Thai Court Gives Green Light To Wage Hike

[webfact]

Court gives green light to wage hike

The Nation

BANGKOK: -- The government has been given the green light to raise the minimum wage on April 1, after the Central Adminis-trative Court yesterday refused to impose an injunction on the move.

Twenty-three firms asked for the injunction, saying that the Central Wage Committee had resorted to illegitimate procedures in ordering that the minimum wage be raised to Bt300 in seven provinces on April 1.

The court revealed that the Central Wage Committee had taken into account factors like the cost of living index, inflation, living standards, manufacturing costs, goods/services cost, productivity, as well as general economic and social conditions. The panel had also considered proposals from the sub-committee in charge of wages.

The Central Wage Commit-tee also considered opinions from a working panel chaired by a Bank of Thailand deputy governor and made up of experts and goverment and employee representatives.

The court ruled that the committee had followed required procedure and not resorted to illegitimate means.

-- The Nation 2012-03-21

[Buchholz]

The government has been given the green light to raise the minimum wage on April 1

Meanwhile, 70 of Thailand's 77 provinces are held up at the government's red light...

For a number of provinces, it equates to waiting 94608000 seconds on the red light counter

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[otherstuff1957]

Thailand's economy is highly centralized, with most of the wealth and power focused in Bangkok. By increasing the wages disproportionally in Bangkok the government is making this problem even worse. Instead of luring even more workers to Bangkok and the nearby provinces, they need to develop industries and businesses upcountry, so that workers can earn a decent living near their homes, instead of breaking families apart, with working age people all in BKK and the grandparents and kids staying upcountry.

I am not opposed to this increase in principal, but the execution is flawed.

PS: Mr. Amsterdam, you're barking up the wrong tree this time, this suit wasn't brought to the courts by the Democrats, but by some big corporations, but don't let the facts get in the way of a good soundbite.

[jonclark]

Thailand's economy is highly centralized, with most of the wealth and power focused in Bangkok. By increasing the wages disproportionally in Bangkok the government is making this problem even worse. Instead of luring even more workers to Bangkok and the nearby provinces, they need to develop industries and businesses upcountry, so that workers can earn a decent living near their homes, instead of breaking families apart, with working age people all in BKK and the grandparents and kids staying upcountry.

I am not opposed to this increase in principal, but the execution is flawed.

PS: Mr. Amsterdam, you're barking up the wrong tree this time, this suit wasn't brought to the courts by the Democrats, but by some big corporations, but don't let the facts get in the way of a good soundbite.

If this is Mr. Amsterdams interpretation of the article - god help his clients, if he is unable to see that it clearly says "23 firms" and yet he reads it as the opposition, he needs glasses

[givenall]

Thailand's economy is highly centralized, with most of the wealth and power focused in Bangkok. By increasing the wages disproportionally in Bangkok the government is making this problem even worse. Instead of luring even more workers to Bangkok and the nearby provinces, they need to develop industries and businesses upcountry, so that workers can earn a decent living near their homes, instead of breaking families apart, with working age people all in BKK and the grandparents and kids staying upcountry.

I am not opposed to this increase in principal, but the execution is flawed.

PS: Mr. Amsterdam, you're barking up the wrong tree this time, this suit wasn't brought to the courts by the Democrats, but by some big corporations, but don't let the facts get in the way of a good soundbite.

Do you even listen to yourself? This is Thai government you are referring too. They do things only that make sense and benefit themselves not the Thai people

[mic6ard]

Thailand's economy is highly centralized, with most of the wealth and power focused in Bangkok. By increasing the wages disproportionally in Bangkok the government is making this problem even worse. Instead of luring even more workers to Bangkok and the nearby provinces, they need to develop industries and businesses upcountry, so that workers can earn a decent living near their homes, instead of breaking families apart, with working age people all in BKK and the grandparents and kids staying upcountry.

I am not opposed to this increase in principal, but the execution is flawed.

PS: Mr. Amsterdam, you're barking up the wrong tree this time, this suit wasn't brought to the courts by the Democrats, but by some big corporations, but don't let the facts get in the way of a good soundbite.

