Can I Sue My Landlord?

[Soutpeel]

i prefer to rent apartments that have a receptionist , a chef and some staff like a security guards and a maintainance guys working 24/7 but of course none of this is free and these kind of apartments cost a bit more than just renting from the owner privately

but when something is broken ,its usually fixed within the hour and i dont mind paying a bit extra for this kind of service

Wana old chap....what you are taking about is called a hotel...

Why would you pay for some thing which is broken in serviced apartment unless you broke it ?

I rent serviced apartments for a couple of months a year when I am in BKK and have never had to pay for something which has broken...unless I broke it myself...ie a glass etc

[wana]

i prefer to rent apartments that have a receptionist , a chef and some staff like a security guards and a maintainance guys working 24/7 but of course none of this is free and these kind of apartments cost a bit more than just renting from the owner privately

but when something is broken ,its usually fixed within the hour and i dont mind paying a bit extra for this kind of service

Wana old chap....what you are taking about is called a hotel...

Why would you pay for some thing which is broken in serviced apartment unless you broke it ?

I rent serviced apartments for a couple of months a year when I am in BKK and have never had to pay for something which has broken...unless I broke it myself...ie a glass etc

its not a hotel ,its just a condomimium building

(but the differnce is ,everyone pays a service charge of 700 thb a month for all the staff /management/security guards etc )

this is opposed to a an identical condo building,where every rooom tenant rents privately from differnt landlords who live all over thailand and it takes days to sort out a repair because nobody is onsite and or responsible

a bit like the differnce between dealing with professionals and amateurs .....

[BigJohnnyBKK]

Can I ask how you sign, a new three-year lease, every year

Sure, each year we sign a new lease dated for the next three years out. Standard clause says "this lease cancels any previous agreements" or such (it's in Thai).

Another option is NOT to pay rent but to live out the deposit, Legally she can not lock you out without a court order.

If she does change locks, simple call to police and she will be arrested and up for 250 000baht bail.

....

i do not think by suing you will achieve much but spend more money. there is one trick, little dirty but worked for me each and every time.

by thai law, every landlord must register rental property and pay tax on it.

suggest/question her as to if the property is registered as a rental or should you contact revenue department to notify them.

what it basically means is that if she does not give back the deposit or whatever you will notify revenue dep and she will be liable to pay tax, mind you they wll check back to the length of ownership and demand tax for the entire period.

i know its on the border line of blackmail, but sometimes in thailand, one needs to go down to that level

PS. in the past, every time i had a problem with landlord NOT wanting to refund deposit or to charge for something i did not break, this strategy worked really well.

Very very dangerous suggestions - much more so than simply suggesting something illegal.

No matter what the law is, many landlords would simply have a bunch of thugs break your kneecaps and toss you over the balcony for trying shit like this.

Friend of mine was badly beaten with big sticks, couldn't work for eight months just for getting behind on the rent - or at least that was his story, but it was the landlord's goons anyway.

First rule of thumb for living here IMO is keep a low profile, don't let yourself get into direct confrontations. Whether you're "in the right" or not has little relevance here.

If you're going to get back at someone - and note I am NOT advocating doing anything - do it like the Thais so it can't be traced to you, and ideally even they don't know where it came from.

[letitbe]

you can waste your time and try and take court cases no problem you wont get anywhere however but please go ahead

[letitbe]

Another option is NOT to pay rent but to live out the deposit, Legally she can not lock you out without a court order.

If she does change locks, simple call to police and she will be arrested and up for 250 000baht bail.

Another option is NOT to pay rent but to live out the deposit, Legally she can not lock you out without a court order.

