Red Leader Takes Dig At 'Egotistic' Thaksin

[GentlemanJim]

Another way to look at the Thaksin saga is to look at what is now happening in Chiang Mai. There are a couple of billionnaire families that control this city. They are all friendly with the Shianwatras. The moment the PTP 'won' this election, money from the government coffers started pouring into Chiang Mai. All the big players were in place: Land had been acquired for the development of shopping malls and moo baans; projects that had previously been on 'hold' burst back into life, a new ring road from Hang Dong to Mae Rim was announced: not surprisingly the Thaksinites has already acquired land along the route, thus doubling, tripling (and so on) the value of this land in no time. Its about money. And Thaksin's red shirt movement, for Thaksin at least, is about acquiring the support, through force and menace, to enable him to continue piling cash into his already overful bank accounts. Democracy was simply a useful word that would pull these red shirts into one movement behind him. Thaksin is not a democrat. His actions over the years have proved that time and time again. The majority of reds have no idea what democracy is. But there is a small movement that believe and understand democracy and I guess that these guys know what a scam the rest of the movement is. Another way to develop a movement is by finding a common enemy (in other countries it could be blacks, jews and so on( and in this case it was the 'elite'). This elite is actually the same people who have their snouts in the trough as being demonstrated in Chiang Mai even as you read this. As I see it the Democrat Party is composed, partly, of humanitarians, people who have education and understand the world a little bit more than the average red; it is comprised of academics, intellectuals and people in general who have jai dee. Abhisit had a rough time with some of his own people who had their fingers in the pie but he was well meaning, he held back when the reds were bent on tearing the capital city apart. He knew that the venom would be turned on him with the carefully orchestrated lies and deceit of that master of illusion who now lives in Dubai. But he stood his ground and held his head up high in spite of the pressue that he was under and the lies spread about him by Thaksin, Amsterdam and repeated by Jatuporn, Arissman and the other Kwais in there for the ride. Some posters here (not too many of them thank goodness) seem to ignore these simple truths and prefer to be dragged along by the fake democrat. But in all of these situations over history there have always been a small minority who prefer the notoriety of siding with the bad guys often at the expense of the poor and downtrodden. Lord Haw Haw in the UK is a great example. Sadly, Thai politics cannot change - at least not in my lifetime. Good governance could do so much for this country and the poor sods who still have to manage on 150 baht a day, if they can get work at all. If this was another country we could widen the debate a bit more but I believe that there were very powerful forces that intervened at some point to help save the country but sadly this was not to be and the battle will continue. 'Reconciliation', like 'democracy' is another buzz word designed to create a diversion from what is really happening. Some Thaksinites (here on TV) may be easily fooled by these illusions but thankfully I sense that on TV, at least, there is a body of good people, people who care about others, who truly understand this stuff. They are the kind of people who can make a difference in this world.

I think 'those' that you mention will now have gone scurrying off to other threads, waiting for a few more pages to appear on this thread before they come back and can pretend to ignore your post. Nice one!

[somtumlion]

"not cosying up to the elite" ? He is part of that elite <deleted>.

Go and buy Thailand Tatler to work out who the "real" elite are of this country. Thaksin is a nouveau riche upstart in most of the real "elite" eyes.

When you have been PM for 6 years, have billions of (insert any currency here), and have your sister and most family in the key positions of power in the country, you are no longer an "upstart" in anyone's book.

[somtumlion]

Another way to look at the Thaksin saga is to look at what is now happening in Chiang Mai. There are a couple of billionnaire families that control this city. They are all friendly with the Shianwatras. The moment the PTP 'won' this election, money from the government coffers started pouring into Chiang Mai. All the big players were in place: Land had been acquired for the development of shopping malls and moo baans; projects that had previously been on 'hold' burst back into life, a new ring road from Hang Dong to Mae Rim was announced: not surprisingly the Thaksinites has already acquired land along the route, thus doubling, tripling (and so on) the value of this land in no time. Its about money. And Thaksin's red shirt movement, for Thaksin at least, is about acquiring the support, through force and menace, to enable him to continue piling cash into his already overful bank accounts. Democracy was simply a useful word that would pull these red shirts into one movement behind him. Thaksin is not a democrat. His actions over the years have proved that time and time again. The majority of reds have no idea what democracy is. But there is a small movement that believe and understand democracy and I guess that these guys know what a scam the rest of the movement is. Another way to develop a movement is by finding a common enemy (in other countries it could be blacks, jews and so on( and in this case it was the 'elite'). This elite is actually the same people who have their snouts in the trough as being demonstrated in Chiang Mai even as you read this. As I see it the Democrat Party is composed, partly, of humanitarians, people who have education and understand the world a little bit more than the average red; it is comprised of academics, intellectuals and people in general who have jai dee. Abhisit had a rough time with some of his own people who had their fingers in the pie but he was well meaning, he held back when the reds were bent on tearing the capital city apart. He knew that the venom would be turned on him with the carefully orchestrated lies and deceit of that master of illusion who now lives in Dubai. But he stood his ground and held his head up high in spite of the pressue that he was under and the lies spread about him by Thaksin, Amsterdam and repeated by Jatuporn, Arissman and the other Kwais in there for the ride. Some posters here (not too many of them thank goodness) seem to ignore these simple truths and prefer to be dragged along by the fake democrat. But in all of these situations over history there have always been a small minority who prefer the notoriety of siding with the bad guys often at the expense of the poor and downtrodden. Lord Haw Haw in the UK is a great example. Sadly, Thai politics cannot change - at least not in my lifetime. Good governance could do so much for this country and the poor sods who still have to manage on 150 baht a day, if they can get work at all. If this was another country we could widen the debate a bit more but I believe that there were very powerful forces that intervened at some point to help save the country but sadly this was not to be and the battle will continue. 'Reconciliation', like 'democracy' is another buzz word designed to create a diversion from what is really happening. Some Thaksinites (here on TV) may be easily fooled by these illusions but thankfully I sense that on TV, at least, there is a body of good people, people who care about others, who truly understand this stuff. They are the kind of people who can make a difference in this world.