Do you even listen to yourself? This is Thai government you are referring too. They do things only that make sense and benefit themselves not the Thai people

Sad but true

[Unkomoncents]

Thailand's economy is highly centralized, with most of the wealth and power focused in Bangkok. By increasing the wages disproportionally in Bangkok the government is making this problem even worse. Instead of luring even more workers to Bangkok and the nearby provinces, they need to develop industries and businesses upcountry, so that workers can earn a decent living near their homes, instead of breaking families apart, with working age people all in BKK and the grandparents and kids staying upcountry.

I am not opposed to this increase in principal, but the execution is flawed.

PS: Mr. Amsterdam, you're barking up the wrong tree this time, this suit wasn't brought to the courts by the Democrats, but by some big corporations, but don't let the facts get in the way of a good soundbite.

I agree with you but a topical approach to history reveals the appealing fact that countries develop when people flood urban centers and provide cheap labor. The Thai situation is significantly more complicated than the historical record of Britain developing urban centers of production. Nevertheless, I believe Thais and foreign economists believe they can manage Thailand haphazardly, even when there is an incredibly modern, sophisticated, urban citizenship-base working alongside village farmers with knowledge of nothing but rice. There needs to be a much stronger hand (a la China) than the infamous invisible one that so often is allowed to dictate politics...

[phiphidon]

The government has been given the green light to raise the minimum wage on April 1

Meanwhile, 70 of Thailand's 77 provinces are held up at the government's red light...

For a number of provinces, it equates to waiting 94608000 seconds on the red light counter

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Who fed you that information Buchholz, don't tell me you worked it out for yourself using TV's much vaunted search facility? In fact is it information, what does it mean?

[Buchholz]

The government has been given the green light to raise the minimum wage on April 1

Meanwhile, 70 of Thailand's 77 provinces are held up at the government's red light...

For a number of provinces, it equates to waiting 94608000 seconds on the red light counter

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Who fed you that information Buchholz, don't tell me you worked it out for yourself using TV's much vaunted search facility? In fact is it information, what does it mean?

Using the ever helpful and efficient search engine on Thaivisa, the answer quickly pops up...

The Bt300 rate will go into effect in 70 other provinces on January 1 of 2013, 2014 and 2015

3 years = 94,608,000 seconds

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_seconds_are_there_in_a_year

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[tlansford]

The government has been given the green light to raise the minimum wage on April 1

Meanwhile, 70 of Thailand's 77 provinces are held up at the government's red light...

For a number of provinces, it equates to waiting 94608000 seconds on the red light counter

.

Who fed you that information Buchholz, don't tell me you worked it out for yourself using TV's much vaunted search facility? In fact is it information, what does it mean?

I believe the correct term is misinformation Perhaps deliberate, perhaps through ignorance, perhaps through a deficit of search-engine skills...

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One, the minimum wage is not set by the government, but by the Central Wage committee made up of 15 representatives, 5 each from labor, employers, & the govt.

Two, the minimum wage is increased in all 77 provinces at the same time as explained below. The short version being : min wage increases 39,5% everywhere in 10 days, and for the provinces not at 300B/day, they will go to 300B/day Jan 1.

http://msna.biz/thailand-minimum-wage-rise-postponed

*The Thai Cabinet has acknowledged the resolution to increase the daily minimum wage rate which varies across the country from Baht 63 to Baht 85. Thus, this will be increased in two steps as follows:

Step 1. An increase of 39.5% of the 2011 daily minimum wage rate

Step 2. An increase to Baht 300 starting on 1 January 2013.

Remark: In the years 2014 and 2015, the daily minimum wage rate will be fixed at Baht 300 for all provinces. However, if there happens to be a strong economic disturbance that affects the living standard of the workers, the daily minimum wage rates applicable for 2014 and 2015 may be adjusted as the Wage Committee deems appropriate.

The move to delay the implementation from Jan 1 2012 to Apr 1 2012 was also a decision of the Central Wage Committee and was done explicitly to accommodate the business community for the impact of the flooding.

[Buchholz]

Meanwhile, 70 of Thailand's 77 provinces are held up at the government's red light...

For a number of provinces, it equates to waiting 94608000 seconds on the red light counter

Who fed you that information Buchholz, don't tell me you worked it out for yourself using TV's much vaunted search facility? In fact is it information, what does it mean?

I believe the correct term is misinformation Perhaps deliberate, perhaps through ignorance, perhaps through a deficit of search-engine skills...