If she does change locks, simple call to police and she will be arrested and up for 250 000baht bail.

and how long have you been here we rent places out and I can assure you if my Thai wife whos owner (and has family in police) change the locks and have electricity cut off their would be absolutely no action by police. Your a very funny man we have never had any problem however with any of our tenants but when weve very rarely had one like you after politely explaining the electricity is in my wifes name and water and clauses in contract they see reason. We also tell all new tenants to carefully read contract and inform them we expect them to keep to it 100%. We do however make sure any repairs needed which we are responsible for are done very quickly but also make sure tenants know we dont change lightbulbs and dont sort out minor repairs only major things like air con or shower or cooker not working and such like. If you have a bad landlord just get out you wont win and in the end they wont get decent tenants but if your one of those bad tenants remember you are not in your nice PC country and if you expect help against a Thai from police in time youll learn the hard way. Unless they are being totally unreasonable and even then you probably wont get any help from police. As far as putting some substance in hidden places here you are playing with your life but go ahead if youve decided to leave area for good or youll simply end up one of those idiot forang who think they know law and how things work here.

[JAFO]

Hi how long of contract do you have ,maybe sometimes it's best to cut and run say goodbye to deposit that you have given

I'm guessing it's about 50 k she is holding so nearly 3 months rent

I'd suggest getting out finding a 5 k a month place for a few months recoup the 50 k that way and start again ,hopefully you will find somebody better next time

I'd say suing her is out of the question ,As for defending yourself in court is pretty rare ,there was a Iranian guy who did it but he spent nine years in prison learning law!

Move on and look fowardvto a new house

Great advice. I had a cheap landlord from hell too. Did same things. Lied to me, promised to fix and never came. I told them I wanted to move out and wanted my deposit back and they balked. I finally just decided life to short, found another place and moved out. Of course a bit of retribution was I did not tell them and vacated the place leaving a mess, left the 2 AC's running at the lowest settings(Electric bill in their name), turned off the timer to the pool so it was an algae pond, and they had set up the internet acct in their name for a year and I left after 6 months so they are saddled with the bill. I never heard from the owners but do know that the AC's ran for nearly 2 weeks 24/7 according to a neighbor. So the the cheap landlords did not walk away as fat as they though they would. Still cost me 28K baht. I figure they will lose half cleaning and paying off bills.

[Kilgore Trout]

Another option is NOT to pay rent but to live out the deposit, Legally she can not lock you out without a court order.

If she does change locks, simple call to police and she will be arrested and up for 250 000baht bail.

Another option is NOT to pay rent but to live out the deposit, Legally she can not lock you out without a court order.

If she does change locks, simple call to police and she will be arrested and up for 250 000baht bail.

and how long have you been here we rent places out and I can assure you if my Thai wife whos owner (and has family in police) change the locks and have electricity cut off their would be absolutely no action by police. Your a very funny man we have never had any problem however with any of our tenants but when weve very rarely had one like you after politely explaining the electricity is in my wifes name and water and clauses in contract they see reason. We also tell all new tenants to carefully read contract and inform them we expect them to keep to it 100%. We do however make sure any repairs needed which we are responsible for are done very quickly but also make sure tenants know we dont change lightbulbs and dont sort out minor repairs only major things like air con or shower or cooker not working and such like. If you have a bad landlord just get out you wont win and in the end they wont get decent tenants but if your one of those bad tenants remember you are not in your nice PC country and if you expect help against a Thai from police in time youll learn the hard way. Unless they are being totally unreasonable and even then you probably wont get any help from police. As far as putting some substance in hidden places here you are playing with your life but go ahead if youve decided to leave area for good or youll simply end up one of those idiot forang who think they know law and how things work here.

Oh yea, this is from the "big man" who's wife is rich and connected

More like a puppy on a leash, or just some fool sitting behind a computer screen

[x5david]

The Thailand business and legal guide link posted in the pinned topics in this thread http://www.thaivisa....seful-web-site/ is worth reading. Chapter 26?

I think you will find a Thai lawyer is required in all dealings with the court. I strongly believe representing yourself will be out of the question.

Not true, I have dealt with court here before and had no problem representing myself and won...