Hard to argue - imo

[scorecard]

Either this guy is totally full of s**t or he's deluded and clueless.

Sombat is merely reflecting the new views of many red shirts. They are finally seeing Thaksin has been using them all along. We know this time would eventually come. Congrats to Thailand!!

Finally??

There are segments of the UDD that wanted to see Thaksin imprisoned, dead or banished.

I've been saying this since the start; The Redshirts were a coalition of divergent views that were able to unite when there was a common "enemy". Now that the military junta and its puppet government under Abhisit was removed at the polls, the various factions have lost their common purpose. Some TVFers would be surprised by the animosity that some Redshirts have for Thaksin. The only reason they would not support the Democrats is because they felt that the Democrats were part of the problem and oblivious to the needs of the poor. It is much easier to stereotype the redshirts as ignorant rural folk, but there are many educated honest members, a great many of whom are opposed to corruption.

I think this is something that has been argued time and time again on TV. Abhsit's government was not a puppet ...... evidence disproved this ideological mistruth that the poster has used time and time again.

Or let's put it another way.

G'kid you very often demand that other posters produce proof.

Nows your chance to put up ot shut up - please provide clear evidence that the abhisit government was a puppet of the military.

But I guess, as usual you will ignore a post which doesn't fit your view of the world.

Edited May 25, 2012 by scorecard

[somtumlion]

Or let's put it another way.

G'kid you very often demand that other posters produce proof.

Nows your chance to put up ot shut up - please provide clear evidence that the abhisit government was a puppet of the military.

But I guess, as usual you will ignore a post which doesn't fit your view of the world.

, but

It is not necessary to state - certainly they were beholden to the military leadership. Its clear that the military nudged Newin in a certain direction, to anyone with brain. But after suffering through the truly awful governments of Samak and Somchai - Abhisits was a definite improvement.

[bigbamboo]

There is a clique of people who have been running this country for a long time, and Thaksin got onto the table as a relative new comer. While the Bunnags and the Vejjajivas were running all over the world or serving the country, Thaksin was just a speck in the eye of the future plans for Thailand. He rose fast, out of left field.

http://www.thailandt...00-list-2012/a/

Only one Shinawatra to be found? This is the list of people and families who think they run the country

Thaksin did not get in on this clique. He was born in to it by right of decent, through both blood and money. Thaksin is more elite than most of those people on that list and was the moment he was born because of who his family was. Lots of those people are just rich people or new money, Thaksin was rich and has blood decent from aristocracy of the royal family of Chiang Mai. He had a father who was an MP, and an uncle who was an MP and a cabinet member, and another uncle who mayor of Chiang Mai. This all automatically makes him more 'elite' than all but a few in Thailand. The opposition to Thaksin had nothing to do with him not being 'elite' enough, because he was as elite as almost anyone in the country. Certainly far more elite than most of the people who oppose him. People who say Thaksin was not part of the elite are simply wrong, spectacularly so.

Thaksin may be of Chinese decent but he was born into one of the richest families in Chiang Mai. That makes him elite. The fact he was a failed entrepreneur (often) before being able to use his official connections to vastly enrich himself makes him a dodgy parvenu businessman... that's not seen as elite.

He likes to portray himself as not being one of the elite in spite of owning his own private jet (how elite is that?) and he did introduce his own club card.... curiously enough called 'Elite'.

He is what the Thais want him to be.

Edited May 25, 2012 by bigbamboo

[scorecard]

Or let's put it another way.

G'kid you very often demand that other posters produce proof.

Nows your chance to put up ot shut up - please provide clear evidence that the abhisit government was a puppet of the military.

But I guess, as usual you will ignore a post which doesn't fit your view of the world.

, but

It is not necessary to state - certainly they were beholden to the military leadership. Its clear that the military nudged Newin in a certain direction, to anyone with brain. But after suffering through the truly awful governments of Samak and Somchai - Abhisits was a definite improvement.

So please share some details / reasoning why you say:

1. "certainly they were beholden to the military leadership".

2. " Its clear that the military nudged Newin".

