Red Shirts Call For Justice

[Moruya]

Victims of 2010 political violence to receive financial compensations tomorrow

BANGKOK, 23 May 2012 (NNT) – Deputy Prime Minister and Interior Minister Yongyuth Wichaidit, who chairs a government panel to monitor recommendations by the Truth for Reconciliation Commission (TRC) said representatives of the 500 victims in the political violence in 2010 will be financially compensated tomorrow at the Government House.

The Interior Minister said he was not aware that there had been a problem with the compilation of names of relatives of those killed in the political violence. He added that the Ministry of Social Development and Human Security has already finalized the names of those eligible for the financial aid and presented the list to him.

Mr. Yongyuth said later that Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra will be chairing the ceremony, in which the money will be given to families of the victims, tomorrow. He said, however, that those who have been previously unaccounted for or were late on their compensation application will later be assisted.

-- NNT 2012-05-23

More than 10,000 people have applied for compensation in the south!!!!

[rubl]

Thailand Live 24th May #37

Posted 10 minutes ago

PM to skip compensation hand-out ceremony

The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Prime Minister Yingluck on Thursday cited a conflicting engagement in Chiang Mai as reason not to chair this afternoon's ceremony to hand out compensation for red-shirt victims of the 2010 political violence.

Yingluck designated Deputy Prime Minister Yongyuth Wichaidit to preside over the ceremony on her behalf at Government House.

Her last-minute decision to skip the ceremony happened after Democrat MP Sathit Pitutecha threatened to petition for a graft probe on Yingluck's involvement in the compensation payments.

-- The Nation 2012-05-24

[citizen33]

And what of the real points at issue - the incoherent analysis of the position of the red shirts that gets peddled on the forum? Mr Rubi seems curiously evasive. Perhaps he needs access to some high-level gossip!

What interests me though is how this fits with the narrative that we’ve heard ad infinitum from the usual TV suspects : i.e. the red shirts only vote/protest because they are paid to do so; after the coup things would settle down quickly because the rural god fathers would tell their constituents to bow to the new pay masters; the role of ideology was negligible; the ‘genie out of the bottle’ argument had no substance; and it has always been ‘just about Thaksin’.

Do the more honest of the Thaksin haters believe that now? Is the boss really paying people to attend a rally that threatens the tradeoff that would suit him so well?

The first settlement seems to have taken place late September / early October 2011 with k. Thaksin getting back some money and grenade attacks on ordinary citizens stopped. As for 'high-level Thai circle gossip' I'm not into those circles, not as you might be that is

Whereas k. Abhisit has stated many times to be here and ready to be judged, k. Thaksin is pure and innocent and all for amnesty. Even Dept. PM Pol. Captain Chalerm is for reconciliation, amnesty, except for k. Abhisit and k. Suthep of course.

The more honest Thaksin haters have seen confirmation in k. Thaksin's phone-in last Saturday. Of course those in the know are not swayed, neither those in the 'higher-level Thai gossip circles'. The verdict may be somewhat cynical "thank you, please go home now, I no longer need you" and don't let the door hit your a__ on the way out

[Buchholz]

PM to skip compensation hand-out ceremony

Prime Minister Yingluck on Thursday cited a conflicting engagement in Chiang Mai as reason not to chair this afternoon's ceremony to hand out compensation for red-shirt victims of the 2010 political violence.

sheesh.... runs away yet again. Chalk up another no-show.

Her last-minute decision to skip the ceremony happened after Democrat MP Sathit Pitutecha threatened to petition for a graft probe on Yingluck's involvement in the compensation payments.

Ironic that Thaksin's Thai Rak Thai former Deputy Prime Minister shares the same concerns that a Democrat MP has.

Wonder if the fluctuating amounts reported has anything to do with her absence.

So anyway, it's off to Chiang Mai. Will she be riding her high-speed train there?