[petercallen]

i do not think by suing you will achieve much but spend more money. there is one trick, little dirty but worked for me each and every time.

by thai law, every landlord must register rental property and pay tax on it.

suggest/question her as to if the property is registered as a rental or should you contact revenue department to notify them.

what it basically means is that if she does not give back the deposit or whatever you will notify revenue dep and she will be liable to pay tax, mind you they wll check back to the length of ownership and demand tax for the entire period.

i know its on the border line of blackmail, but sometimes in thailand, one needs to go down to that level

PS. in the past, every time i had a problem with landlord NOT wanting to refund deposit or to charge for something i did not break, this strategy worked really well.

Very good idea

[wana]

Hi how long of contract do you have ,maybe sometimes it's best to cut and run say goodbye to deposit that you have given

I'm guessing it's about 50 k she is holding so nearly 3 months rent

I'd suggest getting out finding a 5 k a month place for a few months recoup the 50 k that way and start again ,hopefully you will find somebody better next time

I'd say suing her is out of the question ,As for defending yourself in court is pretty rare ,there was a Iranian guy who did it but he spent nine years in prison learning law!

Move on and look fowardvto a new house

Great advice. I had a cheap landlord from hell too. Did same things. Lied to me, promised to fix and never came. I told them I wanted to move out and wanted my deposit back and they balked. I finally just decided life to short, found another place and moved out. Of course a bit of retribution was I did not tell them and vacated the place leaving a mess, left the 2 AC's running at the lowest settings(Electric bill in their name), turned off the timer to the pool so it was an algae pond, and they had set up the internet acct in their name for a year and I left after 6 months so they are saddled with the bill. I never heard from the owners but do know that the AC's ran for nearly 2 weeks 24/7 according to a neighbor. So the the cheap landlords did not walk away as fat as they though they would. Still cost me 28K baht. I figure they will lose half cleaning and paying off bills.

they wouldnt have lost anything ,its YOUR own 28k they would have used to pay your oversized aircon bill

and when you moved out two weeks early ,just to do your air con game ,you lost another 2 weeks rent + had to pay a new deposit and rent at your next place ?

then they would have taken another 28k deposit + a month in advance from the next tenant

and could start charging him for remaining 6 months internet connection for the rest of the year

some people here have funny ideas about renting

[Farma]

The Thailand business and legal guide link posted in the pinned topics in this thread http://www.thaivisa....seful-web-site/ is worth reading. Chapter 26?

I think you will find a Thai lawyer is required in all dealings with the court. I strongly believe representing yourself will be out of the question.

Not true, I have dealt with court here before and had no problem representing myself and won...

Fair enough you can stand up in court and present your side of the story most probably with a legal interpretor assisting.

The OP stated he didn't want to use a lawyer and wanted to represent himself. The keys words "no lawyer". That to me says he wants to walk in off the street, file a complaint and do it all on his own without any Thai legal assistance.

Can I ask who filed your papers in the first instance? Unless you're a qualified Thai lawyer i doubt you did.

[BigJohnnyBKK]

The OP stated he didn't want to use a lawyer and wanted to represent himself. The keys words "no lawyer". That to me says he wants to walk in off the street, file a complaint and do it all on his own without any Thai legal assistance.

Can I ask who filed your papers in the first instance? Unless you're a qualified Thai lawyer i doubt you did.

With sufficient language skills, one can do the research and learn the details, but for most of us for practical purposes it's not worth the trouble.

I didn't retain a lawyer for my own Labor Court case and was successful, but there the clerks are actually helpful, paid to work on the side of the plaintiff.

[Soutpeel]

I didn't retain a lawyer for my own Labor Court case and was successful, but there the clerks are actually helpful, paid to work on the side of the plaintiff.

You dont need a lawyer in labour court, if the Dept of labour takes your case, they 'sue" the employer on your behalf

[phl]

Another option is NOT to pay rent but to live out the deposit, Legally she can not lock you out without a court order.

If she does change locks, simple call to police and she will be arrested and up for 250 000baht bail.

Sometimes I wonder, why posters here answer to topics they know absolutely zero about.

