Exend Non O Immigrant Visa (Guardian Visa)

[jeancherry]

Hello

i have a non 0 immigrant visa (via Ventiane Ambassie)

I am not married but I have a 3 months kid.

How can i extend this visa for one year?

I have heard about 400 000, 500 000, 800 000 bath in bank...

I have heard you can apply for 1 year at immigration office with your kids and thai ladie.

I have heard a lot of things...

Could tell me something about this.

If i can not show 400 000 or 800 000 bath in bank, what can i do to extend this visa, visa run every 3 months?

Thanks a lot!

[Mario2008]

You would need to become the legal father, for which you have to petition the court, in order to get a 1 year extension of stay. In addition you would need to show 400,000 baht in a bank account in Thailand for 2 months or an income of 40,000 a month.

The process to become the legal fahter will take a few months.

Untill then, you can get a ne 3 month non-O visa. Perhaps even a multiple non-O in Savanakhet, with paperwork from the mother also.

[ubonjoe]

Are you shown on the childs birth certificate as the father? Were you involved in getting the birth certificate such as signing the application, this is important in some cases.

Dependent on the immigration office you use you can get an extension with just the birth certificate.

[jeancherry]

"Are you shown on the childs birth certificate as the father? "

Yes! and the child have my name on this

"Were you involved in getting the birth certificate such as signing the application, this is important in some cases."

Also yes

"Dependent on the immigration office you use you can get an extension with just the birth certificate."

So i will ask my immigration office!

Thanks for your answer!

[Mario2008]

You can get a 60 day extension only. After that you will have to leave the country, or show evidence to immigration that you are the legal father of the child. The birth certificate is not enough for that.

The 60 days might be enough to become the legal fahter, depending on which court you have to send the petition to.

[ubonjoe]

Unless I am completely out of date some immigration offices (including Bangkok) were accepting just a birth certificate in accordance with the following clause from police order 305/2551. I recall that Pattaya and Chaingmai were wanting the legitimization document.

2.18 In the case of being a family

member of a Thai national

(applicable only to parents, spouse,

children, adopted children, or

spouse’s children):

Each permission shall be granted

for no more than one year.

1. Application form

2. Copy of applicant’s passport

3. Copy of documents proving relationship, such as a marriage certificate, a birth certificate,

registration of child legitimization, household registration certificate, child adoption registration

certificate, or other evidence from the government or relevant agency

4. Copy of evidence proving the Thai nationality of the spouse, parents, children, or adopted

children, such as a national ID card, copy of household registration certificate, or other evidence

issued by the government or relevant agency

[Mario2008]

The Thai Foreign Ministry has put out a notice to the Thai consulates to get stricter and not to accept a Thai birth certificate only anymore.

Likewise immigraiton has stepped up it's requirements and is unlikely to issue other than a 60 day extension with only a birth certificate. As you quote yourself:

registration of child legitimization

is a requirement, and they check for this. Now they even sometimes insist people go to court and get a court paper, while people have legitimized the children at the amphur.

[ubonjoe]

The Thai Foreign Ministry has put out a notice to the Thai consulates to get stricter and not to accept a Thai birth certificate only anymore.

Likewise immigraiton has stepped up it's requirements and is unlikely to issue other than a 60 day extension with only a birth certificate. As you quote yourself:

registration of child legitimization

is a requirement, and they check for this. Now they even sometimes insist people go to court and get a court paper, while people have legitimized the children at the amphur.

At one time the key point concerning the birth certificate was the father was involved with getting the birth certificate at the Amphoe. I would still suggest he try for an extension at immigration.

The clause quoted is all or, or, or not and, and. and.

It's a sad state of affairs when the MFA and immigration do trust a document issued by the Amphoe (or Khet) which is part of the same ministry (interior) as immigration.

[lopburi3]

Immigration no longer even trusts Thai marriage certificates and may require both Embassy/mfa letter of marriage eligibility and District Office registration entry of marriage copy (new one each year).

[ubonjoe]

Immigration no longer even trusts Thai marriage certificates and may require both Embassy/mfa letter of marriage eligibility and District Office registration entry of marriage copy (new one each year).

I wonder if getting the registration document like they want at some offices for marriage would help. That is proof that its not a forged document. I wonder if anybody has tried to use a DNA test along with birth certificate to prove parenthood to immigration.