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Edited May 24, 2012 by Buchholz

[rubl]

Prime Minister Yingluck on Thursday cited a conflicting engagement in Chiang Mai as reason not to chair this afternoon's ceremony to hand out compensation for red-shirt victims of the 2010 political violence.

Well, the lady really works for it, giving taxpayers value for their money.

Thai Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra will officially visit Australia May 26-29 to strengthen bilateral relations in the fields of trade, investment and educational development.

[jayboy]

Prime Minister Yingluck on Thursday cited a conflicting engagement in Chiang Mai as reason not to chair this afternoon's ceremony to hand out compensation for red-shirt victims of the 2010 political violence.

Well, the lady really works for it, giving taxpayers value for their money.

Thai Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra will officially visit Australia May 26-29 to strengthen bilateral relations in the fields of trade, investment and educational development.

I would have thought this was excellent use of the PM's time.Why the sarcasm?

[rixalex]

Anybody who has heard the gossip in higher-level Thai circles will have a strong suspicion that elements of a settlement between rival sections of the elite were in place soon after the election.

What daft pomposity to suggest that only "higher-level Thai circles" are privy to such supposed insider knowledge.

[Buchholz]

PM to skip compensation hand-out ceremony

Prime Minister Yingluck on Thursday cited a conflicting engagement in Chiang Mai as reason not to chair this afternoon's ceremony to hand out compensation for red-shirt victims of the 2010 political violence.

sheesh.... runs away yet again. Chalk up another no-show.

Reason given now for breaking her schedule and instead skipping the 3:30pm payment ceremony is in order for her to visit a conservation project in Chiang Mai.

Before flying off from Bangkok, she refused to comment..... on the potential submission of a case with the National Anti-Corruption Commission over the impropriety of these payments involving the use of the public's tax money without passing a law to validate whether it's legal.

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Edited May 24, 2012 by Buchholz

[citizen33]

Oh dear, the ad hominem quips come easily, but this poster seems unable to offer an explanation when the vacuous dribble he has been parroting on the forum is shown to be just that.

Anybody who has heard the gossip in higher-level Thai circles will have a strong suspicion that elements of a settlement between rival sections of the elite were in place soon after the election.

What daft pomposity to suggest that only "higher-level Thai circles" are privy to such supposed insider knowledge.

[rixalex]

Oh dear, the ad hominem quips come easily, but this poster seems unable to offer an explanation when the vacuous dribble he has been parroting on the forum is shown to be just that.

Your post raised a number of points. I responded to one of them. Appreciate it may have not been the main one, or the one you desired responses from, but since you did write it, you should have prepared yourself for it to be questioned, and not throw a hissy fit when it was.

By the way, in case this escaped your attention, accusing people of vacuous dribble and parroting is a perfect example of the ad hominem quips you complain about.

[ballpoint]

Redshirts call for justice? What next? Inmates call for sanity? Extremists call for moderation?

[philw]

Prime Minister Yingluck on Thursday cited a conflicting engagement in Chiang Mai as reason not to chair this afternoon's ceremony to hand out compensation for red-shirt victims of the 2010 political violence.

Well, the lady really works for it, giving taxpayers value for their money.

Thai Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra will officially visit Australia May 26-29 to strengthen bilateral relations in the fields of trade, investment and educational development.

I would have thought this was excellent use of the PM's time.Why the sarcasm?

No reason, they just can't help it..........

Sad really.

[GentlemanJim]

Prime Minister Yingluck on Thursday cited a conflicting engagement in Chiang Mai as reason not to chair this afternoon's ceremony to hand out compensation for red-shirt victims of the 2010 political violence.

Well, the lady really works for it, giving taxpayers value for their money.

Thai Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra will officially visit Australia May 26-29 to strengthen bilateral relations in the fields of trade, investment and educational development.

Well I wonder what is coming up May 26-29th that is really important and should have the PM there? Now let me think ..............?