A courtorder, ya sure, the local BIB will have you out in 5 minutes! "and she will be arrested and up for 250k bail" Go back to your barstool and impress your friends with your understanding of the Thai legal system.

sometimes i wonder why some posters who do not have a clue ACTUALLY believe they do

local police cannot issue a court order, i suggest you visit ANY local law office and ask them

landlord CANNOT lock you out without court order and police can scare you but can not remove you from the premises, again i suggest you visit law office and have a chat with them, i am sure your thai is fluent

Thirdly, landlord is not allowed to enter rented premises without your renters permission, its called trespassing, some things are taken serious by the police and they do act on immediately

Oh and yes the bail is 250 000 baht for such an offence, again a chat with a law office may open up your eyes and give you some factual information rather than something you heard from someone somewhere. and all over sudden developed DEEP understanding of Thai legal system.

Really some people are much smarter when they keep their mouth shut

.

[phl]

Can I ask how you sign, a new three-year lease, every year

Sure, each year we sign a new lease dated for the next three years out. Standard clause says "this lease cancels any previous agreements" or such (it's in Thai).

Another option is NOT to pay rent but to live out the deposit, Legally she can not lock you out without a court order.

If she does change locks, simple call to police and she will be arrested and up for 250 000baht bail.

....

i do not think by suing you will achieve much but spend more money. there is one trick, little dirty but worked for me each and every time.

by thai law, every landlord must register rental property and pay tax on it.

suggest/question her as to if the property is registered as a rental or should you contact revenue department to notify them.

what it basically means is that if she does not give back the deposit or whatever you will notify revenue dep and she will be liable to pay tax, mind you they wll check back to the length of ownership and demand tax for the entire period.

i know its on the border line of blackmail, but sometimes in thailand, one needs to go down to that level

PS. in the past, every time i had a problem with landlord NOT wanting to refund deposit or to charge for something i did not break, this strategy worked really well.

Very very dangerous suggestions - much more so than simply suggesting something illegal.

No matter what the law is, many landlords would simply have a bunch of thugs break your kneecaps and toss you over the balcony for trying shit like this.

Friend of mine was badly beaten with big sticks, couldn't work for eight months just for getting behind on the rent - or at least that was his story, but it was the landlord's goons anyway.

First rule of thumb for living here IMO is keep a low profile, don't let yourself get into direct confrontations. Whether you're "in the right" or not has little relevance here.

If you're going to get back at someone - and note I am NOT advocating doing anything - do it like the Thais so it can't be traced to you, and ideally even they don't know where it came from.

OF course if one lives in fear of his own shadow, then by all means do that. Been here for over 10 years and yet to have a problem or a threat.

One time landlord did try to come with BIB(his mates). while it looked all official, i simply refused to vacate, asked the 2 BIB to see their court order or warrant, which they failed to produce.

Advised them that it would be best if all of us go to police station at which point, both decided to leave because without court order to vacate, they can not remove you, they can only threaten to a point

[phl]

Another option is NOT to pay rent but to live out the deposit, Legally she can not lock you out without a court order.

If she does change locks, simple call to police and she will be arrested and up for 250 000baht bail.

Another option is NOT to pay rent but to live out the deposit, Legally she can not lock you out without a court order.

If she does change locks, simple call to police and she will be arrested and up for 250 000baht bail.

and how long have you been here we rent places out and I can assure you if my Thai wife whos owner (and has family in police) change the locks and have electricity cut off their would be absolutely no action by police. Your a very funny man we have never had any problem however with any of our tenants but when weve very rarely had one like you after politely explaining the electricity is in my wifes name and water and clauses in contract they see reason. We also tell all new tenants to carefully read contract and inform them we expect them to keep to it 100%. We do however make sure any repairs needed which we are responsible for are done very quickly but also make sure tenants know we dont change lightbulbs and dont sort out minor repairs only major things like air con or shower or cooker not working and such like. If you have a bad landlord just get out you wont win and in the end they wont get decent tenants but if your one of those bad tenants remember you are not in your nice PC country and if you expect help against a Thai from police in time youll learn the hard way. Unless they are being totally unreasonable and even then you probably wont get any help from police. As far as putting some substance in hidden places here you are playing with your life but go ahead if youve decided to leave area for good or youll simply end up one of those idiot forang who think they know law and how things work here.