[Skywalker69]

Another way to look at the Thaksin saga is to look at what is now happening in Chiang Mai. There are a couple of billionnaire families that control this city. They are all friendly with the Shianwatras. The moment the PTP 'won' this election, money from the government coffers started pouring into Chiang Mai. All the big players were in place: Land had been acquired for the development of shopping malls and moo baans; projects that had previously been on 'hold' burst back into life, a new ring road from Hang Dong to Mae Rim was announced: not surprisingly the Thaksinites has already acquired land along the route, thus doubling, tripling (and so on) the value of this land in no time. Its about money. And Thaksin's red shirt movement, for Thaksin at least, is about acquiring the support, through force and menace, to enable him to continue piling cash into his already overful bank accounts. Democracy was simply a useful word that would pull these red shirts into one movement behind him. Thaksin is not a democrat. His actions over the years have proved that time and time again. The majority of reds have no idea what democracy is. But there is a small movement that believe and understand democracy and I guess that these guys know what a scam the rest of the movement is. Another way to develop a movement is by finding a common enemy (in other countries it could be blacks, jews and so on( and in this case it was the 'elite'). This elite is actually the same people who have their snouts in the trough as being demonstrated in Chiang Mai even as you read this. As I see it the Democrat Party is composed, partly, of humanitarians, people who have education and understand the world a little bit more than the average red; it is comprised of academics, intellectuals and people in general who have jai dee. Abhisit had a rough time with some of his own people who had their fingers in the pie but he was well meaning, he held back when the reds were bent on tearing the capital city apart. He knew that the venom would be turned on him with the carefully orchestrated lies and deceit of that master of illusion who now lives in Dubai. But he stood his ground and held his head up high in spite of the pressue that he was under and the lies spread about him by Thaksin, Amsterdam and repeated by Jatuporn, Arissman and the other Kwais in there for the ride. Some posters here (not too many of them thank goodness) seem to ignore these simple truths and prefer to be dragged along by the fake democrat. But in all of these situations over history there have always been a small minority who prefer the notoriety of siding with the bad guys often at the expense of the poor and downtrodden. Lord Haw Haw in the UK is a great example. Sadly, Thai politics cannot change - at least not in my lifetime. Good governance could do so much for this country and the poor sods who still have to manage on 150 baht a day, if they can get work at all. If this was another country we could widen the debate a bit more but I believe that there were very powerful forces that intervened at some point to help save the country but sadly this was not to be and the battle will continue. 'Reconciliation', like 'democracy' is another buzz word designed to create a diversion from what is really happening. Some Thaksinites (here on TV) may be easily fooled by these illusions but thankfully I sense that on TV, at least, there is a body of good people, people who care about others, who truly understand this stuff. They are the kind of people who can make a difference in this world.

Good post, thanks . I wish you and your family a nice weekend.

[rubl]

Or let's put it another way.

G'kid you very often demand that other posters produce proof.

Nows your chance to put up ot shut up - please provide clear evidence that the abhisit government was a puppet of the military.

But I guess, as usual you will ignore a post which doesn't fit your view of the world.

, but

It is not necessary to state - certainly they were beholden to the military leadership. Its clear that the military nudged Newin in a certain direction, to anyone with brain. But after suffering through the truly awful governments of Samak and Somchai - Abhisits was a definite improvement.

So please share some details / reasoning why you say:

1. "certainly they were beholden to the military leadership".

2. " Its clear that the military nudged Newin".

MP and General Sonthi, the leader of the group executing the 2006 coup has written or is writing a book telling all. Unfortunately it will be published long after his death on his own request. In the mean time he's co-operating with the Pheu Thai led government and all for amnesty, so stop asking difficult questions

Edited May 25, 2012 by rubl

[letitbe]

The diehard members of the Thaksin Fan Club won't change their spots. Those who can see the bigger picture will. But its the diehards that can cause the most trouble. Thaksin and the other leaders know that the kwais are easily manipulated and they still (and will continue to do so) form a considerable army that can cause mayhem when and where they like and then use Thaksin and his PR people (such as that disgusting Robert Amsterdam) to rewrite history. Even Thaksin is not sure where he himself stands. 'I'm out of politics', 'Thaksin thinks ......' etc etc etc. Shifting sands. If you look at his contradictory statements over the years you can see he is an idiot and people like Amsterdam recognise this and simply pump him for all he's worth as he's a good earner for these guys.

As for democracy, Thai's have no idea what this word, or concept, means. The fundamental basis of Democracy is the rule of law. Without the rule of law, or respect for the law, there can be no democracy. Burning Bangkok, looting shops, accusing the Abhisit government of things about which they were not responsible, constant lies and corruption - even smaller things like all the reds I saw here in Chiang Mai riding their motorcycles without helmets whilst on their way to some rally, proves beyond any reasonable doubt that the reds are as far away from understanding democracy as you could possibly be. And that's the way Thaksin wants it to be. If only they understood .........................

