kerryk Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 What I remember from those who wanted to oppose was FEAR. They were desperately afraid that if they said or did anything, they would end up like some of the people from 1992 - in a container at the bottom of the sea. Perhaps in hindsight Gen. Sonthi wouldn't have done the same things as some of his predecessors, but who could be sure? The RTA's actions at Tak Bai were firmly in people's minds as well. You make it sound like, "What I remember from those who wanted to oppose was FEAR" you were in the military headquarters listening. Is that so? Were you privy to what the brass was saying? Or did you just get to Thailand a few months ago and all of a sudden become an expert</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerryk Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 I'm in favour of another coup, help keep the tourists away. Good first post. Lets have a show of hands how many people from Western countries are in favor of assassination and military coups when the electorate does not vote the way you think they should? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airconsult Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 What I remember from those who wanted to oppose was FEAR. They were desperately afraid that if they said or did anything, they would end up like some of the people from 1992 - in a container at the bottom of the sea. Perhaps in hindsight Gen. Sonthi wouldn't have done the same things as some of his predecessors, but who could be sure? The RTA's actions at Tak Bai were firmly in people's minds as well. You make it sound like, "What I remember from those who wanted to oppose was FEAR" you were in the military headquarters listening. Is that so? Were you privy to what the brass was saying? Or did you just get to Thailand a few months ago and all of a sudden become an expert</p> Spoken like a hard-core member. Sorry Kerry, I have been here a number of years, and my rejoining date last year reflects my official retirement - far too busy before to bother spending much time in forums. However I certainly encourage you to use your skepticism. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosha Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 (edited) I quite enjoyed the last coup, it was great fun. My wife had some lovely photos taken of her atop a tank, all the friends and family I haven't spoken with for ages contacted me and Thailand just continued as normal. It kept the highway police off the roads down here. It was great. Edited June 19, 2012 by Mosha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerryk Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 What I remember from those who wanted to oppose was FEAR. They were desperately afraid that if they said or did anything, they would end up like some of the people from 1992 - in a container at the bottom of the sea. Perhaps in hindsight Gen. Sonthi wouldn't have done the same things as some of his predecessors, but who could be sure? The RTA's actions at Tak Bai were firmly in people's minds as well. You make it sound like, "What I remember from those who wanted to oppose was FEAR" you were in the military headquarters listening. Is that so? Were you privy to what the brass was saying? Or did you just get to Thailand a few months ago and all of a sudden become an expert</p> Spoken like a hard-core member. Sorry Kerry, I have been here a number of years, and my rejoining date last year reflects my official retirement - far too busy before to bother spending much time in forums. However I certainly encourage you to use your skepticism. Cheers I wouldn't expect you to answer the question. I guess your retirement also included your mind. You have lots of company on Thai Visa especially those who pontificate with no facts or experience to back up their pontifications. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carra Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 You wouldn't be nervous about a regime that executes it's opponents? "An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination". Voltaire But George Bernard Shaw said - "Assassination is the extreme form of censorship" Personally I'll take his opinion over Voltaire's on that thought. While assassination is not something I would normally advocate, any student of history with 20/20 hindsight must admit that there are occasions where the death of one man may have prolonged the lives of many, even millions. I applauded the 2006 coup because it was bloodless. After around 100 people have died to satisfy the aspirations of one man, i view the situation slightly differently. If there was anything to show that the Thais have benefited from the change in government those deaths helped to achieve, I might feel otherwise. they benefited by having democracy returned in the form of a democratic election Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 they benefited by having democracy returned in the form of a democratic election Was it worth 92 people dying for an election that they were going to get anyway? Sent from my shoe phone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlansford Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 - deleted - "An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination". Voltaire But George Bernard Shaw said - "Assassination is the extreme form of censorship" Personally I'll take his opinion over Voltaire's on that thought. While assassination is not something I would normally advocate, any student of history with 20/20 hindsight must admit that there are occasions where the death of one man may have prolonged the lives of many, even millions. I applauded the 2006 coup because it was bloodless. After around 100 people have died to satisfy the aspirations of one man, i view the situation slightly differently. If there was anything to show that the Thais have benefited from the change in government those deaths helped to achieve, I might feel otherwise. they benefited by having democracy returned in the form of a democratic election which was needed since the govt at the time was not elected. Will Thailand stay on this course again for another 15 years, or maybe longer? There are quite a few of people who don't like democracy. But as the OP states, coups don't solve problems. That is clear from 2006 - the country is still dealing with the Thaksin / military question 6 years on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gand Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Removing somebody(TS) illegally occupying the PM office is not a coup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerryk Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Removing somebody(TS) illegally occupying the PM office is not a coup. Can you list one reputable source for this assertion? There are 1,530,000 references to him being removed by illegal coup on the net. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCure Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Removing somebody(TS) illegally occupying the PM office is not a coup. What is truly illegal in a real democracy , are the countless military coups that have occured in this country over the last 40 years . Educate yourself and read a constitution before you spew out such legal nonsense . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gand Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Removing somebody(TS) illegally occupying the PM office is not a coup. What is truly illegal in a real democracy , are the countless military coups that have occured in this country over the last 40 years . Educate yourself and read a constitution before you spew out such legal nonsense . The 2010 spring riots were a failed coup attempt. 2006 was merely removing a PM that refused to vacate his position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moruya Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Removing somebody(TS) illegally occupying the PM office is not a coup. Can you list one reputable source for this assertion? There are 1,530,000 references to him being removed by illegal coup on the net. Thousands are out there. Seek and ye shall find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlansford Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Removing somebody(TS) illegally occupying the PM office is not a coup. Can you list one reputable source for this assertion? There are 1,530,000 references to him being removed by illegal coup on the net. Thousands are out there. Seek and ye shall find. True, but ... domain always seems to be http://thaivisa.com/.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siripon Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 There wasn't a coup at Black May, the coup was the previous year,1991 and it was bloodless The middle class of Bangkok welcomed the coup of 2006. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Removing somebody(TS) illegally occupying the PM office is not a coup. What is truly illegal in a real democracy , are the countless military coups that have occured in this country over the last 40 years . Educate yourself and read a constitution before you spew out such legal nonsense . Were the coups that occurred in the 40 years before that, legal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerryk Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Removing somebody(TS) illegally occupying the PM office is not a coup. What is truly illegal in a real democracy , are the countless military coups that have occured in this country over the last 40 years . Educate yourself and read a constitution before you spew out such legal nonsense . Were the coups that occurred in the 40 years before that, legal? The first one that I know of was in 1932. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Removing somebody(TS) illegally occupying the PM office is not a coup. What is truly illegal in a real democracy , are the countless military coups that have occured in this country over the last 40 years . Educate yourself and read a constitution before you spew out such legal nonsense . Were the coups that occurred in the 40 years before that, legal? The first one that I know of was in 1932. Tell "TheCure" that. I'm not sure if he forgot about the coups between 1932 and 1972 or whether he thinks that they were legal and the ones in the last 40 years weren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moruya Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 Removing somebody(TS) illegally occupying the PM office is not a coup. Can you list one reputable source for this assertion? There are 1,530,000 references to him being removed by illegal coup on the net. Thousands are out there. Seek and ye shall find. True, but ... domain always seems to be http://thaivisa.com/.... Try searching for Thaksin's resignation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerryk Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 Try searching for Thaksin's resignation The 2006 Thai coup d'état took place on Tuesday 19 September 2006, when the Royal Thai Army staged a coup d'état against the elected caretaker government of Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra. Above via Wiki is what the world thinks. Wiki is open to change. Why don't you tell them they are wrong? Of course every major newspaper in the world is also wrong. Maybe you should tell them too.Who is it now that thinks there was no coup? You and Gand? Who else? Step up and be counted boys.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moruya Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 Try searching for Thaksin's resignation The 2006 Thai coup d'鴡t took place on Tuesday 19 September 2006, when the Royal Thai Army staged a coup d'鴡t against the elected caretaker government of Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra. Above via Wiki is what the world thinks. Wiki is open to change. Why don't you tell them they are wrong? Of course every major newspaper in the world is also wrong. Maybe you should tell them too.Who is it now that thinks there was no coup? You and Gand? Who else? Step up and be counted boys.</p> The elections were null and void because of Thaksin's illegal antics. How can someone be "elected" as caretaker pm? Be sensible!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerryk Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 Try searching for Thaksin's resignation The 2006 Thai coup d'鴡t took place on Tuesday 19 September 2006, when the Royal Thai Army staged a coup d'鴡t against the elected caretaker government of Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra. Above via Wiki is what the world thinks. Wiki is open to change. Why don't you tell them they are wrong? Of course every major newspaper in the world is also wrong. Maybe you should tell them too.Who is it now that thinks there was no coup? You and Gand? Who else? Step up and be counted boys.