Really your wife has electricity cut off? and how does she do that? she owns electric company also?

Not paying the rent and bills are 2 very different matters, but no doubt your wife who is no doubt very well connected knows that, as you do not seem to have a clue

[soi41]

Another option is NOT to pay rent but to live out the deposit, Legally she can not lock you out without a court order.

If she does change locks, simple call to police and she will be arrested and up for 250 000baht bail.

Sometimes I wonder, why posters here answer to topics they know absolutely zero about.

A courtorder, ya sure, the local BIB will have you out in 5 minutes! "and she will be arrested and up for 250k bail" Go back to your barstool and impress your friends with your understanding of the Thai legal system.

sometimes i wonder why some posters who do not have a clue ACTUALLY believe they do

local police cannot issue a court order, i suggest you visit ANY local law office and ask them

landlord CANNOT lock you out without court order and police can scare you but can not remove you from the premises, again i suggest you visit law office and have a chat with them, i am sure your thai is fluent

Thirdly, landlord is not allowed to enter rented premises without your renters permission, its called trespassing, some things are taken serious by the police and they do act on immediately

Oh and yes the bail is 250 000 baht for such an offence, again a chat with a law office may open up your eyes and give you some factual information rather than something you heard from someone somewhere. and all over sudden developed DEEP understanding of Thai legal system.

Really some people are much smarter when they keep their mouth shut

.

As for my Thai language skills, I translate for people in courts. As for the understanding of the system, I am married to a lawyer (a real one). So I would say I have a fair understanding of, how things are working within the legal system here. As we all (?) are aware of in Thailand there is a big difference between, what the law says and how it is enforced. I persist in saying, that you don't know what you are talking about. The problem with posters like you, is that some people here will actually believe your BS and act accordingly, which might create problems for them in the future. Joining a pissingcontest with you with you, would be a waste of my time. So i am out.

[wana]

Another option is NOT to pay rent but to live out the deposit, Legally she can not lock you out without a court order.

If she does change locks, simple call to police and she will be arrested and up for 250 000baht bail.

Sometimes I wonder, why posters here answer to topics they know absolutely zero about.

A courtorder, ya sure, the local BIB will have you out in 5 minutes! "and she will be arrested and up for 250k bail" Go back to your barstool and impress your friends with your understanding of the Thai legal system.

sometimes i wonder why some posters who do not have a clue ACTUALLY believe they do

local police cannot issue a court order, i suggest you visit ANY local law office and ask them

landlord CANNOT lock you out without court order and police can scare you but can not remove you from the premises, again i suggest you visit law office and have a chat with them, i am sure your thai is fluent

Thirdly, landlord is not allowed to enter rented premises without your renters permission, its called trespassing, some things are taken serious by the police and they do act on immediately

Oh and yes the bail is 250 000 baht for such an offence, again a chat with a law office may open up your eyes and give you some factual information rather than something you heard from someone somewhere. and all over sudden developed DEEP understanding of Thai legal system.

Really some people are much smarter when they keep their mouth shut

.

he thinks the cops would need a court order to evict a problem farang on request of a thai OWNER ......

are you just arrived in thailand half an hour ago ?

the police ARE the law...Hardly anything ever gets to a court ......

[phl]

Another option is NOT to pay rent but to live out the deposit, Legally she can not lock you out without a court order.

If she does change locks, simple call to police and she will be arrested and up for 250 000baht bail.

Sometimes I wonder, why posters here answer to topics they know absolutely zero about.

A courtorder, ya sure, the local BIB will have you out in 5 minutes! "and she will be arrested and up for 250k bail" Go back to your barstool and impress your friends with your understanding of the Thai legal system.

sometimes i wonder why some posters who do not have a clue ACTUALLY believe they do

local police cannot issue a court order, i suggest you visit ANY local law office and ask them

landlord CANNOT lock you out without court order and police can scare you but can not remove you from the premises, again i suggest you visit law office and have a chat with them, i am sure your thai is fluent

Thirdly, landlord is not allowed to enter rented premises without your renters permission, its called trespassing, some things are taken serious by the police and they do act on immediately

Oh and yes the bail is 250 000 baht for such an offence, again a chat with a law office may open up your eyes and give you some factual information rather than something you heard from someone somewhere. and all over sudden developed DEEP understanding of Thai legal system.

