Video: Furore In Thai Parliament

[LuckyLew]

In what language this whole process is called "reconciliation"? And who actually believes this is what reconciliation looks like?

Thaksin

Thai

[Nisa]

What are the real odds / chance of this passing?

Are you joking? With Thaksin reportedly holding resignation letters from every PTP member?

Even if that is untrue, which PTP members (who hold a majority without coalition) are going to vote against a bill designed to whitewash the man who decides whether they get a party list or PTP endorsement?

Perhaps the red MPs will vote against a bill that might save them from a death sentence. Not bloody likely though, is it?

So you are saying it will without doubt pass?

[Buchholz]

If there's any brawling to do, Pheu Thai Party MP Karun is the one to call. I half-expected to see the Kung <deleted> Master coming off a top rope somewhere with a roundhouse kick at some point in the video.

The Nation - April 3, 2008

A government coalition MP decided to take things to a physical level yesterday by kicking an opposition member.

People Power Party member Karun Hosakul kung-<deleted> kicked Democrat Somkiart Pongpaiboon

Witnesses say Somkiart was eating with colleagues at the Parliament cafeteria when Karun entered and launched his ineffective attack. Karun then lashed out with a fist, but missed again. Then the pair got into a shouting match, with Somkiart on the end of heated abuse.

In fact, Karun got so worked up that he had to be restrained by police officers and other PPP members.

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and then later, a follow-up:

The Nation - May 10, 2008

People Power Party MP Karun Hosakul was yesterday asked to honour his promise to resign after he was found guilty of physical and verbal attacks against Democrat MP Somkiart Pongpaiboon inside Parliament on April 2.

A fact-finding report reached a unanimous decision concluding that Karun had assaulted Somkiart and used rude language, MP Vichet Panvichartkul said yesterday.

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He didn't resign as promised

< still pending litigation snipped >

epilogue:

He's still a Pheu Thai Party MP.

And if it gets really nasty, Democrat MP Khanchit Thabsuwan is pretty handy with a gun

< still pending litigation snipped >

The difference being Kung-&lt;deleted&gt; Karun was found guilty.

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Edited May 30, 2012 by Buchholz

[Buchholz]

Are they sure that's a clip from Parliament?

Similar footage was on Wrestlemania's Battle Royal.

As if what had happened was not enough, in an attempt to unseat the House Speaker by default, a woman Democrat MP dragged his empty chair outside the chamber, taking the symbolic seat of office out the door, nearly succeeding in preventing his returning to his chair to chair the meeting, but women Pheu Thai Party MPs latched onto the departing chair, seizing control and returning it to the chamber. Male MPs from both camps separated the women, and Parliament went into recess.

Ahhh... so they had a Wrestlemania Divas match also.

That would be some worthwhile footage.

Edited May 30, 2012 by Buchholz

[PingManDan]

Thailands PM's are just like a bunch of kids, this is one reason, why they'll never get their S_hit together in solving anything.

Push and shove tactics will remain until, both side come together again, and do out right battle in downtown BKK, Yellows against Reds, a real Cival War, the time is coming.

[mca]

There's a real juvenile part of me where, at 1.09 on the parliament video where they guy gives him a wai, I wish he'd followed it up by this at 0.13 onward complete with Thai translation.

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[/media] Edited May 30, 2012 by mca

[webfact]

House erupts in chaos over bills

THE NATION

Photo : Sakol Sandhiratne

BANGKOK: -- The worst chaos in the history of Thai Parliament took place yesterday during a House of Representatives meeting to discuss whether the bills of reconciliation should be moved up the agenda for today's debate.

Commotion began shortly after House Speaker Somsak Kiartsuranond, following three hours of heated debate, called for a vote to decide on whether deliberation on the bills should begin today, despite protests from opposition Democrat MPs who wanted the issue to be discussed further.

A group of Democrat MPs surrounded Somsak and tried to pull him out of his seat, while some started miming the Nazi salute in front of him. A confrontation ensued when a group of MPs from the ruling Pheu Thai Party came forward to protect Somsak, their party colleague.

Some 30 security officers gathered later to guard the Speaker, who had turned pale and was obviously shaken up after the 10-minute commotion. He then called for a 15-minute break.

During the break, Democrat MP Rangsima Rodrassamee tried to remove the chairman's chair, but was stopped by other female MPs of the ruling Pheu Thai Party.

Some witnesses said they saw Rangsima slap Pheu Thai MP Khattiyaa Sawasdiphol in the face during their tussle for the Speaker's seat. However, both women denied the report, though Rangsima later told the pro-Democrat Blue Sky Channel television station that her hand might have touched Khattiyaa's face during the tussle. However, Khattiyaa tweeted that she had not been slapped.

Following the chaos, the chairman decided to adjourn the House meeting until this morning, so there was no voting yesterday.

Four reconciliation bills have been submitted separately for parliamentary deliberation by General Sonthi Boonyaratglin, chairman of the House committee on national reconciliation, and three groups of Pheu Thai MPs, including those who are red-shirt leaders.

