European Union announces Iranian oil ban over nuclear program concerns

[Ulysses G.]

It will most likely be a false flag by either the US or israel that will start the war.

A replica of an Iranian warship blocking the Straits of Hormuz.

Edited January 25, 2012 by Ulysses G.

[chuckd]

Yes it will cause lots of death and destruction, you wonder what's going through the minds of leaders in the west (not that It's really them that call the shots)

And arms companies like the Carlyle Group in the US will defo benefit from any future war(s). Funnily enough both George Bush Snr and George W Bush are major shareholders in the group !! War afterall has and always will be big business in the US, no matter who gets hurt, It's all about $

I am curious to know where you obtained your information that the Carlyle Group is an 'arms' company. The Carlyle Group is a private asset management firm.

You might want to provide some sort of data to support your statement that GHWB and GWB are 'major shareholders' as you so state.

Please clarify your statements.

[Steely Dan]

From what I have read today the Iranian parliament votes on whether to stop selling oil to Europe from today, instead of waiting for E.U sanctions to kick in by July. Everything Iran does supports the theory that they actually desire escalation of events to fulfill their own messianic prophecies.

[flying]

From what I have read today the Iranian parliament votes on whether to stop selling oil to Europe from today, instead of waiting for E.U sanctions to kick in by July. Everything Iran does supports the theory that they actually desire escalation of events to fulfill their own messianic prophecies.

I do not follow your thinking in this claim.............

If other countries decide to sanction economically or decide not to sell their products to another how is that a desire to be bombed?

Yet where is the infraction? Where is the desire to escalate an unprovoked attack?

Others will have to realize it is in fact as always a two way street.

A country can decide to isolate themselves from what they deem hostilities directed at them.

They can choose who they sell THEIR products to.

It is not economically wise yes but it is their choice to make.

Is it not laughable that one may threaten not to buy...........That is fine

Yet when someone threatens back at the very same that made the threat not to buy...with......go away we don't want to sell to you anyway...

That is a problem?

Edited January 29, 2012 by flying

[Ulysses G.]

From what I have read today the Iranian parliament votes on whether to stop selling oil to Europe from today, instead of waiting for E.U sanctions to kick in by July. Everything Iran does supports the theory that they actually desire escalation of events to fulfill their own messianic prophecies.

I do not follow your thinking in this claim.............

Shi'as believe that Imam al-Mahdi - their savior - will reappear when the world has fallen into chaos and civil war and they are encouraged to bring it about. That is why the Iranian regime is so dangerous. They want to bring the world to its knees for religious reasons.

[gopnarak]

Most amusing is that it appears that the European ban on Iranian oil will take place fully from 1st July with various contracts being phased out gradually, particularly for Greece who are heavily reliant on Iranian oil. Iran should just turn around and say . all deals off, the ban starts today, go elsewhere for your oil. That would through the ball squarely back in the face of the Eurocrats.

They'd never do that as they'd shoot themselves right in the foot. Iran sustains itself on oil sales so unless China comes along and says 'we'll take it' (they'd need some stones), they'll have to suck it up.

Well, actually in Iran they discuss about doing this- halt oil sales to Europe. And they discuss about this in the parliament, so it will be not just a decision made by some Council of Ministers.

[gopnarak]

Everything Iran does supports the theory that they actually desire escalation of events to fulfill their own messianic prophecies.

I do not follow your thinking in this claim.............

Shi'as believe that Imam al-Mahdi - their savior - will reappear when the world has fallen into chaos and civil war and they are encouraged to bring it about. That is why the Iranian regime is so dangerous. They want to bring the world to its knees for religious reasons.

Tales of an apocalypse are part in the belief system of all Abrahamic religions.

Some Christian nutters belief that Iran wants to trigger the doomsday and will bring the world to end. But that is only an argument these Christian nutters use to "prove" that their vision of an apocalypse is true and real.

[chuckd]

Most amusing is that it appears that the European ban on Iranian oil will take place fully from 1st July with various contracts being phased out gradually, particularly for Greece who are heavily reliant on Iranian oil. Iran should just turn around and say . all deals off, the ban starts today, go elsewhere for your oil. That would through the ball squarely back in the face of the Eurocrats.

They'd never do that as they'd shoot themselves right in the foot. Iran sustains itself on oil sales so unless China comes along and says 'we'll take it' (they'd need some stones), they'll have to suck it up.

