Thailand Is The Worlds Brothel.. Too Funny.

[BigJohnnyBKK]

The VAST majority of Thai women are normal, respectable women consumed with the same interests that their peers in every other country - clothes, career, husbands, boyfriends etc and would be appalled to hear that TV posters can nonchalantly conclude that if you're on a dating site you're a hooker.

Personally I think there's absolutely nothing wrong with a woman wanting to exchange sexual favors for money.

I think there is a large gap between a street walker or brothel worker on the one hand, and an expensive outcall escort agency girl.

A larger gap between that and a uni student who gives it up to her generous older male sponsors when she wants to go shopping for a new iPhone.

It starts to get a bit narrower between that and the woman who is supported by a man in exchange for his regular visits, what we used to call a mistress or a kept woman back home.

What about the girl looking for a husband, for whom his income and assets are the primary qualifier, what is still commonly called a gold-digger?

All of these but the very first set are more or less accepted and respected in Thai society, and I think most of us would agree that Asian women are a lot more practical than those in the west, to the point where I now believe that marrying "for love" is a silly superstition, a luxury only the rich can afford.

Those who believe that romance should be the main factor, that sex is procreation rather than pleasure, that all forms of prostitution are "bad" for both the customer and service provider, those that have strong traditional religious beliefs etc. many of those would agree with George Bernard Shaw's POV here:

Shaw: Madam, would you sleep with me for a million pounds?

Actress: My goodness, Well, I'd certainly think about it

Shaw: Would you sleep with me for a pound?

Actress: Certainly not! What kind of woman do you think I am?!

Shaw: Madam, we've already established that. Now we are haggling about the price.

Now I don't think there's anything wrong with Thailand having taken this role on in the world, but the fact remains that it has.

And if you've had any experience with these online dating sites, I think you'll very quickly come to the conclusion that many if not most of these lovely lasses fall toward the lower end of the spectrum I've outlined, and very very few of them would choose to go with a "jai dee older man with a sense of humour" unless he was also pretty well set up in the income/assets department.

I'm also sure they would be happy to drop their knickers for free just for fun for young athletic movie-star handsome farang as well, but the way Thai society works doing so would be much more shameful than the more mercenary approaches outlined above.

And that IMO is the real fundamental problem here in Thailand. As long as a girl gets enough economic return from "giving it up", there's no embarassment. But if she indulges just for her own pleasure, everyone gets on their high horse about it and slut-shames her.

Why? Because it takes the control out of the hands of men, particularly the men with money.

I'm starting to sound like a feminist in my old age. But a sex-positive one.

[inthepink]

I disagree (unsurprisingly). To me, there is absolutely no difference between a streetwalker and a uni student having sex with her "sponsor". They are both whores, plain and simple. This opinion is shared by at least one Thai woman I know and probably most of the girls I knew back home. I could pretend to know dozens of Thai girls who think the same but it's not a subject I bring up in casual conversation so I just don't know. However, the one Thai girl of whose opinion I am sure does not seem particularly un-Thai as far as the rest of her opinions are concerned so I personally doubt that sex for financial gain is quite as acceptable as you seem to think it is (not in polite circles anyway)

Edited March 30, 2012 by inthepink

[BigJohnnyBKK]

Umm, its not an "opinion" - its the definition of those on internet sites looking for a foreign man.

You're an idiot and a dinosaur.

[samsiam]

Nothing at all wrong with sex for cash...as long as it is consenting between both parties and of legal age and both parties get out of it what they want......everyone else should mind their own business.

[inthepink]

if everybody minded their own business this forum would die a very quick death.

By the way, you never explained your subsidy comment?

Edited March 30, 2012 by inthepink

[nong38]

I'm only here for the beer! Honest, anyone know where I can lay a good Batemans XXXB?

[samsiam]

By the way, you never explained your subsidy comment?

In Australia the government pays/paid an allowance/subsidy when you have a baby.....some people...instead of using the cash to buy essentials they may not have or can afford for a newborn....they run out and buy big screen TV's etc......some people see the subsidy as the reason for having the child.....

