're on your own plane. Immigration wouldn't even know for sure where you're going because once you're in the air, you can easily change your flight plans.

It's the airlines that do not let people get on planes without the right visas because they are liable for sending them back if they don't get let into a country.

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Again you seem to be suggesting he be treated DIFFERENTLY from any other person in the world.

Arriving on a non-thai passport makes him non-thai and subject to all the rules non-thais go through. As you say he may arrive on a 30 day visit but that is it 30 days not more. He cannot I believe change nationality from something non-thai to Thai while he is here. Do you know anybody that has ever managed that? I don't care who he is .. he is just the same piece of shit that any criminal is and should be treated as such, private plane or not.

Do you really think that any country is going to let him leave on a private plane to Thailand without going through proper security and immigration checks first. get real..don't dream up these senarios he must and should be treated just as anybody else.

Having a non-Thai passport does not make him non-Thai.

If I managed to make it back to Australia (of which I'm a citizen) without an Aus passport, they wouldn't send me back to where ever I just came from. There might be some extra paperwork, but they wouldn't kick me out.

Who said anything about him not going through security or immigration when leaving a country?

Immigration doesn't give a shit where you're going, especially if you're on your own plane. Immigration wouldn't even know for sure where you're going because once you're in the air, you can easily change your flight plans.

It's the airlines that do not let people get on planes without the right visas because they are liable for sending them back if they don't get let into a country.

He would not be thai in the eyes of immigration if he entered on a non-thai passport...just ask any dual national. You can only be the national of one country at any one time. You can switch between them but only when in international air-space or no mans land. So if he entered thailand as a non thai he would be such until he left.....

Australia is not Thailand......

Changing flight plans would be against international law..are you suggesting he commits even more crimes or are you suggesting it should be ignored because of who he is....

Again your senarios seem to be made up and not based on reality and following all things legal

He is just like any other man except that he is a convicted criminal......and should be treated as such...no special treatment....

The only travel document he should have been issued was a one way to Thailand.....

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He would not be thai in the eyes of immigration if he entered on a non-thai passport...just ask any dual national. You can only be the national of one country at any one time. You can switch between them but only when in international air-space or no mans land. So if he entered thailand as a non thai he would be such until he left.....

Australia is not Thailand......

Changing flight plans would be against international law..are you suggesting he commits even more crimes or are you suggesting it should be ignored because of who he is....

Again your senarios seem to be made up and not based on reality and following all things legal

He is just like any other man except that he is a convicted criminal......and should be treated as such...no special treatment....

The only travel document he should have been issued was a one way to Thailand.....

I don't believe changing a flight plan is "against international law" since you can actually lodge one after you have taken off, but whatever. The flight plan is irrelevant to whether immigration lets him depart or not.

Even if he did land with a foreign passport, a visit to immigration would easily sort that out (even for plebs).

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There is a difference of landing and using another nations passport, taking on the role as a foreigner, and landing and claiming you are Thai but lack the passport. The latter would be sorted out after paperwork but would let him enter as a Thai.

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