[GentlemanJim]

So what happened today at the compensation ceremony? Does anyone know? I haven't seen anything on the news yet and thought something may have been posted here. So far nothing. I expected trouble.

[hyperdimension]

So what happened today at the compensation ceremony? Does anyone know? I haven't seen anything on the news yet and thought something may have been posted here. So far nothing. I expected trouble.

The Bangkok Post reports mixed feelings, and particular opposition to the condition of dropping law suits in order to receive compensation. Edited May 24, 2012 by hyperdimension

[gand]

So what happened today at the compensation ceremony? Does anyone know? I haven't seen anything on the news yet and thought something may have been posted here. So far nothing. I expected trouble.

The Bangkok Post reports mixed feelings, and particular opposition to the condition of dropping law suits in order to receive compensation.

They can still file a lawsuit against Thaksin?

[gand]

Why should the 'red shirts' get justice? When nobody else does?

[siampolee]

Thaksin and his Red Shirts will get the best justice money can buy if the current maladministration has its way.

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[SomTumTiger]

Prime Minister Yingluck on Thursday cited a conflicting engagement in Chiang Mai as reason not to chair this afternoon's ceremony to hand out compensation for red-shirt victims of the 2010 political violence.

Well, the lady really works for it, giving taxpayers value for their money.

Thai Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra will officially visit Australia May 26-29 to strengthen bilateral relations in the fields of trade, investment and educational development.

I would have thought this was excellent use of the PM's time.Why the sarcasm?

No reason, they just can't help it..........

Sad really.

"They" as opposed to...broad brush strokes Phil.

[Buchholz]

PM to skip compensation hand-out ceremony

Prime Minister Yingluck on Thursday cited a conflicting engagement in Chiang Mai as reason not to chair this afternoon's ceremony to hand out compensation for red-shirt victims of the 2010 political violence.

sheesh.... runs away yet again. Chalk up another no-show.

Reason given now for breaking her schedule and instead skipping the 3:30pm payment ceremony is in order for her to visit a conservation project in Chiang Mai.

Before flying off from Bangkok, she refused to comment..... on the potential submission of a case with the National Anti-Corruption Commission over the impropriety of these payments involving the use of the public's tax money without passing a law to validate whether it's legal.

Yingluck explains absence

Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra said she did not attend the ceremony held yesterday to present compensation to victims of political unrest, because she was tending to business outside Bangkok, and not because she was trying to avoid legal responsibility that comes with the payment as widely speculated.

Instead, Deputy Prime Minister and Interior Minister Yongyuth Wichaidit presided over the ceremony, which was held at 3.30pm and broadcast live on Channel 11.

Earlier, Democrat MP for Rayong Sathit Pitutecha threatened to file a complaint with the National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) because he said the compensation was an illegitimate expenditure of taxpayer's money.

A Government House source had earlier said that Yingluck wanted to attend the ceremony but was advised not to because it was still unclear if the payments were lawful, and since the initial compensation was only partial, recipients could be upset and possibly vent their anger at the event.

Democrat Party leader Abhisit Vejjajiva said his government had already paid some compensation to victims of political unrest, adding that he did not know all the details about this additional payment yet. He said there was confusion because only half of the 1,000 people who had registered were deemed eligible and nobody was sure how much they would get.

He added that it would be appropriate to follow the Truth for Reconciliation Commission of Thailand's recommendation of paying affected families on a monthly basis instead of giving them a large chunk.

-- The Nation 2012-05-25

Edited May 24, 2012 by Buchholz

[Buchholz]

The article in Post 49 was expanded as below. It now stands in contrast to the news from the other paper that is contained in Post 48, and the amounts are in stark contrast to what the government had earlier promised the Red Shirts, spiraling down from 7.7 Million Baht to 400,000 baht...

Government to pay compensation for political victims Thursday

(continued)

Despite news reports that the surviving members would receive Bt7 million per dead victim, the actual payments will be much less than expected.