The diehard members of the Thaksin Fan Club won't change their spots. Those who can see the bigger picture will. But its the diehards that can cause the most trouble. Thaksin and the other leaders know that the kwais are easily manipulated and they still (and will continue to do so) form a considerable army that can cause mayhem when and where they like and then use Thaksin and his PR people (such as that disgusting Robert Amsterdam) to rewrite history. Even Thaksin is not sure where he himself stands. 'I'm out of politics', 'Thaksin thinks ......' etc etc etc. Shifting sands. If you look at his contradictory statements over the years you can see he is an idiot and people like Amsterdam recognise this and simply pump him for all he's worth as he's a good earner for these guys.

As for democracy, Thai's have no idea what this word, or concept, means. The fundamental basis of Democracy is the rule of law. Without the rule of law, or respect for the law, there can be no democracy. Burning Bangkok, looting shops, accusing the Abhisit government of things about which they were not responsible, constant lies and corruption - even smaller things like all the reds I saw here in Chiang Mai riding their motorcycles without helmets whilst on their way to some rally, proves beyond any reasonable doubt that the reds are as far away from understanding democracy as you could possibly be. And that's the way Thaksin wants it to be. If only they understood .........................

dont hold your breath they never will or at least not in my lifetime or probably in lifetime of my much younger wife maybe in our children lifetime but to be fair so called democratic places like UK and USA are totally controlled by bankers and people of those counties are as controlled and unable to see obvious as much as thais here who love and voted for mr T

[Thai at Heart]

It was his actions that led to his downfall for a myriad of reasons. If he had played by the established rules, least of which, is don't pee on anyone else's established business, he would probably still be there.

You think he didn't already pee on other people's established businesses in his climb to the top?

His business got rained on when the telecoms got opened up under IMF rules. Prior to that it was AIS or nothing. Instantly phones went from 700% mark up to 50%. A phone that was costing 2500 baht in the rest of the world was costing 25000 here previously to the negotiation with the IMF and Orange were on Thailands doorstep in months.

He issued the first new banking license in 50 years to l&h bank. Now that is really threatening to pee on someone's very expensive shoes. Payback of a sort I guess

Edited May 25, 2012 by Thai at Heart

[bigbamboo]

It's ridiculous to suggest that Thaksin's family are having an influence on everyone like myself who lives in Shin Mai.

I mean Chiang Mai.

[Buchholz]

Red leader! LOL. He has been a critic of TS for a long time.

Just an opportunist trying to jump on the bandwagon.

Ah he is a fake Red Shirt, where have I heard that before?

No independent though will be tolerated, hey birdpooguava

Actually, for once, birdpooguava isn't far off.

Sombat is an opportunist. He's entirely marginalized within the Red Shirts and as said, has but a handful of his own direct followers.

Because he is independent in his viewpoints on a lot of issues away from the Red Shirt rhetoric, he is just barely tolerable by the other Red Shirts.

Although superficially, he comes across as rational and logical (and many of statements are just that), his anti-monarchy views are a non-starter for most Thais.

To call him a Red Leader is a misnomer... unless one qualifies it with, he's a Red Leader of 22 (or thereabouts) red shirts.

Also as said on the first page, he's tried to mold himself as someone with his own agenda. He does have it, but the 99% of other Red Shirts aren't buying any of it... and he provides little hope that the Red Shirts will progress to something more than what they are now.

It'd be great if they did, but they have a looooong way to go.

.

Edited May 25, 2012 by Buchholz

[volk666]

His business got rained on when the telecoms got opened up under IMF rules. Prior to that it was AIS or nothing. Instantly phones went from 700% mark up to 50%. A phone that was costing 2500 baht in the rest of the world was costing 25000 here previously to the negotiation with the IMF and Orange were on Thailands doorstep in months.

Pre 97 Shinawatra's AIS was the second fiddle to UCOM's Total Access Communications but AIS managed the crisis far better and emerged a winner. When the business opened to foreigners Telenor was the first on the market as Dtac, Orange came a few months later.

He issued the first new banking license in 50 years to l&h bank. Now that is really threatening to pee on someone's very expensive shoes. Payback of a sort I guess

Thaksin's shenanigans with banks were legen - wait for it - dary!

Following the same pattern as with telecoms but on a far larger scale foreign banks were suddenly everywhere in post crisis Thailand, snapping up failed Thai companies like there's no tomorrow. Just as with telecoms and limit on foreign ownership that came in Thaksin's later years, tomorrow arrived for the banks as well and all the foreigners were forced to leave. There are too many details to remember and post in this thread.

All said and done, however, the holy trinity of BBL, KBank and SCB could not be broken. TMB, bankrupt after the crisis but picked up by Thaksin's cronies, was a rising star threatening to become very very big player but after the coup the momentum kinda fizzled out, I wonder why...

[hellodolly]

Either this guy is totally full of s**t or he's deluded and clueless.

Sombat is merely reflecting the new views of many red shirts. They are finally seeing Thaksin has been using them all along. We know this time would eventually come. Congrats to Thailand!!

Finally??

There are segments of the UDD that wanted to see Thaksin imprisoned, dead or banished.