[inthepink]

By the way, you never explained your subsidy comment?

In Australia the government pays/paid an allowance/subsidy when you have a baby.....some people...instead of using the cash to buy essentials they may not have or can afford for a newborn....they run out and buy big screen TV's etc......some people see the subsidy as the reason for having the child.....

Ah, I see. Went right over my head. Thanks

[lonexpat]

It's not so impoossible to believe, is it? If you"re happy to prostitute yourself, then so be it. Don"t believe that because this is Thailand you have to be a hoare who can only interact on a pay per view level. There are many beautiful Thai (profession] women out there looking for a good partner. But because they don" t look in bars?, There's what? Every Farang/tourist,whiteman or what ever you chose to call yourself [Weather you think it"s racist or not look at your failures in life and then sit back and judge] For eveyone who has found happiness in Thailand, I salute, you.

[BigJohnnyBKK]

I disagree (unsurprisingly). To me, there is absolutely no difference between a streetwalker and a uni student having sex with her "sponsor". They are both whores, plain and simple. This opinion is shared by at least one Thai woman I know and probably most of the girls I knew back home. I could pretend to know dozens of Thai girls who think the same but it's not a subject I bring up in casual conversation so I just don't know. However, the one Thai girl of whose opinion I am sure does not seem particularly un-Thai as far as the rest of her opinions are concerned so I personally doubt that sex for financial gain is quite as acceptable as you seem to think it is (not in polite circles anyway)

What, including girls who would never consider marrying a man who wasn't rich? I don't think she's be able to hold her head up in so-called "polite circles".

And all the rich mia noi's I've come across (hundreds) hold their head up high despite never having held a real job in their life. And many of them are on very civil terms with their husbands other partners - at least on the surface.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it, just that society is very hypocritical about what it judges (usually very negatively) to be prostitution and what it doesn't.

Thailand is much more traditional than the west, and therefore much more accepting of those arrangements.

Those with enough of an education to know how most westerners feel about such matters are likely to tailor their responses to be acceptable - ask educated Thais if they believe in the supernatural (ghosts, spirits, possession, fortune-telling etc) and they lie through their teeth because they know most educationed westerners think such beliefs are a sign of idiocy.

[IanForbes]

Mail order bride is an old term used to describe women who went over-seas to provide female companionship for men in a wilderness land with no women. It happened in Australia and North America when the early explorers, being almost exclusively men, wanted wives. In modern days the term has been changed somewhat to include women who want husbands where there aren't enough suitable men available where they live. The only difference is modern men and women use the internet and dating sites. Any time you have large groups of people wanting to meet others there is bound to be every description possible... from flat out scammers to the most puritan people possible. There is no one size fits all.

The term "brothel" refers to places where women are forced to work in the sex industry against their will. They have basically been "sold" into sexual slavery by their parents. They cannot leave. There are still a few brothels in Thailand, but they are slowly dying out. They are not evident to the average tourist and most are run by an underground Thai mafia who operate with impunity by bribing the local police. The bars you see with all the available women in various locations in Thailand are NOT brothels. The women who work those bars do so of their own free will, even though economics are usually the reason they are there.

I understand the OP's tongue in cheek topic, but only because of the topic heading use of the words "World's brothel". There are certainly many part time hookers who use the dating sites to attract more customers. Why not? It only makes good business sense.

[IanForbes]

I disagree (unsurprisingly). To me, there is absolutely no difference between a streetwalker and a uni student having sex with her "sponsor". They are both whores, plain and simple. This opinion is shared by at least one Thai woman I know and probably most of the girls I knew back home. I could pretend to know dozens of Thai girls who think the same but it's not a subject I bring up in casual conversation so I just don't know. However, the one Thai girl of whose opinion I am sure does not seem particularly un-Thai as far as the rest of her opinions are concerned so I personally doubt that sex for financial gain is quite as acceptable as you seem to think it is (not in polite circles anyway)

What, including girls who would never consider marrying a man who wasn't rich? I don't think she's be able to hold her head up in so-called "polite circles".