Really some people are much smarter when they keep their mouth shut

.

he thinks the cops would need a court order to evict a problem farang on request of a thai OWNER ......

are you just arrived in thailand half an hour ago ?

the police ARE the law...Hardly anything ever gets to a court ......

yes, just fresh off the boat, only 10.5 years, really just a newbie

[phl]

Another option is NOT to pay rent but to live out the deposit, Legally she can not lock you out without a court order.

If she does change locks, simple call to police and she will be arrested and up for 250 000baht bail.

Sometimes I wonder, why posters here answer to topics they know absolutely zero about.

A courtorder, ya sure, the local BIB will have you out in 5 minutes! "and she will be arrested and up for 250k bail" Go back to your barstool and impress your friends with your understanding of the Thai legal system.

sometimes i wonder why some posters who do not have a clue ACTUALLY believe they do

local police cannot issue a court order, i suggest you visit ANY local law office and ask them

landlord CANNOT lock you out without court order and police can scare you but can not remove you from the premises, again i suggest you visit law office and have a chat with them, i am sure your thai is fluent

Thirdly, landlord is not allowed to enter rented premises without your renters permission, its called trespassing, some things are taken serious by the police and they do act on immediately

Oh and yes the bail is 250 000 baht for such an offence, again a chat with a law office may open up your eyes and give you some factual information rather than something you heard from someone somewhere. and all over sudden developed DEEP understanding of Thai legal system.

Really some people are much smarter when they keep their mouth shut

.

As for my Thai language skills, I translate for people in courts. As for the understanding of the system, I am married to a lawyer (a real one). So I would say I have a fair understanding of, how things are working within the legal system here. As we all (?) are aware of in Thailand there is a big difference between, what the law says and how it is enforced. I persist in saying, that you don't know what you are talking about. The problem with posters like you, is that some people here will actually believe your BS and act accordingly, which might create problems for them in the future. Joining a pissingcontest with you with you, would be a waste of my time. So i am out.

yeah as i thought, fluent in thai and married to a lawyer and a real one at that

[wana]

yes, just fresh off the boat, only 10.5 years, really just a newbie

well,if you were really here for 10 years you would know that 99% of situations are dealt with at police discretion

as a foreigner you have little chance to beat a thai person at this game and even if you win ,it will likely have a cost

if you are incredibly rich/stupid and can afford to blow a few hundred thousand on lawyers you may even be able to start a court case .........which you will then most likely lose

BTW ...even if you manage to win ,its going to take years and costs shitloads and any settlement will not compensate the costs and stress incurred

good luck

[phl]

yes, just fresh off the boat, only 10.5 years, really just a newbie

well,if you were really here for 10 years you would know that 99% of situations are dealt with at police discretion

as a foreigner you have little chance to beat a thai person at this game and even if you win ,it will likely have a cost

if you are incredibly rich/stupid and can afford to blow a few hundred thousand on lawyers you may even be able to start a court case .........which you will then most likely lose

BTW ...even if you manage to win ,its going to take years and costs shitloads and any settlement will not compensate the costs and stress incurred

good luck

who is talking about going to court? i am only posting my experience in my only 10 years.