I've been saying this since the start; The Redshirts were a coalition of divergent views that were able to unite when there was a common "enemy". Now that the military junta and its puppet government under Abhisit was removed at the polls, the various factions have lost their common purpose. Some TVFers would be surprised by the animosity that some Redshirts have for Thaksin. The only reason they would not support the Democrats is because they felt that the Democrats were part of the problem and oblivious to the needs of the poor. It is much easier to stereotype the redshirts as ignorant rural folk, but there are many educated honest members, a great many of whom are opposed to corruption.

"It is much easier to stereotype the redshirts as ignorant rural folk, but there are many educated honest members, a great many of whom are opposed to corruption."

I bet that not a one of them was involved in the attempt to throw the Democrats out with illegal tactics in 2010.

An educated honest member would have turned his red shirt in at their actions.

Now a educated dishonest man would have been on the pay roll to urge the uneducated red shirts into their actions.

By the way good to see at least one red shirt admirer is still around.

[Skywalker69]

Perhaps Thaksin has a vision of dividing the country and making Chiang Mai the capital of his little banana republic.

With his own army of "Ronin warriors"

[volk666]

There are segments of the UDD that wanted to see Thaksin imprisoned, dead or banished.

So what? They supported PTP's rise to power to give total amnesty to Thaksin and they won't see their wants fulfilled ever.

So why did they join UDD? Definitely NOT to see Thaksin imprisoned, dead, or banished.

[hellodolly]

Perhaps Thaksin has a vision of dividing the country and making Chiang Mai the capital of his little banana republic.

With his own army of "Ronin warriors"

Never happen the best they could do was burn a fire engine up.

[theblether]

A trickle, becomes a stream, becomes a torrent........it only takes a few people to stand up and be counted before Taksins grip will be snapped forever. The longer he is in exile more and more people will start to realize that they can weild power in their own name.

[waza]

A trickle, becomes a stream, becomes a torrent........it only takes a few people to stand up and be counted before Taksins grip will be snapped forever. The longer he is in exile more and more people will start to realize that they can weild power in their own name.

It great to watch how Thaksin is increasingly being marginalised by his supporters. No longer is he in control of the wealth, but the factions now have control of the corruption. No longer does Thaskin make the decisions independantly while his hand puppet diverts attention through photo ops and sound bites. I see in the future Thaksin staying in Dubai with Lydia while the ex Pojaman runs the family business through the hand puppet.

[Dap]

"not cosying up to the elite" ? He is part of that elite <deleted>.

Actually, from what I gather, the elites hate his guts.. They don't consider him an "Elite", although he does consider himself one. Correct me if I'm wrong.

They think he rocks the boat too much and he doesn't send enough of the cream their way to put up with his waves.

[ginjag]

A trickle, becomes a stream, becomes a torrent........it only takes a few people to stand up and be counted before Taksins grip will be snapped forever. The longer he is in exile more and more people will start to realize that they can weild power in their own name.

It great to watch how Thaksin is increasingly being marginalised by his supporters. No longer is he in control of the wealth, but the factions now have control of the corruption. No longer does Thaskin make the decisions independantly while his hand puppet diverts attention through photo ops and sound bites. I see in the future Thaksin staying in Dubai with Lydia while the ex Pojaman runs the family business through the hand puppet.

Used to watch years ago ITV UK, programme Family fortunes, This lot reminds me of some of the families on there, Hilarious............bleeding gold digers no more no less.

[HaleySabai]

Wake-up and smell the Thai-coffee......

[waza]

I can understand the UDD feeling towards Thaksin's pervertion of their goals............

February 16th, 2010

We, the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) are determined to see Thailand become a nation where the principles of democracy, human rights, and equal justice are not only espoused but upheld.

In the coming months, we will launch a campaign aimed at uniting the Thai people in opposition to this junta and bringing about free and fair elections. This campaign is based upon 6 principles:

1) Achieving the goal of establishing a genuine democracy that has the King as our Head of State, with political power belonging exclusively to the people.

2) Dissolving the 2007 Constitution and restoring the 1997 Constitution, which may then be amended through a transparent, consultative and democratic process.

3) Bringing Thais together in an effort to solve our political and socio-economic problems, recognizing that such efforts must stem from the power of the people.

4) Implementing the rule of law, due process and a system of equal justice for all, free of any obstructions or double-standards.

5) Uniting all Thais who love democracy, equality, and equal justice within all facets of society, in an effort to deconstruct and move beyond the Amartyatippatai (Aristocracy) system.

6) Using exclusively non-violent means to achieve these objectives.

14 March..........

Days prior to the planned protest on 14 March, checkpoints were set up to inspect caravans of protesters arriving from outside provinces to Bangkok...........Abhisit informed the Democrat Party-led Bangkok Metropolitan Administration that he had intelligence of planned bomb attacks in at least two locations and grenade attacks in 30–40 locations in Bangkok. He claimed that the protesters would include 2,000 "well-trained hardliners...........

On 7 March, it was reported that 6,000 assault rifles and explosives had been stolen from Engineering Regiment 401, part of the 4th Army Engineering Battalion in Patthalung.^[41][42] Anonymous sources claimed that the weapons were moved to Bangkok where they would be used to incite unrest.........