[Mario2008]

I suspect that immigration will simply answer that they want to see a court document, proving you are the legal fahter and tell you to use it in your court case. (for which no DNA might be needed in the first place).

Beter to realy become the legal father and have parental rights.

[navara]

I know how you must feel.

This is what I heared:

- indeed you can have 60 days for family matters ( bring your wife ) at the district office

- with 100k on your Thai bank, you can have 1 year extension O at any Thai Embassy or 2x60 Tourist days with no financial proof

- with zero bath you can fly back to your country of origin and have a 1 year O what you can extend with 1x 90 plus ( do the visa run before the visa expire ) the 60 as I wrote above

do not try to stay and pay 20k at the airport ( I had it once myself ) because now a days they put you in jail.

Other option is: find a job and demand a visa and a workpermit ( I question what is more difficult, find a job or save 400k )

I am in the same position, no cash, visa is done, does not want to fly back for a stamp.

chok dee!

[ubonjoe]

I know how you must feel.

This is what I heared:

- indeed you can have 60 days for family matters ( bring your wife ) at the district office

- with 100k on your Thai bank, you can have 1 year extension O at any Thai Embassy or 2x60 Tourist days with no financial proof

- with zero bath you can fly back to your country of origin and have a 1 year O what you can extend with 1x 90 plus ( do the visa run before the visa expire ) the 60 as I wrote above

do not try to stay and pay 20k at the airport ( I had it once myself ) because now a days they put you in jail.

Other option is: find a job and demand a visa and a workpermit ( I question what is more difficult, find a job or save 400k )

I am in the same position, no cash, visa is done, does not want to fly back for a stamp.

chok dee!

You can get a single entry non-o at about any nearby consulate without a problem and then get the 60 day extension immigration. Or you can start out with 60 day extension from any visa type and then go for a non-o.

If married to a Thai you can go to Savannakhet Laos and get a multiple entry non-o with no proof of money.

[MrMo]

Having obtained a 12 month extension in 2010 through the Korat Immigation for caring for a child and then in 2012 "renewing" for a further 12 months perhaps give you some guidance on what is needed to take that route.

Previously, I had a retirement visa but had miscounted the months and was in danger of not having sufficient funds in for three months. I took the Caring for a Child option as the Immigration Officer advised that then I'd only need to have 400,000 in for two months. (In fact, if you read the Police Order carefully - available on ThaiVisa, the two months applies for marriage, for child care there is NO time requirement.)

What I needed to do was get together:

• The child’s birth certificate with my name as father.
  
• Bank letter and bank statement/passbook showing 400,000.
  
• Three photographs of myself with my son at the home (note that these do NOT get returned to you)
  
• A letter from the Ampur office stating that I am looking after the child. The Ampur will need two witnesses other than the mother. Our Ampur needed the mother present as well but could not explain how they would handle the situation if the mother was not available (e.g. deceased). Also note that the Immigration Officer kept referring to this letter as a "letter from a lawyer" which took some effort to sort out what it was they actually wanted.
  
• Then there was the regular stuff of photocopies of the house-book, my passport, etc.
  

It was NOT necessary for the mother and child to go to the Immigration office (or at least not at Korat Immig.).

An additional problem with the Caring for a Child route is that the local Immigration Office has to send the extension application off to Bangkok for approval EVERY year which is not the case for "renewing" Marriage and Retirement extensions. This then necessitates a trip to submit the application at which you automatically get a one month extension to cover the Bangkok approval period and then a second trip at the end of that one month to get the following eleven months.

Good luck whichever way you go.

[Mario2008]

If the mother would be deseased you would need documents tetsitying to that.

All extensions based on being a family member of a Thai national (child or spouse) go through the comitee for approval and require coming back in 30 days, apperently currently 60 days.

You are correct about not having to season the money for an extension based on having a child with Thai nationality, were based on having a Thai wife one would.

[RedCardinal]

MrMo how old was your son when you did this?

[MrMo]

My son was seven years old when I first applied for an extension based on Guardianship. I had been on retirement extensions since shortly before he was born.

According to Korat Immig., Guardian extension applications are rare. They reckon to process just about ten a year as against thousands and thousands of Marriage and Retirement extensions.