Well, actually in Iran they discuss about doing this- halt oil sales to Europe. And they discuss about this in the parliament, so it will be not just a decision made by some Council of Ministers.

In Iran, the Majlis (Parliament) votes on issues. They are then forwarded to the Guardian Council (12 Islamic Judges). If the Council approves the legislation it is then forwarded to the Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. If he approves it, the legislation or decree becomes law. If he does not approve it, the issue is dead.

The process is, in fact, one man control.

Please don't paint it out to be some major democratic process. It isn't.

[GentlemanJim]

Most amusing is that it appears that the European ban on Iranian oil will take place fully from 1st July with various contracts being phased out gradually, particularly for Greece who are heavily reliant on Iranian oil. Iran should just turn around and say . all deals off, the ban starts today, go elsewhere for your oil. That would through the ball squarely back in the face of the Eurocrats.

They'd never do that as they'd shoot themselves right in the foot. Iran sustains itself on oil sales so unless China comes along and says 'we'll take it' (they'd need some stones), they'll have to suck it up.

Well, actually in Iran they discuss about doing this- halt oil sales to Europe. And they discuss about this in the parliament, so it will be not just a decision made by some Council of Ministers.

In Iran, the Majlis (Parliament) votes on issues. They are then forwarded to the Guardian Council (12 Islamic Judges). If the Council approves the legislation it is then forwarded to the Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. If he approves it, the legislation or decree becomes law. If he does not approve it, the issue is dead.

The process is, in fact, one man control.

Please don't paint it out to be some major democratic process. It isn't.

Sounds a similar process to the USA, where one man seems to have veto over most things!

[GentlemanJim]

Most amusing is that it appears that the European ban on Iranian oil will take place fully from 1st July with various contracts being phased out gradually, particularly for Greece who are heavily reliant on Iranian oil. Iran should just turn around and say . all deals off, the ban starts today, go elsewhere for your oil. That would through the ball squarely back in the face of the Eurocrats.

They'd never do that as they'd shoot themselves right in the foot. Iran sustains itself on oil sales so unless China comes along and says 'we'll take it' (they'd need some stones), they'll have to suck it up.

I have no love for the Israeli psyche, but you can appreciate their position in this, when a nearby state publically wishes to see them flattened. To be fair, it could all do with kicking off anyhow. Good year for it, and for China-India to forgo half their populace.. think of all that spare air.

Well it seems like they may do that!!

http://www.speroforum.com/a/NTVFEOLKVG39/67531-Iran-To-Vote-On-Blocking-Oil-Deliveries-To-Europe

What makes me laugh is the following quote

German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle warned in the hours ahead of the planned Iranian vote that the EU would not allow Iran to push it into a corner with the tactic.

Westerwelle called the threat "a regrettable and dangerous escalation in rhetoric," saying the EU would find ways "to compensate for delivery stoppages."

So Germany can lead a European motion to boycott Iranian oil in 6 months, so everyone can conveniently find alternative suppliers before they shaft Iran, but when Iran come back and say 'fair enough, well ram it, as of today", everyone seems surprised and upset. Mind boggling!

[flying]

So Germany can lead a European motion to boycott Iranian oil in 6 months, so everyone can conveniently find alternative suppliers before they shaft Iran, but when Iran come back and say 'fair enough, well ram it, as of today", everyone seems surprised and upset. Mind boggling!

Exactly!

But of course it is not seen as their choice to fire their customers.

Instead it is seen by those who started it all as an aggressive action...or more exactly..."a regrettable and dangerous escalation in rhetoric,"

Edited January 30, 2012 by flying

[chuckd]

Well, actually in Iran they discuss about doing this- halt oil sales to Europe. And they discuss about this in the parliament, so it will be not just a decision made by some Council of Ministers.

In Iran, the Majlis (Parliament) votes on issues. They are then forwarded to the Guardian Council (12 Islamic Judges). If the Council approves the legislation it is then forwarded to the Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. If he approves it, the legislation or decree becomes law. If he does not approve it, the issue is dead.

The process is, in fact, one man control.

Please don't paint it out to be some major democratic process. It isn't.

Sounds a similar process to the USA, where one man seems to have veto over most things!

A veto can be overridden with a 2/3rd vote by Congress. If anybody tries to override the Supreme Leader, they will be executed.

Not even close to similar.

[Scott]

An off-topic post has been removed. Please re-read the OP. I think the operative initials are EU, not USA.