I have had troubles with landlords twice, once in BKK and once in Pattaya

BKK a simple question of "tax revenue" as posted earlier solved the problem

The second one in Pattaya, as i stated before, landlord did try to use BIB but miserably failed

Like it or do not like it, take it or leave it, "up to you" i hear its a saying used in Thailand, i am still a newbie, so still learning

[wana]

yes, just fresh off the boat, only 10.5 years, really just a newbie

well,if you were really here for 10 years you would know that 99% of situations are dealt with at police discretion

as a foreigner you have little chance to beat a thai person at this game and even if you win ,it will likely have a cost

if you are incredibly rich/stupid and can afford to blow a few hundred thousand on lawyers you may even be able to start a court case .........which you will then most likely lose

BTW ...even if you manage to win ,its going to take years and costs shitloads and any settlement will not compensate the costs and stress incurred

good luck

who is talking about going to court?

perhaps read the title of the thread before endowing us with your wisdom ........

the op wants to sue his landlord ........usually such things as sueing people happen in

a. coffee shops

b. beer bars

c. court

but wait ,youve been here so long u know better ,sorry i forgot

[supaprik]

There is a difference between a rented flat and a hotel or a service appartment. The price is one of them.

You have a problem, you fix it. Now is the problem preexisting or normal wear and tear ? So you join the bill to your next rental payment and you deduct the cost from the payment. Is it something you damaged ? You have to pay for it.

Your landlord is not Super Mario, he can't fix instantly whatever is broken in your flat. He doesn't operate an hotel so he doesn't have a team of repair mens to fix instantly whatever is broken.

You want a five stars service ? Book a five stars hotel !

Rubbish....If you rent ANY regardless of "how many stars" property it is the SOLE responsibility of the owner for ANY and ALL repairs/maintainence, if he hasn't got repairmen then stiff shit go find some....NOW..

[phl]

yes, just fresh off the boat, only 10.5 years, really just a newbie

well,if you were really here for 10 years you would know that 99% of situations are dealt with at police discretion

as a foreigner you have little chance to beat a thai person at this game and even if you win ,it will likely have a cost

if you are incredibly rich/stupid and can afford to blow a few hundred thousand on lawyers you may even be able to start a court case .........which you will then most likely lose

BTW ...even if you manage to win ,its going to take years and costs shitloads and any settlement will not compensate the costs and stress incurred

good luck

who is talking about going to court?

perhaps read the title of the thread before endowing us with your wisdom ........

the op wants to sue his landlord ........usually such things as sueing people happen in

a. coffee shops

b. beer bars

c. court

but wait ,youve been here so long u know better ,sorry i forgot

oh but wait, read again what OP wrote and followed up with and while the initial question what about suing, he/she was rather interested in what he/she can do.

Do kindly show me where i said going to court? or advised for it?

One of my suggestions was to stop paying rent and live out the deposit.

Was i not clear enough? or did you just fail to read? or simply looking for have a useless debate?

[wana]

yes, just fresh off the boat, only 10.5 years, really just a newbie

well,if you were really here for 10 years you would know that 99% of situations are dealt with at police discretion

as a foreigner you have little chance to beat a thai person at this game and even if you win ,it will likely have a cost

if you are incredibly rich/stupid and can afford to blow a few hundred thousand on lawyers you may even be able to start a court case .........which you will then most likely lose

BTW ...even if you manage to win ,its going to take years and costs shitloads and any settlement will not compensate the costs and stress incurred

good luck

who is talking about going to court?

perhaps read the title of the thread before endowing us with your wisdom ........

the op wants to sue his landlord ........usually such things as sueing people happen in

a. coffee shops

b. beer bars

c. court

but wait ,youve been here so long u know better ,sorry i forgot

oh but wait, read again what OP wrote and followed up with and while the initial question what about suing, he/she was rather interested in what he/she can do.

Do kindly show me where i said going to court? or advised for it?

One of my suggestions was to stop paying rent and live out the deposit.

Was i not clear enough? or did you just fail to read? or simply looking for have a useless debate?

no,youve been here longer ,know your "rights" ,and have a deeper understanding of what landords can and cant do ,etc etc etc

you really think hes going to be allowed to "live it out" and a landlord isnt going to notice not paying rent for 3 MONTHS ?

he will be turfed out within about 3 days and most contracts state that rent may not be paid late or the lease is cancelled

and the leasee will be removed

thats the reality of the situation ,it can get very messy

[phl]

no,youve been here longer ,know your "rights" ,and have a deeper understanding of what landords can and cant do ,etc etc etc

you really think hes going to be allowed to "live it out" and a landlord isnt going to notice not paying rent for 3 MONTHS ?

he will be turfed out within about 3 days and most contracts state that rent may not be paid late or the lease is cancelled

and the leasee will be removed

thats the reality of the situation ,it can get very messy

again for the last time, landlord has no right to throw out a tenant WITHOUT a court order, NOT police order but COURT ORDER especially when there is a deposit.