On 9 March, the government decreed the Internal Security Act from 11 to 23 March.^[47][48] A 50,000-strong security force was deployed in Bangkok. Suthep and Abhisit announced that they were moving into an Army safe house at the Peace-keeping Operations Command during the duration of the ISA..............

As of Friday 12 March, police and military checkpoints were set up along all main routes leading to Bangkok to inspect protesters approaching the capital........

Five bombs exploded in Surat Thani, a Democrat Party stronghold, in the early morning of 12 March. Nobody was injured or killed. It was not clear who was behind the bombings. No arrests were made........

• 14 March 2010: Red-Shirts converge on Bangkok, hold first big rally, occupy government district. Participation below the one million expected people.
  
• 16 March 2010: Protesters splash their own blood at Government House
  
• 30 March 2010: A round of talks with the government ends in deadlock
  
• 3 April 2010: Red-Shirts occupy Bangkok shopping district
  
• 7 April 2010: PM Abhisit orders state of emergency
  

April 12, 2010 ...........

Troops try to clear protesters; 25 people are killed and hundreds injured

Thai soldiers and police fought pitched battles Saturday night with anti-government demonstrators in streets enveloped in tear gas, but troops later retreated and asked protesters to do the same. Eleven people were killed, including a Japanese journalist, and more than 500 wounded, according to hospital officials.

Edited July 30, 2012 by waza

[phiphidon]

I can understand the UDD feeling towards Thaksin's pervertion of their goals............

February 16th, 2010

We, the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) are determined to see Thailand become a nation where the principles of democracy, human rights, and equal justice are not only espoused but upheld.

In the coming months, we will launch a campaign aimed at uniting the Thai people in opposition to this junta and bringing about free and fair elections. This campaign is based upon 6 principles:

1) Achieving the goal of establishing a genuine democracy that has the King as our Head of State, with political power belonging exclusively to the people.

2) Dissolving the 2007 Constitution and restoring the 1997 Constitution, which may then be amended through a transparent, consultative and democratic process.

3) Bringing Thais together in an effort to solve our political and socio-economic problems, recognizing that such efforts must stem from the power of the people.

4) Implementing the rule of law, due process and a system of equal justice for all, free of any obstructions or double-standards.

5) Uniting all Thais who love democracy, equality, and equal justice within all facets of society, in an effort to deconstruct and move beyond the Amartyatippatai (Aristocracy) system.

6) Using exclusively non-violent means to achieve these objectives.

14 March..........

Days prior to the planned protest on 14 March, checkpoints were set up to inspect caravans of protesters arriving from outside provinces to Bangkok...........Abhisit informed the Democrat Party-led Bangkok Metropolitan Administration that he had intelligence of planned bomb attacks in at least two locations and grenade attacks in 30–40 locations in Bangkok. He claimed that the protesters would include 2,000 "well-trained hardliners...........

On 7 March, it was reported that 6,000 assault rifles and explosives had been stolen from Engineering Regiment 401, part of the 4th Army Engineering Battalion in Patthalung.^[41][42] Anonymous sources claimed that the weapons were moved to Bangkok where they would be used to incite unrest.........

On 9 March, the government decreed the Internal Security Act from 11 to 23 March.^[47][48] A 50,000-strong security force was deployed in Bangkok. Suthep and Abhisit announced that they were moving into an Army safe house at the Peace-keeping Operations Command during the duration of the ISA..............

As of Friday 12 March, police and military checkpoints were set up along all main routes leading to Bangkok to inspect protesters approaching the capital........

Five bombs exploded in Surat Thani, a Democrat Party stronghold, in the early morning of 12 March. Nobody was injured or killed. It was not clear who was behind the bombings. No arrests were made........

• 14 March 2010: Red-Shirts converge on Bangkok, hold first big rally, occupy government district. Participation below the one million expected people.
  
• 16 March 2010: Protesters splash their own blood at Government House
  
• 30 March 2010: A round of talks with the government ends in deadlock
  
• 3 April 2010: Red-Shirts occupy Bangkok shopping district
  
• 7 April 2010: PM Abhisit orders state of emergency
  

April 12, 2010 ...........

Troops try to clear protesters; 25 people are killed and hundreds injured

Thai soldiers and police fought pitched battles Saturday night with anti-government demonstrators in streets enveloped in tear gas, but troops later retreated and asked protesters to do the same. Eleven people were killed, including a Japanese journalist, and more than 500 wounded, according to hospital officials.

Waza, It is Monday 30th July 2012.

Can you tell me why you feel it necessary to post information that stops at the 12th April 2010, is readily available in the public domain and adds nothing to the thread , when the last post made in that thread was on 26th May 2012??

I could possibly understand it if it was new information but???

Is it because the OP is about Thaksin?

[Thai at Heart]

I can understand the UDD feeling towards Thaksin's pervertion of their goals............

February 16th, 2010

We, the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) are determined to see Thailand become a nation where the principles of democracy, human rights, and equal justice are not only espoused but upheld.

In the coming months, we will launch a campaign aimed at uniting the Thai people in opposition to this junta and bringing about free and fair elections. This campaign is based upon 6 principles:

1) Achieving the goal of establishing a genuine democracy that has the King as our Head of State, with political power belonging exclusively to the people.