And all the rich mia noi's I've come across (hundreds) hold their head up high despite never having held a real job in their life. And many of them are on very civil terms with their husbands other partners - at least on the surface.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it, just that society is very hypocritical about what it judges (usually very negatively) to be prostitution and what it doesn't.

Thailand is much more traditional than the west, and therefore much more accepting of those arrangements.

Those with enough of an education to know how most westerners feel about such matters are likely to tailor their responses to be acceptable - ask educated Thais if they believe in the supernatural (ghosts, spirits, possession, fortune-telling etc) and they lie through their teeth because they know most educationed westerners think such beliefs are a sign of idiocy.

Good post, BigJohnnyBKK. I agree entirely. I happen to hate hypocrisy in all its various forms.

[David006]

Is Hi-So now, by default, any girl that a TV member partners with that they met outside of a bar?

Seems to me the original meaning is an individual with a an upper crust name, background , a ton of cash and mixing in the same circles...nothing to do with tertiary education...bit like what would be called "old money" in the UK maybe?

We could have suggestions for a new word to describe those fine ladies met outside of the bar environment since Hi-So is,in many cases, not the ideal adjective....

maybe a newspeak word like unslut or double unbar, unbike...

[samsiam]

The term "brothel" refers to places where women are forced to work in the sex industry against their will.

A bigger croc I have yet to read..

[ROMANOBA]

Meet that special Thai girl now

You should widen your experience and try to meet girls outside of brothels.

THE DIFFERENCE BEING THAT THE GIRLS IN THE BROTHEL WILL PROBABLY BE MUCH MORE HONEST AND RELIABLE THAN THE GIRLS ' OUTSIDE'...

SADLY, IN THAILAND, IT'S NOT A JOKE.

[BigJohnnyBKK]

THE DIFFERENCE BEING THAT THE GIRLS IN THE BROTHEL WILL PROBABLY BE MUCH MORE HONEST AND RELIABLE THAN THE GIRLS ' OUTSIDE'...

SADLY, IN THAILAND, IT'S NOT A JOKE.

No, just sad that you think that.

The girls in the brothels just don't have leeway, customer service can be enforced where there is a business with BiB backup that can be held accountable.

Freelancers can be very nice people, but note that here wrt farang their objective is to maximize their income and minimize what they have to put out for it.

Up to the customer to recognize that and look for the ones that are not so dishonest/greedy or just haven't figured out the game yet.

Once in a while you meet one that is truly a wonderful human being - I reckon in about the same proportion that you meet such in any random population, and most likely a higher proportion than the average active-posting TV member 8-)

The term "brothel" refers to places where women are forced to work in the sex industry against their will. They have basically been "sold" into sexual slavery by their parents. They cannot leave. There are still a few brothels in Thailand, but they are slowly dying out. They are not evident to the average tourist and most are run by an underground Thai mafia who operate with impunity by bribing the local police. The bars you see with all the available women in various locations in Thailand are NOT brothels. The women who work those bars do so of their own free will, even though economics are usually the reason they are there.

Very bizarre definition. In reality, a brothel is a place that employs prostitutes and usually provides the room in-house. As opposed to an outcall agency which employ "call girls", sometimes under the cloak of "escort" services, or the streetworkers.

None of these distinctions have anything to do with how the sex worker got there, their willingness to work in the sex industry or other specifics about working conditions, other than the fact that brothels usually exercise greater control over the girls, e.g. are much less likely to employ "freelancers", let them decline to go with particular customers etc.

Soapy massage places are brothels. Blowjob bars are brothels. Eden Club and their ilk are brothels.

Thailand's beer bars would be termed brothels as a pejorative for those that think prostitution is a bad thing, but it's a bit of a grey area, since the bar acts more like an agency, only getting a flat-fee "bar fine" and the girl is usually free to choose what customers she will accept, negotiates her own fee, and otherwise acts like a freelancer as long as she obeys the overall employment framework.