Yes landlord CAN change the locks, HOWEVER it is against the law and when police are called, they MUST arrest the landlord for trespassing.

Naturally, they may be "nicer" and NOT arrest the landlord, however will make landlord remove the locks, YES if they been paid by the landlord or "like" landlord, they may try to scare the renter, HOWEVER, They have no right nor authority to remove renter from the premises WITHOUT a court order,

especially if the tenant/renter is NOT aggressive.

Yes BIB is corrupt and in many instances do whatever they like, HOWEVER is not the case when it comes to civil matters, especially such as matter at hand, because not only they have nothing to gain, but may also end up in court with clear evidence of violation.

Just like when one has an accident but the car is insured, BIB does not get involved

Sadly though, i do not think the now thorough explanation will satisfy you,though i do hope you do not go in same circles over and over again

[wana]

no,youve been here longer ,know your "rights" ,and have a deeper understanding of what landords can and cant do ,etc etc etc

you really think hes going to be allowed to "live it out" and a landlord isnt going to notice not paying rent for 3 MONTHS ?

he will be turfed out within about 3 days and most contracts state that rent may not be paid late or the lease is cancelled

and the leasee will be removed

thats the reality of the situation ,it can get very messy

again for the last time, landlord has no right to throw out a tenant WITHOUT a court order, NOT police order but COURT ORDER especially when there is a deposit.

Yes landlord CAN change the locks, HOWEVER it is against the law and when police are called, they MUST arrest the landlord for trespassing.

Naturally, they may be "nicer" and NOT arrest the landlord, however will make landlord remove the locks, YES if they been paid by the landlord or "like" landlord, they may try to scare the renter, HOWEVER, They have no right nor authority to remove renter from the premises WITHOUT a court order,

especially if the tenant/renter is NOT aggressive.

Yes BIB is corrupt and in many instances do whatever they like, HOWEVER is not the case when it comes to civil matters, especially such as matter at hand, because not only they have nothing to gain, but may also end up in court with clear evidence of violation.

Just like when one has an accident but the car is insured, BIB does not get involved

Sadly though, i do not think the now thorough explanation will satisfy you,though i do hope you do not go in same circles over and over again

I HAVE NO DESIRE TO GO AROUND IN CIRCLES ,I was simply trying to explain that the police and the landlord

will do whatever the hell they like and you as a farang tenant cant do a thing about it ,whos to say the police have nothing to gain ? IME the police gets a backhander from almost everything they do ,whether its in their job description or not

i am not replying to this thread again because the talk of court orders and landlords being thown in jail is just laughable and would never ever be allowed to happen somewhere as corrupt as thailand

[BigJohnnyBKK]

I didn't retain a lawyer for my own Labor Court case and was successful, but there the clerks are actually helpful, paid to work on the side of the plaintiff.

You dont need a lawyer in labour court, if the Dept of labour takes your case, they 'sue" the employer on your behalf

That's not how it worked for me, the clerks in the outside/ground floor office just did paperwork and advised, I was the plaintiff directly but had a local along to help with translation issues, had four sessions over a year where the judges tried to get them to budge, they finally settled for 80% of my claim under pressure from the judge, but it did take a year.

[Kilgore Trout]

If you don't get your deposit back, remember palaa can be spread in the most difficult places to clean/hide

great advice to give in a country with not much laws .........

if someone did that in one of my properties he would fall off the balcony and the police would quickly decide it was an accident

So you're saying you would commit murder?

Not only are you breaking Thaivisa rules but you are a poor excuse for a human being.

Big talk for what seems to me a "little" man, and I mean that in more than one way.