2) Dissolving the 2007 Constitution and restoring the 1997 Constitution, which may then be amended through a transparent, consultative and democratic process.

3) Bringing Thais together in an effort to solve our political and socio-economic problems, recognizing that such efforts must stem from the power of the people.

4) Implementing the rule of law, due process and a system of equal justice for all, free of any obstructions or double-standards.

5) Uniting all Thais who love democracy, equality, and equal justice within all facets of society, in an effort to deconstruct and move beyond the Amartyatippatai (Aristocracy) system.

6) Using exclusively non-violent means to achieve these objectives.

14 March..........

Days prior to the planned protest on 14 March, checkpoints were set up to inspect caravans of protesters arriving from outside provinces to Bangkok...........Abhisit informed the Democrat Party-led Bangkok Metropolitan Administration that he had intelligence of planned bomb attacks in at least two locations and grenade attacks in 30–40 locations in Bangkok. He claimed that the protesters would include 2,000 "well-trained hardliners...........

On 7 March, it was reported that 6,000 assault rifles and explosives had been stolen from Engineering Regiment 401, part of the 4th Army Engineering Battalion in Patthalung.^[41][42] Anonymous sources claimed that the weapons were moved to Bangkok where they would be used to incite unrest.........

On 9 March, the government decreed the Internal Security Act from 11 to 23 March.^[47][48] A 50,000-strong security force was deployed in Bangkok. Suthep and Abhisit announced that they were moving into an Army safe house at the Peace-keeping Operations Command during the duration of the ISA..............

As of Friday 12 March, police and military checkpoints were set up along all main routes leading to Bangkok to inspect protesters approaching the capital........

Five bombs exploded in Surat Thani, a Democrat Party stronghold, in the early morning of 12 March. Nobody was injured or killed. It was not clear who was behind the bombings. No arrests were made........

• 14 March 2010: Red-Shirts converge on Bangkok, hold first big rally, occupy government district. Participation below the one million expected people.
  
• 16 March 2010: Protesters splash their own blood at Government House
  
• 30 March 2010: A round of talks with the government ends in deadlock
  
• 3 April 2010: Red-Shirts occupy Bangkok shopping district
  
• 7 April 2010: PM Abhisit orders state of emergency
  

April 12, 2010 ...........

Troops try to clear protesters; 25 people are killed and hundreds injured

Thai soldiers and police fought pitched battles Saturday night with anti-government demonstrators in streets enveloped in tear gas, but troops later retreated and asked protesters to do the same. Eleven people were killed, including a Japanese journalist, and more than 500 wounded, according to hospital officials.

If that is what they wrote as a manifesto, shame they didn't follow point number 6 closely enough.

[TwoDogz]

"No bullshitting she had norks this big...."

Please let this one stand mods! I promise it's the last. That's too good a joke to waste.

I love the word 'Norks'

[animatic]

I can understand the UDD feeling towards Thaksin's pervertion of their goals............

February 16th, 2010

We, the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) are determined to see Thailand become a nation where the principles of democracy, human rights, and equal justice are not only espoused but upheld.

In the coming months, we will launch a campaign aimed at uniting the Thai people in opposition to this junta and bringing about free and fair elections. This campaign is based upon 6 principles:

1) Achieving the goal of establishing a genuine democracy that has the King as our Head of State, with political power belonging exclusively to the people.

2) Dissolving the 2007 Constitution and restoring the 1997 Constitution, which may then be amended through a transparent, consultative and democratic process.

3) Bringing Thais together in an effort to solve our political and socio-economic problems, recognizing that such efforts must stem from the power of the people.

4) Implementing the rule of law, due process and a system of equal justice for all, free of any obstructions or double-standards.

5) Uniting all Thais who love democracy, equality, and equal justice within all facets of society, in an effort to deconstruct and move beyond the Amartyatippatai (Aristocracy) system.

6) Using exclusively non-violent means to achieve these objectives.

14 March..........

Days prior to the planned protest on 14 March, checkpoints were set up to inspect caravans of protesters arriving from outside provinces to Bangkok...........Abhisit informed the Democrat Party-led Bangkok Metropolitan Administration that he had intelligence of planned bomb attacks in at least two locations and grenade attacks in 30–40 locations in Bangkok. He claimed that the protesters would include 2,000 "well-trained hardliners...........

On 7 March, it was reported that 6,000 assault rifles and explosives had been stolen from Engineering Regiment 401, part of the 4th Army Engineering Battalion in Patthalung.^[41][42] Anonymous sources claimed that the weapons were moved to Bangkok where they would be used to incite unrest.........

On 9 March, the government decreed the Internal Security Act from 11 to 23 March.^[47][48] A 50,000-strong security force was deployed in Bangkok. Suthep and Abhisit announced that they were moving into an Army safe house at the Peace-keeping Operations Command during the duration of the ISA..............

As of Friday 12 March, police and military checkpoints were set up along all main routes leading to Bangkok to inspect protesters approaching the capital........