Although the Social Development and Human Security Ministry has not explained the gap between the expected and actual payments, many attributed the payment gap to budgetary constraints.

The authorities said for tomorrow's payments, the surviving family will receive Bt400,000 per victim killed.

This morning's other paper is still reporting that payments of 7.7 Million Baht will be presented to some of the families during the ceremony with Yingluck scheduled for this afternoon.

It'll be Interesting to see what's what when that occurs.

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A different source with still another different amount reported...

PM's Office Permanent Secretary Thongthong Chandrangsu as Chairman of the TRC subcommittee on deciding remedies for political protest victims announced that 522 victims will be compensated Thursday.

Mr Thongthong earlier said compensation would focus on the public, government officials or media members who died, were disabled or otherwise injured during the political incidents between late 2005 and May 2005 and May 2010.

He said those who were killed or disabled in a string of violent protests would receive Bt3 million each which would be given to their surviving spouses or parents.

MCOT

http://www.mcot.net/...age/367615.html

Seems now the amounts have been sorted:

Types of compensation

Killed at the scene: Bt7.75 million

Succumbed to injuries: Bt7.95 million

Disabled: Bt7.9 million

Loss of important organ: Bt4 million

Loss of unimportant organ: Bt1.95 million

Serious injury: Bt1.175 million

Not serious injury: Bt695,000

Slight injury: Bt235,000

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Govt-compensation-met-with-anger-sadness-30182791.html

[Buchholz]

So what happened today at the compensation ceremony? Does anyone know? I haven't seen anything on the news yet and thought something may have been posted here. So far nothing. I expected trouble.

The Bangkok Post reports mixed feelings, and particular opposition to the condition of dropping law suits in order to receive compensation.

Phayao Akkahad, mother of Kamolkate, the volunteer nurse who was fatally shot at Wat Pathumwannaram on May 19, 2010, initially refused to accept the payment yesterday morning, saying the contract did not allow those affected to take the case to court after they have taken the money.

However, Deputy Prime Minister Yongyuth Wichaidit managed to calm her down, saying that she was only signing a document recording her receipt of Bt7.75 million in compensation and that she could go ahead with criminal proceedings and that he would also help her with it.

"I talked to her and she agreed to accept the payment and not take this government to court," Yongyuth said.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Govt-compensation-met-with-anger-sadness-30182791.html#

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[Buchholz]

PM to skip compensation hand-out ceremony

Prime Minister Yingluck on Thursday cited a conflicting engagement in Chiang Mai as reason not to chair this afternoon's ceremony to hand out compensation for red-shirt victims of the 2010 political violence.

sheesh.... runs away yet again. Chalk up another no-show.

Reason given now for breaking her schedule and instead skipping the 3:30pm payment ceremony is in order for her to visit a conservation project in Chiang Mai.

The ceremony, held yesterday at Government House, was presided over by Yongyuth on behalf of Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra, who had to attend to urgent business in Chiang Mai.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Govt-compensation-met-with-anger-sadness-30182791.html#

"urgent business"

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[OzMick]

If this payment does turn out to be illegal, does she really think not being there to hand out the checks absolves her?

[phiphidon]

Phayao Akkahad, mother of Kamolkate, the volunteer nurse who was fatally shot at Wat Pathumwannaram on May 19, 2010, initially refused to accept the payment yesterday morning, saying the contract did not allow those affected to take the case to court after they have taken the money.

However, Deputy Prime Minister Yongyuth Wichaidit managed to calm her down, saying that she was only signing a document recording her receipt of Bt7.75 million in compensation and that she could go ahead with criminal proceedings and that he would also help her with it.

"I talked to her and she agreed to accept the payment and not take this government to court," Yongyuth said.

http://www.nationmul...-30182791.html#

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Quality reporting by The Nation (again )

Phayao Akkahad, mother of Kamolkate, the volunteer nurse who was fatally shot at Wat Pathumwannaram on May 19, 2010, initially refused to accept the payment yesterday morning, saying the contract did not allow those affected to take the case to court after they have taken the money.