Senator Kamnoon Sitthisamarn said yesterday that it looked like Somsak was unable to control his meetings, as evidenced by last night's chaos.

"There's no faith left in him. It came to the lowest point for him," he said, adding that Somsak lacked flexibility when compared to his recent predecessors.

The Democrats plan to petition the Senate speaker today for impeachment of Somsak, who they accuse of being biased while performing his duty as meeting chair, party MP Satit Wongnongtaey said.

Earlier yesterday, government and opposition MPs were engaged in a heated exchange to support their stance on whether the debate on the reconciliation bills should or should not be moved up the agenda.

Democrat MPs booed when some Pheu Thai MPs spoke in support of an early debate of the bills, and at one point, Pheu Thai MP Pracha Prasopdee got so irritated with the booing that he started using expletives.

In an earlier development, the coalition whips yesterday decided to put the draft bill on reconciliation on the fast track, paving the way for today's debate on granting amnesty to those involved in political disturbances from 2005 to 2010, including fugitive former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra.

The whips' decision took place hours before the House convened its afternoon session to discuss the handling of the bill. The coalition appeared in defiance of the People's Alliance for Democracy, which led a rally yesterday to oppose the plan to grant amnesty.

-- The Nation 2012-05-31

[LuckyLew]

Please remember Thailand is a very young democracy only since around 1939, there is a lot to learn yet and a lot of old habits to get rid of. Countries take a bit of time to become mature. The european countries England and France have been at this a bit longer than thailand and along with the US they still donot always get it right on ocassion.

This country is not a democratic country

This country is going the wrong way

It is a 3rd world country and at the current

rate it will remain so for a long long time

[LuckyLew]

What are the real odds / chance of this passing?

IMO opinion ... it is a done deal .... he will be home soon

Those who have fought to keep him out better be on the

first plane to Dubai when he lands in Thailand ...

Those who oppose him in any way ... run ti the hills ..

run for your life ....

[Siripon]

I couldn't see any sign of Thaksin's new friend, General Sonthi, the man who proposed this bill to whitewash crimes, in Parliament yesterday.

Perhaps he's adopting the modus operandi of Yingluk- avoid any potentially difficult situation.

[MunterHunter]

those abhisit dem mps are really showing themselves as a bad and desperate bunch.

Worse then their yellow shirt street mob.

storming the speaker like a wild bunch of animals, what ever next?

Maybe they should illegally occupy part of bangkok, kick off a M79 campaign and burn down some buildings? Would that be a more accpetable form of Democracy for you?

[OzMick]

I scan the pictures in vain. Still no sign of the elusive Yingluk.

[somtumlion]

If there's any brawling to do, Pheu Thai Party MP Karun is the one to call. I half-expected to see the Kung &lt;deleted&gt; Master coming off a top rope somewhere with a roundhouse kick at some point in the video.

Text removed (too many quotes problem)

epilogue:

He's still a Pheu Thai Party MP.

.

And if it gets really nasty, Democrat MP Khanchit Thabsuwan is pretty handy with a gun

In addition to being indicted for the premeditated murder of local politician Udorn Kraiwatnusorn in Samut Sakhon last month Khanchit might face additional charges after he undergoes examination in relation to new DNA-related evidence that has been found

Pheu Thai spokesman Prompong Nopparit said an open letter would be sent to Democrat leader Abhisit Vejjajiva asking him to order Khanchit to cooperate with police and the Parliament s directive telling him to surrender.

He said police would still want to examine a handgun owned by Khanchit and his vehicle both of which he has not handed over to police.

http://www.nationmul...s-30173588.html

epilogue: He's still a Democrat MP......................

Congrats - both your chosen parties are full of scumbags - fly your flags high.

[gand]

Are they sure that's a clip from Parliament?

Similar footage was on Wrestlemania's Battle Royal.

As if what had happened was not enough, in an attempt to unseat the House Speaker by default, a woman Democrat MP dragged his empty chair outside the chamber, taking the symbolic seat of office out the door, nearly succeeding in preventing his returning to his chair to chair the meeting, but women Pheu Thai Party MPs latched onto the departing chair, seizing control and returning it to the chamber. Male MPs from both camps separated the women, and Parliament went into recess.

Ahhh... so they had a Wrestlemania Divas match also.

That would be some worthwhile footage.

Saved by the recess bell?

[OzMick]

Congrats - both your chosen parties are full of scumbags - fly your flags high.

I know it's a fine distinction but noteworthy that the Democrat scumbag proved himself to be such (allegedly) after he was elected. OTOH PTP scumbags proved themselves to be such before they were elected and it is a reasonable surmise some were selected for the party list only because they are scumbags.

It appears that this latter group may see the demise of PTP, as it seems that putting persons of ill-repute on the party list is a no-no under Thai electoral law. This seems strange to me as it seems to be the reason to have a party list - to get into parliament people who might otherwise be unelectable.