Five bombs exploded in Surat Thani, a Democrat Party stronghold, in the early morning of 12 March. Nobody was injured or killed. It was not clear who was behind the bombings. No arrests were made........

• 14 March 2010: Red-Shirts converge on Bangkok, hold first big rally, occupy government district. Participation below the one million expected people.
  
• 16 March 2010: Protesters splash their own blood at Government House
  
• 30 March 2010: A round of talks with the government ends in deadlock
  
• 3 April 2010: Red-Shirts occupy Bangkok shopping district
  
• 7 April 2010: PM Abhisit orders state of emergency
  

April 12, 2010 ...........

Troops try to clear protesters; 25 people are killed and hundreds injured

Thai soldiers and police fought pitched battles Saturday night with anti-government demonstrators in streets enveloped in tear gas, but troops later retreated and asked protesters to do the same. Eleven people were killed, including a Japanese journalist, and more than 500 wounded, according to hospital officials.

If that is what they wrote as a manifesto, shame they didn't follow point number 6 closely enough.

Indeed, that really is where they have gone so wrong for so long.

[animatic]

I can understand the UDD feeling towards Thaksin's pervertion of their goals............

February 16th, 2010

We, the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) are determined to see Thailand become a nation where the principles of democracy, human rights, and equal justice are not only espoused but upheld.

In the coming months, we will launch a campaign aimed at uniting the Thai people in opposition to this junta and bringing about free and fair elections. This campaign is based upon 6 principles:

1) Achieving the goal of establishing a genuine democracy that has the King as our Head of State, with political power belonging exclusively to the people.

2) Dissolving the 2007 Constitution and restoring the 1997 Constitution, which may then be amended through a transparent, consultative and democratic process.

3) Bringing Thais together in an effort to solve our political and socio-economic problems, recognizing that such efforts must stem from the power of the people.

4) Implementing the rule of law, due process and a system of equal justice for all, free of any obstructions or double-standards.

5) Uniting all Thais who love democracy, equality, and equal justice within all facets of society, in an effort to deconstruct and move beyond the Amartyatippatai (Aristocracy) system.

6) Using exclusively non-violent means to achieve these objectives.

14 March..........

Days prior to the planned protest on 14 March, checkpoints were set up to inspect caravans of protesters arriving from outside provinces to Bangkok...........Abhisit informed the Democrat Party-led Bangkok Metropolitan Administration that he had intelligence of planned bomb attacks in at least two locations and grenade attacks in 30–40 locations in Bangkok. He claimed that the protesters would include 2,000 "well-trained hardliners...........

On 7 March, it was reported that 6,000 assault rifles and explosives had been stolen from Engineering Regiment 401, part of the 4th Army Engineering Battalion in Patthalung.^[41][42] Anonymous sources claimed that the weapons were moved to Bangkok where they would be used to incite unrest.........

On 9 March, the government decreed the Internal Security Act from 11 to 23 March.^[47][48] A 50,000-strong security force was deployed in Bangkok. Suthep and Abhisit announced that they were moving into an Army safe house at the Peace-keeping Operations Command during the duration of the ISA..............

As of Friday 12 March, police and military checkpoints were set up along all main routes leading to Bangkok to inspect protesters approaching the capital........

Five bombs exploded in Surat Thani, a Democrat Party stronghold, in the early morning of 12 March. Nobody was injured or killed. It was not clear who was behind the bombings. No arrests were made........

• 14 March 2010: Red-Shirts converge on Bangkok, hold first big rally, occupy government district. Participation below the one million expected people.
  
• 16 March 2010: Protesters splash their own blood at Government House
  
• 30 March 2010: A round of talks with the government ends in deadlock
  
• 3 April 2010: Red-Shirts occupy Bangkok shopping district
  
• 7 April 2010: PM Abhisit orders state of emergency
  

April 12, 2010 ...........

Troops try to clear protesters; 25 people are killed and hundreds injured

Thai soldiers and police fought pitched battles Saturday night with anti-government demonstrators in streets enveloped in tear gas, but troops later retreated and asked protesters to do the same. Eleven people were killed, including a Japanese journalist, and more than 500 wounded, according to hospital officials.

Waza, It is Monday 30th July 2012.

Can you tell me why you feel it necessary to post information that stops at the 12th April 2010, is readily available in the public domain and adds nothing to the thread , when the last post made in that thread was on 26th May 2012??

I could possibly understand it if it was new information but???

Is it because the OP is about Thaksin?

No, the OP is about a red leader talking against Thaksin,

and the quotes are about Red Leadership and hypocracy.

No metter where the date stops Waza had already showed that hypocrisy,

without necessarily going farther ahead in time.

Attempted distracting tangent sublimated.

Edited July 31, 2012 by animatic

[Nickymaster]

Perhaps Thaksin has a vision of dividing the country and making Chiang Mai the capital of his little banana republic.

With his own army of "Ronin warriors"

I have always told my friends that Thailand will be 2 countries 1 day. I honestlty believe that Thaksin is considering this option.

Mod, am I allowed to say this?

Edited July 31, 2012 by Nickymaster