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One, the minimum wage is not set by the government, but by the Central Wage committee made up of 15 representatives, 5 each from labor, employers, & the govt.

Two, the minimum wage is increased in all 77 provinces at the same time as explained below. The short version being : min wage increases 39,5% everywhere in 10 days, and for the provinces not at 300B/day, they will go to 300B/day Jan 1.

http://msna.biz/thai...-rise-postponed

quote

*The Thai Cabinet has acknowledged the resolution to increase the daily minimum wage rate which varies across the country from Baht 63 to Baht 85. Thus, this will be increased in two steps as follows:

Step 1. An increase of 39.5% of the 2011 daily minimum wage rate

Step 2. An increase to Baht 300 starting on 1 January 2013.

Remark: In the years 2014 and 2015, the daily minimum wage rate will be fixed at Baht 300 for all provinces. However, if there happens to be a strong economic disturbance that affects the living standard of the workers, the daily minimum wage rates applicable for 2014 and 2015 may be adjusted as the Wage Committee deems appropriate.

*unquote*

The move to delay the implementation from Jan 1 2012 to Apr 1 2012 was also a decision of the Central Wage Committee and was done explicitly to accommodate the business community for the impact of the flooding.

ha ha ha...

your source this time is nearly as laughable as your earlier use of Facebook UDD International News

http://www.thaivisa....ost__p__5140391

UDD International News

http://www.facebook....140538592642203

The so-called article you reference and link above is to some dude called

Thai Business Expert

that works for some paperwork mill/lawyer/accounting firm

THAILAND ACCOUNTANT – MSNA LTD – Bangkok Accounting Company

Accounting Services, Audit, Tax, HR Outsourcing, Company Registration and Work Permit Bangkok Thailand

oh yeah... he's real credible.... when he closes your linked "article" with an advertisement.

Contact MSNA for your questions regarding the minimum wage hike or should you need further assistance with any other Thailand Labour Law matters.

Please, I can appreciate the humor you bring to the news forum, but please come back to us when you have something more credible from an actual news source and not some huckster seeking customers.

While it's entirely possible that this government, which changes their guidelines and edicts on a daily basis, could very well have changed course from what they said earlier in the news article I linked, but if they have, surely you could provide the forum with something more valid than some anonymous entity known as a Thai Business Expert.

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Edited March 21, 2012 by Buchholz

[WackySomchai]

Not a majority of Thais voted the Puea Thaksin Party in but the majority will pay ...

[tlansford]

Thailand's economy is highly centralized, with most of the wealth and power focused in Bangkok. By increasing the wages disproportionally in Bangkok the government is making this problem even worse. Instead of luring even more workers to Bangkok and the nearby provinces, they need to develop industries and businesses upcountry, so that workers can earn a decent living near their homes, instead of breaking families apart, with working age people all in BKK and the grandparents and kids staying upcountry.

I am not opposed to this increase in principal, but the execution is flawed.

PS: Mr. Amsterdam, you're barking up the wrong tree this time, this suit wasn't brought to the courts by the Democrats, but by some big corporations, but don't let the facts get in the way of a good soundbite.

The increases are not only for BKK / 7 provinces. The other 70 get a 39.5% increase now, and go to 300 B in another 9 months.

[sparebox2]

Thailand's economy is highly centralized, with most of the wealth and power focused in Bangkok. By increasing the wages disproportionally in Bangkok the government is making this problem even worse. Instead of luring even more workers to Bangkok and the nearby provinces, they need to develop industries and businesses upcountry, so that workers can earn a decent living near their homes, instead of breaking families apart, with working age people all in BKK and the grandparents and kids staying upcountry.

I am not opposed to this increase in principal, but the execution is flawed.

PS: Mr. Amsterdam, you're barking up the wrong tree this time, this suit wasn't brought to the courts by the Democrats, but by some big corporations, but don't let the facts get in the way of a good soundbite.

The increases are not only for BKK / 7 provinces. The other 70 get a 39.5% increase now, and go to 300 B in another 9 months.

Good news for the poor, bad for the rich.

The Robin Hood govt.

[metisdead]

A trolling post has been removed as well as the replies.