Yes there are brothels that purchase trafficked women, some of whom didn't know what they were getting into and need to be guarded or even chained to the beds so they don't escape. Your other statements about these businesses are true, and it is true that in Thailand very few of these allow farang customers, as it just brings too much trouble to the business and their local BiB partners.

However in many countries where sex work has been effectively decriminalized, the prostitutes are able to set up cooperative ownership arrangements to set up the legal structures, rent or buy the premises etc so there isn't any pimping-style exploitation and they are in better control of their working conditions. These are still brothels.

The world would be a much better place if this model became the standard. Sex workers should be free to practice their trade in safety and dignity. Unfortunately this requires a rational environment with effective rule of law, which of course rules out Thailand.

[how241]

Have a care.

All of the Members with Chinese/Thai wives with medical degrees, whose fathers own half of Bangkok will be outraged by such a post....

If they would be the slightest bit interested in what people here think. I'm sure they have better uses for their time.

[kerryk]

Meet that special Thai girl now

You should widen your experience and try to meet girls outside of brothels.

THE DIFFERENCE BEING THAT THE GIRLS IN THE BROTHEL WILL PROBABLY BE MUCH MORE HONEST AND RELIABLE THAN THE GIRLS ' OUTSIDE'...

SADLY, IN THAILAND, IT'S NOT A JOKE.

Where is it a joke?

[IanForbes]

Thanks for expanding on my answer, BigJohnnyBKK. Good post and more explanatory. I agree with you. However, we are treading on very thin ice here because we are not supposed to discuss the details of prostitution on thaivisa.

[nahkit]

My wife is of Hi-So Japanese ancestry.

She says; she spits on the Hi-So Chinese and craps all over the native Thai girls.

I’ve warned her about this habit, but she will do it.

I think I've seen her DVD.

[GuestHouse]

The term "brothel" refers to places where women are forced to work in the sex industry against their will. .....,,,, The bars you see with all the available women in various locations in Thailand are NOT brothels.

Wrong on both counts.

But please free to invent definitions for longstanding words in the English language which already have very precise definitions.... If it helps you in some way.

[ExpatOilWorker]

My wife is of Hi-So Japanese ancestry.

She says; she spits on the Hi-So Chinese and craps all over the native Thai girls.

I’ve warned her about this habit, but she will do it.

I am happy she didn't win the war. Lets do a bukkake for her, so she can enjoy some other body fluids.

[IanForbes]

The term "brothel" refers to places where women are forced to work in the sex industry against their will. .....,,,, The bars you see with all the available women in various locations in Thailand are NOT brothels.

Wrong on both counts.

But please free to invent definitions for longstanding words in the English language which already have very precise definitions.... If it helps you in some way.

Well, in that case the original topic entry was correct... The whole of Thailand is just one big brothel.

[GuestHouse]

The term "brothel" refers to places where women are forced to work in the sex industry against their will. .....,,,, The bars you see with all the available women in various locations in Thailand are NOT brothels.

Wrong on both counts.

But please free to invent definitions for longstanding words in the English language which already have very precise definitions.... If it helps you in some way.

Well, in that case the original topic entry was correct... The whole of Thailand is just one big brothel.

The Opening Post is still there to be read - it discusses the point that in a email alert from Thaivsia regarding a report that 'Thailand is the world's brothel' there is also an advertisement for an online dating agency offering the chance to meet Thai women.

There is no statement or agreement or otherwise with the referenced article, that Thailand is or is not a the world's brothel.

We then got into the ridiculous argument that people just could not see the link between Thailand and Prostitution/The Sex Industry.

Well we manage to shoot holes in that - Now we've moved to people denying that Brothels are in fact brothels with the subtext that anyone who disagrees with this some how has issues with the existence of prostitutes.

We started with a lack of veracity, it seems intellectual rigour has now left the stage.