However, Deputy Prime Minister Yongyuth Wichaidit managed to calm her down, saying that she was only signing a document recording her receipt of Bt7.75 million in compensation and that she could go ahead with criminal proceedings and that he would also help her with it.

"I talked to her and she agreed to accept the payment and not take this government to court," Yongyuth said.

3 Options of what really happened in order (my opinion);

1. Poor reporting from The Nation.

2. She is not going to take this (PTP) government to court but the incumbents of the other (Democrat Party Coalition Party) government, presumably in a Civil Court Action.

3. Yongyuth actually said one thing and then said the opposite.

[billd766]

Phayao Akkahad, mother of Kamolkate, the volunteer nurse who was fatally shot at Wat Pathumwannaram on May 19, 2010, initially refused to accept the payment yesterday morning, saying the contract did not allow those affected to take the case to court after they have taken the money.

However, Deputy Prime Minister Yongyuth Wichaidit managed to calm her down, saying that she was only signing a document recording her receipt of Bt7.75 million in compensation and that she could go ahead with criminal proceedings and that he would also help her with it.

"I talked to her and she agreed to accept the payment and not take this government to court," Yongyuth said.

http://www.nationmul...-30182791.html#

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Quality reporting by The Nation (again )

Phayao Akkahad, mother of Kamolkate, the volunteer nurse who was fatally shot at Wat Pathumwannaram on May 19, 2010, initially refused to accept the payment yesterday morning, saying the contract did not allow those affected to take the case to court after they have taken the money.

However, Deputy Prime Minister Yongyuth Wichaidit managed to calm her down, saying that she was only signing a document recording her receipt of Bt7.75 million in compensation and that she could go ahead with criminal proceedings and that he would also help her with it.

"I talked to her and she agreed to accept the payment and not take this government to court," Yongyuth said.

3 Options of what really happened in order (my opinion);

1. Poor reporting from The Nation.ck goes to number 3

2. She is not going to take this (PTP) government to court but the incumbents of the other (Democrat Party Coalition Party) government, presumably in a Civil Court Action.

3. Yongyuth actually said one thing and then said the opposite.

My tick goes to number 3.

What is my prize?

[FOODLOVER]

Choosing three as well.

[OzMick]

Phayao Akkahad, mother of Kamolkate, the volunteer nurse who was fatally shot at Wat Pathumwannaram on May 19, 2010, initially refused to accept the payment yesterday morning, saying the contract did not allow those affected to take the case to court after they have taken the money.

However, Deputy Prime Minister Yongyuth Wichaidit managed to calm her down, saying that she was only signing a document recording her receipt of Bt7.75 million in compensation and that she could go ahead with criminal proceedings and that he would also help her with it.

"I talked to her and she agreed to accept the payment and not take this government to court," Yongyuth said.

http://www.nationmul...-30182791.html#

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Quality reporting by The Nation (again )

Phayao Akkahad, mother of Kamolkate, the volunteer nurse who was fatally shot at Wat Pathumwannaram on May 19, 2010, initially refused to accept the payment yesterday morning, saying the contract did not allow those affected to take the case to court after they have taken the money.

However, Deputy Prime Minister Yongyuth Wichaidit managed to calm her down, saying that she was only signing a document recording her receipt of Bt7.75 million in compensation and that she could go ahead with criminal proceedings and that he would also help her with it.

"I talked to her and she agreed to accept the payment and not take this government to court," Yongyuth said.

3 Options of what really happened in order (my opinion);

1. Poor reporting from The Nation.

2. She is not going to take this (PTP) government to court but the incumbents of the other (Democrat Party Coalition Party) government, presumably in a Civil Court Action.

3. Yongyuth actually said one thing and then said the opposite.

Crappy reporting or crappy reading? Who said "the contract did not allow those affected to take the case to court"? The mother. D'OH!