[tlansford]

Thailand's economy is highly centralized, with most of the wealth and power focused in Bangkok. By increasing the wages disproportionally in Bangkok the government is making this problem even worse. Instead of luring even more workers to Bangkok and the nearby provinces, they need to develop industries and businesses upcountry, so that workers can earn a decent living near their homes, instead of breaking families apart, with working age people all in BKK and the grandparents and kids staying upcountry.

I am not opposed to this increase in principal, but the execution is flawed.

PS: Mr. Amsterdam, you're barking up the wrong tree this time, this suit wasn't brought to the courts by the Democrats, but by some big corporations, but don't let the facts get in the way of a good soundbite.

The increases are not only for BKK / 7 provinces. The other 70 get a 39.5% increase now, and go to 300 B in another 9 months.

Good news for the poor, bad for the rich.

The Robin Hood govt.

The rich won't notice a thing.

The poor are like dandruff on their suit collar...

[Buchholz]

Thailand's economy is highly centralized, with most of the wealth and power focused in Bangkok. By increasing the wages disproportionally in Bangkok the government is making this problem even worse. Instead of luring even more workers to Bangkok and the nearby provinces, they need to develop industries and businesses upcountry, so that workers can earn a decent living near their homes, instead of breaking families apart, with working age people all in BKK and the grandparents and kids staying upcountry.

I am not opposed to this increase in principal, but the execution is flawed.

PS: Mr. Amsterdam, you're barking up the wrong tree this time, this suit wasn't brought to the courts by the Democrats, but by some big corporations, but don't let the facts get in the way of a good soundbite.

The increases are not only for BKK / 7 provinces. The other 70 get a 39.5% increase now, and go to 300 B in another 9 months.

At least that is what is allegedly happening according to tlansford's "source" of some anonymous huckster claims in his online ads

http://www.thaivisa....ost__p__5153518

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Edited March 22, 2012 by Buchholz

[Thaddeus]

Thailand's economy is highly centralized, with most of the wealth and power focused in Bangkok. By increasing the wages disproportionally in Bangkok the government is making this problem even worse. Instead of luring even more workers to Bangkok and the nearby provinces, they need to develop industries and businesses upcountry, so that workers can earn a decent living near their homes, instead of breaking families apart, with working age people all in BKK and the grandparents and kids staying upcountry.

I am not opposed to this increase in principal, but the execution is flawed.

PS: Mr. Amsterdam, you're barking up the wrong tree this time, this suit wasn't brought to the courts by the Democrats, but by some big corporations, but don't let the facts get in the way of a good soundbite.

The increases are not only for BKK / 7 provinces. The other 70 get a 39.5% increase now, and go to 300 B in another 9 months.

At least that is what is allegedly happening according to tlansford's "source" of some anonymous huckster claims in his online ads

http://www.thaivisa....ost__p__5153518

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The proof of the pudding will definitely be in the eating ...... let's check back in a few months.... like so many other 'facts' and 'promises' that have vapourised, to be forgotten by those that supported and justified them.

I've lost count of the number of times that the goal posts have moved with this lot, it's like herding cats.

[TAWP]

Begging brings in 1k+ baht per day.

(Quoted by the police in another article of the same arrest.)

[tlansford]

- quote limit exceeded -

The increases are not only for BKK / 7 provinces. The other 70 get a 39.5% increase now, and go to 300 B in another 9 months.

At least that is what is allegedly happening according to tlansford's "source" of some anonymous huckster claims in his online ads

http://www.thaivisa....ost__p__5153518

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The proof of the pudding will definitely be in the eating ...... let's check back in a few months.... like so many other 'facts' and 'promises' that have vapourised, to be forgotten by those that supported and justified them.

I've lost count of the number of times that the goal posts have moved with this lot, it's like herding cats.

Wait a few days, perhaps.

But thanks for quoting the troll above.

In this case, the goal posts were moved at the request of and to accommodate the business community after the severe flooding.

If one searches outside the narrow-minded TVF universe, they'll find dozens of links - including the other paper's business section - describing the program for this year.

"hucksters" like KPMG, for example, say the same thing as other "hucksters", and other media outlets... I can't imagine why none of them agree with the other poster's fantasy...

eg:

KPMG’s summary of the Thai Cabinet’s postponement of the new daily minimum wage rate

On 22nd November 2011, the Thai Cabinet acknowledged the Wage Committee’s resolution to increase the daily minimum wage rate, which varies across the country from THB 63 to THB 85.