I note an error in the first line of my initial response. It should read "and then in 2011 "renewing" for a further 12 months" - not 2012.

[lopburi3]

Seven year old is a key factor as to what is required from my understandinf as child's word can be accepted at that age but below court order is normally required.

[johnlandy]

Immigration no longer even trusts Thai marriage certificates and may require both Embassy/mfa letter of marriage eligibility and District Office registration entry of marriage copy (new one each year).

We are only here under sufferance so you gotta do the circus act (jumping thru their hoops)

[MrMo]

At no time was the child present at any point in either the initial application process or at the "renewal", This includes the visits to the Ampur office. His consent has never asked for.

At the time of the initially discussion on what I needed to get together to make such an application, no mention was made of his age or need for his approval.

The real point here is ThaiVisa gives a guide as to what may or may not be possible in Thailand.

If you really want to know, put on your best clothes and your best manners and go ask Immigration. Then as, johnlandy puts it, you'll have some idea of how many hoops there are, what colour they are, what size they are and how high they are.

[Mario2008]

Your experience is totally different from what people in places like Bangkok and Phuket go through. It seems your immigraiton office is very friendly, but I would advise you to alway apply a few weeks in advance just in case they tighten their requirements.

[MrMo]

But not friendly enough to let us do 90-day reporting by post ! But then, that's a different thread.

[ubonjoe]

I suspect that immigration will simply answer that they want to see a court document, proving you are the legal fahter and tell you to use it in your court case. (for which no DNA might be needed in the first place).

Beter to realy become the legal father and have parental rights.

The court documents and etc. is for custody of the child I believe. Legalization would be done at the Amphoe. I think if you had to do the legalization route a DNA might be useful in that case.

MrMo's post is an example of the differences between immigration offices. Even for marriage extensions some are very unfriendly for those.

I need to make my 90 day report (wife normally does most of them but I have some other questions for them so will make the trip with my Mia) next week in Phibun so while I am there I will ask them what they require. I suspect that it will be same as MrMo's since they are under the immigration region office in Korat and that is where my extensions are given the final approval.

[ubonjoe]

But not friendly enough to let us do 90-day reporting by post ! But then, that's a different thread.

I think it might depend on where you live. If you live far away from Korat then they should allow you to do it by mail. I live about 70K from Phibun which might qualify me for mail but we made the choice of going in every 90 days just to make an appearance so they know that we are still together. Another factor is that it is a 30K drive to the post office to mail the report.

[mayito7777]

Agree.

[dighambara]

Immigration no longer even trusts Thai marriage certificates and may require both Embassy/mfa letter of marriage eligibility and District Office registration entry of marriage copy (new one each year).

We are only here under sufferance so you gotta do the circus act (jumping thru their hoops)

I suspect that immigration will simply answer that they want to see a court document, proving you are the legal fahter and tell you to use it in your court case. (for which no DNA might be needed in the first place).

Beter to realy become the legal father and have parental rights.

The court documents and etc. is for custody of the child I believe. Legalization would be done at the Amphoe. I think if you had to do the legalization route a DNA might be useful in that case.

MrMo's post is an example of the differences between immigration offices. Even for marriage extensions some are very unfriendly for those.

I need to make my 90 day report (wife normally does most of them but I have some other questions for them so will make the trip with my Mia) next week in Phibun so while I am there I will ask them what they require. I suspect that it will be same as MrMo's since they are under the immigration region office in Korat and that is where my extensions are given the final approval.

Yes, we are here under their sufferance, but that doesn't make it either right or fair. Long term visa holders are predominently male, as foreign wives of Thai and receive a Resudent Permit upon request. Us Guys typically have a Thai bank income in excess of 40,000 Baht (not bath) per month, which is much more income than all tourists combined. (40,000 X 12 X 3 million) As a group, we are roughly equivalent to 36 Million Tourists.

The Udon Immigration office is flexible, but I must appear in person for my 90 check in - my wife would not be allowed to do it for me, unless I was incapacitated.

One friend brought his Mother here from the US and she was in the local Catholic 'home'. He was allowed to do all her paperwork.

Here we have come full circle - every office (& Officer) has a different reading of the rules. BTDT many times - sent out to get a document (bank statement, physical, etc.) only to have the next officer say it was unnecessary and give me back the papers Ihad been sent to get.