</p> The elections were null and void because of Thaksin's illegal antics. How can someone be "elected" as caretaker pm? Be sensible!! Not me I of course believe you and Gand. It is Wiki, The London Times and every other legitimate media source in the world. Rush out and correct them. I believe you. You can do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moruya Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 Try searching for Thaksin's resignation The 2006 Thai coup d'鴡t took place on Tuesday 19 September 2006, when the Royal Thai Army staged a coup d'鴡t against the elected caretaker government of Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra. Above via Wiki is what the world thinks. Wiki is open to change. Why don't you tell them they are wrong? Of course every major newspaper in the world is also wrong. Maybe you should tell them too.Who is it now that thinks there was no coup? You and Gand? Who else? Step up and be counted boys.</p> The elections were null and void because of Thaksin's illegal antics. How can someone be "elected" as caretaker pm? Be sensible!! Not me I of course believe you and Gand. It is Wiki, The London Times and every other legitimate media source in the world. Rush out and correct them. I believe you. You can do it. How was Thaksin appointed at that time? The King had accepted his resignation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 Try searching for Thaksin's resignation The 2006 Thai coup d'état took place on Tuesday 19 September 2006, when the Royal Thai Army staged a coup d'état against the elected caretaker government of Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra. Above via Wiki is what the world thinks. Wiki is open to change. Why don't you tell them they are wrong? Of course every major newspaper in the world is also wrong. Maybe you should tell them too.Who is it now that thinks there was no coup? You and Gand? Who else? Step up and be counted boys.</p> How do you get an "elected caretaker government"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerryk Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 Try searching for Thaksin's resignation The 2006 Thai coup d'état took place on Tuesday 19 September 2006, when the Royal Thai Army staged a coup d'état against the elected caretaker government of Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra. Above via Wiki is what the world thinks. Wiki is open to change. Why don't you tell them they are wrong? Of course every major newspaper in the world is also wrong. Maybe you should tell them too.Who is it now that thinks there was no coup? You and Gand? Who else? Step up and be counted boys.</p> How do you get an "elected caretaker government"? Wiki is your friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 How do you get an "elected caretaker government"? Wiki is your friend. It doesn't seem to be your friend. All it talks about is how a "caretaker government" is appointed or set up, or is a provisional government when the government is dissolved (ie when an election is called) or collapses. There is nothing about a "caretaker government" being "elected". If you are talking about the wiki's reference to Thailand's "elected caretaker government" prior to the coup, that is simply incorrect. The Thaksin caretaker government came about when Thaksin dissolved parliament prior to the 2006 election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trompelemonde Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 How do you get an "elected caretaker government"? Wiki is your friend. It doesn't seem to be your friend. All it talks about is how a "caretaker government" is appointed or set up, or is a provisional government when the government is dissolved (ie when an election is called) or collapses. There is nothing about a "caretaker government" being "elected". If you are talking about the wiki's reference to Thailand's "elected caretaker government" prior to the coup, that is simply incorrect. The Thaksin caretaker government came about when Thaksin dissolved parliament prior to the 2006 election. The point is that Wikipedia ('The Free Encyclopedia) being open sourced can be edited by anyone with a computer. If they are wrong then you have recourse to change it - easy !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerryk Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 How do you get an "elected caretaker government"? Wiki is your friend. It doesn't seem to be your friend. All it talks about is how a "caretaker government" is appointed or set up, or is a provisional government when the government is dissolved (ie when an election is called) or collapses. There is nothing about a "caretaker government" being "elected". If you are talking about the wiki's reference to Thailand's "elected caretaker government" prior to the coup, that is simply incorrect. The Thaksin caretaker government came about when Thaksin dissolved parliament prior to the 2006 election. The point is that Wikipedia ('The Free Encyclopedia) being open sourced can be edited by anyone with a computer. If they are wrong then you have recourse to change it - easy !! Thank you for saying that. I know better then to attempt to explain something to a person who holds a 1% minority position from the rest of the world. Of course I am not saying he is wrong. If he is right change Wiki no big problem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 The point is that Wikipedia ('The Free Encyclopedia) being open sourced can be edited by anyone with a computer. If they are wrong then you have recourse to change it - easy !! Thank you for saying that. I know better then to attempt to explain something to a person who holds a 1% minority position from the rest of the world. Of course I am not saying he is wrong. If he is right change Wiki no big problem. Do you guys believe everything just because it's in wikipedia? That explains a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KireB Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 I am afraid that with all the nepotism and corruption 'coups' do actually solve part of the problem. A true peoples revolution, based on a dogma of faith rather than greed would indeed be able to eradicate the moral diseases of society! And be assured, this will happen one day as history seems to repeat itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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