In addition, the Thai Cabinet agreed to postpone the effective date that the new minimum wage rate will come into force from 1st January 2012 to 1st April 2012. This deferral was proposed by the Ministry of Labour and is due to the current flooding disaster.

The increase of the daily minimum wage rate can be summarized as follows:

• The minimum wage rate per day will be fixed at THB 300 for Bangkok, Nontaburi, Patumtani, Samutprakarn, Samut Sakorn, Nakornpatom and Phuket.

• The minimum wage rate per day for the other 70 provinces will be increased in two steps as follows:

o Step 1: An increase of 39.5% calculated on the 2011 existing minimum wage rate per day in each of the 70 provinces; and

o Step 2: An increase to THB 300 on 1st January 2013.

• In the years 2014 and 2015, the minimum wage rate per day will be fixed at THB 300 for all provinces.

However, if there happens to be a severe economic crisis that impacts the employees’ cost of living, the Wage Committee may consider and adjust the daily minimum wage rate in 2014 and 2015 as it deems fit.

Thailand Tax Alert Issue 38 – December 2011 KPMG’s summary of the Thai Cabinet’s postponement of the new daily minimum wage rate Please do not hesitate to contact your KPMG’s representative if you have any question about this announcement or should you require any assistance with any other Labour Law issues.

[nurofiend]

off topic, but could you find a smaller picture of some traffic lights to make your joke buccholz?

you've kinda ruined the page size.

please.

[nurofiend]

here's a nice one for you

[Buchholz]

off topic, but could you find a smaller picture of some traffic lights to make your joke buccholz?

you've kinda ruined the page size.

please.

Thanks for pointing that out.

I believe it's corrected now, although to see the change effected, one needs to clean their cookies and reload the page.

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[theblether]

Today I voted to give myself a 50% pay rise, my boss sacked me.........dammit.

It doesn't matter what the courts say......bosses will vote with their feet......watch out for a landslide of sackings and companies fleeing Thailand.

[metisdead]

Off topic bickering posts have been removed. Quoted posts that have been snipped to change the context of the quoted posts have been removed as well.

[mic6ard]

We are all doomed. 300Thb at new year. Totally nuts:wacko:

Posted with Thaivisa App http://apps.thaivisa.com

[Buchholz]

BoT: Minimum wage hike and soaring fuel price might cause inflation

BANGKOK, 26 March 2012 (NNT) - The Bank of Thailand (BoT) has tasked itself with monitoring the impacts which may arise from the entry into force of the minimum wage hike policy as well as the upward adjustment of fuel price in fear of a possible inflation.

BoT Assistant Governor for Monetary Stability Suchada Kirakul has disclosed that the central bank will closely assess the result of the implementation of the 300-baht minimum wage hike policy and the increased fuel price in order to determine how much pressure these two factors will put on inflation. She explained that both entrepreneurs and consumers will likely suffer from the minimum wage increase as it will add to the initial production costs while also limiting the people's purchasing power.

Thus, the BoT is determined to keep a close eye on these two factors to brace the country for a possible resurface of inflation.

-- NNT 2012-03-26

Edited March 26, 2012 by Buchholz

[Buchholz]

Labour officials to check on Bt300 wage hike abuse

To prepare for D-day for payment of the Bt300 minimum daily wage on April 1 in seven provinces, labour relations officials will visit workplaces to make sure employers comply with the hike.

Employees already earning higher than Bt300 will neither demand more nor stage wage protests, Department of Labour Protection and Welfare director-general Arthit Issamo said Monday.

During visits to workplaces, DLPW officials will make sure employers have not secretly or openly included other welfare conditions, in monetary value, in the daily wage to absorb their costs, he said.

-- The Nation 2012-03-26

[Thaddeus]

And I bet the Department of Labour Protection and Welfare director-general Arthit Issamo is already thinking "oh crap, this was a really bad idea"

[rubl]

And I bet the Department of Labour Protection and Welfare director-general Arthit Issamo is already thinking "oh crap, this was a really bad idea"

The worthy gentleman will probably regret at least this remark "Employees already earning higher than Bt300 will neither demand more nor stage wage protests"