[Baerboxer]

Yeah and both those countries are such a source of mail order brides exporting women (in mismatched age / / education / wealth) marriages world wide..

I have never seen a "mail order bride".

Can someone give me a hint where I can find one? I mean, not in a Western magazine, but a real one?

In general any thai online dating site.. like the one in the OP, is a common modern day start.

Why only "thai" online dating sites? All the others, are different then? Social media has become a starting point for many relationships.

[Baerboxer]

Have a care.

All of the Members with Chinese/Thai wives with medical degrees, whose fathers own half of Bangkok will be outraged by such a post....

Are there only two kinds of Thai women that men marry, do you think? Just because some people don't marry hookers they found in Pattaya Soi 6, doesn't mean that they married Chinese / Thai wives with rich fathers.

There is a middle ground.

My wife's mother was from Issan and her father from Hat Yai. She has a degree from a second-rate university and rather than work in bars she chose to earn much less money working in an office. Now she owns a couple of small shops.

Thailand women are not either hookers at the one extreme or rich hiso girls at the other. 90% of them are in the middle, busy earning a living, dating guys, falling in love, getting married and living perfectly normal lives.

Is that so unusual?

Bendix, this is something that has always confused me, and I agree with you.

Why is it that on threads like these, guys that clearly married a hooker throw up the sarcastic response that guys who challenge or comment must have married a hi-so, university educated, Chinese?

Lets assume that 5% of Thai women are hookers and maybe 5% are hi-so Chinese. That leaves 90% of normal girls that are available. Them odds is pretty good for finding a normal Thai girl.

You make a good comment DLock. I know several guys who married whores they met whilst initially on holiday here. They always wanted to believe all thai girls were like their wives, apart from the HISO. This somehow enabled them to accept their wives' past more easily. They wouldn't have dreamed of marrying a whore in their own country, but justify it to themselves by pretending "it's different here". I know many thai ladies, not whores, who are interested in foreign husbands - because they are sick of the way thai men behave. Dating sites, introduction agencies etc are a conduit for this. I'm sure some whores and ex-whores use these, but so do a lot of others.

[travelmann]

Yeah and both those countries are such a source of mail order brides exporting women (in mismatched age / / education / wealth) marriages world wide..

I have never seen a "mail order bride".

Can someone give me a hint where I can find one? I mean, not in a Western magazine, but a real one?

I believe they come thru the door but youll need an air pump and dont forget to check for leakage , although initially expensive for many here long term they would be way way cheaper.

[Amr]

Think you are the one to get over it and realise what Thailand really is.....in general....there are exceptions of course.

Yes, the exceptions are the vast majority.

Thailand's population: 60m ish?

Thailand's female population: 32m ish, a significant majority of whom would be under 40

Estimated number of prostitutes: 300,000? 500,000? I don't know.

Do the maths.

Well, Here is the right figures mate..... Sorry to disappoint you...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Thailand

[kerryk]

Think you are the one to get over it and realise what Thailand really is.....in general....there are exceptions of course.

Yes, the exceptions are the vast majority.

Thailand's population: 60m ish?

Thailand's female population: 32m ish, a significant majority of whom would be under 40

Estimated number of prostitutes: 300,000? 500,000? I don't know.

Do the maths.

Well, Here is the right figures mate..... Sorry to disappoint you...

http://en.wikipedia....ion_in_Thailand

You are forgetting you are attempting to communicate with Bendix. Better state how many.

[Baerboxer]

Think you are the one to get over it and realise what Thailand really is.....in general....there are exceptions of course.

Yes, the exceptions are the vast majority.

Thailand's population: 60m ish?

Thailand's female population: 32m ish, a significant majority of whom would be under 40

Estimated number of prostitutes: 300,000? 500,000? I don't know.

Do the maths.

Well, Here is the right figures mate..... Sorry to disappoint you...

http://en.wikipedia....ion_in_Thailand

Which figures do you believe in this article? Looks like 200 to 300k seems the figure. Hardly conclusive research by the look of it.