[animatic]

those abhisit dem mps are really showing themselves as a bad and desperate bunch.

Worse then their yellow shirt street mob.

storming the speaker like a wild bunch of animals, what ever next?

Maybe they should illegally occupy part of bangkok, kick off a M79 campaign and burn down some buildings? Would that be a more accpetable form of Democracy for you?

Resembles Taiwan and Seoul legislatures on assorted days,

but LESS VIOLENT.

[EyesWideOpen]

What could be funnier than a room full of kettles and pots, all shouting the other is black......

[kimamey]

those abhisit dem mps are really showing themselves as a bad and desperate bunch.

Worse then their yellow shirt street mob.

storming the speaker like a wild bunch of animals, what ever next?

True although I don't know enough about Thai politics to say if there was nothing else they could do. Would be a good time for Abhisit to show some leadership though.

[kimamey]

Please remember Thailand is a very young democracy only since around 1939, there is a lot to learn yet and a lot of old habits to get rid of. Countries take a bit of time to become mature. The european countries England and France have been at this a bit longer than thailand and along with the US they still donot always get it right on ocassion.

Credit where it's due though. They seem to have got the hang of making lots of money, buying big houses and driving around in Mercedes and BMWs. I expect they've nearly learnt how to use those iPads and iPhones the bought for themselves with taxpayers money.

[Thaddeus]

Except, this display isn't funny at all.

Edited May 31, 2012 by Thaddeus

[Thai at Heart]

At least they are fighting in the parliament instead of the streets

[Buchholz]

What are the real odds / chance of this passing?

Chulalongkorn University political scientist Thitinan Pongsudhirak says the bill is being pushed by the former army general who oversaw the 2006 coup, Sonthi Boonyaratglin.

“There is a clear effort now, a campaign by the Pheu Thai government and Thaksin through this bill supported and pushed by General Sonthi - the coup maker - to get through parliament and then to provide a channel for Thaksin to return home. (Thaksin) seems to think that now the environment is right,” Thitinan said.

http://www.voanews.com/content/thailand-protest-thaksin-amnesty/1145340.html

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[gand]

At least they are fighting in the parliament instead of the streets

That will change all too soon I am afraid.

[gand]

What are the real odds / chance of this passing?

Chulalongkorn University political scientist Thitinan Pongsudhirak says the bill is being pushed by the former army general who oversaw the 2006 coup, Sonthi Boonyaratglin.

“There is a clear effort now, a campaign by the Pheu Thai government and Thaksin through this bill supported and pushed by General Sonthi - the coup maker - to get through parliament and then to provide a channel for Thaksin to return home. (Thaksin) seems to think that now the environment is right,” Thitinan said.

http://www.voanews.c...ty/1145340.html

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And then civil war?

[slapout]

If the numerical advantage is stacked on one side, they might get into a free for all, but it does not appear that any group have the lop sided number they seem to favor, prior to getting physical. (4 or 5 to 1)

they will stand across the street from each other and do the verbal insult, stamping of feet, etc, until someone else can enter the picture and tilt them over the edge. History may just repeat itself.

[Bagwan]

Please remember Thailand is a very young democracy only since around 1939, there is a lot to learn yet and a lot of old habits to get rid of. Countries take a bit of time to become mature. The european countries England and France have been at this a bit longer than thailand and along with the US they still donot always get it right on ocassion.

70 years should have been more than enough. How long did it take Japan to adopt democracy? Or Germany to resurrect their version?

Wasn't Thailand declared a democracy in 1933? I doubt that the electorate voted for, or acquiessed to the Japanese being invited in amongst other things, so that has been 80 years living a lie.

The one sure result of violence is that the initiator of mayhem has lost the argument. Civilised people know this; apparently Thai MPs do not..

[carra]

This is all just a continuation from the 2006 coup, move along, nothing to see here, you reap what you sow etc etc etc

[Babcock]

This is all just a continuation from the 2006 coup, move along, nothing to see here, you reap what you sow etc etc etc

They are the party of

No change

The status quo

The old school tie

The old elites.

Amsterdam is right they are the party for the army.

Their illegal coup failed

Their refashioned coupist constitution is being challenged and they're throwing their toys out of the pram.

Nothing has been achieved and back we come to organized street protests outside parliament.

Let's hope this time the pad fascists don't

storm parliament

[gand]

TS refused to leave office, that sounds like a coup does it not? Removing somebody illegally holding office sounds like enforcing the law, not a coup.

[OzMick]

This is all just a continuation from the 2006 coup, move along, nothing to see here, you reap what you sow etc etc etc

They are the party of

No change

The status quo

The old school tie

The old elites.

Amsterdam is right they are the party for the army.

Their illegal coup failed

Their refashioned coupist constitution is being challenged and they're throwing their toys out of the pram.

Nothing has been achieved and back we come to organized street protests outside parliament.

Let's hope this time the pad fascists don't

storm parliament

If you think the worst that can come of this is PAD storming parliament, you are delusional.